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	Comments on: The big reveal: What you actually learn on Scientology&#8217;s Operating Thetan Level Three	</title>
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		By: Kaarli Makela		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[That Detroit one is somebody&#039;s imagination!  They never fixed up or opened anything Downtown.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Detroit one is somebody&#8217;s imagination!  They never fixed up or opened anything Downtown.</p>
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		By: Andrew Kiyotaka Caesar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Kiyotaka Caesar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jun 2016 22:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting. I was only in Scientology for 6 months but it felt more like 20 years. The withdraw symptoms are similar to coca in or heroine that I have never used but have seen on documentaries.Still wonder what life might have been like if I had stayed in Scietology. Probably poorer materially but more capable? Wouldn&#039;t be surprised if Miscavige was a government plant and Scientology being used by key government officials to subvert the will of the people. That would explain the IRS ruling and free social services run by the church at taxpayer expense.

The harm done by Hubbard to people from all walks of life is incalculable and subtle. And this coming from a man who was crying out for help early in his life via the VA according to Lawrence Wright. Now I will never find out if there ever was a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow because of all these revelations.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. I was only in Scientology for 6 months but it felt more like 20 years. The withdraw symptoms are similar to coca in or heroine that I have never used but have seen on documentaries.Still wonder what life might have been like if I had stayed in Scietology. Probably poorer materially but more capable? Wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if Miscavige was a government plant and Scientology being used by key government officials to subvert the will of the people. That would explain the IRS ruling and free social services run by the church at taxpayer expense.</p>
<p>The harm done by Hubbard to people from all walks of life is incalculable and subtle. And this coming from a man who was crying out for help early in his life via the VA according to Lawrence Wright. Now I will never find out if there ever was a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow because of all these revelations.</p>
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		By: Free Minds, Free Hearts		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Free Minds, Free Hearts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2015 17:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/10/the-big-reveal-what-you-actually-learn-on-scientologys-operating-thetan-level-three/comment-page-2/#comment-379483&quot;&gt;Interested&lt;/a&gt;.

What a tragedy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/10/the-big-reveal-what-you-actually-learn-on-scientologys-operating-thetan-level-three/comment-page-2/#comment-379483">Interested</a>.</p>
<p>What a tragedy.</p>
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		By: jlw		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2015 02:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why has no one asked L. Ron Hubbard how he somehow knows all of these things?? What is his explanation as to how he knows about Xenu and what happened in space 75 million years ago?? Does no one think to ask this?!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why has no one asked L. Ron Hubbard how he somehow knows all of these things?? What is his explanation as to how he knows about Xenu and what happened in space 75 million years ago?? Does no one think to ask this?!</p>
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		By: Nat-lificent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nat-lificent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2015 03:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Nat-lificent		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nat-lificent]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2015 02:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: scottishinlondon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[scottishinlondon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2014 07:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/10/the-big-reveal-what-you-actually-learn-on-scientologys-operating-thetan-level-three/comment-page-1/#comment-379583&quot;&gt;valshifter&lt;/a&gt;.

Interesting. One of my teachers said once that there are 2 kinds of truths, deep truths and shallow truths. The opposite of a deep truth is also true, whereas the opposite of a shallow truth is false. For example, &#039;red means stop&#039; is a shallow truth, because it is true but there aren&#039;t situations in which &#039;red means go&#039;, that&#039;s just gibberish. &#039;It is important to touch people&#039; is a deep truth, because it is very true, but there are also situations in which &#039;it is important not to touch people.&#039; My teacher told us this as an illustration of the paradoxical nature of reality. If you examine your experience I think you&#039;ll find its true.
I am not sure where this leaves Hubbard and his insights: I guess everything he came up with was a mixture of deep and shallow falsehoods.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/10/the-big-reveal-what-you-actually-learn-on-scientologys-operating-thetan-level-three/comment-page-1/#comment-379583">valshifter</a>.</p>
<p>Interesting. One of my teachers said once that there are 2 kinds of truths, deep truths and shallow truths. The opposite of a deep truth is also true, whereas the opposite of a shallow truth is false. For example, &#8216;red means stop&#8217; is a shallow truth, because it is true but there aren&#8217;t situations in which &#8216;red means go&#8217;, that&#8217;s just gibberish. &#8216;It is important to touch people&#8217; is a deep truth, because it is very true, but there are also situations in which &#8216;it is important not to touch people.&#8217; My teacher told us this as an illustration of the paradoxical nature of reality. If you examine your experience I think you&#8217;ll find its true.<br />
I am not sure where this leaves Hubbard and his insights: I guess everything he came up with was a mixture of deep and shallow falsehoods.</p>
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		By: violetskyye		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[violetskyye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2014 01:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just thinking about the logistics of this [and I can&#039;t believe I&#039;m wasting the mental energy to do so] are mind-boggling. With just 7 billion people, Earth, um Teegaeak, is pretty crowded, so how did they fit 178 million into 10 volcanoes? Are they really teeny tiny people? And did they have the great-great, times infinity, grand-father of Robert Opperneheimer invent the H-bombs by which they exploded the volcanoes and scattered the population? I guess the bigger question is why am I worrying about this when I have so much work to do?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just thinking about the logistics of this [and I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m wasting the mental energy to do so] are mind-boggling. With just 7 billion people, Earth, um Teegaeak, is pretty crowded, so how did they fit 178 million into 10 volcanoes? Are they really teeny tiny people? And did they have the great-great, times infinity, grand-father of Robert Opperneheimer invent the H-bombs by which they exploded the volcanoes and scattered the population? I guess the bigger question is why am I worrying about this when I have so much work to do?</p>
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		By: FOTF2012		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FOTF2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2014 23:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/10/the-big-reveal-what-you-actually-learn-on-scientologys-operating-thetan-level-three/comment-page-1/#comment-381881&quot;&gt;ElderKing&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s Catholic doctrine that the wine and bread actually turn to blood and flesh in Communion. It&#039;s known as transubstantiation. 


