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	Comments on: William S. Burroughs and Scientology: Setting the Record Straight	</title>
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		By: ahkang		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Two principles are often missed among critics of things like Scientology. One is that a bright, insightful thinker who is a willing student (but a less disciplined critic) can easily &#039;read in&#039; to a text brilliance and insight that is their own, and thus overly appreciate what the information offers. The other is cognitive dissonance. Both are remediable with time and experience, but the latter usually requires a major shock to bring into focus. Thus we see that the large number of former high-level members of Scientology &quot;saw the light&quot; only after some very traumatic event. I think it is to Burroughs&#039; credit as a thinker and critic that he saw through things on his own, so to speak.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two principles are often missed among critics of things like Scientology. One is that a bright, insightful thinker who is a willing student (but a less disciplined critic) can easily &#8216;read in&#8217; to a text brilliance and insight that is their own, and thus overly appreciate what the information offers. The other is cognitive dissonance. Both are remediable with time and experience, but the latter usually requires a major shock to bring into focus. Thus we see that the large number of former high-level members of Scientology &#8220;saw the light&#8221; only after some very traumatic event. I think it is to Burroughs&#8217; credit as a thinker and critic that he saw through things on his own, so to speak.</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2014 00:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Tony, 

Late to the game and I don&#039;t know if you check back at all, but I would have liked to know what errors in his understanding of Scientology you picked up on. 

I picked on quite a few, from the trivial to the surprisingly substantial (his idea that Burrough&#039;s had no respect for Hubbard because he referred to him as &#039;Ron&#039; in letters and to friends, whereas every Scilon did so as well, for example)...
Overall, I found it educational and quite well-written and researched (if a bit thinly researched at times). His scholarship is not in question. It simply showed me yet again how huge the subject is, and how daunting it is for any newcomer....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Tony, </p>
<p>Late to the game and I don&#8217;t know if you check back at all, but I would have liked to know what errors in his understanding of Scientology you picked up on. </p>
<p>I picked on quite a few, from the trivial to the surprisingly substantial (his idea that Burrough&#8217;s had no respect for Hubbard because he referred to him as &#8216;Ron&#8217; in letters and to friends, whereas every Scilon did so as well, for example)&#8230;<br />
Overall, I found it educational and quite well-written and researched (if a bit thinly researched at times). His scholarship is not in question. It simply showed me yet again how huge the subject is, and how daunting it is for any newcomer&#8230;.</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2014 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve now read this book and highly recommend it, especially to fans of Burrough&#039;s work. Others may have a bit of trouble trying to digest Burroughs and Hubbard at the same time... It is nice to see this heretofore relatively unexplored (though by no means secret) aspect of WmSB&#039;s life explored.For most his involvement in Scientology seems to have been summed up by &quot;Ali&#039;s Smile/Naked Scientology&quot; and appears to have been a brief flirtation. Instead, he encouraged all the other &#039;Beats&#039; to get involved and was himself for nearly a decade (during which he went clear and nearly OT)... Even after,t he concepts and terminology became part of his style and world view.

Fascinating... A case study of how one can be cultivated, talented (even visionary), intelligent and still be a sucker for this hoo-hah.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve now read this book and highly recommend it, especially to fans of Burrough&#8217;s work. Others may have a bit of trouble trying to digest Burroughs and Hubbard at the same time&#8230; It is nice to see this heretofore relatively unexplored (though by no means secret) aspect of WmSB&#8217;s life explored.For most his involvement in Scientology seems to have been summed up by &#8220;Ali&#8217;s Smile/Naked Scientology&#8221; and appears to have been a brief flirtation. Instead, he encouraged all the other &#8216;Beats&#8217; to get involved and was himself for nearly a decade (during which he went clear and nearly OT)&#8230; Even after,t he concepts and terminology became part of his style and world view.</p>
<p>Fascinating&#8230; A case study of how one can be cultivated, talented (even visionary), intelligent and still be a sucker for this hoo-hah.</p>
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		By: Aaron Zilch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron Zilch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/08/william-s-burroughs-and-scientology-setting-the-record-straight/comment-page-1/#comment-499139&quot;&gt;Aaron Zilch&lt;/a&gt;.

http://www.webcomicsnation.com/rscarbonneau/parsons/series.php?view=single&#038;ID=112658]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/08/william-s-burroughs-and-scientology-setting-the-record-straight/comment-page-1/#comment-499139">Aaron Zilch</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.webcomicsnation.com/rscarbonneau/parsons/series.php?view=single&#038;ID=112658" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.webcomicsnation.com/rscarbonneau/parsons/series.php?view=single&#038;ID=112658</a></p>
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		By: Aaron Zilch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron Zilch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2014 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think there might be some confusion between Burroughs being inspired by LRH ideas, and the more likely reality that Burroughs was inspired by where LRH stole those ideas from….]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there might be some confusion between Burroughs being inspired by LRH ideas, and the more likely reality that Burroughs was inspired by where LRH stole those ideas from….</p>
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		By: WhatWall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WhatWall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/08/william-s-burroughs-and-scientology-setting-the-record-straight/comment-page-1/#comment-283710&quot;&gt;Exterrier&lt;/a&gt;.

Seeking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/08/william-s-burroughs-and-scientology-setting-the-record-straight/comment-page-1/#comment-283710">Exterrier</a>.</p>
<p>Seeking.</p>
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		By: WhatWall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WhatWall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/08/william-s-burroughs-and-scientology-setting-the-record-straight/comment-page-1/#comment-282213&quot;&gt;WhatWall&lt;/a&gt;.

