Comments on: Jeff Hawkins on Scientology’s brand of court martial — the ‘Comm Ev’

By: nottrue

nottrue — Fri, 14 Feb 2014 01:19:00 +0000

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By: MaxSpaceman

MaxSpaceman — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:48:00 +0000

In reply to Cece. Beautiful!! Hope to read your adventure one day ! Best of good luck ~

By: AintMizBahavin

AintMizBahavin — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 07:35:00 +0000

i hope no one takes offense to this. for those who know of me you know offense is the last thing on my mind… nor am i a troll. im a never in who hates cos because its the biggest bully in the world. with the militant midget at its helm. with that said. i have a question….. once again please do not take offense. but i have wondered why no one questioned the money aspect of lyingtology.. by money aspect i mean if we were dropped off here by aliens millions of years back. and evolved or whatever lie lrh told. why did it never cross anyones mind to question why he needed to be rich while keeping them poor? i’ve read many stories here , on operation clambake, and other sites about the fund raising, about the harassment to take these courses, about how they have forced people to take out loans, mortgages, etc to give to give to lrh. again dont get me wrong i understand we are all looking for something to make sense to us to give a meaning to our life. and i do not judge any of you. im actually proud to know of such intelligent, strong, funny,and awesome people like all of you and that is what makes me ask the question why some would go into bankruptcy to lose everything they worked their lives for to give to a lying, pathetic, closeted homosexual like lrh? why would he be allowed to separate you from not only your money, but your family and friends ? i also wonder why no red flags went up when he wanted to know everything about your private, lives. and to be honest it astounds me that people would tell these strangers their most deepest, damning secrets with no qualms. with no thought as to wonder why is that necessary to my spiritual growth? lrh took parts from the book of enoch which was removed from all bibles along with quite a few other books, he also took pieces of history that was altered by nefarious polietrickers and fanatical priests along with some parts from the military, and other parts just made up.

the reason i wonder is because i always assumed that when it came to religion and spirituality we were all looking for love, peace, joy, and happiness. but nothing about lyingtology espouses any of those emotions, thoughts or feelings. and i also wonder why a few hundred of all of you didnt get together and whoop lrh and the militant midget back into their daddies sperm cells…especially once the truth began to come out…. cos would have no need of sp, or to do any of the illegal crap they did. if they were legitimate they wouldnt care if anyone decided to leave nor what they had to say, if they were doing right.

just some thoughts that run thru my mind from time to time….

By: Lady Squash

Lady Squash — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 07:08:00 +0000

In reply to Betsy.

“That check-and-balance isn’t even a pretense in what I am reading about here.” You are correct Betsy. There are no checks and balances. The whole thing is such a joke, a cruel joke actually. Knowledge reports are supposed to be “just the facts” and are supposed to be based on SCN ethics code violations. But the Ethics Codes are often vague and open to interpretation and the KRs are most often a “he said, she said” matter. It’s a sham, a pretend justice system, just like it is a pretend religion and LRH had a pretend past. It’s all smoke and mirrors.

By: Lady Squash

Lady Squash — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 06:54:00 +0000

I am not sure I want to revisit the occasion of my comm-ev but here goes. I was at the time a true believer and was devastated by the Findings. None of it made any sense to me. The Convening Authority was the ED of the Org who had it out for me because I was asking too many questions and making waves. The “evidence” was a very untruthful KR that she had written on me and a Cram (study correction order) written on me when I was first on staff. There was no crime other than being a rabble rouser and no evidence and I was nonetheless found guilty. I was devastated. I felt my peers whom I liked very much had turned on me. I also understood that they had no choice. It was a horrible time in my life and was the beginning of the end.

By: Cece

Cece — Sun, 26 Jan 2014 02:39:00 +0000

In reply to MaxSpaceman. Max interesting you would say that. My brother showed up today completely surprised me from Sitka Alaska to Acton CA! His wife is an English teacher and she spent a lot of time talking me into writing a book. She will edit for me. I want it to be an adventure story. I don't want to do it for money but maybe, just maybe my 2 kids who think I'm an SP will read it. Even if one person read it and learned from it it will be worth it. So I have that duty. Thank you for your encouragement..

By: DeElizabethan

DeElizabethan — Sat, 25 Jan 2014 04:05:00 +0000

In reply to BeenThereDoneThat. Thanks for sharing. I too am glad now that we now see and with Amazing Brace to. So be it!

By: BeenThereDoneThat

BeenThereDoneThat — Sat, 25 Jan 2014 03:48:00 +0000

Comm Ev = Kangaroo Court….. great description!
Having been on the giving and receiving side of these, Jeff does a good job of analytically describing how these crazy things work. One thing I’d add – these are typically done “after hours”, meaning after a very long day. Though they are taken very seriously, all involved are very tired and frustrated about having to participate as opposed to getting some sleep. Also a lot of times justice is handed down from “on high” such as an immediate RPF assignment, then a Comm Ev is convened to justify the assignment. That was how things use to be, I’m not sure DM even participates in the charade anymore. Jeff’s point about the “Convening Authority” having the final say once it is CSW’ed up lines is how I became part of the SP club. Hubbard didn’t agree the findings and tersely fired back that I should be offloaded and declared immediately, not RPF’ed. All I can say is…. thank you!!- I was blind, but now I see….Amazing Grace!

By: chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03 — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 23:59:00 +0000

In reply to Simi Valley.

I worked in Senior HCO Int for 5 years, and at Senior HCO Int, we/I was assigned numerous “Review Committees of Evidence” and “Boards of Review”.

I was chairman on these, and was expert in resolving people’s messed up ethics scenes.

The only loophole to use, is a Hubbard loophole, and one has to basically kiss ass to the abusive system, and at the same time compile up a list of your contributions in the past, and do this in practically a saintly neutral manner, and not show any iota of anger towards the idiots who can’t see you were right all along, if you were.

You have to let all the messed up incompetence of the idiots in the Sea Org and staff execs who are “stable terminals” who have incompetently dealt with you, you have to just be saintly with them.

And you have to show piles of your past actions, and do so without making the idiots look like idiots in any way at all.

And you have to admit where you did wrong, also in a saintly fashion, without showing any “make wrong” of the idiots and be simple and clear, not be confusing, and be sincere in what you admit you did wrong.

But you have to show all the good you’ve done, and pile up all the years of good you did.

Because the bottom line will be if the good you did outweighs even the “bad” the idiots think or even can prove and which you admit you did.

The LRH bottom line quote about justice, is the one loophole that worked, I walked a number of people through using this loophole, but the downside of using this loophole successfully is that it gets you back in good standing and back into the group, and you are better off being OUT of the group!

Winning against the Scientology/Hubbard injustice system, is a loss to you. It’s best that you lose to the system and get the heck out!

The loophole is that it’s pretty easy to show that your worth, your contributions to Scientology, have NOT been taken into account, have not been weighed, in your favor. Hubbard says that if your worth isn’t weighed, even if you are proven guilty of the ethics offenses, then that’s not justice.

The Board of Review criteria include one point saying if a justice action was “off policy” then it can be overturned.

How I helped people overturn their unjust Scientology experiences was this Board of Review criteria loophole, and the policy quote from Hubbard on it being required to take into account the person’s worth.

Of course, when people are unjustly wrongly tagged “bad” by Hubbard’s system, they are in fact not having their worth weighed properly.

But again, it’s best to lose to the Hubbard system, and get the heck out of it!

By: Skip Press

Skip Press — Fri, 24 Jan 2014 23:23:00 +0000

In reply to El Con Blubbard. Good lord, El Con, how did you miss it? It's to put the person at "slight mental pause."