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		By: Kaarli Makela		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kaarli Makela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2017 01:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/20/scientology-makes-the-grade-touching-walls-to-total-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-203420&quot;&gt;Espiando&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s catchy ... like the clap!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/20/scientology-makes-the-grade-touching-walls-to-total-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-203420">Espiando</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s catchy &#8230; like the clap!</p>
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		By: Kaarli Makela		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kaarli Makela]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2017 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/20/scientology-makes-the-grade-touching-walls-to-total-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-203236&quot;&gt;OTVIIIisGrrr8!&lt;/a&gt;.

So do you put a dial spinner on there like in Twister?
But I see 12 divisions created around the outside - like 12 months?
Is that like Scientological Astrology then?
- Nattering Never-Ins - &#039;We are here! We are trying!&#039;
Membership so far: Me.  :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/20/scientology-makes-the-grade-touching-walls-to-total-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-203236">OTVIIIisGrrr8!</a>.</p>
<p>So do you put a dial spinner on there like in Twister?<br />
But I see 12 divisions created around the outside &#8211; like 12 months?<br />
Is that like Scientological Astrology then?<br />
&#8211; Nattering Never-Ins &#8211; &#8216;We are here! We are trying!&#8217;<br />
Membership so far: Me.  🙂</p>
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		By: Steve Bazemore		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Bazemore]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Objectives was where I said enoughs enough in Narconon. I said forget this, they are trying to brainwash me! I argued with the Ethics officer for a couple of hours, who was trying to convince me to stay and that they were the only ones that could help me. Eventually they gave up and told me either I could spend $300 to go to a halfway house or they could dump me in a homeless shelter. I chose the halfway house, and the week I spent there I was decompressing from the 3 months I spent at narconon. Three months of brainwashing took a week to recooperate, so I could only imagine the folks who have spent years upon years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Objectives was where I said enoughs enough in Narconon. I said forget this, they are trying to brainwash me! I argued with the Ethics officer for a couple of hours, who was trying to convince me to stay and that they were the only ones that could help me. Eventually they gave up and told me either I could spend $300 to go to a halfway house or they could dump me in a homeless shelter. I chose the halfway house, and the week I spent there I was decompressing from the 3 months I spent at narconon. Three months of brainwashing took a week to recooperate, so I could only imagine the folks who have spent years upon years.</p>
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		By: maranathasoon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[maranathasoon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 17:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/20/scientology-makes-the-grade-touching-walls-to-total-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-203112&quot;&gt;Jefferson Hawkins&lt;/a&gt;.

Absolutely right on Jeff! You popped the bubble. This whole thought control process is a cat chasing it&#039;s tail, like every other &quot;self improvement&quot; technique or process. The only difference with Scientology is that they have incorporated all the thrills of belonging to a mind control cult.


Plus it&#039;s simultaneously a Ponzi/multi level marketing scheme where the newest members attempt to bring in newer members to be fleeced from their money. And they have swindled their way into being a tax exempt organization. Miscavige should be arrested and jailed just as were Hubbard (I know, he flew the coop before they could nail him) and the original founders of this scam.


Dave]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/20/scientology-makes-the-grade-touching-walls-to-total-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-203112">Jefferson Hawkins</a>.</p>
<p>Absolutely right on Jeff! You popped the bubble. This whole thought control process is a cat chasing it&#8217;s tail, like every other &#8220;self improvement&#8221; technique or process. The only difference with Scientology is that they have incorporated all the thrills of belonging to a mind control cult.</p>
<p>Plus it&#8217;s simultaneously a Ponzi/multi level marketing scheme where the newest members attempt to bring in newer members to be fleeced from their money. And they have swindled their way into being a tax exempt organization. Miscavige should be arrested and jailed just as were Hubbard (I know, he flew the coop before they could nail him) and the original founders of this scam.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		By: maranathasoon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[maranathasoon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Oct 2013 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is not a religion. Religion seeks to find God, the Creator of the universe. Has anybody here looked at the First Cause argument? If you haven&#039;t, then please look it up on the web. This is the basis of any religion, that the Big Bang or whatever you attribute as the cause of the creation of the universe, had to be preceded by a greater force.


Scientology, as I see it from the outside, is merely a thought control process that you place between yourself and everything else. It seems to me that it&#039;s the polar opposite of truly experiencing life, it&#039;s joys and wonder.


