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	Comments on: &#8216;The Factors&#8217;: Another video the Church of Scientology would rather you not watch	</title>
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		By: Ginger Sugerman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ginger Sugerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Feb 2014 13:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/17/the-factors-another-video-the-church-of-scientology-would-rather-you-not-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-431369&quot;&gt;NOLAGirl&lt;/a&gt;.

Me either !]]></description>
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<p>Me either !</p>
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		By: George Diaz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Diaz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Feb 2014 01:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/17/the-factors-another-video-the-church-of-scientology-would-rather-you-not-watch/comment-page-2/#comment-432644&quot;&gt;Carisa Marion&lt;/a&gt;.

You can admire the Universe for as long as you or &quot;it takes&quot; as they say in $cientology and it&#039;s never going to go BOOM. It&#039;ll still be here. That&#039;s how LRH hooks you, yes. That&#039;s how he ensnared so many seekers after truth. But it&#039;s all mumbo-jumbo gobbledygook. It&#039;s all &quot;Woo-woo&quot;. None of it is true. It&#039;s only true for those seeking after mysticism, or &quot;mystical truth&quot; which LRH hid as being &quot;scientific&quot;; which it obviously isn&#039;t. It&#039;s all hogwash. That&#039;s my opinion. Show me something from that video that you think was &quot;true&quot;. That was scientifically true. None of the &quot;true for you&quot; stuff but actually TRUE. The &quot;what is true is what is true for you&quot; need not apply. Again, that&#039;s my opinion, Carisa. This is not a personal attack. I want to emphasize that, so there&#039;s no misunderstanding. I&#039;m willing to look at what you think might be true. Peace!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/17/the-factors-another-video-the-church-of-scientology-would-rather-you-not-watch/comment-page-2/#comment-432644">Carisa Marion</a>.</p>
<p>You can admire the Universe for as long as you or &#8220;it takes&#8221; as they say in $cientology and it&#8217;s never going to go BOOM. It&#8217;ll still be here. That&#8217;s how LRH hooks you, yes. That&#8217;s how he ensnared so many seekers after truth. But it&#8217;s all mumbo-jumbo gobbledygook. It&#8217;s all &#8220;Woo-woo&#8221;. None of it is true. It&#8217;s only true for those seeking after mysticism, or &#8220;mystical truth&#8221; which LRH hid as being &#8220;scientific&#8221;; which it obviously isn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s all hogwash. That&#8217;s my opinion. Show me something from that video that you think was &#8220;true&#8221;. That was scientifically true. None of the &#8220;true for you&#8221; stuff but actually TRUE. The &#8220;what is true is what is true for you&#8221; need not apply. Again, that&#8217;s my opinion, Carisa. This is not a personal attack. I want to emphasize that, so there&#8217;s no misunderstanding. I&#8217;m willing to look at what you think might be true. Peace!</p>
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		By: DMSTCC		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2014 02:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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8-8008 The Factors

Now, everybody knows we&#039;ve got to accept what&#039;s real. Only, they&#039;ve never bothered to tell anybody what was real. Well, that&#039;s a dirty trick, isn&#039;t it. They go around, they say, &quot;Now, what you have to do is accept reality, you&#039;re not facing reality. That&#039;s a totally [???] that&#039;s why we&#039;re going to give you electric shocks and pre-fontal lobotomy and fix you up, bud! [laughs]. That is what&#039;s gonna happen to you. [When?] you all face reality, well God help any of those people who ever made that remark to some patient. If the patient then suddenly looked at them said, alright I&#039;m perfectly willing to accept reality. Now, please tell me what it is. [(laughs)] You would have had a dead psychiatrist in 48 hours. (laughs) It&#039;s a fact. It would have been that grim. Because nobody had defined reality except in physical sciences. And they defined it in a way that had nothing what so ever to do with thought. And then the people that worked in thought said very carefully; that has no bearing on thought. Physical science has no bearing on thought. Everybody knows it&#039;s a kind of energy, has no relationship with this kind of energy. Hide the data quick!!! Somebody&#039;s libel to find out and then we&#039;re all and undone. I don&#039;t know that we were all undone, we might all have gotten sane suddenly.. That would&#039;ve been a horrible thing, too.

Well, alright, you&#039;ll find that this universe has been going backwards that way. And people have been backing up from what&#039;s bad so hard, Dud! The amount of energy expended from backing up from something that&#039;s bad is wonderful to behold. Particularly when you observe the fact that the harder you back up the solider the cable you put on what you&#039;re backing away from. That which you fear you bring to you.

Why? Because all you had to do was be it and you were no longer, it was no longer possible for that to hurt you. Or even be bad. All you had to do was be it. Instead of that they said run away from it, that was the new idea. Abandon it! Well, the second you ran away from it you (if you had anchor points in it, of course, you brought the anchor points in too. And that collapsed the terminal in on you, so you became something bad. whad&#039;ya you know). Neat trick.

