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		By: EmmaDaoust		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/06/01/heres-some-photographic-proof-that-scientologys-ideal-orgs-are-killing-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-1809806&quot;&gt;TexasBroad&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s always something, innit. Maybe he&#039;s flying in the Tardis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/06/01/heres-some-photographic-proof-that-scientologys-ideal-orgs-are-killing-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-1809806">TexasBroad</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s always something, innit. Maybe he&#8217;s flying in the Tardis.</p>
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		By: TexasBroad		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2017 19:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/06/01/heres-some-photographic-proof-that-scientologys-ideal-orgs-are-killing-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-1809564&quot;&gt;British Bulldog&lt;/a&gt;.

Well aren&#039;t you a little bit of sunshine?  We are posting 4 yrs in the future if you want to join us.  As to your opinion, well, everyone has one I suppose.  &quot;Whatever the truth about Scientology&quot; is what we discuss here.  Whatever your opinion of Tony, this blog, or Scientology...the use of that word is unnecessary and offensive.  You could probably come up with a more thoughtful, meaningful evaluation.  Unless you just wanted to come in and shit on the carpet.  
In any event, I hope you read the articles BB!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/06/01/heres-some-photographic-proof-that-scientologys-ideal-orgs-are-killing-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-1809564">British Bulldog</a>.</p>
<p>Well aren&#8217;t you a little bit of sunshine?  We are posting 4 yrs in the future if you want to join us.  As to your opinion, well, everyone has one I suppose.  &#8220;Whatever the truth about Scientology&#8221; is what we discuss here.  Whatever your opinion of Tony, this blog, or Scientology&#8230;the use of that word is unnecessary and offensive.  You could probably come up with a more thoughtful, meaningful evaluation.  Unless you just wanted to come in and shit on the carpet.<br />
In any event, I hope you read the articles BB!</p>
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		By: British Bulldog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2017 14:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whatever the truth about Scientology, Tony Ortega is a sad little cunt]]></description>
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		By: sugarplumfairy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2014 22:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/06/01/heres-some-photographic-proof-that-scientologys-ideal-orgs-are-killing-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-437615&quot;&gt;John Andra&lt;/a&gt;.

Hookah pipes look like much better conversationalists than ashtrays..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/06/01/heres-some-photographic-proof-that-scientologys-ideal-orgs-are-killing-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-437615">John Andra</a>.</p>
<p>Hookah pipes look like much better conversationalists than ashtrays..</p>
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		By: John Andra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/06/01/heres-some-photographic-proof-that-scientologys-ideal-orgs-are-killing-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-138853&quot;&gt;sugarplumfairy&lt;/a&gt;.

Not as many ash trays as there are far fewer smokers nowadays. So the training lineup will need to be revised again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/06/01/heres-some-photographic-proof-that-scientologys-ideal-orgs-are-killing-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-138853">sugarplumfairy</a>.</p>
<p>Not as many ash trays as there are far fewer smokers nowadays. So the training lineup will need to be revised again.</p>
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		By: Tory Christman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tory Christman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 21:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/06/01/heres-some-photographic-proof-that-scientologys-ideal-orgs-are-killing-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-141540&quot;&gt;Tory Christman&lt;/a&gt;.

Let&#039;s not forget the ol &quot;Long Sign&quot; Testing Center right in Hollywood we helped close down 5+ years ago. Here it is ...still being &quot;renovated&quot; with their latest sign. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152840799010577&#038;set=a.10150237556590577.469003.736745576&#038;type=1&#038;theater   Last Xmas was the 1st Christmas they did NOT have &quot;Winter Wonderland&quot; there. They&#039;ve been &quot;renovating&quot; this for over a year now, if not 2. DUH! See the holes where windows used to be. Guess ya need some more fundraising, Davey. To those still &quot;in&quot;: BAIL WHILE U STILL CAN! &#060;&#060;&#060;&#060; I am NOT kidding.Love to ALL :) Tory/Magoo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/06/01/heres-some-photographic-proof-that-scientologys-ideal-orgs-are-killing-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-141540">Tory Christman</a>.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not forget the ol &#8220;Long Sign&#8221; Testing Center right in Hollywood we helped close down 5+ years ago. Here it is &#8230;still being &#8220;renovated&#8221; with their latest sign. <a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152840799010577&#038;set=a.10150237556590577.469003.736745576&#038;type=1&#038;theater" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152840799010577&#038;set=a.10150237556590577.469003.736745576&#038;type=1&#038;theater</a>   Last Xmas was the 1st Christmas they did NOT have &#8220;Winter Wonderland&#8221; there. They&#8217;ve been &#8220;renovating&#8221; this for over a year now, if not 2. DUH! See the holes where windows used to be. Guess ya need some more fundraising, Davey. To those still &#8220;in&#8221;: BAIL WHILE U STILL CAN! &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt; I am NOT kidding.Love to ALL 🙂 Tory/Magoo</p>
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		By: Tory Christman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 21:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/06/01/heres-some-photographic-proof-that-scientologys-ideal-orgs-are-killing-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-139409&quot;&gt;sketto&lt;/a&gt;.

