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		By: Casabeca		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Casabeca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Dec 2013 21:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/06/how-does-scientology-take-over-a-mind-jefferson-hawkins-tells-us-about-pts/comment-page-1/#comment-374873&quot;&gt;monkeyknickers&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Monkey, how are ya?
My friend due about the same time as you had a little girl yesterday.
First baby, healthy and happy.  She had the baby at home with a great midwife.
The new granddad had tears and sparkles in his voice...is that possible?
So, I am always remembering you when new baby stuff is happening.
Happy Sunday!  Wishing you to be well :).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/06/how-does-scientology-take-over-a-mind-jefferson-hawkins-tells-us-about-pts/comment-page-1/#comment-374873">monkeyknickers</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Monkey, how are ya?<br />
My friend due about the same time as you had a little girl yesterday.<br />
First baby, healthy and happy.  She had the baby at home with a great midwife.<br />
The new granddad had tears and sparkles in his voice&#8230;is that possible?<br />
So, I am always remembering you when new baby stuff is happening.<br />
Happy Sunday!  Wishing you to be well :).</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 18:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/06/how-does-scientology-take-over-a-mind-jefferson-hawkins-tells-us-about-pts/comment-page-2/#comment-374866&quot;&gt;Shirley Eugeste&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes...it is more than ironic that Scientology vilifies psychiatry for poor handling of truly desperate mentally ill people, but will not handle them itself as an organizational policy.


That would be like the local fire department refusing to put out a fire while at the same time blaming the victims of house fires for poor safety practices.


The fact is Scientology cannot handle mental illness. If it could it would. After all, Scientology is one of the most money motivated organizations in the world,yet they vilify psychiatry for being money motivated.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/06/how-does-scientology-take-over-a-mind-jefferson-hawkins-tells-us-about-pts/comment-page-2/#comment-374866">Shirley Eugeste</a>.</p>
<p>Yes&#8230;it is more than ironic that Scientology vilifies psychiatry for poor handling of truly desperate mentally ill people, but will not handle them itself as an organizational policy.</p>
<p>That would be like the local fire department refusing to put out a fire while at the same time blaming the victims of house fires for poor safety practices.</p>
<p>The fact is Scientology cannot handle mental illness. If it could it would. After all, Scientology is one of the most money motivated organizations in the world,yet they vilify psychiatry for being money motivated.</p>
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		By: Peter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/06/how-does-scientology-take-over-a-mind-jefferson-hawkins-tells-us-about-pts/comment-page-1/#comment-372308&quot;&gt;KJP in Portland&lt;/a&gt;.

Beautiful - and accurate - description.  She got the best out of her staff without having to berate or demean them.  The world is a lesser place for her absence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/06/how-does-scientology-take-over-a-mind-jefferson-hawkins-tells-us-about-pts/comment-page-1/#comment-372308">KJP in Portland</a>.</p>
<p>Beautiful &#8211; and accurate &#8211; description.  She got the best out of her staff without having to berate or demean them.  The world is a lesser place for her absence.</p>
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		By: KJP in Portland		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KJP in Portland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 15:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow...I was reading and &#039;downvoting&#039; all of that &#039;Guest&#039; guy&#039;s posts. Is he on a severe &#039;bender&#039; or what? Did he miss his stats big-time last week? Did they put him on bread and water or something?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;I was reading and &#8216;downvoting&#8217; all of that &#8216;Guest&#8217; guy&#8217;s posts. Is he on a severe &#8216;bender&#8217; or what? Did he miss his stats big-time last week? Did they put him on bread and water or something?</p>
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		By: monkeyknickers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[monkeyknickers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 08:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/06/how-does-scientology-take-over-a-mind-jefferson-hawkins-tells-us-about-pts/comment-page-1/#comment-374294&quot;&gt;Casabeca&lt;/a&gt;.

A SHAVE ? HOLY SHIT. 





And I don&#039;t feel so much like a miracle than a poster child for double birth control. :)))




But I am SO excited for them to be here. So is Ashy (finally))


I just don&#039;t want to poop on anyone. 

:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/06/how-does-scientology-take-over-a-mind-jefferson-hawkins-tells-us-about-pts/comment-page-1/#comment-374294">Casabeca</a>.</p>
<p>A SHAVE ? HOLY SHIT. </p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t feel so much like a miracle than a poster child for double birth control. :)))</p>
<p>But I am SO excited for them to be here. So is Ashy (finally))</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t want to poop on anyone. </p>
<p>🙂</p>
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		By: Shirley Eugeste		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shirley Eugeste]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 07:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hubbard: &quot;All institutional cases are PTSes. The whole of insanity is wrapped up on this one fact…&quot;



I thought &quot;the whole of insanity&quot; was caused by psychiatry. How can Scientology deny &quot;treatment of a mental nature&quot; when it proclaims itself to be the alternative to mental treatment? I suspect that on &quot;the Biggest Loser,&quot; access to the Deep Fried Pleasure Dome and a Ben &#038; Jerry&#039;s Golden Spoon (free everything forever?) are never denied to the participants, regardless of their degree of success any particular week. I suspect, rather, that there is no Deep Fried Pleasure Dome. Can you imagine: &quot;No bucket of KFC for you, and no Chocolate Therapy, till you lose 5 pounds&quot;???