Posted in wrong place.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/08/william-s-burroughs-and-scientology-setting-the-record-straight/comment-page-1/#comment-282213">WhatWall</a>.</p>
<p>Posted in wrong place.</p>
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		By: Charles Chadwick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Chadwick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/08/william-s-burroughs-and-scientology-setting-the-record-straight/comment-page-1/#comment-281355&quot;&gt;Silence of the Clams&lt;/a&gt;.

Honestly, I think you&#039;re right, and many more religions are guilty of this. People are human, and human beings always have a &quot;ruin,&quot; no matter how mentally sound one thinks he/she may be. We are all vulnerable...even so-called skeptics and atheists. And Burroughs lived in Scientology&#039;s early years, where not as much was known publicly about its harsh inner workings and bizarre beliefs, the hypocrisy and psychopathy of its founder, etc. Scientology had a much better ability to shield itself from public inquiry, and keep its image somewhat squeaky clean. Unless of course you lived in Clearwater or some such place where the surreal constant pacing of sea org members around town hinted at something creepier. And mind you, the previous mention of religion doesn&#039;t apply to Scientology...they are a religion for show. More of a for profit self-help corporation in my opinion...a set of beliefs. It has transformed itself over the last 60 odd years from self-help, to psychotherapy, to quack medicine, to religion, and now a bizarre mix of all of those things...a bent up simulation. A simulation that has been in a slow process of unraveling for a long time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/08/william-s-burroughs-and-scientology-setting-the-record-straight/comment-page-1/#comment-281355">Silence of the Clams</a>.</p>
<p>Honestly, I think you&#8217;re right, and many more religions are guilty of this. People are human, and human beings always have a &#8220;ruin,&#8221; no matter how mentally sound one thinks he/she may be. We are all vulnerable&#8230;even so-called skeptics and atheists. And Burroughs lived in Scientology&#8217;s early years, where not as much was known publicly about its harsh inner workings and bizarre beliefs, the hypocrisy and psychopathy of its founder, etc. Scientology had a much better ability to shield itself from public inquiry, and keep its image somewhat squeaky clean. Unless of course you lived in Clearwater or some such place where the surreal constant pacing of sea org members around town hinted at something creepier. And mind you, the previous mention of religion doesn&#8217;t apply to Scientology&#8230;they are a religion for show. More of a for profit self-help corporation in my opinion&#8230;a set of beliefs. It has transformed itself over the last 60 odd years from self-help, to psychotherapy, to quack medicine, to religion, and now a bizarre mix of all of those things&#8230;a bent up simulation. A simulation that has been in a slow process of unraveling for a long time.</p>
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		By: Kathy Nather		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kathy Nather]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2013 18:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/08/william-s-burroughs-and-scientology-setting-the-record-straight/comment-page-1/#comment-282023&quot;&gt;ThetaBara&lt;/a&gt;.

Burroughs was gay. He had no use for women. So what?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/08/william-s-burroughs-and-scientology-setting-the-record-straight/comment-page-1/#comment-282023">ThetaBara</a>.</p>
<p>Burroughs was gay. He had no use for women. So what?</p>
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		By: InTheNameOfXenu		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[InTheNameOfXenu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Oct 2013 15:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/08/william-s-burroughs-and-scientology-setting-the-record-straight/comment-page-1/#comment-281457&quot;&gt;John P.&lt;/a&gt;.

There are zero intellectuals in Scientology. If one happens to join, they don&#039;t stay very long because an intellectual will see the bullshit early on and walk away. I&#039;m not shinning a light up my ass but I&#039;ve been told by some that I am intellec. I guess that&#039;s the reason why I didn&#039;t stay involved with the cult for very long. 


What kept many people in the cult were attachments. I made no attachments except for a good friend and the rest on my family and friends were never involved. Alas, on a good note that one good friend in the cult left it shortly after I did and he was in it for 13 years. I can give myself credit for helping him see what what really going on. He knew things weren&#039;t what they seemed but he needed validation from someone he could trust. Being in Scientology was equivalent to living in a communist country. There was always someone watching and listening for any dissent and report them. My parents originated from a communist country and the stories they told me of the &#039;chivatos&#039; on every block spying on you was eerily similar to the knowledge reports and ethics officers of Scientology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/10/08/william-s-burroughs-and-scientology-setting-the-record-straight/comment-page-1/#comment-281457">John P.</a>.</p>
<p>There are zero intellectuals in Scientology. If one happens to join, they don&#8217;t stay very long because an intellectual will see the bullshit early on and walk away. I&#8217;m not shinning a light up my ass but I&#8217;ve been told by some that I am intellec. I guess that&#8217;s the reason why I didn&#8217;t stay involved with the cult for very long. </p>
<p>What kept many people in the cult were attachments. I made no attachments except for a good friend and the rest on my family and friends were never involved. Alas, on a good note that one good friend in the cult left it shortly after I did and he was in it for 13 years. I can give myself credit for helping him see what what really going on. He knew things weren&#8217;t what they seemed but he needed validation from someone he could trust. Being in Scientology was equivalent to living in a communist country. There was always someone watching and listening for any dissent and report them. My parents originated from a communist country and the stories they told me of the &#8216;chivatos&#8217; on every block spying on you was eerily similar to the knowledge reports and ethics officers of Scientology.</p>
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