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	Comments on: Jon Atack Considers L. Ron Hubbard&#8217;s Tangled Relationship With Mind-Altering Substances	</title>
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		By: John Andra		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Andra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the mistake of many independent Scientologists is to believe that while David Miscavige has made Scientology into a horrible mess, that Scientology was in good shape when LRH was around. Not true. Scientology was always fraught with problems, and Hubbard was perhaps even more messed up in the head the little David.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the mistake of many independent Scientologists is to believe that while David Miscavige has made Scientology into a horrible mess, that Scientology was in good shape when LRH was around. Not true. Scientology was always fraught with problems, and Hubbard was perhaps even more messed up in the head the little David.</p>
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		By: George Diaz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Diaz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/26/jon-atack-considers-l-ron-hubbards-tangled-relationship-with-mind-altering-substances/comment-page-1/#comment-310346&quot;&gt;Natalia M&lt;/a&gt;.

How about a handsome young stud, instead?  He could even get John Travolta&#039;s assistance in this regard.  I&#039;m sure JT would be willing to help his buddy TC with this; don&#039;t you think?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/26/jon-atack-considers-l-ron-hubbards-tangled-relationship-with-mind-altering-substances/comment-page-1/#comment-310346">Natalia M</a>.</p>
<p>How about a handsome young stud, instead?  He could even get John Travolta&#8217;s assistance in this regard.  I&#8217;m sure JT would be willing to help his buddy TC with this; don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		By: Jesse Prince		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jesse Prince]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 21:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/26/jon-atack-considers-l-ron-hubbards-tangled-relationship-with-mind-altering-substances/comment-page-1/#comment-309565&quot;&gt;Simi Valley&lt;/a&gt;.

You are doing exactly what you need to do to recover in my opinion. It takes time and self reflection. Please have something practical you put first thought, like living life or taking care of children if you have them. Balancing your new life is important to your sanity and maintaining good social skills.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/26/jon-atack-considers-l-ron-hubbards-tangled-relationship-with-mind-altering-substances/comment-page-1/#comment-309565">Simi Valley</a>.</p>
<p>You are doing exactly what you need to do to recover in my opinion. It takes time and self reflection. Please have something practical you put first thought, like living life or taking care of children if you have them. Balancing your new life is important to your sanity and maintaining good social skills.</p>
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		By: Jesse Prince		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jesse Prince]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 21:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Concerning L Ron&#039;s continued drug use: Hubbard&#039;s personal physician was a person named Gene Denke. Gene Denke was like  the Conrad Murray for Michael Jackson in that he prescribed whatever drug L Ron wanted for many years. Contrary to common belief among those still faithful to corporate Scientology , in his latter years L Ron was nothing more than a  disabled, addle minded adult that needed constant care. That he continued his &quot;I&#039;m the Devil&quot; persona to his death confirms the state of his mental health.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerning L Ron&#8217;s continued drug use: Hubbard&#8217;s personal physician was a person named Gene Denke. Gene Denke was like  the Conrad Murray for Michael Jackson in that he prescribed whatever drug L Ron wanted for many years. Contrary to common belief among those still faithful to corporate Scientology , in his latter years L Ron was nothing more than a  disabled, addle minded adult that needed constant care. That he continued his &#8220;I&#8217;m the Devil&#8221; persona to his death confirms the state of his mental health.</p>
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		By: aquaclara		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aquaclara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2013 09:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/26/jon-atack-considers-l-ron-hubbards-tangled-relationship-with-mind-altering-substances/comment-page-1/#comment-309565&quot;&gt;Simi Valley&lt;/a&gt;.

The whole idea of music as a tool is good...it can center you, especially when your. Mind is all over the place.  I hope you find it uplifting and relaxing as well.  Best of luck to you, Simi! You&#039;re doing amazing things right now, and I know things will only get easier.  Bunker&#039;s always open when you need it.  
It&#039;s great o have you here. Hugs to you on your continued progress.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/26/jon-atack-considers-l-ron-hubbards-tangled-relationship-with-mind-altering-substances/comment-page-1/#comment-309565">Simi Valley</a>.</p>
<p>The whole idea of music as a tool is good&#8230;it can center you, especially when your. Mind is all over the place.  I hope you find it uplifting and relaxing as well.  Best of luck to you, Simi! You&#8217;re doing amazing things right now, and I know things will only get easier.  Bunker&#8217;s always open when you need it.<br />
It&#8217;s great o have you here. Hugs to you on your continued progress.</p>
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		By: aquaclara		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aquaclara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2013 09:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/26/jon-atack-considers-l-ron-hubbards-tangled-relationship-with-mind-altering-substances/comment-page-1/#comment-310412&quot;&gt;Lady Squash&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;ve reached a great milestone, Lady Squash.  Wow!  Overturning 34 years of a learned behavior is a huge effort.  Look at how well you&#039;re doing!  It&#039;s great that you&#039;re out, and free from the old life.   Wishing you much success.  

