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	Comments on: Jefferson Hawkins finishes off our series on Scientology ethics with a reprieve	</title>
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		By: Pier Paolo Caselli		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pier Paolo Caselli]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is my real experience with Scientology&#039;s ethic. Sorry for my english, I am an ex italian scientologyst. I put this shocking story with original documents (legal documents and a petition that I made in 1996 to come back in Scientology) in this site http://www.sistemasalute.eu/scientology-no-grazie/  You can understand how Scientology handle people. All documents are real and I wrote the petition inside my org, Verona Org.
Thank you for the attention]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my real experience with Scientology&#8217;s ethic. Sorry for my english, I am an ex italian scientologyst. I put this shocking story with original documents (legal documents and a petition that I made in 1996 to come back in Scientology) in this site <a href="http://www.sistemasalute.eu/scientology-no-grazie/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.sistemasalute.eu/scientology-no-grazie/</a>  You can understand how Scientology handle people. All documents are real and I wrote the petition inside my org, Verona Org.<br />
Thank you for the attention</p>
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		By: Eclipse-girl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eclipse-girl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2014 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-482229&quot;&gt;Ginger Sugerman&lt;/a&gt;.

TY]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-482229">Ginger Sugerman</a>.</p>
<p>TY</p>
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		By: Ginger Sugerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ginger Sugerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2014 18:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-475130&quot;&gt;Eclipse-girl&lt;/a&gt;.

:-) New one just came out....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-475130">Eclipse-girl</a>.</p>
<p>🙂 New one just came out&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Eclipse-girl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eclipse-girl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2014 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-474839&quot;&gt;Ginger Sugerman&lt;/a&gt;.

No problem.   I look forward to another installment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-474839">Ginger Sugerman</a>.</p>
<p>No problem.   I look forward to another installment.</p>
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		By: Ginger Sugerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ginger Sugerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2014 13:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-447020&quot;&gt;Shirley Eugeste&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah really !! lol]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-447020">Shirley Eugeste</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah really !! lol</p>
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		By: Ginger Sugerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ginger Sugerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2014 13:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-446959&quot;&gt;Eclipse-girl&lt;/a&gt;.

Your very welcome ! Should be another one coming out soon :-) Sorry for the late reply. I&#039;m still learning my way around Tony&#039;s site]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-446959">Eclipse-girl</a>.</p>
<p>Your very welcome ! Should be another one coming out soon 🙂 Sorry for the late reply. I&#8217;m still learning my way around Tony&#8217;s site</p>
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		By: Jane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2014 00:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-447175&quot;&gt;Jens TINGLEFF&lt;/a&gt;.

Read up on Kevin Hurley, the new Police Commissioner for Surrey.  theguardian.com/politics/2013/feb/14/hugh-muir-diary-hurley-epsom
surrey-pcc.gov.uk/about-your-pcc/    eg “I have never known a burglar to break into someone’s home when he is locked up” and in general rather anti restorative justice
wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Hurley = eg zero tolerance policing



Hurley&#039;s attitude to criminals is exactly that described in a CoS video I saw years ago about criminals and prisons in which it said that a criminal loses all claim to his human rights because of his criminal actions.


Also look at Met Police tactics which at times resemble bull baiting.  eg kettling.  And other odd behaviour like when the newspaper seller was clubbed and died.  It appears police officers are acting as if the general public are all potential criminals.  Also Hurley was part of the terrorism squad.  We&#039;ve seen increasing use of &#039;terrorism&#039; as an excuse for intrusive surveillance and detainment.  The CoS is obsessed by terrorists - remember that woman confessing to the River County panel that she persecuted anonOrange (I think it was him?) because she was told he was a terrorist.


