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		By: HappyGirl		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HappyGirl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-296241&quot;&gt;Barbara Angel&lt;/a&gt;.

No, LSD wasn&#039;t allowed.  HE was the trip!]]></description>
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<p>No, LSD wasn&#8217;t allowed.  HE was the trip!</p>
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		By: HappyGirl		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-295759&quot;&gt;AsthmaticDwarf&lt;/a&gt;.

omg, that&#039;s so true.  **embarrasssed**]]></description>
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<p>omg, that&#8217;s so true.  **embarrasssed**</p>
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		By: GalacticGreg		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GalacticGreg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2014 06:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-296178&quot;&gt;Jimmy Threetimes&lt;/a&gt;.

Jim- I could&#039;ve gone to Dodo TL, or J. Swift, or Tony O. to communicate with you on my behalf. But I didn&#039;t. I want to communicate with you directly.There were names on the list Garry put up. Your name was not revealed. Mine was. That makes things very different for you and me. I was very not okay with the reveal. As Lurkness is not ok. As Poland is not okay. Neither have been back, Poland just once I believe. As I am easily hearsayable, I stopped posting. I immediately retired Max. I even e-mailed Karen and said I was retiring Max from posting, since I had e-mailed her and Jeff about some Calif. things and people businesses and things we knew in common. I came on the Bunker to withdraw ScienolOg. I see now, by your outting me to Scientology staff reading the Bunker, that you thought I was retiring not only my handles but withdrawing from commenting as Max or anyone else. No, that is not what I meant. I intend to post- it&#039;s been an interest of mine for a long time. My intention is to continue. I wish to continue commenting, as there are things I like to critique and have been a critic since 1969. You know that I retired ScientolOg &#038; BHBeer and there were a couple laughs and some goodbyes. I believed you were sincere (maybe you were being sarcastic, I don&#039;t know) when you said, Goodbye friend. If you thought I was retiring completely and not going to post as myself, then I see now why you revealed my handle to Scientology Staff monitoring the Bunker. Now I see you either were sarcastic, or you meant it; I can&#039;t tell. But I see you may have believed I was saying I am not going to comment anymore. At all. As me with any handle. That&#039;s not how I want it. I enjoy Tony&#039;s board. But I have no intention of having my peace of mind disturbed an iota by knowing Garry&#039;s list is in the hands of some very different kind of people. Who may be more like Mike, the GO Agent and husband of Virginia, than you or I, or any Bunkeroo. I was hoping to come back and post. Not anything personal, and minor interactions with any commenters. Like Couch Incident and many other commenters who say nothing personal and interact even less with other commenters than I have been as Sam. I know you object to socks. And I see you will not stop revealing who I am. Which reveals to the Scientology staff on ESMB, WWP and the Bunker, who got Garry&#039;s list, exactly who I am. I&#039;m asking you if you can stop. I&#039;m asking can you simply leave me alone. I&#039;m asking if can let it go. I am not going to get in personal threads about anything that is not Scientology with anyone. I only want to comment on that. The other comments are distracting and of minor interest to me and I am not going to do a personal thread with anyone ever, if I can help it. I only want the comment board topic/subject to be on a thread I start with a comment, or on anyone else&#039;s thread started by their comment to which I am only posting Scientology comments to the best of my ability. I don&#039;t care about all the personal sharing that goes on now, as my real name is known. I revealed my guts using my other handles. I simply want an i.d. that is ignored by all the posters who must reveal an identity. Well, each time that happens, my real name is connected. That eliminates any chance for me to be free of the distraction of being listed, my name in the hands of people who will do incredible things - the likelihood of anything happening to such a small fish is not relevant; any chance, 1 in a million, is 1 chance to many. If this doesn&#039;t work for you, then I am asking you - (1) How can I continue posting and not be outted to Scientology by you and (2) How can I continue to post and avoid the sock puppet police from attacking me and outting me to Scientology. I&#039;m thinking of asking Jeffrey and Tony their suggestions. But since you&#039;ve already outted me to any Scientologist employee who is following the Bunker, I&#039;m asking you first. Please e-mail me at my Max handle at yahoo .com - Thanks.  (PS: as soon as can get back to me, I&#039;ll be back here to alter this post, then delete it to Guest, leaving a small footprint. Thanks again.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-296178">Jimmy Threetimes</a>.</p>
<p>Jim- I could&#8217;ve gone to Dodo TL, or J. Swift, or Tony O. to communicate with you on my behalf. But I didn&#8217;t. I want to communicate with you directly.There were names on the list Garry put up. Your name was not revealed. Mine was. That makes things very different for you and me. I was very not okay with the reveal. As Lurkness is not ok. As Poland is not okay. Neither have been back, Poland just once I believe. As I am easily hearsayable, I stopped posting. I immediately retired Max. I even e-mailed Karen and said I was retiring Max from posting, since I had e-mailed her and Jeff about some Calif. things and people businesses and things we knew in common. I came on the Bunker to withdraw ScienolOg. I see now, by your outting me to Scientology staff reading the Bunker, that you thought I was retiring not only my handles but withdrawing from commenting as Max or anyone else. No, that is not what I meant. I intend to post- it&#8217;s been an interest of mine for a long time. My intention is to continue. I wish to continue commenting, as there are things I like to critique and have been a critic since 1969. You know that I retired ScientolOg &amp; BHBeer and there were a couple laughs and some goodbyes. I believed you were sincere (maybe you were being sarcastic, I don&#8217;t know) when you said, Goodbye friend. If you thought I was retiring completely and not going to post as myself, then I see now why you revealed my handle to Scientology Staff monitoring the Bunker. Now I see you either were sarcastic, or you meant it; I can&#8217;t tell. But I see you may have believed I was saying I am not going to comment anymore. At all. As me with any handle. That&#8217;s not how I want it. I enjoy Tony&#8217;s board. But I have no intention of having my peace of mind disturbed an iota by knowing Garry&#8217;s list is in the hands of some very different kind of people. Who may be more like Mike, the GO Agent and husband of Virginia, than you or I, or any Bunkeroo. I was hoping to come back and post. Not anything personal, and minor interactions with any commenters. Like Couch Incident and many other commenters who say nothing personal and interact even less with other commenters than I have been as Sam. I know you object to socks. And I see you will not stop revealing who I am. Which reveals to the Scientology staff on ESMB, WWP and the Bunker, who got Garry&#8217;s list, exactly who I am. I&#8217;m asking you if you can stop. I&#8217;m asking can you simply leave me alone. I&#8217;m asking if can let it go. I am not going to get in personal threads about anything that is not Scientology with anyone. I only want to comment on that. The other comments are distracting and of minor interest to me and I am not going to do a personal thread with anyone ever, if I can help it. I only want the comment board topic/subject to be on a thread I start with a comment, or on anyone else&#8217;s thread started by their comment to which I am only posting Scientology comments to the best of my ability. I don&#8217;t care about all the personal sharing that goes on now, as my real name is known. I revealed my guts using my other handles. I simply want an i.d. that is ignored by all the posters who must reveal an identity. Well, each time that happens, my real name is connected. That eliminates any chance for me to be free of the distraction of being listed, my name in the hands of people who will do incredible things &#8211; the likelihood of anything happening to such a small fish is not relevant; any chance, 1 in a million, is 1 chance to many. If this doesn&#8217;t work for you, then I am asking you &#8211; (1) How can I continue posting and not be outted to Scientology by you and (2) How can I continue to post and avoid the sock puppet police from attacking me and outting me to Scientology. I&#8217;m thinking of asking Jeffrey and Tony their suggestions. But since you&#8217;ve already outted me to any Scientologist employee who is following the Bunker, I&#8217;m asking you first. Please e-mail me at my Max handle at yahoo .com &#8211; Thanks.  (PS: as soon as can get back to me, I&#8217;ll be back here to alter this post, then delete it to Guest, leaving a small footprint. Thanks again.)</p>
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		By: GlibWog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GlibWog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 23:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-314628&quot;&gt;Bella Legosi&lt;/a&gt;.