Dave]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a religion. Religion seeks to find God, the Creator of the universe. Has anybody here looked at the First Cause argument? If you haven&#8217;t, then please look it up on the web. This is the basis of any religion, that the Big Bang or whatever you attribute as the cause of the creation of the universe, had to be preceded by a greater force.</p>
<p>Scientology, as I see it from the outside, is merely a thought control process that you place between yourself and everything else. It seems to me that it&#8217;s the polar opposite of truly experiencing life, it&#8217;s joys and wonder.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		By: jeff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2013 00:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/20/scientology-makes-the-grade-touching-walls-to-total-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-203232&quot;&gt;Jefferson Hawkins&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, I just bought the book on Amazon.  I have been lurking here for a few days...was routed here after watching a recommended Youtube video with Tony on it by TheLipTV.  After an intensive several week-long dive down the rabbit hole of trying to figure out the appeal of Scientology...I am very cult wary, but at the same time have been fascinated by cults.   I still don&#039;t get the attraction of Scientology, and from all the videos I have seen of L Ron Hubbard, I don&#039;t see any charisma.  But more upsetting to me, is the crimes that they are committing all whilst hiding behind the cloak of religion, tagging every critic as a religious bigot.  I hope your book will provide some further insight.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/20/scientology-makes-the-grade-touching-walls-to-total-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-203232">Jefferson Hawkins</a>.</p>
<p>Well, I just bought the book on Amazon.  I have been lurking here for a few days&#8230;was routed here after watching a recommended Youtube video with Tony on it by TheLipTV.  After an intensive several week-long dive down the rabbit hole of trying to figure out the appeal of Scientology&#8230;I am very cult wary, but at the same time have been fascinated by cults.   I still don&#8217;t get the attraction of Scientology, and from all the videos I have seen of L Ron Hubbard, I don&#8217;t see any charisma.  But more upsetting to me, is the crimes that they are committing all whilst hiding behind the cloak of religion, tagging every critic as a religious bigot.  I hope your book will provide some further insight.</p>
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		By: deanblair		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Aug 2013 11:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scientology is too expensive.  I would rather use the money for something much more fun.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientology is too expensive.  I would rather use the money for something much more fun.</p>
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		By: Tron Javolta		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tron Javolta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2013 14:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/20/scientology-makes-the-grade-touching-walls-to-total-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-203931&quot;&gt;WhereIsSHE&lt;/a&gt;.

Where&#039;s the &#039;bankrupt&#039; segment though?  Waitaminute... IT&#039;S ALL ONE BIG &#039;BANKRUPT&#039;!!!!  Aaaarrghhh!!!!!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/20/scientology-makes-the-grade-touching-walls-to-total-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-203931">WhereIsSHE</a>.</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s the &#8216;bankrupt&#8217; segment though?  Waitaminute&#8230; IT&#8217;S ALL ONE BIG &#8216;BANKRUPT&#8217;!!!!  Aaaarrghhh!!!!!!!!</p>
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		By: phronsie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[phronsie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/20/scientology-makes-the-grade-touching-walls-to-total-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-203539&quot;&gt;dbloch7986&lt;/a&gt;.

So sad.  :(  Poor guy; after pouring so many years and so much of his substance into this, what else can he do but subsume himself into this hyped reality, to giving this overblown testimonial to justify to himself and to others that it really was worth it to find out Hubbard&#039;s whole cosmology is just bad science fiction.  Afterwards, he was too &quot;embarrassed&quot; to be seen, too overcome by what he&#039;d learned to want anyone to see him; I&#039;m sure it took a good few hours for him to massage his world view into rationalizing his grand entry into OT VIII as something more than a gyp and a big mind-rape. I can well imagine he had tears running down his face. :(


Do you think maybe they really still use the Xenu story after all the public hype? Is it possible they&#039;ve actually after all this time replaced it with just some more double think psycho-babble or some pretentious koan to save face and refute the rumors?  &quot;Oooh!  OT VIII and I&#039;ve learned &#039;the egg is both inside and outside and truth is of the egg!!&#039; So saith LRH!!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/20/scientology-makes-the-grade-touching-walls-to-total-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-203539">dbloch7986</a>.</p>
<p>So sad.  🙁  Poor guy; after pouring so many years and so much of his substance into this, what else can he do but subsume himself into this hyped reality, to giving this overblown testimonial to justify to himself and to others that it really was worth it to find out Hubbard&#8217;s whole cosmology is just bad science fiction.  Afterwards, he was too &#8220;embarrassed&#8221; to be seen, too overcome by what he&#8217;d learned to want anyone to see him; I&#8217;m sure it took a good few hours for him to massage his world view into rationalizing his grand entry into OT VIII as something more than a gyp and a big mind-rape. I can well imagine he had tears running down his face. 🙁</p>
<p>Do you think maybe they really still use the Xenu story after all the public hype? Is it possible they&#8217;ve actually after all this time replaced it with just some more double think psycho-babble or some pretentious koan to save face and refute the rumors?  &#8220;Oooh!  OT VIII and I&#8217;ve learned &#8216;the egg is both inside and outside and truth is of the egg!!&#8217; So saith LRH!!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Phil de Fontenay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil de Fontenay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Aug 2013 06:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/20/scientology-makes-the-grade-touching-walls-to-total-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-205376&quot;&gt;DodoTheLaser&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes definitely!


Remember Grade 2? Wow!!! ~lol


And that friggin&#039; Joburg Confessional. How to make people realize they are far worse than they thought they were. A button that is regularly pushed by management. Great trick for making people &quot;more agreeable&quot; ~lol


Cheers!


Phil]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/20/scientology-makes-the-grade-touching-walls-to-total-freedom/comment-page-1/#comment-205376">DodoTheLaser</a>.</p>
<p>Yes definitely!</p>
<p>Remember Grade 2? Wow!!! ~lol</p>
<p>And that friggin&#8217; Joburg Confessional. How to make people realize they are far worse than they thought they were. A button that is regularly pushed by management. Great trick for making people &#8220;more agreeable&#8221; ~lol</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>Phil</p>
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