I came back to look at some of Jefferson’s postings, saw your handle. Just wanted to tell you I was exclaiming outloud, and laughing outloud, all along your encounter today with stan. Just bust outloud funny ! Thanks for the laugh riot. Back to work, for me, now- ciao.

Snickersnort. Well done.

Yep. If truth in advertising prevailed, and this was posted upfront and in the first paragraph of all the contracts, people still might not believe what they were getting into when they signed up.

I am glad that there are several online places -in many different styles- where a newly-exited member can find a home. The transition, as you have noted, must be very hard. I hear the Hubbard language and the reference citations and lack of opinions and shudder; for someone else, it is the acceptable framework to communicate with others. I try to imagine how that must feel for someone to have to shed that after 10 years, 15 yearn, a lifetime….

Ex, we are making progress….the evil is being exposed.

“Fear ofthe outside world”, “protected and comfortable”? Yes. I remember talking to staff and sea Orgers especially who had tried to function out here, but said they could not take the insanity of the wog world, and returned to the nest.

That may sound strange and laughable to many of you, but I think it is very common. Captive animals don’t always do well when released in the wild, you know. This also happens with the military……there is a certain comfort in rules and disciplines, and lots and lots of agreements. Even all those disagreements and discussions that end with someone saying “Ron says”……. Those save a lot of having to argue and decide,and, of course,actually think for yourself. A lot of people simply are more comfortable being told what to do and what to think, it seems.

Even I have had to learn to use patience with people in wogdom who don’t listen, or interrupt your sentences, or don’t acknowledge, or speak all at once. It can be refreshing to be around people who use aspects of the famous “communication formula”, (but not to an extreme). Being among like minded can seem great. And people enjoy religious orders to various degrees, too. There is purpose. We don’t have to all live in the suburbs and watch TV,etc. It is just that Siphonology is an EVIL, betraying con job that leads nowhere like where it promises to lead, and uses up people, destroys their souls and lives, and then spits them out to die.

Which one do you think LRH spent more time on, cared more about, and really believed in?

“We’re not a turn-the-other-cheek kind of religion” – Heber Jentzsch as quoted by Toronto Sun reporter Bill Dunphy in his October 4, 1991, article, “Record Libel Award vs. Scientology,” preserved in a FACTnet archive. I haven’t found an earlier source for this quote.

Record Libel Award vs. Scientology

by Bill Dunphy, Toronto Sun, Oct. 4, 1991, 4.

A Toronto jury has hit Scientology with $1.6 million in damages for libeling one of Ontario’s top Crown attorneys. It is by far the largest libel damages [decision] ever assessed by a Canadian jury. And the final total – if it stands up under an expected appeal – could go much higher once court costs and seven years of interest are worked into the equation.

Scientology lawyer Morris Manning shares responsibility for $300,000 of that award. Crown attorney Casey Hill showed no emotion as the jury handed down its verdict in his favor last night after a month-long trial and nine hours of jury deliberations. Neither Hill, his lawyers, nor Manning would comment.

Outside the courtroom, an angry Cathia Riley, Canadian director of legal affairs for Scientology, denounced the decision, saying the jury had been denied access to the truth. Heber Jentzsch, president of the International Church of Scientology, went further, saying what happened in court was reminiscent of “the most outrageous travesty of justice that came into being in the Nazi courts. Scientologists will not be taking this lying down. We’re not a turn-the-other-cheek kind of religion,” he said from his Los Angeles office.

Hill, 42, began his lawsuit against the Church of Scientology of Toronto Inc. and Manning back in 1984. Manning, acting for Scientology, had taken part in a press conference at Osgood Hall that charged Hill and another government lawyer with 10 counts of contempt of court. The Scientology accusations against Hill arose out of a dispute over access to documents seized during an OPP [Ontario Provincial Police] raid of Scientology’s corporate headquarters in March 1983. Scientology still faces criminal charges arising from that raid. Hill was prosecuted for criminal contempt of court by Scientology, but the case was tossed out by the judge.

Hill sued for libel, asking for general and aggravated damages from both Scientology and Manning and punitive damages from Scientology alone. The Jury assessed general damages against both defendants at $300,000, aggravated damages against Scientology alone of another $500,00, and slapped on a whopping $800,000 in punitive damages against Scientology.

Thank you for the edit. I was just going to stay quiet…

That had to be an experience one can not forget. Thank you so much for caring and helping to do something about it.