AMEN sketto! &quot;The Church of Scientology Sherman Oaks&quot; has been dead for awhile. Nothing in the windows...zero activity each time I&#039;ve driven by. It used to be &quot;The Enhancement Center&quot; where most of the Celebrities were audited, until Davey boy decided oh no! They ALL have to go through &quot;Celebrity Center&quot;, which many don&#039;t want to do. Good job, Dave!  Years later---the joint is crashed. I just called, it now says what you say: &quot;Church of Scientology Sherman Oaks and Beverly Hills&quot;. HUH? Sherman Oaks is on one side of the Mountains (for those not living here)..and is &quot;in the Valley&quot;. Beverly Hills is about 30 minutes away, over the hills, IN Beverly Hills---way different location. Those in BH would not go to that mission, just due to the connection with Sherman Oaks.LOL ahhhh the hits just keep on comin! :) Tick Tock, Tick Tock....time is on *our* side!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/06/01/heres-some-photographic-proof-that-scientologys-ideal-orgs-are-killing-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-139409">sketto</a>.</p>
<p>AMEN sketto! &#8220;The Church of Scientology Sherman Oaks&#8221; has been dead for awhile. Nothing in the windows&#8230;zero activity each time I&#8217;ve driven by. It used to be &#8220;The Enhancement Center&#8221; where most of the Celebrities were audited, until Davey boy decided oh no! They ALL have to go through &#8220;Celebrity Center&#8221;, which many don&#8217;t want to do. Good job, Dave!  Years later&#8212;the joint is crashed. I just called, it now says what you say: &#8220;Church of Scientology Sherman Oaks and Beverly Hills&#8221;. HUH? Sherman Oaks is on one side of the Mountains (for those not living here)..and is &#8220;in the Valley&#8221;. Beverly Hills is about 30 minutes away, over the hills, IN Beverly Hills&#8212;way different location. Those in BH would not go to that mission, just due to the connection with Sherman Oaks.LOL ahhhh the hits just keep on comin! 🙂 Tick Tock, Tick Tock&#8230;.time is on *our* side!</p>
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		By: aquaclara		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aquaclara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 03:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/06/01/heres-some-photographic-proof-that-scientologys-ideal-orgs-are-killing-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-139820&quot;&gt;grundoon&lt;/a&gt;.

Nope, other than the general enterbulation that this has caused on their site, along with the massive number of comments on the Bunker. Plus any cultural references we might make in the future about any of this.   The day this all hit, Marty dumped on Derek, which got my back up (I am not the only one, of course. It was uncalled for and quite unacceptable.) Derek is the hero of the week. He politely turns it back to Marty and his role in the cult. Marty, pissed, then erased several comments in the string. Derek did 
GREAT. Marty is again pissed.  
So you can see why the comments are unfolding the way they are. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/06/01/heres-some-photographic-proof-that-scientologys-ideal-orgs-are-killing-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-139820">grundoon</a>.</p>
<p>Nope, other than the general enterbulation that this has caused on their site, along with the massive number of comments on the Bunker. Plus any cultural references we might make in the future about any of this.   The day this all hit, Marty dumped on Derek, which got my back up (I am not the only one, of course. It was uncalled for and quite unacceptable.) Derek is the hero of the week. He politely turns it back to Marty and his role in the cult. Marty, pissed, then erased several comments in the string. Derek did<br />
GREAT. Marty is again pissed.<br />
So you can see why the comments are unfolding the way they are. </p>
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		By: grundoon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2013 01:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/06/01/heres-some-photographic-proof-that-scientologys-ideal-orgs-are-killing-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-139685&quot;&gt;aquaclara&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, aquaclara! Guess I haven&#039;t missed much by not reading that.]]></description>
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<p>Thanks, aquaclara! Guess I haven&#8217;t missed much by not reading that.</p>
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		By: aquaclara		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[aquaclara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2013 21:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/06/01/heres-some-photographic-proof-that-scientologys-ideal-orgs-are-killing-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-139603&quot;&gt;grundoon&lt;/a&gt;.

