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		By: ClamInAHalfshell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 00:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-357952&quot;&gt;Robert Eckert&lt;/a&gt;.

I pity the fool.

Actually I mean that literally. Poor delusional dude.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-357952">Robert Eckert</a>.</p>
<p>I pity the fool.</p>
<p>Actually I mean that literally. Poor delusional dude.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Nov 2013 15:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-361394&quot;&gt;chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03&lt;/a&gt;.

Perhaps so.


If Hubbard &quot;comes back&quot; we can ask him.


Although I suspect if he does come back, he&#039;s going to be pretty pissed off at a few folks, which will probably occupy his time for awhile, given his propensity for revenge.


Reviewing the many, many first person, eye-witness accounts of Hubbard&#039;s day-to-day activities in the last 5 years of his life (endless days of watching TV, feeding the animals on his ranch, hiding from his neighbors, whining about his need to stay &quot;fabian&quot; etc.,  reveals nothing that would indicate any demonstrable OT abilities or attributes. 



Thus, whatever &quot;running program&quot; Hubbard supposedly assigned to himself postmortem, could not reasonably be expected to return him to a &quot;state&quot; that he had not reached while still alive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-361394">chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03</a>.</p>
<p>Perhaps so.</p>
<p>If Hubbard &#8220;comes back&#8221; we can ask him.</p>
<p>Although I suspect if he does come back, he&#8217;s going to be pretty pissed off at a few folks, which will probably occupy his time for awhile, given his propensity for revenge.</p>
<p>Reviewing the many, many first person, eye-witness accounts of Hubbard&#8217;s day-to-day activities in the last 5 years of his life (endless days of watching TV, feeding the animals on his ranch, hiding from his neighbors, whining about his need to stay &#8220;fabian&#8221; etc.,  reveals nothing that would indicate any demonstrable OT abilities or attributes. </p>
<p>Thus, whatever &#8220;running program&#8221; Hubbard supposedly assigned to himself postmortem, could not reasonably be expected to return him to a &#8220;state&#8221; that he had not reached while still alive.</p>
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		By: Ardent		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-358621&quot;&gt;KJP in Portland&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey man, do NOT be embarrassed. Too often guys are told they must be boss or in control. That is nonsense. Women are absolutely capable of control - this is a positive in most cases, and I love the sisters for it. But times can turn to make us guys victims, just as many, many women are victims of awful crime. There is no shame in either situation. All there is is one&#039;s own sense of self-preservation and deep, unshakable sense of self. Never give that up. This is one thing that makes me hate Scientology so. But we are talking about you (and I, I guess). We must be strong - very strong in fact: woman-strong, and shoulder the pain, cope and go beyond. My respect for women is immense simply on the basis of those thousands of generations of strength they gave and had to provide. Now, in our little lives (which are neither really &#039;little&#039; nor of no import) we must step into the shoes of our foremothers and fathers and deal with awfulness.  I truly believe we&#039;ll come out the better. Keep an open spiritual heart and mind, never give up, and love every breeze, scent and rainstorm that comes your way. It will be better. You are not stupid - I was not stupid. It just happens. Please forget the shame, KJP - what a pointless thing to beat yourself with! Please start liking yourself. Love yourself, man. Cheers. A fellow-sufferer. : )]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-358621">KJP in Portland</a>.</p>
<p>Hey man, do NOT be embarrassed. Too often guys are told they must be boss or in control. That is nonsense. Women are absolutely capable of control &#8211; this is a positive in most cases, and I love the sisters for it. But times can turn to make us guys victims, just as many, many women are victims of awful crime. There is no shame in either situation. All there is is one&#8217;s own sense of self-preservation and deep, unshakable sense of self. Never give that up. This is one thing that makes me hate Scientology so. But we are talking about you (and I, I guess). We must be strong &#8211; very strong in fact: woman-strong, and shoulder the pain, cope and go beyond. My respect for women is immense simply on the basis of those thousands of generations of strength they gave and had to provide. Now, in our little lives (which are neither really &#8216;little&#8217; nor of no import) we must step into the shoes of our foremothers and fathers and deal with awfulness.  I truly believe we&#8217;ll come out the better. Keep an open spiritual heart and mind, never give up, and love every breeze, scent and rainstorm that comes your way. It will be better. You are not stupid &#8211; I was not stupid. It just happens. Please forget the shame, KJP &#8211; what a pointless thing to beat yourself with! Please start liking yourself. Love yourself, man. Cheers. A fellow-sufferer. : )</p>
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		By: Ardent		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Nov 2013 12:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Join the trout-people and live like a protoplasm...]]></description>
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		By: ClamInAHalfshell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ClamInAHalfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2013 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-358074&quot;&gt;Tory Christman&lt;/a&gt;.

His own son killed himself, they had him cremated and dumped over sea, and gave him no funeral. Ugh.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-358074">Tory Christman</a>.</p>
<p>His own son killed himself, they had him cremated and dumped over sea, and gave him no funeral. Ugh.</p>
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		By: ClamInAHalfshell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ClamInAHalfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-359954&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;.

Better, more humane ideas were already around.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-359954">Anonymous</a>.</p>
<p>Better, more humane ideas were already around.</p>
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		By: ClamInAHalfshell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ClamInAHalfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-358312&quot;&gt;Mooser&lt;/a&gt;.

I always say &quot;theetan&quot; because in the Greek spoken in Greece, which is the pronunciation I learned, &quot;theta&quot; is pronounced &quot;theeta.&quot; 

And if I&#039;m pronouncing it wrong, foo on $cilons anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-358312">Mooser</a>.</p>
<p>I always say &#8220;theetan&#8221; because in the Greek spoken in Greece, which is the pronunciation I learned, &#8220;theta&#8221; is pronounced &#8220;theeta.&#8221; </p>
<p>And if I&#8217;m pronouncing it wrong, foo on $cilons anyway.</p>
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		By: ClamInAHalfshell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ClamInAHalfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-358153&quot;&gt;Jgg2012&lt;/a&gt;.

There was never any tech. The tech was always BS.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-358153">Jgg2012</a>.</p>
<p>There was never any tech. The tech was always BS.</p>
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		By: ClamInAHalfshell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ClamInAHalfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-358331&quot;&gt;Bury_The_Nuts&lt;/a&gt;.

Psychology calls this disassociation. It&#039;s really not healthy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-358331">Bury_The_Nuts</a>.</p>
<p>Psychology calls this disassociation. It&#8217;s really not healthy.</p>
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		By: ClamInAHalfshell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ClamInAHalfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2013 15:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-358257&quot;&gt;SignsOfSuccess&lt;/a&gt;.

The other word for that is disassociation. No wonder Hubbard hated psychologists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/11/24/jenna-miscavige-hill-on-scientologys-new-dawn-i-cant-believe-people-still-buy-this-bs/comment-page-1/#comment-358257">SignsOfSuccess</a>.</p>
<p>The other word for that is disassociation. No wonder Hubbard hated psychologists.</p>
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