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		By: Synthia Fagen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Synthia Fagen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/12/this-is-the-sound-of-scientologys-forced-disconnection/comment-page-1/#comment-196089&quot;&gt;monkeyknickers&lt;/a&gt;.

LOL...never saw this before. Thanks!]]></description>
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<p>LOL&#8230;never saw this before. Thanks!</p>
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		By: Serai 1		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Serai 1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Aug 2013 05:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Way back in the 70&#039;s, when walking along Hollywood Blvd., a friend and I
decided to go into the Scientology place and take one of those tests, just for
schits and giggles. It was creepy. The guy who sat me down literally behaved
like a robot - his voice had this flat lack of affect, and he did that
eyes-first-then-head kind of movement that you see Ahnult doing in &quot;The
Terminator&quot;. I took the test, and then this guy took me into a cubicle and
told me how the test &quot;shows us that you are...*robotic head movement*...a
loser.&quot; I&#039;ll never forget that. I know I keep saying this, but it really
was just like being scolded by Robbie the Robot. I had a really hard time
keeping in my laughter as he went on to tell me what all my &quot;loser&quot;
problems were, and how they could all be solved if I would just sign up for
this course...which of course cost far more money than I would even consider
giving these weird, weird people. I flat out refused, and after some poking and
prodding, the guy let me go. I met my friend outside, who reported almost
exactly the same thing, and we cracked up wondering just how this could EVER
work on anybody.

I grew up about three blocks from the big Scientology complex on Fountain
Ave., so I&#039;ve seen this robot army since I was a kid, when they took over the
old hospital complex and turned it into a freaky temple of Weird. (It&#039;s
especially weird at night, when they light that enormous blue SCIENTOLOGY sign
on the top that makes the whole building look like a block of ice. Seriously,
it reminds of nothing so much as the Overlook Hotel from Stephen King&#039;s
&quot;The Shining&quot;.) I&#039;ve watched as they slowly took over the whole
neighborhood, filling the houses with their minions and buying out all the
businesses. (New York George, your pastrami sandwiches and chocolate egg creams
are sorely missed!) 

