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		By: fourthmatrix		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/04/scientologys-shiny-new-ultra-mark-viii-e-meter/comment-page-2/#comment-1848131</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2017 15:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I know first hand what it&#039;s like to be kicked in the nuts by scientoloty&#039;s idiots in charge. At CC Int and CCNY, where I went to help a true artist connect and be productive, they all but destroyed my career... and his went nowhere either. It&#039;s never about helping anyone, especially if you&#039;re part of the inside. It&#039;s all about letting the church help itself. I have no doubt the same holds true at narconon and other such orgs. Best bet: stay away and let them keep their trash. It hurts cause I thought I had friends there, on Bronson... but after all that I know that I don&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know first hand what it&#8217;s like to be kicked in the nuts by scientoloty&#8217;s idiots in charge. At CC Int and CCNY, where I went to help a true artist connect and be productive, they all but destroyed my career&#8230; and his went nowhere either. It&#8217;s never about helping anyone, especially if you&#8217;re part of the inside. It&#8217;s all about letting the church help itself. I have no doubt the same holds true at narconon and other such orgs. Best bet: stay away and let them keep their trash. It hurts cause I thought I had friends there, on Bronson&#8230; but after all that I know that I don&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Kandi Klover		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kandi Klover]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lol 5000 can&#039;t wait til these hit ebay with the rest of the meters]]></description>
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		By: peakofelephants		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peakofelephants]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2013 02:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/04/scientologys-shiny-new-ultra-mark-viii-e-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-369832&quot;&gt;Kevin Woolard&lt;/a&gt;.

Indeed, this is a defining feature of psychopathy. It&#039;s also worth noting that psychopaths fare extremely well in the corporate workplace, and rise to the top faster than almost anyone else if they are, well, &quot;good&quot; at being a psychopath, to put it simply. This helps explain DM&#039;s existence, more or less.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/04/scientologys-shiny-new-ultra-mark-viii-e-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-369832">Kevin Woolard</a>.</p>
<p>Indeed, this is a defining feature of psychopathy. It&#8217;s also worth noting that psychopaths fare extremely well in the corporate workplace, and rise to the top faster than almost anyone else if they are, well, &#8220;good&#8221; at being a psychopath, to put it simply. This helps explain DM&#8217;s existence, more or less.</p>
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		By: peakofelephants		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peakofelephants]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2013 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve spent most of my professional life working with addiction, and for those reading this who are not into twelve step (and given the cult experience of former Co$ members, I might even recommend against 12 Step-based treatments), I would strongly recommend finding, if possible, a SMART Recovery group in your area. I would also recommend Albert Ellis&#039;s excellent book, &quot;When AA Doesn&#039;t Work For You,&quot; and Jack Trimpey&#039;s &quot;Rational Recovery,&quot; for starters. You can find more information about SMART online at http://www.smartrecovery.org, including free resources.

I would also recommend, in the case you are ex-Co$, and are a &quot;problem user/drinker&quot; at least, to seek private therapy OR treatment at a clinic that offers evidence-based treatments. This last point is extremely important.

If anyone needs assistance in finding appropriate treatment, please feel free to reply and I&#039;d be more than happy to point you in the right direction.

