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		By: Dave Roberts		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Roberts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Oct 2013 22:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Miscavige&#039;s decision to declare his leadership group &quot;SP&#039;s&quot; shouldn&#039;t surprise us. He is a dictator of a cult that relies on extreme indoctrination to rule it&#039;s membership. Think of Stalin - he killed his top lieutenants every five of ten years. Why? He was afraid of being overthrown. Miscavige demonstrates an identical paranoia.


Absolute power corrupts absolutely.


Dave]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miscavige&#8217;s decision to declare his leadership group &#8220;SP&#8217;s&#8221; shouldn&#8217;t surprise us. He is a dictator of a cult that relies on extreme indoctrination to rule it&#8217;s membership. Think of Stalin &#8211; he killed his top lieutenants every five of ten years. Why? He was afraid of being overthrown. Miscavige demonstrates an identical paranoia.</p>
<p>Absolute power corrupts absolutely.</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-136001</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 04:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-135978&quot;&gt;clam_in_a_halfshell&lt;/a&gt;.

The excommunication is permanent in this life unless the person repents and does acts of contrition, as I understand it.  In Co$, there is a way to get back into the church as well.  



The permanence that the CC and Co$ declares is in another existence.  My amazement is that someone in this existence makes declarations about what happens in another. Of course, the CC says that it is up to god, but the Pope, as his representative on earth, supposedly speaks with god&#039;s authority.



 It can be looked at as the perfect con.  There&#039;s no evidence to contradict it just as there&#039;s no evidence it is true.


The mythology of LRH has had only 50 years or so to evolve, while Christianity has had two millenia.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-135978">clam_in_a_halfshell</a>.</p>
<p>The excommunication is permanent in this life unless the person repents and does acts of contrition, as I understand it.  In Co$, there is a way to get back into the church as well.  </p>
<p>The permanence that the CC and Co$ declares is in another existence.  My amazement is that someone in this existence makes declarations about what happens in another. Of course, the CC says that it is up to god, but the Pope, as his representative on earth, supposedly speaks with god&#8217;s authority.</p>
<p> It can be looked at as the perfect con.  There&#8217;s no evidence to contradict it just as there&#8217;s no evidence it is true.</p>
<p>The mythology of LRH has had only 50 years or so to evolve, while Christianity has had two millenia.</p>
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		By: clam_in_a_halfshell		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-135980</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[clam_in_a_halfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 03:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-132522&quot;&gt;BuryTheNuts2&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s the only sense that matters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-132522">BuryTheNuts2</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the only sense that matters.</p>
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		By: clam_in_a_halfshell		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-135979</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[clam_in_a_halfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 03:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-132589&quot;&gt;Robert Eckert&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m also a fan of the alternative form of the med, Fukitol DM.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-132589">Robert Eckert</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also a fan of the alternative form of the med, Fukitol DM.</p>
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		By: clam_in_a_halfshell		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-135978</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[clam_in_a_halfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 03:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-132801&quot;&gt;Kim O&#039;Brien&lt;/a&gt;.

And I, another Christian, think that they did wrong by so doing. I don&#039;t know what is up in Brazil.

And, FWIW, as far as I know, excommunication is never meant to be permanent. At least not in the Orthodox Church, it isn&#039;t. I would really doubt if Roman Catholics thought it was supposed to be permanent either.

The only one who is able to decide one&#039;s eternal state is God. I don&#039;t have the hubris to declare that my heaven card is punched, either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-132801">Kim O&#8217;Brien</a>.</p>
<p>And I, another Christian, think that they did wrong by so doing. I don&#8217;t know what is up in Brazil.</p>
<p>And, FWIW, as far as I know, excommunication is never meant to be permanent. At least not in the Orthodox Church, it isn&#8217;t. I would really doubt if Roman Catholics thought it was supposed to be permanent either.</p>
<p>The only one who is able to decide one&#8217;s eternal state is God. I don&#8217;t have the hubris to declare that my heaven card is punched, either.</p>
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		By: clam_in_a_halfshell		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-135977</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[clam_in_a_halfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 02:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-132662&quot;&gt;Missionary Kid&lt;/a&gt;.

If you&#039;re Amish, definitely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-132662">Missionary Kid</a>.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re Amish, definitely.</p>
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		By: clam_in_a_halfshell		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-135976</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[clam_in_a_halfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 02:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-132805&quot;&gt;Kim O&#039;Brien&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep. Could not agree more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-132805">Kim O&#8217;Brien</a>.</p>
<p>Yep. Could not agree more.</p>
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		By: clam_in_a_halfshell		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-135975</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[clam_in_a_halfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 02:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-132831&quot;&gt;monkeyknickers&lt;/a&gt;.

1 Peter 3:15-16: &quot;Always be ready to make your defense to anyone who demands from you an accounting for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and reverence.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-132831">monkeyknickers</a>.</p>
<p>1 Peter 3:15-16: &#8220;Always be ready to make your defense to anyone who demands from you an accounting for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and reverence.&#8221;</p>
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		By: clam_in_a_halfshell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[clam_in_a_halfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 02:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-132525&quot;&gt;BosonStark&lt;/a&gt;.

Amen, and Amen, and Amen, and YES INDEED.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-132525">BosonStark</a>.</p>
<p>Amen, and Amen, and Amen, and YES INDEED.</p>
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		By: clam_in_a_halfshell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[clam_in_a_halfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2013 02:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-132431&quot;&gt;Noah Miller&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s not just medium bad, it&#039;s all-the-way bad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/05/21/disconnection-scientologys-most-toxic-sacrament/comment-page-1/#comment-132431">Noah Miller</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just medium bad, it&#8217;s all-the-way bad.</p>
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