In the 80&#039;s, my (ex-)husband worked for a couple of Scientologists (he
didn&#039;t know they were when they hired him) and one day he was asked to go to
the complex to drop off some papers. He asked me if I wanted to come along, and
I said, &quot;Are you kidding? HELL YEAH.&quot; Oh boy, was it ever creepy.
First of all, these people have security guards badgering people ON THE STREET.
A public street, which they certainly do not own, yet there they are, as if it
were a feudal kingdom. We went into the main building, and while my husband did
his thing with the papers, I got to look around the waiting area. There was a
TV showing Lord L.Ron in a suit with that ridiculous pseudo-Navy braided thing
over his chest, desultorily nattering about something or other - it sounded
like pure insane babbling to my untrained ears, of course. What impressed me
was how utterly dispirited and drained and sick he looked. (Later on, the
sci-fi author Norman Spinrad, who had known Hubbard back in his salad days,
told me about how weird it was to watch him go insane the way he did.) The
other thing was WEIRDED ME OUT was The Office - a precise replica of Hubbard&#039;s
private office, roped off with red velvet, with the door ajar so the faithful
could peek in and worship the Sacred Diorama. Apparently there is one of these
in every Scientology center on Earth. THAT was seriously freaky. We had some
fun later on breaking the experience down and trying to decide what was
strangest and most unsettling about the whole thing. OY.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way back in the 70&#8217;s, when walking along Hollywood Blvd., a friend and I<br />
decided to go into the Scientology place and take one of those tests, just for<br />
schits and giggles. It was creepy. The guy who sat me down literally behaved<br />
like a robot &#8211; his voice had this flat lack of affect, and he did that<br />
eyes-first-then-head kind of movement that you see Ahnult doing in &#8220;The<br />
Terminator&#8221;. I took the test, and then this guy took me into a cubicle and<br />
told me how the test &#8220;shows us that you are&#8230;*robotic head movement*&#8230;a<br />
loser.&#8221; I&#8217;ll never forget that. I know I keep saying this, but it really<br />
was just like being scolded by Robbie the Robot. I had a really hard time<br />
keeping in my laughter as he went on to tell me what all my &#8220;loser&#8221;<br />
problems were, and how they could all be solved if I would just sign up for<br />
this course&#8230;which of course cost far more money than I would even consider<br />
giving these weird, weird people. I flat out refused, and after some poking and<br />
prodding, the guy let me go. I met my friend outside, who reported almost<br />
exactly the same thing, and we cracked up wondering just how this could EVER<br />
work on anybody.</p>
<p>I grew up about three blocks from the big Scientology complex on Fountain<br />
Ave., so I&#8217;ve seen this robot army since I was a kid, when they took over the<br />
old hospital complex and turned it into a freaky temple of Weird. (It&#8217;s<br />
especially weird at night, when they light that enormous blue SCIENTOLOGY sign<br />
on the top that makes the whole building look like a block of ice. Seriously,<br />
it reminds of nothing so much as the Overlook Hotel from Stephen King&#8217;s<br />
&#8220;The Shining&#8221;.) I&#8217;ve watched as they slowly took over the whole<br />
neighborhood, filling the houses with their minions and buying out all the<br />
businesses. (New York George, your pastrami sandwiches and chocolate egg creams<br />
are sorely missed!) </p>
<p>In the 80&#8217;s, my (ex-)husband worked for a couple of Scientologists (he<br />
didn&#8217;t know they were when they hired him) and one day he was asked to go to<br />
the complex to drop off some papers. He asked me if I wanted to come along, and<br />
I said, &#8220;Are you kidding? HELL YEAH.&#8221; Oh boy, was it ever creepy.<br />
First of all, these people have security guards badgering people ON THE STREET.<br />
A public street, which they certainly do not own, yet there they are, as if it<br />
were a feudal kingdom. We went into the main building, and while my husband did<br />
his thing with the papers, I got to look around the waiting area. There was a<br />
TV showing Lord L.Ron in a suit with that ridiculous pseudo-Navy braided thing<br />
over his chest, desultorily nattering about something or other &#8211; it sounded<br />
like pure insane babbling to my untrained ears, of course. What impressed me<br />
was how utterly dispirited and drained and sick he looked. (Later on, the<br />
sci-fi author Norman Spinrad, who had known Hubbard back in his salad days,<br />
told me about how weird it was to watch him go insane the way he did.) The<br />
other thing was WEIRDED ME OUT was The Office &#8211; a precise replica of Hubbard&#8217;s<br />
private office, roped off with red velvet, with the door ajar so the faithful<br />
could peek in and worship the Sacred Diorama. Apparently there is one of these<br />
in every Scientology center on Earth. THAT was seriously freaky. We had some<br />
fun later on breaking the experience down and trying to decide what was<br />
strangest and most unsettling about the whole thing. OY.</p>
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		By: MissCandle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MissCandle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2013 00:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/12/this-is-the-sound-of-scientologys-forced-disconnection/comment-page-1/#comment-196162&quot;&gt;Cher&lt;/a&gt;.

Cher,
Thank you for sharing your insight and expertise.  
I will definitely read the book you recommend.  Thanks.]]></description>
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<p>Cher,<br />
Thank you for sharing your insight and expertise.<br />
I will definitely read the book you recommend.  Thanks.</p>
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		By: lisacarolfremont		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[lisacarolfremont]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 07:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/12/this-is-the-sound-of-scientologys-forced-disconnection/comment-page-1/#comment-195668&quot;&gt;TheHoleDoesNotExist&lt;/a&gt;.

HoleDNE: Thank you for reminding us that while it&#039;s difficult to make tough life choices it&#039;s not impossible to do the right thing for ourselves and loved ones.  I love your words so much.

From past experience, I know that fear is a powerful emotion and it can immobilize our ability to make critical decisions and keep us trapped in a hell of our own choosing.  Each day in fear is a day wasted wondering and agonizing about how afraid we are to leave.

Realizing that I was more afraid to stay than leave was a revelation for me.  ( not in scientology but an equally dangerous situation)  It took awhile, but I finally saw that my future would continue in misery and only get worse if I stayed and this stark reality terrified me and lit a fire in my soul which overpowered my fear of leaving and I reached out for help.   Strangers who helped me soon became friends and I live and breath today because of them, God, my family and spouse of over 20 years.  