Now, uh, all of these various principles ...we find out that the highest level energies ..that we have anything to do with, &lt;b&gt;the only energies that which we wan&#039;t to have anything to do with, are admiration and force.&lt;/b&gt;? What force is we won&#039;t worry about, but admiration&#039;s kind of a generalized sensation. And, uh, admiration... what we know as admiration or what races know and call admiration is actually a flow. It&#039;s actually a flow ...because you can make it. That&#039;s why it&#039;s actual ...because you can make it ..and observe it. And that&#039;s, that&#039;s actual...Not necessarily real, it&#039;s actual. All right... 

And this is the substance of which a communication line is made. That&#039;s the substance, it&#039;s just like &lt;b&gt;telephone lines are made out of copper, communication lines are made out of admiration&lt;/b&gt;. Now things will flow along communication lines, then, and disapate very, very nicely as long as there&#039;s some admiration in the line. If you get this condition then all sorts of things will discharge out along those lines. You know that all the people talk about the universal solvant: You know the universal solvant is something you couldn&#039;t even keep in a bucket. And the reason you couldn&#039;t keep this in a bucket is it&#039;d go through the bucket and hit the ground and go through the planet. Universal solvent would eventually eat up the whole universe. And there&#039;d been a lot of stories about the universal sovant. Well, we had to discover it here, I&#039;m sorry to say, it happens to be admiration. If you just start admiring MEST you hard enough it will disappear. In other words, theoretically. Just theoretically...  If you flow out enough admiration in this universe it&#039;d go boom.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My transcription of the video. </p>
<p>8-8008 The Factors</p>
<p>Now, everybody knows we&#8217;ve got to accept what&#8217;s real. Only, they&#8217;ve never bothered to tell anybody what was real. Well, that&#8217;s a dirty trick, isn&#8217;t it. They go around, they say, &#8220;Now, what you have to do is accept reality, you&#8217;re not facing reality. That&#8217;s a totally [???] that&#8217;s why we&#8217;re going to give you electric shocks and pre-fontal lobotomy and fix you up, bud! [laughs]. That is what&#8217;s gonna happen to you. [When?] you all face reality, well God help any of those people who ever made that remark to some patient. If the patient then suddenly looked at them said, alright I&#8217;m perfectly willing to accept reality. Now, please tell me what it is. [(laughs)] You would have had a dead psychiatrist in 48 hours. (laughs) It&#8217;s a fact. It would have been that grim. Because nobody had defined reality except in physical sciences. And they defined it in a way that had nothing what so ever to do with thought. And then the people that worked in thought said very carefully; that has no bearing on thought. Physical science has no bearing on thought. Everybody knows it&#8217;s a kind of energy, has no relationship with this kind of energy. Hide the data quick!!! Somebody&#8217;s libel to find out and then we&#8217;re all and undone. I don&#8217;t know that we were all undone, we might all have gotten sane suddenly.. That would&#8217;ve been a horrible thing, too.</p>
<p>Well, alright, you&#8217;ll find that this universe has been going backwards that way. And people have been backing up from what&#8217;s bad so hard, Dud! The amount of energy expended from backing up from something that&#8217;s bad is wonderful to behold. Particularly when you observe the fact that the harder you back up the solider the cable you put on what you&#8217;re backing away from. That which you fear you bring to you.</p>
<p>Why? Because all you had to do was be it and you were no longer, it was no longer possible for that to hurt you. Or even be bad. All you had to do was be it. Instead of that they said run away from it, that was the new idea. Abandon it! Well, the second you ran away from it you (if you had anchor points in it, of course, you brought the anchor points in too. And that collapsed the terminal in on you, so you became something bad. whad&#8217;ya you know). Neat trick.</p>
<p>Now, uh, all of these various principles &#8230;we find out that the highest level energies ..that we have anything to do with, <b>the only energies that which we wan&#8217;t to have anything to do with, are admiration and force.</b>? What force is we won&#8217;t worry about, but admiration&#8217;s kind of a generalized sensation. And, uh, admiration&#8230; what we know as admiration or what races know and call admiration is actually a flow. It&#8217;s actually a flow &#8230;because you can make it. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s actual &#8230;because you can make it ..and observe it. And that&#8217;s, that&#8217;s actual&#8230;Not necessarily real, it&#8217;s actual. All right&#8230; </p>
<p>And this is the substance of which a communication line is made. That&#8217;s the substance, it&#8217;s just like <b>telephone lines are made out of copper, communication lines are made out of admiration</b>. Now things will flow along communication lines, then, and disapate very, very nicely as long as there&#8217;s some admiration in the line. If you get this condition then all sorts of things will discharge out along those lines. You know that all the people talk about the universal solvant: You know the universal solvant is something you couldn&#8217;t even keep in a bucket. And the reason you couldn&#8217;t keep this in a bucket is it&#8217;d go through the bucket and hit the ground and go through the planet. Universal solvent would eventually eat up the whole universe. And there&#8217;d been a lot of stories about the universal sovant. Well, we had to discover it here, I&#8217;m sorry to say, it happens to be admiration. If you just start admiring MEST you hard enough it will disappear. In other words, theoretically. Just theoretically&#8230;  If you flow out enough admiration in this universe it&#8217;d go boom.</p>
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		By: Cat Daddy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cat Daddy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/17/the-factors-another-video-the-church-of-scientology-would-rather-you-not-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-431896&quot;&gt;Zana&lt;/a&gt;.

