KFC, KSW, it’s all the same, right? The Universe is One, my friend.

In 1966, a psychiatrist told me the exact same thing. He said, “Reality is what we agree is real.”

Not defending Hubbard. Just wanted you to know your argument needs a bit more thought.

John P. you are a very smart person and a very active blogger. To me this shows that you are brave and with good intentions.

Gravity once might not exist. And then just the notion of gravity might come in someone’s mind (of course I am talking about things that happened elsewhere and far back probably in other galactic systems).

See, the internet didn’t exist some years ago. Someone gets the idea, some agree to it in the beginning, then more and more agree and now the masses are on the internet and it cannot be unmocked. It’s real. But some years ago if you said this to someone, that communication through Greece and the US would be feasible in writing instantly, they would think you are crazy.

That’s how new realities are formed.

Oh, yes and “physical” laws are no exceptions except that those realities were formed loooooong ago and it’s a “bit, just a tiny bit” harder to undo as agreements in our current state.

No, no, no… see it can be interpreted like that but that is not really feasible just like that. (and I don’t know at which level it would be feasible).

Scientology operates on gradients, step by step progress. To my knowledge there is no human being not even a scientologist who can do that.

Hubbard has delivered many lectures and in the upper lectures he definitely said things that might sound crazy to non initiated people.

But Hubbard defined Reality as follows in the Tech Dictionary which is even for people who start scientology:

REALITY, 1. is, here on earth, agreement as to what is. This does not prevent

barriers or time from being formidably real. It does not mean either that space,

energy or time are illusions. It is as one knows it is. (COHA, p. 249) That’s from the book Creation of Human Ability.

I hope this clarifies things.

Similarly, gravity is just a theory, so one can do an imitation of Wile E. Coyote in the Roadrunner cartoons at will if one has simply managed to harness enough Sooper Powerz of OT-ness.

Earlier you posted this quote, “[…]the solidity of the MEST universe is completely dependent upon one’s acceptance of it in terms of agreement”.

It seems to me that Hubbard is saying that the solidity of matter (which includes walls) depends only on you accepting a general agreement that it is solid.

In other words, Hubbard is saying you are wrong – you can walk through walls if only you persuade enough people that this can be done…

Thank you for your answer

If I understand correctly:

You believe that Thetans have no special powers over the material world – but, if there are enough of them working together, they can knock down walls and change the way a whole society sees the world – this is what you mean by “changing reality”.