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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 01:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/24/scientology-wins-damages-from-french-court-but-its-not-the-victory-they-were-hoping-for/comment-page-1/#comment-444429&quot;&gt;Candygram&lt;/a&gt;.

Absolutely.. My children went to public school and one is a Professor in College.. and the other is going to be a math teacher.  They both had a great education.. 

Also Candy.. The teachers in Mont.. system were told not to comfort a child when they were physically or emotionally hurt. No smoothing away the Boo Boos.. 

Children were being trained to &quot; Buck Up.. &quot; and not in a healthy promoting independence way. 

I am a nurturer and when a child falls I will step up to the plate and say, &quot; Ouch, that hurt, huh? and comfort them in my own way.  

I would validate their hurt.. &quot; Gary hurt your feelings because you weren&#039;t asked to be on his team. Yeah, that would hurt my feelings too. But Kelly is our new student why don&#039;t you show her the ropes around here..You are so friendly. &quot; 

For them.. it is &quot; IGNORE &quot;  .. Let the kid figure it out for themselves. I remember a child crying and the teacher said.. &quot; You know what our rule is &quot; FIGURE IT OUT..&quot; 

It just saddened me.  I wouldn&#039;t baby them in a fetal position, but I would attempt to either divert or listen to them ..I wanted them to feel safe in my presence.]]></description>
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<p>Absolutely.. My children went to public school and one is a Professor in College.. and the other is going to be a math teacher.  They both had a great education.. </p>
<p>Also Candy.. The teachers in Mont.. system were told not to comfort a child when they were physically or emotionally hurt. No smoothing away the Boo Boos.. </p>
<p>Children were being trained to &#8221; Buck Up.. &#8221; and not in a healthy promoting independence way. </p>
<p>I am a nurturer and when a child falls I will step up to the plate and say, &#8221; Ouch, that hurt, huh? and comfort them in my own way.  </p>
<p>I would validate their hurt.. &#8221; Gary hurt your feelings because you weren&#8217;t asked to be on his team. Yeah, that would hurt my feelings too. But Kelly is our new student why don&#8217;t you show her the ropes around here..You are so friendly. &#8221; </p>
<p>For them.. it is &#8221; IGNORE &#8221;  .. Let the kid figure it out for themselves. I remember a child crying and the teacher said.. &#8221; You know what our rule is &#8221; FIGURE IT OUT..&#8221; </p>
<p>It just saddened me.  I wouldn&#8217;t baby them in a fetal position, but I would attempt to either divert or listen to them ..I wanted them to feel safe in my presence.</p>
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		By: Candygram		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2014 00:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/24/scientology-wins-damages-from-french-court-but-its-not-the-victory-they-were-hoping-for/comment-page-1/#comment-443472&quot;&gt;Baby&lt;/a&gt;.

Baby: Thank you so much for your observations about that method/environment. It&#039;s as I feared. Thankfully (or not) it also looks like there are more learning models being shopped around these days. I&#039;m curious to see what the options are but am more of the same mind as you: that structure and organization can be a good thing... for both fun and learning.]]></description>
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<p>Baby: Thank you so much for your observations about that method/environment. It&#8217;s as I feared. Thankfully (or not) it also looks like there are more learning models being shopped around these days. I&#8217;m curious to see what the options are but am more of the same mind as you: that structure and organization can be a good thing&#8230; for both fun and learning.</p>
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		By: MaxSpaceman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/24/scientology-wins-damages-from-french-court-but-its-not-the-victory-they-were-hoping-for/comment-page-1/#comment-443922&quot;&gt;Sydjazz&lt;/a&gt;.

d/k]]></description>
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<p>d/k</p>
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		By: Sydjazz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sydjazz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/24/scientology-wins-damages-from-french-court-but-its-not-the-victory-they-were-hoping-for/comment-page-1/#comment-441703&quot;&gt;MaxSpaceman&lt;/a&gt;.

Is $300 commision a normal fee?]]></description>
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<p>Is $300 commision a normal fee?</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 22:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/24/scientology-wins-damages-from-french-court-but-its-not-the-victory-they-were-hoping-for/comment-page-1/#comment-442512&quot;&gt;Candygram&lt;/a&gt;.

As a former teacher.. Montessori.. ugh.. Seriously.. 

I observed one for a week.. They had bunk beds and the concept was that the kids were to read quietly on the top and bottom beds.. to  &quot; Relax &quot; while reading.. 

All I saw were kids jumping from the top bunk to the Bean Bag chairs below.. Teachers didn&#039;t want to &quot; Damper &quot; their play by insisting that they do school work.. 

Also learning centers ( Card tables) everywhere and they had to do work at the tables to proceed to the next.. OK cool concept..

In reality kids would say to each other.. &quot; The answer on Table 4 is 37..&quot;  all around the room.. .. Just a joke.. I would NEVER recommend a Montessori school for anyone. 