PS: I&#039;m not saying 12 Step is no good, but in terms of available clinical evidence, there is a lot out there that fares better. In my professional experience, I&#039;d say that if 12 Step DOES work for you, then it works. But for many people it doesn&#039;t work as a model, and just like Scientology, when the model doesn&#039;t work, it blames the end user for not &quot;working it&quot; right. This is another reason I think it is potentially a very big mistake for someone who has had experiences within Co$ to go through 12 Step.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve spent most of my professional life working with addiction, and for those reading this who are not into twelve step (and given the cult experience of former Co$ members, I might even recommend against 12 Step-based treatments), I would strongly recommend finding, if possible, a SMART Recovery group in your area. I would also recommend Albert Ellis&#8217;s excellent book, &#8220;When AA Doesn&#8217;t Work For You,&#8221; and Jack Trimpey&#8217;s &#8220;Rational Recovery,&#8221; for starters. You can find more information about SMART online at <a href="http://www.smartrecovery.org" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.smartrecovery.org</a>, including free resources.</p>
<p>I would also recommend, in the case you are ex-Co$, and are a &#8220;problem user/drinker&#8221; at least, to seek private therapy OR treatment at a clinic that offers evidence-based treatments. This last point is extremely important.</p>
<p>If anyone needs assistance in finding appropriate treatment, please feel free to reply and I&#8217;d be more than happy to point you in the right direction.</p>
<p>PS: I&#8217;m not saying 12 Step is no good, but in terms of available clinical evidence, there is a lot out there that fares better. In my professional experience, I&#8217;d say that if 12 Step DOES work for you, then it works. But for many people it doesn&#8217;t work as a model, and just like Scientology, when the model doesn&#8217;t work, it blames the end user for not &#8220;working it&#8221; right. This is another reason I think it is potentially a very big mistake for someone who has had experiences within Co$ to go through 12 Step.</p>
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		By: peakofelephants		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2013 01:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey, where can I get one that &quot;fell off the truck?&quot; BTW Co$ trolls reading this: Why can&#039;t you get someone from Apple to do the product design? I mean really, that&#039;s the best you can manage?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, where can I get one that &#8220;fell off the truck?&#8221; BTW Co$ trolls reading this: Why can&#8217;t you get someone from Apple to do the product design? I mean really, that&#8217;s the best you can manage?</p>
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		By: PickAnotherID		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PickAnotherID]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2013 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/04/scientologys-shiny-new-ultra-mark-viii-e-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-370326&quot;&gt;J. Swift&lt;/a&gt;.

The blasted thing is just a Wheatstone Bridge in a fancy case with made up labeling, period. You can build one yourself for under $50 in parts. Or if you don&#039;t have basic soldering skills you can buy one preassembled in a rugidized case for around $100.

The other $5,300 Cof$ is charging is pure rip off profit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/04/scientologys-shiny-new-ultra-mark-viii-e-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-370326">J. Swift</a>.</p>
<p>The blasted thing is just a Wheatstone Bridge in a fancy case with made up labeling, period. You can build one yourself for under $50 in parts. Or if you don&#8217;t have basic soldering skills you can buy one preassembled in a rugidized case for around $100.</p>
<p>The other $5,300 Cof$ is charging is pure rip off profit.</p>
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		By: Eclipse-girl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eclipse-girl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Dec 2013 15:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/04/scientologys-shiny-new-ultra-mark-viii-e-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-369951&quot;&gt;Stacy L&lt;/a&gt;.

Stacy,
please email me at meg ruoff at gee mail dawt com


I think I can help you make this more efficient.


I do not usually use that account so be patient with me]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/04/scientologys-shiny-new-ultra-mark-viii-e-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-369951">Stacy L</a>.</p>
<p>Stacy,<br />
please email me at meg ruoff at gee mail dawt com</p>
<p>I think I can help you make this more efficient.</p>
<p>I do not usually use that account so be patient with me</p>
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		By: monkeyknickers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[monkeyknickers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Dec 2013 09:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/04/scientologys-shiny-new-ultra-mark-viii-e-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-370597&quot;&gt;stanrogers&lt;/a&gt;.

I so love you, Stan. :) Thanks for writing this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/04/scientologys-shiny-new-ultra-mark-viii-e-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-370597">stanrogers</a>.</p>
<p>I so love you, Stan. 🙂 Thanks for writing this.</p>
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		By: monkeyknickers		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[monkeyknickers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Dec 2013 23:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/04/scientologys-shiny-new-ultra-mark-viii-e-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-370304&quot;&gt;alias of my alias&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh my baby. I&#039;m so sorry. This is obviously killing you. 