On another tack, I had an interesting series of complaints against the police which I took all the way through the appeals process in which it became very difficult to avoid the conclusion that the police were lying extensively to protect individuals who were behaving in classic CoS fashion, as well as the CoS itself.  One of the complaints centred around a raid by 4 police on my 80 yr old mother&#039;s extremely isolated farmhouse at 11pm.  No warrant.  And the policeman who behaved most strangely in the event could not be identified by the police.  The photo of the person we were told it was looked nothing like my mother&#039;s description.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-447175">Jens TINGLEFF</a>.</p>
<p>Read up on Kevin Hurley, the new Police Commissioner for Surrey.  theguardian.com/politics/2013/feb/14/hugh-muir-diary-hurley-epsom<br />
surrey-pcc.gov.uk/about-your-pcc/    eg “I have never known a burglar to break into someone’s home when he is locked up” and in general rather anti restorative justice<br />
wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Hurley = eg zero tolerance policing</p>
<p>Hurley&#8217;s attitude to criminals is exactly that described in a CoS video I saw years ago about criminals and prisons in which it said that a criminal loses all claim to his human rights because of his criminal actions.</p>
<p>Also look at Met Police tactics which at times resemble bull baiting.  eg kettling.  And other odd behaviour like when the newspaper seller was clubbed and died.  It appears police officers are acting as if the general public are all potential criminals.  Also Hurley was part of the terrorism squad.  We&#8217;ve seen increasing use of &#8216;terrorism&#8217; as an excuse for intrusive surveillance and detainment.  The CoS is obsessed by terrorists &#8211; remember that woman confessing to the River County panel that she persecuted anonOrange (I think it was him?) because she was told he was a terrorist.</p>
<p>On another tack, I had an interesting series of complaints against the police which I took all the way through the appeals process in which it became very difficult to avoid the conclusion that the police were lying extensively to protect individuals who were behaving in classic CoS fashion, as well as the CoS itself.  One of the complaints centred around a raid by 4 police on my 80 yr old mother&#8217;s extremely isolated farmhouse at 11pm.  No warrant.  And the policeman who behaved most strangely in the event could not be identified by the police.  The photo of the person we were told it was looked nothing like my mother&#8217;s description.</p>
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		By: AintMizBahavin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AintMizBahavin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Feb 2014 08:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-447090&quot;&gt;Captain Howdy&lt;/a&gt;.

You keep saying we tried that  a few years ago.. BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED.  and there are many many more ex cos members now then it was back then... its actually really tiring to see you  and espiando or however its spelled do all you can to downplay and discourage the signing of this petition. just because YOU didnt succeed then doesnt mean we won&#039;t succeed now. so ok you dont want to sign it then don&#039;t but stop trying to discourage others from doing it... the discouragement you show is just the same as the discouragement cos has shown to those who no longer want to be a part of their torture movement.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-447090">Captain Howdy</a>.</p>
<p>You keep saying we tried that  a few years ago.. BUT TIMES HAVE CHANGED.  and there are many many more ex cos members now then it was back then&#8230; its actually really tiring to see you  and espiando or however its spelled do all you can to downplay and discourage the signing of this petition. just because YOU didnt succeed then doesnt mean we won&#8217;t succeed now. so ok you dont want to sign it then don&#8217;t but stop trying to discourage others from doing it&#8230; the discouragement you show is just the same as the discouragement cos has shown to those who no longer want to be a part of their torture movement&#8230;..</p>
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		By: Ginger Sugerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ginger Sugerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jan 2014 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-447020&quot;&gt;Shirley Eugeste&lt;/a&gt;.

Yea, very interesting way of operating in a business disguised as a religeon. Then they also have your bad deeds hanging over your head and the fear of them exposing them to others ! That builds a nice fear factor into you of leaving them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-447020">Shirley Eugeste</a>.</p>
<p>Yea, very interesting way of operating in a business disguised as a religeon. Then they also have your bad deeds hanging over your head and the fear of them exposing them to others ! That builds a nice fear factor into you of leaving them.</p>
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		By: Ginger Sugerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ginger Sugerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jan 2014 20:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-446959&quot;&gt;Eclipse-girl&lt;/a&gt;.

Awe shucks ! Your very welcome! More in the future !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/30/jefferson-hawkins-finishes-off-our-series-on-scientology-ethics-with-a-reprieve/comment-page-1/#comment-446959">Eclipse-girl</a>.</p>
<p>Awe shucks ! Your very welcome! More in the future !</p>
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