As for friends and family, and all those we care about, they all do matter and no church, organization, government or any other human being has the right to suggest otherwise by policy, influence, fear tactics or physical intimidation.  We all deserve to be loved!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/12/this-is-the-sound-of-scientologys-forced-disconnection/comment-page-1/#comment-195668">TheHoleDoesNotExist</a>.</p>
<p>HoleDNE: Thank you for reminding us that while it&#8217;s difficult to make tough life choices it&#8217;s not impossible to do the right thing for ourselves and loved ones.  I love your words so much.</p>
<p>From past experience, I know that fear is a powerful emotion and it can immobilize our ability to make critical decisions and keep us trapped in a hell of our own choosing.  Each day in fear is a day wasted wondering and agonizing about how afraid we are to leave.</p>
<p>Realizing that I was more afraid to stay than leave was a revelation for me.  ( not in scientology but an equally dangerous situation)  It took awhile, but I finally saw that my future would continue in misery and only get worse if I stayed and this stark reality terrified me and lit a fire in my soul which overpowered my fear of leaving and I reached out for help.   Strangers who helped me soon became friends and I live and breath today because of them, God, my family and spouse of over 20 years.  </p>
<p>As for friends and family, and all those we care about, they all do matter and no church, organization, government or any other human being has the right to suggest otherwise by policy, influence, fear tactics or physical intimidation.  We all deserve to be loved!</p>
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		By: Jgg2012		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jgg2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 21:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/12/this-is-the-sound-of-scientologys-forced-disconnection/comment-page-1/#comment-196206&quot;&gt;John P.&lt;/a&gt;.

Remember that, in Waco, the govt. had a valid arrest warrant for a serious crime (child abuse) and was nonetheless shot at and looked stupid.  Yes, that is exactly the worry here.  Sea Org members have been coached on how to lie to law enforcement and will say what Shelly said.  Many people will say &quot;but it&#039;s a religion!&quot; and not understand.  Better to just target Davey for income tax evasion, but that creates a new problem: where is Davey?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/12/this-is-the-sound-of-scientologys-forced-disconnection/comment-page-1/#comment-196206">John P.</a>.</p>
<p>Remember that, in Waco, the govt. had a valid arrest warrant for a serious crime (child abuse) and was nonetheless shot at and looked stupid.  Yes, that is exactly the worry here.  Sea Org members have been coached on how to lie to law enforcement and will say what Shelly said.  Many people will say &#8220;but it&#8217;s a religion!&#8221; and not understand.  Better to just target Davey for income tax evasion, but that creates a new problem: where is Davey?</p>
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		By: Vinay Agarwala		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vinay Agarwala]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/12/this-is-the-sound-of-scientologys-forced-disconnection/comment-page-1/#comment-195980&quot;&gt;Once_Born&lt;/a&gt;.

Let&#039;s not talk about Hubbard because he was just a human being like any of us with flaws. But we can certainly talk about good and bad policies, or consistencies and inconsistencies in the philosophy of Scientology.


The moment one goes guessing into the intentions of another person, there is no positive outcome. It is a waste of time. But it is certainly valuable to take apart the philosophy, technology and policies of Scientology, because one learn from it what to do and what not to do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/12/this-is-the-sound-of-scientologys-forced-disconnection/comment-page-1/#comment-195980">Once_Born</a>.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not talk about Hubbard because he was just a human being like any of us with flaws. But we can certainly talk about good and bad policies, or consistencies and inconsistencies in the philosophy of Scientology.</p>
<p>The moment one goes guessing into the intentions of another person, there is no positive outcome. It is a waste of time. But it is certainly valuable to take apart the philosophy, technology and policies of Scientology, because one learn from it what to do and what not to do.</p>
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		By: i-Betty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[i-Betty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 19:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/12/this-is-the-sound-of-scientologys-forced-disconnection/comment-page-1/#comment-196321&quot;&gt;Krew13&lt;/a&gt;.

Love it!]]></description>
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<p>Love it!</p>
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		By: ThetaBara		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ThetaBara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 18:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, Sindy. And that poor woman. Heartbreaking. 
How can those thugs think it is acceptable to do that to people?!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Sindy. And that poor woman. Heartbreaking.<br />
How can those thugs think it is acceptable to do that to people?!</p>
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		By: pronoia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pronoia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/12/this-is-the-sound-of-scientologys-forced-disconnection/comment-page-1/#comment-196600&quot;&gt;TonyOrtega&lt;/a&gt;.

Aaargh!  I just checked the date on my ticket on my email and you are right.  For some weird reason it ended up in my calender on the 15th.  I have a ticket for the 21st (whew!).  It has really really been one of those days.....]]></description>
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<p>Aaargh!  I just checked the date on my ticket on my email and you are right.  For some weird reason it ended up in my calender on the 15th.  I have a ticket for the 21st (whew!).  It has really really been one of those days&#8230;..</p>
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		By: TonyOrtega		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TonyOrtega]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 16:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/08/12/this-is-the-sound-of-scientologys-forced-disconnection/comment-page-1/#comment-196582&quot;&gt;pronoia&lt;/a&gt;.

15th? First night it&#039;s at the NYC Fringe is the afternoon of the 20th.]]></description>
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<p>15th? First night it&#8217;s at the NYC Fringe is the afternoon of the 20th.</p>
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