I hope it&#039;s a lovely day today where you are....:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/26/jon-atack-considers-l-ron-hubbards-tangled-relationship-with-mind-altering-substances/comment-page-1/#comment-310412">Lady Squash</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve reached a great milestone, Lady Squash.  Wow!  Overturning 34 years of a learned behavior is a huge effort.  Look at how well you&#8217;re doing!  It&#8217;s great that you&#8217;re out, and free from the old life.   Wishing you much success.  </p>
<p>I hope it&#8217;s a lovely day today where you are&#8230;.:)</p>
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		By: DodoTheLaser		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DodoTheLaser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2013 08:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/26/jon-atack-considers-l-ron-hubbards-tangled-relationship-with-mind-altering-substances/comment-page-1/#comment-310956&quot;&gt;ParticleMom&lt;/a&gt;.

Nah, you did fine! I actually learned something new, thanks to you.
And yes, coincidentally it&#039;s also funny, which is a bonus! :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/26/jon-atack-considers-l-ron-hubbards-tangled-relationship-with-mind-altering-substances/comment-page-1/#comment-310956">ParticleMom</a>.</p>
<p>Nah, you did fine! I actually learned something new, thanks to you.<br />
And yes, coincidentally it&#8217;s also funny, which is a bonus! 🙂</p>
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		By: Dorothy Gale		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dorothy Gale]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2013 03:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the comment I posted at:   http://therevealer.org/archives/18575

&quot;Many people who become Scientologists were once seekers of something beyond everyday human existence. When they join Scientology they are indoctrinated to look no further. If they obey the command, they must give up on all further seeking and become dedicated to Scientology exclusively, 200%. Some people leave (CoS) Scientology, and if they can maintain enough distance for a long enough time, they might regain their self-awareness and pick up where they left off, resuming the journey they were forced to give up. Marty is such a person. I wasn’t sure how things would pan out for him. I’m just glad to hear he’s back on track. Becoming immersed in Scientology is a lot like navigating a long underground tunnel. Yes the way out is the way through. And the way THROUGH is the way OUT. Some just never make it through. Welcome back Marty. You’ve now earned my respect for what it’s worth.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the comment I posted at:   <a href="http://therevealer.org/archives/18575" rel="nofollow ugc">http://therevealer.org/archives/18575</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Many people who become Scientologists were once seekers of something beyond everyday human existence. When they join Scientology they are indoctrinated to look no further. If they obey the command, they must give up on all further seeking and become dedicated to Scientology exclusively, 200%. Some people leave (CoS) Scientology, and if they can maintain enough distance for a long enough time, they might regain their self-awareness and pick up where they left off, resuming the journey they were forced to give up. Marty is such a person. I wasn’t sure how things would pan out for him. I’m just glad to hear he’s back on track. Becoming immersed in Scientology is a lot like navigating a long underground tunnel. Yes the way out is the way through. And the way THROUGH is the way OUT. Some just never make it through. Welcome back Marty. You’ve now earned my respect for what it’s worth.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Deeana		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deeana]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2013 03:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[RE:  Jolly&#039;s article.  Marty Rathbun, L. Ron Hubbard and Joseph Smith?  Fine.   But Emerson?  I don&#039;t think so!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  Jolly&#8217;s article.  Marty Rathbun, L. Ron Hubbard and Joseph Smith?  Fine.   But Emerson?  I don&#8217;t think so!</p>
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		By: grundoon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grundoon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Oct 2013 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/26/jon-atack-considers-l-ron-hubbards-tangled-relationship-with-mind-altering-substances/comment-page-1/#comment-310507&quot;&gt;Mark&lt;/a&gt;.

Just a sniff wakes you right up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/26/jon-atack-considers-l-ron-hubbards-tangled-relationship-with-mind-altering-substances/comment-page-1/#comment-310507">Mark</a>.</p>
<p>Just a sniff wakes you right up.</p>
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