You can make structure and organization fun..and learning  happens.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/24/scientology-wins-damages-from-french-court-but-its-not-the-victory-they-were-hoping-for/comment-page-1/#comment-442512">Candygram</a>.</p>
<p>As a former teacher.. Montessori.. ugh.. Seriously.. </p>
<p>I observed one for a week.. They had bunk beds and the concept was that the kids were to read quietly on the top and bottom beds.. to  &#8221; Relax &#8221; while reading.. </p>
<p>All I saw were kids jumping from the top bunk to the Bean Bag chairs below.. Teachers didn&#8217;t want to &#8221; Damper &#8221; their play by insisting that they do school work.. </p>
<p>Also learning centers ( Card tables) everywhere and they had to do work at the tables to proceed to the next.. OK cool concept..</p>
<p>In reality kids would say to each other.. &#8221; The answer on Table 4 is 37..&#8221;  all around the room.. .. Just a joke.. I would NEVER recommend a Montessori school for anyone. </p>
<p>You can make structure and organization fun..and learning  happens.</p>
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		By: Baby		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Baby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/24/scientology-wins-damages-from-french-court-but-its-not-the-victory-they-were-hoping-for/comment-page-1/#comment-442534&quot;&gt;Candygram&lt;/a&gt;.

hahhaha.. Yep.. and I thought I was just being clean..haha]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/24/scientology-wins-damages-from-french-court-but-its-not-the-victory-they-were-hoping-for/comment-page-1/#comment-442534">Candygram</a>.</p>
<p>hahhaha.. Yep.. and I thought I was just being clean..haha</p>
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		By: Cat Daddy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cat Daddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/24/scientology-wins-damages-from-french-court-but-its-not-the-victory-they-were-hoping-for/comment-page-1/#comment-441891&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

Chuck it is the onley snippet avalaible, needs more vetting like you say the stealing of StudyTech by LRH from the Brennans]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/24/scientology-wins-damages-from-french-court-but-its-not-the-victory-they-were-hoping-for/comment-page-1/#comment-441891">chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03</a>.</p>
<p>Chuck it is the onley snippet avalaible, needs more vetting like you say the stealing of StudyTech by LRH from the Brennans</p>
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		By: Candygram		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Candygram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 04:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/24/scientology-wins-damages-from-french-court-but-its-not-the-victory-they-were-hoping-for/comment-page-1/#comment-442519&quot;&gt;Missionary Kid&lt;/a&gt;.

yeah, i see your point. Thanks MissionaryKid. it would be kind of fun to see her and SO square off. sorta like a slacker Modern Times, where the charlie chaplin character thought bubbles are all about how SO needs to get in touch with the universe and let him/her work according to his/her own undelimited clock. Like Metropolis in reverse. Oh wait. Maybe just Metropolis, but with more slapstick and more annoying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/24/scientology-wins-damages-from-french-court-but-its-not-the-victory-they-were-hoping-for/comment-page-1/#comment-442519">Missionary Kid</a>.</p>
<p>yeah, i see your point. Thanks MissionaryKid. it would be kind of fun to see her and SO square off. sorta like a slacker Modern Times, where the charlie chaplin character thought bubbles are all about how SO needs to get in touch with the universe and let him/her work according to his/her own undelimited clock. Like Metropolis in reverse. Oh wait. Maybe just Metropolis, but with more slapstick and more annoying.</p>
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		By: Candygram		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Candygram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 04:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/24/scientology-wins-damages-from-french-court-but-its-not-the-victory-they-were-hoping-for/comment-page-1/#comment-442484&quot;&gt;Baby&lt;/a&gt;.

gross. reminds me of a friend. i love him, but i&#039;m not down with the finger shoveling, non-showering thing. again, i&#039;m not especially pristine or picky... but i guess i buy into more americanisms than i think...]]></description>
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<p>gross. reminds me of a friend. i love him, but i&#8217;m not down with the finger shoveling, non-showering thing. again, i&#8217;m not especially pristine or picky&#8230; but i guess i buy into more americanisms than i think&#8230;</p>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 04:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/24/scientology-wins-damages-from-french-court-but-its-not-the-victory-they-were-hoping-for/comment-page-1/#comment-442499&quot;&gt;Candygram&lt;/a&gt;.

The problem is, she doesn&#039;t take orders very well.  That&#039;s a big no-no for Clamland.  Her self-centeredness fits, but she doesn&#039;t want to be a worker bee, which makes her a liability in their eyes.  I think she&#039;d try to gold-brick and do things on her own schedule.   They&#039;d show her the door in a heartbeat.  If she doesn&#039;t produce income, she won&#039;t be ethical.  :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/24/scientology-wins-damages-from-french-court-but-its-not-the-victory-they-were-hoping-for/comment-page-1/#comment-442499">Candygram</a>.</p>
<p>The problem is, she doesn&#8217;t take orders very well.  That&#8217;s a big no-no for Clamland.  Her self-centeredness fits, but she doesn&#8217;t want to be a worker bee, which makes her a liability in their eyes.  I think she&#8217;d try to gold-brick and do things on her own schedule.   They&#8217;d show her the door in a heartbeat.  If she doesn&#8217;t produce income, she won&#8217;t be ethical.  🙂</p>
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