Here&#039;s a summary of what&#039;s over there.  I read it all today, since I was away for a bit.  The comments and responses reply with  a fair dose of name-calling and well, tone, as you can imagine.  

Comments posted anywhere by “critics” –ok, that’s us --debunking LRH or scientology are unacceptable, it seems.   “If the shoe fits…” is a stock reply offered up by Marty. Methinks it’s somehow being taken as a criticism of Marty by extension.  Otherwise, I don’t think we’d see all the tone (which ranges from anger to peevishness) and evidence
offered up via trite sayings show we are wrong/they are right/ etc.  Lots of stuff conveying how evil/stupid/dangerous, etc. said &quot;critics&quot; are, because we don&#039;t understand all that greatness and goodness that seeps throughout the writings of LRH and MR. 

A reference about a &quot;rock slam&quot; from Steve Hall, with Marty replying that he’s offered up (something which sounds like a very snarkyish kind of)  olive branch.  Minor point amidst all the comments, but I am curious about the backstory here.  Treacly praise for Marty dribbled in throughout the comment field from loyal followers.  

There was some blather about the &quot;solidity of the universe is created by energy of opposite opposing forces&quot; and &quot;dichotomy&quot;.  I don’t know what Marty&#039;s talking about, and I am going to ignore one commenter’s remark to simply “word clear” it.  After a range of comments which might have said that this made no sense, Marty offers to clarify it in today&#039;s blog, saying that “If you read the Tao of Physics …or Scientology OTII, there is no need for further explanation.”  Hmph.   (Note: WIN goes to Alonzo, who managed to include a warm-hearted compliment in with a bite about Marty being too general in his comments.  Marty offers back a very nice compliment in return.  I laugh at this part - it is funny). 

They think that if we truly knew the “goodness” of LRH and scientology, we would believe just like they do.  I wouldn’t count on that happening any time soon, would you?
This last one repeated over and over again, with loaded language, cult-speak and jibberish.  The nice ones think it&#039;s just that we&#039;re misunderstood; the bulk of them think we&#039;re a cult in and of ourselves because we criticize LRH (how dare we?). They tossed in a few references to ARC, blah, blah, blah. Oh, and it&#039;s our fault.  Ha.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/06/01/heres-some-photographic-proof-that-scientologys-ideal-orgs-are-killing-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-139603">grundoon</a>.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a summary of what&#8217;s over there.  I read it all today, since I was away for a bit.  The comments and responses reply with  a fair dose of name-calling and well, tone, as you can imagine.  </p>
<p>Comments posted anywhere by “critics” –ok, that’s us &#8211;debunking LRH or scientology are unacceptable, it seems.   “If the shoe fits…” is a stock reply offered up by Marty. Methinks it’s somehow being taken as a criticism of Marty by extension.  Otherwise, I don’t think we’d see all the tone (which ranges from anger to peevishness) and evidence<br />
offered up via trite sayings show we are wrong/they are right/ etc.  Lots of stuff conveying how evil/stupid/dangerous, etc. said &#8220;critics&#8221; are, because we don&#8217;t understand all that greatness and goodness that seeps throughout the writings of LRH and MR. </p>
<p>A reference about a &#8220;rock slam&#8221; from Steve Hall, with Marty replying that he’s offered up (something which sounds like a very snarkyish kind of)  olive branch.  Minor point amidst all the comments, but I am curious about the backstory here.  Treacly praise for Marty dribbled in throughout the comment field from loyal followers.  </p>
<p>There was some blather about the &#8220;solidity of the universe is created by energy of opposite opposing forces&#8221; and &#8220;dichotomy&#8221;.  I don’t know what Marty&#8217;s talking about, and I am going to ignore one commenter’s remark to simply “word clear” it.  After a range of comments which might have said that this made no sense, Marty offers to clarify it in today&#8217;s blog, saying that “If you read the Tao of Physics …or Scientology OTII, there is no need for further explanation.”  Hmph.   (Note: WIN goes to Alonzo, who managed to include a warm-hearted compliment in with a bite about Marty being too general in his comments.  Marty offers back a very nice compliment in return.  I laugh at this part &#8211; it is funny). </p>
<p>They think that if we truly knew the “goodness” of LRH and scientology, we would believe just like they do.  I wouldn’t count on that happening any time soon, would you?<br />
This last one repeated over and over again, with loaded language, cult-speak and jibberish.  The nice ones think it&#8217;s just that we&#8217;re misunderstood; the bulk of them think we&#8217;re a cult in and of ourselves because we criticize LRH (how dare we?). They tossed in a few references to ARC, blah, blah, blah. Oh, and it&#8217;s our fault.  Ha.</p>
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