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	Comments on: Coming Soon to the Underground Bunker: PZ Myers!	</title>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-170867</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-170855&quot;&gt;nancy&lt;/a&gt;.

I learned a long time ago that in a debate or discussion not to let the other person define the terms or give definition to words.  If I did, I&#039;d already lost the debate, or it would be a fruitless discussion because we weren&#039;t speaking about the same thing.


Assuming that one is speaking the same language is a trap that can be deadly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-170855">nancy</a>.</p>
<p>I learned a long time ago that in a debate or discussion not to let the other person define the terms or give definition to words.  If I did, I&#8217;d already lost the debate, or it would be a fruitless discussion because we weren&#8217;t speaking about the same thing.</p>
<p>Assuming that one is speaking the same language is a trap that can be deadly.</p>
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		By: nancy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2013 13:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-170537&quot;&gt;Missionary Kid&lt;/a&gt;.

ooops,   I just found it.  You can Google Propaganda by Redefinition of Words and you will find the entire thing.   Here is a quote from someone&#039;s blog --  

Hubbard well understood the power words have to woo or repulse. In his 1971 scripture, Propaganda by Redefinition of Words, he said:

The trick is —WORDS ARE REDEFINED TO MEAN SOMETHING ELSE TO THE ADVANTAGE OF THE PROPAGANDIST [emphasis in original].1

Now, as Hubbard also said, ‘the criminal accuses others of things he himself is doing.’ And this is certainly true when it comes to the redefinition of words.]]></description>
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<p>ooops,   I just found it.  You can Google Propaganda by Redefinition of Words and you will find the entire thing.   Here is a quote from someone&#8217;s blog &#8212;  </p>
<p>Hubbard well understood the power words have to woo or repulse. In his 1971 scripture, Propaganda by Redefinition of Words, he said:</p>
<p>The trick is —WORDS ARE REDEFINED TO MEAN SOMETHING ELSE TO THE ADVANTAGE OF THE PROPAGANDIST [emphasis in original].1</p>
<p>Now, as Hubbard also said, ‘the criminal accuses others of things he himself is doing.’ And this is certainly true when it comes to the redefinition of words.</p>
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		By: nancy		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-170852</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2013 12:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-170537&quot;&gt;Missionary Kid&lt;/a&gt;.

Hubbard was very much into words.  I do believe he wrote a Policy called -- Propaganda by Redefinition of Words.   I&#039;ll have to see if I can confirm that and re read it.  From what I remember, it is what he was doing,,, but the Policy talks about &quot;Others doing this&quot;.
Yes, Scientology does have it&#039;s own language, and that makes parts of it universal around the globr.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-170537">Missionary Kid</a>.</p>
<p>Hubbard was very much into words.  I do believe he wrote a Policy called &#8212; Propaganda by Redefinition of Words.   I&#8217;ll have to see if I can confirm that and re read it.  From what I remember, it is what he was doing,,, but the Policy talks about &#8220;Others doing this&#8221;.<br />
Yes, Scientology does have it&#8217;s own language, and that makes parts of it universal around the globr.</p>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2013 05:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-169304&quot;&gt;nancy&lt;/a&gt;.

I overstated the words with a single definition, but he limited definitions to very specific types of definitions.


He borrowed words from all sorts of different locations and societies.  He, consciously or unconsciously, used those words as shorthand for $cion terms so they would have different meanings for people outside of the cult.  Because those in used those words among themselves, it not only isolated them, but it made their conversations unintelligible or harmless to outsiders.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-169304">nancy</a>.</p>
<p>I overstated the words with a single definition, but he limited definitions to very specific types of definitions.</p>
<p>He borrowed words from all sorts of different locations and societies.  He, consciously or unconsciously, used those words as shorthand for $cion terms so they would have different meanings for people outside of the cult.  Because those in used those words among themselves, it not only isolated them, but it made their conversations unintelligible or harmless to outsiders.</p>
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		By: nancy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2013 19:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-168327&quot;&gt;Missionary Kid&lt;/a&gt;.

This is interesting.  I don&#039;t know if Hubbard did specify workds with a single definition.  I am going to have to find the part of my brain that has that language and see if that is true.  Whether it is true or not,  in usage, scientologists also would use words defined by Hubbard in different contexts than he originally intended.


I used a word at work several months ago, that my co workers had never heard of, and initially I said &quot;must be a Scientology word&quot;, but then I thought about it and discovred it wasn&#039;t, it was slang from Australia or new Zealand.  As most of the Sea Org contains english speaking people from all over the world -- south african, british, australian etc.  I wonder how much &#039;dialect slang&quot; is have collected?  And then to isolate it to the country it came from....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-168327">Missionary Kid</a>.</p>
<p>This is interesting.  I don&#8217;t know if Hubbard did specify workds with a single definition.  I am going to have to find the part of my brain that has that language and see if that is true.  Whether it is true or not,  in usage, scientologists also would use words defined by Hubbard in different contexts than he originally intended.</p>
<p>I used a word at work several months ago, that my co workers had never heard of, and initially I said &#8220;must be a Scientology word&#8221;, but then I thought about it and discovred it wasn&#8217;t, it was slang from Australia or new Zealand.  As most of the Sea Org contains english speaking people from all over the world &#8212; south african, british, australian etc.  I wonder how much &#8216;dialect slang&#8221; is have collected?  And then to isolate it to the country it came from&#8230;.</p>
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		By: richelieu jr		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-169224</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richelieu jr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2013 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-168715&quot;&gt;sugarplumfairy&lt;/a&gt;.

We call that &#039;breakfast&#039; around here, missy!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-168715">sugarplumfairy</a>.</p>
<p>We call that &#8216;breakfast&#8217; around here, missy!</p>
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		By: MissCandle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MissCandle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-168673&quot;&gt;Bella Legosi&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the update.  All the best to you. I will keep my fingers &quot;double crossed&quot; for you.  (Yes, that is a covert cos joke added to my honest best wishes for you.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-168673">Bella Legosi</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the update.  All the best to you. I will keep my fingers &#8220;double crossed&#8221; for you.  (Yes, that is a covert cos joke added to my honest best wishes for you.)</p>
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		By: sugarplumfairy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sugarplumfairy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2013 12:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-168656&quot;&gt;richelieu jr&lt;/a&gt;.

Next time try a glass or two of red wine before bed.. It works.. ]]></description>
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<p>Next time try a glass or two of red wine before bed.. It works.. </p>
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		By: sugarplumfairy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sugarplumfairy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2013 12:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-168650&quot;&gt;richelieu jr&lt;/a&gt;.

Hah! As if! It&#039;s Curly..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-168650">richelieu jr</a>.</p>
<p>Hah! As if! It&#8217;s Curly..</p>
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		By: Bella Legosi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bella Legosi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2013 08:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-168135&quot;&gt;MissCandle&lt;/a&gt;.

No...didn&#039;t pan out :( but I was able to get a couple more leads and hopefully I can chase them down and tell them to give me a job, cuz I am awesome and I bring a cloud of awesome whenever I am around......hehehe I am keeping my hopes up and still looking.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/07/12/coming-soon-to-the-underground-bunker-pz-myers/comment-page-1/#comment-168135">MissCandle</a>.</p>
<p>No&#8230;didn&#8217;t pan out 🙁 but I was able to get a couple more leads and hopefully I can chase them down and tell them to give me a job, cuz I am awesome and I bring a cloud of awesome whenever I am around&#8230;&#8230;hehehe I am keeping my hopes up and still looking.</p>
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