Big Daddy]]></description>
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<p>Big Daddy</p>
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		By: Verve		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Verve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/17/the-factors-another-video-the-church-of-scientology-would-rather-you-not-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-431674&quot;&gt;Once_Born&lt;/a&gt;.

Well played sir (ma&#039;am?), well played.  :D]]></description>
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<p>Well played sir (ma&#8217;am?), well played.  😀</p>
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		By: grundoon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grundoon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/17/the-factors-another-video-the-church-of-scientology-would-rather-you-not-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-431441&quot;&gt;John P.&lt;/a&gt;.

Jobs&#039; talks were obsessively planned, scripted, polished and rehearsed. Written for him, by a pro. Weeks spent in preparation. And he had an actual useful product to sell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/17/the-factors-another-video-the-church-of-scientology-would-rather-you-not-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-431441">John P.</a>.</p>
<p>Jobs&#8217; talks were obsessively planned, scripted, polished and rehearsed. Written for him, by a pro. Weeks spent in preparation. And he had an actual useful product to sell.</p>
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		By: FOTF2012		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FOTF2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2014 15:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/17/the-factors-another-video-the-church-of-scientology-would-rather-you-not-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-431441&quot;&gt;John P.&lt;/a&gt;.

Nice. The Jobs talk is (1) visionary, yet (2) concrete, (3) specific, (4) identifies an actual target market, (5) is objectively verifiable by anyone, and (6) introduces a product, state of things, or technology that actually exists and is affordable as well as needed and wanted. 


Compare that to some aspects of a Miscavige talk which may hit points 1-3 but fails on 4-6, which are make believe.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/17/the-factors-another-video-the-church-of-scientology-would-rather-you-not-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-431441">John P.</a>.</p>
<p>Nice. The Jobs talk is (1) visionary, yet (2) concrete, (3) specific, (4) identifies an actual target market, (5) is objectively verifiable by anyone, and (6) introduces a product, state of things, or technology that actually exists and is affordable as well as needed and wanted. </p>
<p>Compare that to some aspects of a Miscavige talk which may hit points 1-3 but fails on 4-6, which are make believe.</p>
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		By: Lord Xenu, OT XV		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lord Xenu, OT XV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/17/the-factors-another-video-the-church-of-scientology-would-rather-you-not-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-432640&quot;&gt;Gus_Cox&lt;/a&gt;.

True dat. I was reading somewhere that Tom C. was beating on people after DM showed him it was &quot;okay to do so.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/17/the-factors-another-video-the-church-of-scientology-would-rather-you-not-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-432640">Gus_Cox</a>.</p>
<p>True dat. I was reading somewhere that Tom C. was beating on people after DM showed him it was &#8220;okay to do so.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Carisa Marion		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carisa Marion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2014 10:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like this lecture, I think if people come on here trying to find out what this is all about and start listening and reading some of this stuff they might go, &quot;Hey, but that&#039;s true!&quot; That is the stuff that explains how so many celebrities and others get trapped, because there is some truth in Scientology, regardless of where it really came from, it has helped many people.  The Church truly is twisted for sure and suppressive beyond belief but like I heard a real old timer say today, it&#039;s the people still in the church who are the Ex-Scientologists. I agree.  There are some real Scientologists out here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this lecture, I think if people come on here trying to find out what this is all about and start listening and reading some of this stuff they might go, &#8220;Hey, but that&#8217;s true!&#8221; That is the stuff that explains how so many celebrities and others get trapped, because there is some truth in Scientology, regardless of where it really came from, it has helped many people.  The Church truly is twisted for sure and suppressive beyond belief but like I heard a real old timer say today, it&#8217;s the people still in the church who are the Ex-Scientologists. I agree.  There are some real Scientologists out here.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gus_Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jan 2014 09:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/17/the-factors-another-video-the-church-of-scientology-would-rather-you-not-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-431989&quot;&gt;Lord Xenu, OT XV&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah, and look at how Cruise &quot;love bombed&quot; that sweet girl, Boniadi I think her name was, with the sushi and the ice skating.  


Then when she couldn&#039;t understand Miscavige&#039;s Philadelphia brogue (because she was raised in England and spoke proper English) he gave her the reality adjustment:  &quot;First, there&#039;s LRH.  Then there&#039;s COB.  Then, there&#039;s me.&quot;  


What a goddamned asshole.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2014/01/17/the-factors-another-video-the-church-of-scientology-would-rather-you-not-watch/comment-page-1/#comment-431989">Lord Xenu, OT XV</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah, and look at how Cruise &#8220;love bombed&#8221; that sweet girl, Boniadi I think her name was, with the sushi and the ice skating.  </p>
<p>Then when she couldn&#8217;t understand Miscavige&#8217;s Philadelphia brogue (because she was raised in England and spoke proper English) he gave her the reality adjustment:  &#8220;First, there&#8217;s LRH.  Then there&#8217;s COB.  Then, there&#8217;s me.&#8221;  </p>
<p>What a goddamned asshole.</p>
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