How does Scientology account for PTS behavior in people who are not now and who have never been &quot;suppressed? If neither they nor anyone around them has ever heard of Scientology and therefore neither approves, disapproves nor really even cares? 


I think CoS could at least expand their definition of PTS a smidge to include non-Scientology-related &quot;types.&quot; Or is the idea that if a person is exhibiting behavior commonly considered to be potentially indicative of one form or another of &quot;mental illness,&quot; then he (... or she) is simply unaware of having been a Scientologist way back on the track, at which time they were suppressed like crazy?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hubbard: &#8220;All institutional cases are PTSes. The whole of insanity is wrapped up on this one fact…&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought &#8220;the whole of insanity&#8221; was caused by psychiatry. How can Scientology deny &#8220;treatment of a mental nature&#8221; when it proclaims itself to be the alternative to mental treatment? I suspect that on &#8220;the Biggest Loser,&#8221; access to the Deep Fried Pleasure Dome and a Ben &amp; Jerry&#8217;s Golden Spoon (free everything forever?) are never denied to the participants, regardless of their degree of success any particular week. I suspect, rather, that there is no Deep Fried Pleasure Dome. Can you imagine: &#8220;No bucket of KFC for you, and no Chocolate Therapy, till you lose 5 pounds&#8221;???</p>
<p>How does Scientology account for PTS behavior in people who are not now and who have never been &#8220;suppressed? If neither they nor anyone around them has ever heard of Scientology and therefore neither approves, disapproves nor really even cares? </p>
<p>I think CoS could at least expand their definition of PTS a smidge to include non-Scientology-related &#8220;types.&#8221; Or is the idea that if a person is exhibiting behavior commonly considered to be potentially indicative of one form or another of &#8220;mental illness,&#8221; then he (&#8230; or she) is simply unaware of having been a Scientologist way back on the track, at which time they were suppressed like crazy?</p>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 06:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is a test.  This link should send you to the list of things said about $cientology. http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1144801640]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a test.  This link should send you to the list of things said about $cientology. <a href="http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1144801640" rel="ugc">http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1144801640</a></p>
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		By: Jo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 03:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/06/how-does-scientology-take-over-a-mind-jefferson-hawkins-tells-us-about-pts/comment-page-2/#comment-374478&quot;&gt;Guest&lt;/a&gt;.

Please stop deleting your posts, if you got something to say, stand by your words and don&#039;t be scared. Ray your like a sleeping tablet. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/06/how-does-scientology-take-over-a-mind-jefferson-hawkins-tells-us-about-pts/comment-page-2/#comment-374478">Guest</a>.</p>
<p>Please stop deleting your posts, if you got something to say, stand by your words and don&#8217;t be scared. Ray your like a sleeping tablet. </p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Guest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 02:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/06/how-does-scientology-take-over-a-mind-jefferson-hawkins-tells-us-about-pts/comment-page-2/#comment-374321&quot;&gt;Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII&lt;/a&gt;.

I have nothing to and to what you wrote, it was thorough and a summary I can, for the most part,  buy into. I wish I could write like that.  You have obviously earned those skills with years of practice in whatever you have done with your life so far.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/06/how-does-scientology-take-over-a-mind-jefferson-hawkins-tells-us-about-pts/comment-page-2/#comment-374321">Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII</a>.</p>
<p>I have nothing to and to what you wrote, it was thorough and a summary I can, for the most part,  buy into. I wish I could write like that.  You have obviously earned those skills with years of practice in whatever you have done with your life so far.</p>
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		By: Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 00:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/06/how-does-scientology-take-over-a-mind-jefferson-hawkins-tells-us-about-pts/comment-page-2/#comment-374298&quot;&gt;Guest&lt;/a&gt;.

You are quite welcome, Ray Guest. I look forward to any response you have the time or inclination to offer. Happy holidays! ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/06/how-does-scientology-take-over-a-mind-jefferson-hawkins-tells-us-about-pts/comment-page-2/#comment-374298">Guest</a>.</p>
<p>You are quite welcome, Ray Guest. I look forward to any response you have the time or inclination to offer. Happy holidays! </p>
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