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	Comments on: Episcopal Church Objects to Being Included in Supreme Court Brief Supporting Scientology	</title>
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		By: N. Graham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[N. Graham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Aug 2013 21:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-201865&quot;&gt;cicely neville&lt;/a&gt;.

You never know what is going to work and what isn&#039;t.  It&#039;s easy to get discouraged when doing pr work like this but you hung in there and it worked!  Good job!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-201865">cicely neville</a>.</p>
<p>You never know what is going to work and what isn&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s easy to get discouraged when doing pr work like this but you hung in there and it worked!  Good job!</p>
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		By: cicely neville		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cicely neville]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-198217&quot;&gt;N. Graham&lt;/a&gt;.

I know this is an old thread and no one will see it, but I just realized this was directed at me .  Graham, I didn&#039;t do anything heroic!   So  i wrote an e-mail to my own Presiding Bishop; it took a few minutes of my time.  I&#039;d like to be a hero, but i know I&#039;m not the type.  It was no more than my duty to speak up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-198217">N. Graham</a>.</p>
<p>I know this is an old thread and no one will see it, but I just realized this was directed at me .  Graham, I didn&#8217;t do anything heroic!   So  i wrote an e-mail to my own Presiding Bishop; it took a few minutes of my time.  I&#8217;d like to be a hero, but i know I&#8217;m not the type.  It was no more than my duty to speak up.</p>
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		By: Mrs Libnish		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mrs Libnish]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2013 00:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-198234&quot;&gt;Bella Legosi&lt;/a&gt;.

I think the shrews are smaller with pointier noses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-198234">Bella Legosi</a>.</p>
<p>I think the shrews are smaller with pointier noses.</p>
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		By: L. C. Spencer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[L. C. Spencer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 21:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-197890&quot;&gt;DamOTclese2&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;NCC cult&quot;? It looks as though you&#039;re implying that the National Council of Churches is a cult, but I must be reading that wrong. Could you clarify?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-197890">DamOTclese2</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;NCC cult&#8221;? It looks as though you&#8217;re implying that the National Council of Churches is a cult, but I must be reading that wrong. Could you clarify?</p>
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		By: Theo Sismanides		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-199278</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Theo Sismanides]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On this issue, guys, we stand side by side. It looks like though some people here are much more active than many ex-es would be. I am talking about the subject of enforced abortions on Sea Org members. Nevertheless, many Sea Org members have had a horrible time and lost their children in DM&#039;s insanity and I want to thank you all for what you are doing about this.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On this issue, guys, we stand side by side. It looks like though some people here are much more active than many ex-es would be. I am talking about the subject of enforced abortions on Sea Org members. Nevertheless, many Sea Org members have had a horrible time and lost their children in DM&#8217;s insanity and I want to thank you all for what you are doing about this.</p>
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		By: Theo Sismanides		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Theo Sismanides]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 12:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-197838&quot;&gt;cicely neville&lt;/a&gt;.

Great for writing to the Episcopal church about this issue. Thanks so much!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-197838">cicely neville</a>.</p>
<p>Great for writing to the Episcopal church about this issue. Thanks so much!!!</p>
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		By: Robert Eckert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Eckert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-199238&quot;&gt;Bella Legosi&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah:  the real Barnabas was a perfectly orthodox fellow, but some literature was written in his name which, as the book you were reading discussed, explained away most of Judaism as &quot;It&#039;s a metaphor!&quot; so that Christianity could do a total reboot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-199238">Bella Legosi</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah:  the real Barnabas was a perfectly orthodox fellow, but some literature was written in his name which, as the book you were reading discussed, explained away most of Judaism as &#8220;It&#8217;s a metaphor!&#8221; so that Christianity could do a total reboot.</p>
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		By: Bella Legosi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bella Legosi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 08:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-198395&quot;&gt;Robert Eckert&lt;/a&gt;.

Barbabas may have been the heretic that was mentioned in the book I am reading (I left it at my other house). However, I do recall the discussion leaning more toward a brand of early Christianity that thought that Judaism really had no relevance after Christ&#039;s crucifixion.

I didn&#039;t start reading intensely until I hit my freshman year of high school, which I was holed up in Alaska (not much to do in the winter when you are poor). Before that I watched a lot of educational TV (it wasn&#039;t nearly as dumbed downed back in the day. History actually had real history shows, NOT Pickers, Diggers, or Ancient Aliens). When it came to WWII history or anything relating to movies (actors, directors, producers, studios/distributors) I would be a mini trivial pursuit who won a lot of bets with those older than me!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-198395">Robert Eckert</a>.</p>
<p>Barbabas may have been the heretic that was mentioned in the book I am reading (I left it at my other house). However, I do recall the discussion leaning more toward a brand of early Christianity that thought that Judaism really had no relevance after Christ&#8217;s crucifixion.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t start reading intensely until I hit my freshman year of high school, which I was holed up in Alaska (not much to do in the winter when you are poor). Before that I watched a lot of educational TV (it wasn&#8217;t nearly as dumbed downed back in the day. History actually had real history shows, NOT Pickers, Diggers, or Ancient Aliens). When it came to WWII history or anything relating to movies (actors, directors, producers, studios/distributors) I would be a mini trivial pursuit who won a lot of bets with those older than me!</p>
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		By: Douglas D. Douglas		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Douglas D. Douglas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 19:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-198258&quot;&gt;Bella Legosi&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Witnessing&quot; is an important aspect of many religions. How it is done, and where, is another thing entirely.


Leaving tracts lying around annoys me. I suppose it is the least offensive way to witness-- after all, no one has to pick one up and read it. It just strikes me as so passive-aggressive.


Approaching people is OK by me, as long as it is done in a friendly and respectful way. If someone is not interested, there should be no pursuit.


The workplace really is tricky. If it comes up in conversation, or someone asks, it should be fine. Again, if someone is not interested, there should be no pursuit. And at no time should a superior make an approach. There&#039;s too much possibility for abuse.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-198258">Bella Legosi</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Witnessing&#8221; is an important aspect of many religions. How it is done, and where, is another thing entirely.</p>
<p>Leaving tracts lying around annoys me. I suppose it is the least offensive way to witness&#8211; after all, no one has to pick one up and read it. It just strikes me as so passive-aggressive.</p>
<p>Approaching people is OK by me, as long as it is done in a friendly and respectful way. If someone is not interested, there should be no pursuit.</p>
<p>The workplace really is tricky. If it comes up in conversation, or someone asks, it should be fine. Again, if someone is not interested, there should be no pursuit. And at no time should a superior make an approach. There&#8217;s too much possibility for abuse.</p>
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		By: Rob Kline		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Kline]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 18:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-197945&quot;&gt;Rob Kline&lt;/a&gt;.

I can&#039;t imagine the cult not taking advantage of this ruling in some way.  I think it may have chilling effects on suits against the church at some point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/14/episcopal-church-objects-to-being-included-in-supreme-court-brief-supporting-scientology/comment-page-1/#comment-197945">Rob Kline</a>.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine the cult not taking advantage of this ruling in some way.  I think it may have chilling effects on suits against the church at some point.</p>
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