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		By: Zenster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zenster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 16:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/27/jon-atack-a-case-of-scientology-fair-game-deflected-with-disinfecting-sunlight/comment-page-1/#comment-182826&quot;&gt;OTVIIIisGrrr8!&lt;/a&gt;.

in addition, proper address for LRH is:
Flim Flam Man
Blubbard
The Fat Fuck
Looney Tunes
Pants Crapper
Captain Bullshit]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/27/jon-atack-a-case-of-scientology-fair-game-deflected-with-disinfecting-sunlight/comment-page-1/#comment-182826">OTVIIIisGrrr8!</a>.</p>
<p>in addition, proper address for LRH is:<br />
Flim Flam Man<br />
Blubbard<br />
The Fat Fuck<br />
Looney Tunes<br />
Pants Crapper<br />
Captain Bullshit</p>
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		By: Leslie Stipe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leslie Stipe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2013 00:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/27/jon-atack-a-case-of-scientology-fair-game-deflected-with-disinfecting-sunlight/comment-page-1/#comment-182758&quot;&gt;Observer&lt;/a&gt;.

I was there too!  Fabulous!]]></description>
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<p>I was there too!  Fabulous!</p>
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		By: cicely neville		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cicely neville]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2013 22:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/27/jon-atack-a-case-of-scientology-fair-game-deflected-with-disinfecting-sunlight/comment-page-1/#comment-182960&quot;&gt;GlibWog&lt;/a&gt;.

^^^^^^^ That.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/27/jon-atack-a-case-of-scientology-fair-game-deflected-with-disinfecting-sunlight/comment-page-1/#comment-182960">GlibWog</a>.</p>
<p>^^^^^^^ That.</p>
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		By: cicely neville		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cicely neville]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2013 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/27/jon-atack-a-case-of-scientology-fair-game-deflected-with-disinfecting-sunlight/comment-page-1/#comment-183013&quot;&gt;Unit G-Xenu&#039;s Other Fist&lt;/a&gt;.

Bwahahaha]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/27/jon-atack-a-case-of-scientology-fair-game-deflected-with-disinfecting-sunlight/comment-page-1/#comment-183013">Unit G-Xenu&#8217;s Other Fist</a>.</p>
<p>Bwahahaha</p>
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		By: cicely neville		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[cicely neville]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2013 22:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/27/jon-atack-a-case-of-scientology-fair-game-deflected-with-disinfecting-sunlight/comment-page-1/#comment-183694&quot;&gt;KJP in Portland&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you, neighbor.  
How&#039;s the weather in Portland?  Hot as blazes here -]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/27/jon-atack-a-case-of-scientology-fair-game-deflected-with-disinfecting-sunlight/comment-page-1/#comment-183694">KJP in Portland</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you, neighbor.<br />
How&#8217;s the weather in Portland?  Hot as blazes here &#8211;</p>
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		By: dbloch7986		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dbloch7986]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2013 20:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; and, as Gerry Armstrong once said to me, half a life time ago, “Too long alone have I borne this burden. You share it with me now.”&quot;


Ron&#039;s Journal 67 -- The ultimate in Sea Org recruitment tapes haha]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; and, as Gerry Armstrong once said to me, half a life time ago, “Too long alone have I borne this burden. You share it with me now.”&#8221;</p>
<p>Ron&#8217;s Journal 67 &#8212; The ultimate in Sea Org recruitment tapes haha</p>
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		By: Still_On_Your_Side		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Still_On_Your_Side]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2013 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/27/jon-atack-a-case-of-scientology-fair-game-deflected-with-disinfecting-sunlight/comment-page-1/#comment-183665&quot;&gt;John P.&lt;/a&gt;.

If &quot;St. Hill size&quot; is the goal for each Org, then the low numbers listed for E. and W. Sussex should wake up members of the church, if they ever see this document.  That brings up another question, if there was a push for members to identify themselves in the census, you would think they would want to see the resultant government report.  The answer to question is, of course, if Miscavige is silent on it, no one dare bring it up, if Miscavige tells the members that the census reports that there are 1-2 million members in England/Wales, no one dare question that number; and if Miscavige tells the media, if asked, that the census numbers are corrupt and the real proof of expansion is the numbers of new buildings, no one in the church will dare to object.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/27/jon-atack-a-case-of-scientology-fair-game-deflected-with-disinfecting-sunlight/comment-page-1/#comment-183665">John P.</a>.</p>
<p>If &#8220;St. Hill size&#8221; is the goal for each Org, then the low numbers listed for E. and W. Sussex should wake up members of the church, if they ever see this document.  That brings up another question, if there was a push for members to identify themselves in the census, you would think they would want to see the resultant government report.  The answer to question is, of course, if Miscavige is silent on it, no one dare bring it up, if Miscavige tells the members that the census reports that there are 1-2 million members in England/Wales, no one dare question that number; and if Miscavige tells the media, if asked, that the census numbers are corrupt and the real proof of expansion is the numbers of new buildings, no one in the church will dare to object.</p>
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		By: KJP in Portland		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KJP in Portland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2013 20:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/27/jon-atack-a-case-of-scientology-fair-game-deflected-with-disinfecting-sunlight/comment-page-1/#comment-182948&quot;&gt;cicely neville&lt;/a&gt;.