:(


Let&#039;s start from a place of &quot;yes&quot;, okay? 
And remember that &quot;shame&quot; has only the power you give it. I&#039;m not trying to sound like an after school special, but it&#039;s the &quot;shame&quot; that holds you back from getting well, not the drugs. You&#039;d never be embarrassed about talking about a broken ankle for example, and asking for help. 



I appreciate that this sounds like Pollyanna advice. It&#039;s honestly not. It&#039;s sensible. You need a friend, and you need the support of your partner. I have NO doubt that s/he would be there for you, as you would for him/her. 



And I promise - PROMISE - you that quitting is never as hard as you think it&#039;s going to be. It&#039;s work, yes. It takes commitment, yes. But it&#039;s never as bad as we think. 



It&#039;s the shame and fear holding you back from where you want to be. You have nothing to be ashamed of. 



many kisses to you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/04/scientologys-shiny-new-ultra-mark-viii-e-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-370304">alias of my alias</a>.</p>
<p>Oh my baby. I&#8217;m so sorry. This is obviously killing you. </p>
<p>🙁</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start from a place of &#8220;yes&#8221;, okay?<br />
And remember that &#8220;shame&#8221; has only the power you give it. I&#8217;m not trying to sound like an after school special, but it&#8217;s the &#8220;shame&#8221; that holds you back from getting well, not the drugs. You&#8217;d never be embarrassed about talking about a broken ankle for example, and asking for help. </p>
<p>I appreciate that this sounds like Pollyanna advice. It&#8217;s honestly not. It&#8217;s sensible. You need a friend, and you need the support of your partner. I have NO doubt that s/he would be there for you, as you would for him/her. </p>
<p>And I promise &#8211; PROMISE &#8211; you that quitting is never as hard as you think it&#8217;s going to be. It&#8217;s work, yes. It takes commitment, yes. But it&#8217;s never as bad as we think. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the shame and fear holding you back from where you want to be. You have nothing to be ashamed of. </p>
<p>many kisses to you.</p>
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		By: DesignSnob		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DesignSnob]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Dec 2013 20:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/04/scientologys-shiny-new-ultra-mark-viii-e-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-371083&quot;&gt;grundoon&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi G, Entirely possible; I wasn&#039;t there... just illustrating the worst-case example :) I guess the key bit of data I was trying to offer is the burn rate = 8k - 10k per person per week for US-based senior staff. That&#039;s the high calculation. If you average between senior and junior, you use 7k. If your only using junior staff / interns right out of school, you go to 6k, but I find this to be a purely theoretical option. Junior staff never run a project entirely on their own without senior guidance unless you have management with rocks in their heads. And for a firm that size, using any US based employees at less than 6k would be bad business... too much overhead to cover. Using those numbers anyone can calculate the envelope as they see fit... low, mid, high, short, long scenarios.
In other news... Just heard from manufacturing, they got waylaid in their day jobs... my apologies but report will follow later!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/12/04/scientologys-shiny-new-ultra-mark-viii-e-meter/comment-page-1/#comment-371083">grundoon</a>.</p>
<p>Hi G, Entirely possible; I wasn&#8217;t there&#8230; just illustrating the worst-case example 🙂 I guess the key bit of data I was trying to offer is the burn rate = 8k &#8211; 10k per person per week for US-based senior staff. That&#8217;s the high calculation. If you average between senior and junior, you use 7k. If your only using junior staff / interns right out of school, you go to 6k, but I find this to be a purely theoretical option. Junior staff never run a project entirely on their own without senior guidance unless you have management with rocks in their heads. And for a firm that size, using any US based employees at less than 6k would be bad business&#8230; too much overhead to cover. Using those numbers anyone can calculate the envelope as they see fit&#8230; low, mid, high, short, long scenarios.<br />
In other news&#8230; Just heard from manufacturing, they got waylaid in their day jobs&#8230; my apologies but report will follow later!</p>
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