General info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/10/the-big-reveal-what-you-actually-learn-on-scientologys-operating-thetan-level-three/comment-page-1/#comment-381881">ElderKing</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s Catholic doctrine that the wine and bread actually turn to blood and flesh in Communion. It&#8217;s known as transubstantiation. </p>
<p>General info at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation</a>.</p>
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		By: Good Fella		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Good Fella]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Dec 2013 00:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/10/the-big-reveal-what-you-actually-learn-on-scientologys-operating-thetan-level-three/comment-page-1/#comment-394094&quot;&gt;peakofelephants&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;High art&quot; is a good turn of phase characterizing the effort needed to wrap one&#039;s comprehension and future &#039;think&#039; while trying to audit the material. Keep in mind, the course supervisors had no more of a clue than the brand new student about what these materials were really about. When a student had any kind of question, the student was challenged with the supervisor&#039;s mantra &quot; find your MU (misunderstood word)&quot;. Supervisors were really saying to the student &quot;I have no more of a clue than you do so work it out for yourself&quot;. With a shrug, you&#039;d do exactly that. God help you if you asked &quot;what has this stuff got to do (insert a real life problem)?&quot; So yes, to say this stuff looks like someone&#039;s hallucination&quot; would wind you up in a dark, dank ethics office, being brow-beaten by a 16 year old Ethics Troll.


As far as the OT levels coming from implants, I don&#039;t thinks so. However, I remember reading that the Clearing Course materials was an implant contained the Incident Two implant which lasted 36 days to lay in.


I hope I was able to answer your excellent questions.



You know, so much of Hubbard&#039;s inventions that were passed off as &#039;Standard Tech which worked every time when standardly applied&#039; demanded this kind of mental gymnastics, not just the OT levels. But don&#039;t get me started on this or you&#039;ll get a large book.


On being forced to learn Kingon -- well he could have forced us to learn the real language of the Marcabean civilization. I&#039;m surprised he didn&#039;t.


Peak, I don&#039;t know if you have ever spent any time over at lermanet.com. Arnie has vast amounts of material on Hubbard that will keep you entertained for months.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/10/the-big-reveal-what-you-actually-learn-on-scientologys-operating-thetan-level-three/comment-page-1/#comment-394094">peakofelephants</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;High art&#8221; is a good turn of phase characterizing the effort needed to wrap one&#8217;s comprehension and future &#8216;think&#8217; while trying to audit the material. Keep in mind, the course supervisors had no more of a clue than the brand new student about what these materials were really about. When a student had any kind of question, the student was challenged with the supervisor&#8217;s mantra &#8221; find your MU (misunderstood word)&#8221;. Supervisors were really saying to the student &#8220;I have no more of a clue than you do so work it out for yourself&#8221;. With a shrug, you&#8217;d do exactly that. God help you if you asked &#8220;what has this stuff got to do (insert a real life problem)?&#8221; So yes, to say this stuff looks like someone&#8217;s hallucination&#8221; would wind you up in a dark, dank ethics office, being brow-beaten by a 16 year old Ethics Troll.</p>
<p>As far as the OT levels coming from implants, I don&#8217;t thinks so. However, I remember reading that the Clearing Course materials was an implant contained the Incident Two implant which lasted 36 days to lay in.</p>
<p>I hope I was able to answer your excellent questions.</p>
<p>You know, so much of Hubbard&#8217;s inventions that were passed off as &#8216;Standard Tech which worked every time when standardly applied&#8217; demanded this kind of mental gymnastics, not just the OT levels. But don&#8217;t get me started on this or you&#8217;ll get a large book.</p>
<p>On being forced to learn Kingon &#8212; well he could have forced us to learn the real language of the Marcabean civilization. I&#8217;m surprised he didn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Peak, I don&#8217;t know if you have ever spent any time over at lermanet.com. Arnie has vast amounts of material on Hubbard that will keep you entertained for months.</p>
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