I like you! Good stuff...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/27/jon-atack-a-case-of-scientology-fair-game-deflected-with-disinfecting-sunlight/comment-page-1/#comment-182948">cicely neville</a>.</p>
<p>I like you! Good stuff&#8230;</p>
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		By: John P.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2013 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/27/jon-atack-a-case-of-scientology-fair-game-deflected-with-disinfecting-sunlight/comment-page-1/#comment-183617&quot;&gt;Still_On_Your_Side&lt;/a&gt;.

I think it likely that the cult worked really hard to get members to list their religion on the Census as a way of showing &quot;straight up and vertical&quot; expansion.  As bad as the total number is, it would probably have been a lot worse if they didn&#039;t push people.  Also, I suspect that a lot of the responses are for employees at St. Hill -- note that West Sussex and East Sussex have about 800 Scientologists between them, which is more than the numbers in Greater London.  That seems to be consistent with what I know of staff size at Saint Hill plus allowance for family members, etc.  


I doubt the number of &quot;independent Scientologists&quot; would move the needle much on the census numbers for Scientology overall.  So I don&#039;t think that there would be much impact on Miscavige or on the cult if it were possible to break out cult members from &quot;indies.&quot;


I would be surprised if more than 10% of the non-Sussex Scientologists in the census were independents... I would also be surprised if the global Indie movement of all stripes (Freezone, iScientology/Steve Hall related groups, independent auditors, etc) was more than about 1,500 people versus a cult membership (including staff) of about 25,000 worldwide.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/27/jon-atack-a-case-of-scientology-fair-game-deflected-with-disinfecting-sunlight/comment-page-1/#comment-183617">Still_On_Your_Side</a>.</p>
<p>I think it likely that the cult worked really hard to get members to list their religion on the Census as a way of showing &#8220;straight up and vertical&#8221; expansion.  As bad as the total number is, it would probably have been a lot worse if they didn&#8217;t push people.  Also, I suspect that a lot of the responses are for employees at St. Hill &#8212; note that West Sussex and East Sussex have about 800 Scientologists between them, which is more than the numbers in Greater London.  That seems to be consistent with what I know of staff size at Saint Hill plus allowance for family members, etc.  </p>
<p>I doubt the number of &#8220;independent Scientologists&#8221; would move the needle much on the census numbers for Scientology overall.  So I don&#8217;t think that there would be much impact on Miscavige or on the cult if it were possible to break out cult members from &#8220;indies.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would be surprised if more than 10% of the non-Sussex Scientologists in the census were independents&#8230; I would also be surprised if the global Indie movement of all stripes (Freezone, iScientology/Steve Hall related groups, independent auditors, etc) was more than about 1,500 people versus a cult membership (including staff) of about 25,000 worldwide.</p>
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		By: Still_On_Your_Side		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Still_On_Your_Side]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jul 2013 18:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/27/jon-atack-a-case-of-scientology-fair-game-deflected-with-disinfecting-sunlight/comment-page-1/#comment-183082&quot;&gt;Once_Born&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Since committed Scientologists would surely take this opportunity to declare themselves, the census results represent an accurate idea of the real influence of the Scientology in the UK (although no way of telling CofS and independents apart).&quot;

How ironic if it turns out that independent Scientologists make up a large chunk of the Scientologists listed in this census.  If Miscavige claims that many members of the church didn&#039;t list their religion, and that is why the numbers are low, he&#039;s dug himself into a hole, and it would beg the question, why not?  Fear?  If independents came forward and claimed they had listed Sceientology as their religion, Miscavige is in even deeper trouble. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/27/jon-atack-a-case-of-scientology-fair-game-deflected-with-disinfecting-sunlight/comment-page-1/#comment-183082">Once_Born</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Since committed Scientologists would surely take this opportunity to declare themselves, the census results represent an accurate idea of the real influence of the Scientology in the UK (although no way of telling CofS and independents apart).&#8221;</p>
<p>How ironic if it turns out that independent Scientologists make up a large chunk of the Scientologists listed in this census.  If Miscavige claims that many members of the church didn&#8217;t list their religion, and that is why the numbers are low, he&#8217;s dug himself into a hole, and it would beg the question, why not?  Fear?  If independents came forward and claimed they had listed Sceientology as their religion, Miscavige is in even deeper trouble. </p>
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