Glad you were born Bell.. xo ((HUGS))) to you too.. baby girl.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-314628">Bella Legosi</a>.</p>
<p>Glad you were born Bell.. xo ((HUGS))) to you too.. baby girl.</p>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 22:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-314626&quot;&gt;Bella Legosi&lt;/a&gt;.

YAY!  I&#039;ll email you later.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-314626">Bella Legosi</a>.</p>
<p>YAY!  I&#8217;ll email you later.</p>
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		By: Bella Legosi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bella Legosi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-296166&quot;&gt;Free Minds, Free Hearts&lt;/a&gt;.

:D Thank you!

Made it to 30! That is accomplishment in my town.....seeing as how many my age here have been put themselves thru one ringer after another!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-296166">Free Minds, Free Hearts</a>.</p>
<p>😀 Thank you!</p>
<p>Made it to 30! That is accomplishment in my town&#8230;..seeing as how many my age here have been put themselves thru one ringer after another!</p>
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		By: Bella Legosi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bella Legosi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-296288&quot;&gt;Missionary Kid&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you! Been very busy with work, have some internet connection issues still with the wifi, and well I sorta partied this last week saying good bye to my youth! Just found out I am gonna be ghetto rich this check! YAY]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-296288">Missionary Kid</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you! Been very busy with work, have some internet connection issues still with the wifi, and well I sorta partied this last week saying good bye to my youth! Just found out I am gonna be ghetto rich this check! YAY</p>
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		By: Bella Legosi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bella Legosi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2013 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-296249&quot;&gt;GlibWog&lt;/a&gt;.

Muah and hugs Glibby!

Thank you much]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-296249">GlibWog</a>.</p>
<p>Muah and hugs Glibby!</p>
<p>Thank you much</p>
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		By: Peter		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Oct 2013 16:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-296300&quot;&gt;Charlotte&lt;/a&gt;.

Bingo!  A great way to add to one&#039;s life.  It&#039;s all your game, good decisions and bad, wins and losses.  It&#039;s called &quot;taking responsibility&quot;, meaning that whatever the result, only YOU can add to the wins or correct the losses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-296300">Charlotte</a>.</p>
<p>Bingo!  A great way to add to one&#8217;s life.  It&#8217;s all your game, good decisions and bad, wins and losses.  It&#8217;s called &#8220;taking responsibility&#8221;, meaning that whatever the result, only YOU can add to the wins or correct the losses.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-297017&quot;&gt;AintMizBahavin&lt;/a&gt;.

He clearly had some deep seated issues with women, that&#039;s for sure.

His son, NIbs says he has  memory of Hubbard trying to abort another baby by his mother with there being blood al over the bed and L Ron asked him to leave... 
What a nasty piece of work Hubbard was.

L Ron. Hubbard: Adventures in Amateur Misogynist Gynecology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/17/day-after-french-defeat-scientology-handed-a-friendly-verdict-from-the-dutch/comment-page-1/#comment-297017">AintMizBahavin</a>.</p>
<p>He clearly had some deep seated issues with women, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
<p>His son, NIbs says he has  memory of Hubbard trying to abort another baby by his mother with there being blood al over the bed and L Ron asked him to leave&#8230;<br />
What a nasty piece of work Hubbard was.</p>
<p>L Ron. Hubbard: Adventures in Amateur Misogynist Gynecology.</p>
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