I left the following response on Karin’s blog and I’ll leave it here as well:

I am the critic who has made the comments on the English language blog that was the catalyst to Karin’s post here.

I haven’t gotten around to post a reply before, but I did want to add a few additional remarks. In particular I wanted to respond to Karin’s statement:

“Scientology didn’t order these murders, and nothing in Scientology’s (admittedly often villainous) policies would ever accommodate for the acceptance of, far less for the motivation for, such killings.”

The first statement is absolutely true and I never meant to state otherwise. Unfortunately my posts may not have been as clear on this aspect as they should have been.

The second statement, however, is highly debatable. In fact, this was exactly the question that was being discussed in the blog post that Karin is responding to. Scientology’s writings are occasionally very hyperbolic (R2-45 is one of example, but there are others as well) and these writings CAN be construed as a kind of fatwa that provides a licence to kill.

The question posed in the blog post was: have such fatwa’s ever been issued? The blog post provided an overview of statements by former members alleging that this indeed occasionally happened.

The point I was making in my comments was that one relevant case was missing from the blog post. This concerned a Dutch Scientologist named Jesse Remmers, who (by virtue of being a religiously inspired nutcase) concluded that Scientology writings condone murders. Please note that the Dutch Scientology church itself admitted to exactly this in one of the newspaper articles on this matter (Google for ‘Jesse moordt voor wereldvrede’ for the Volkskrant article in question).

So I don’t think the idea is as much ‘out there’ as Karin’s take on the matter.

I also wanted to add a further note on the relevance of the Scientology angle in this case. Although Scientology and Peter la Serpa deny this, it is rather likely that both Jesse and Peter have at some point were formal members of the Dutch Scientology church, also taking courses there.

That would also means that (at least at some point in time) files were being kept on them in the Scientology building. IF those files included either auditing or security checking reports (two forms of a confession ‘Scientology-style’), those files COULD contain incriminating evidence on either or both of them. Whether this is the case, I honestly don’t know. But it is very likely that, again IF, the Scientology church possessed incriminating evidence they would (likely) never tell this to the police, firstly because of a legitimite fear for Jesse and Peter, but also because Scientology doctrine forbids to do so if this creates PR issues.

And yes, I realise I am just forwarding a lot of armchair internet speculation here. But still. Given the fact that this was the largest trial our country has ever seen, I don’t quite understand why the Dutch police never raided the Scientology church to obtain the files on Jesse and Peter. ‘Baat het niet, dan schaadt het niet’. And they weren’t lacking an excure as there have been questions in parliament in 2009 requesting a raid in relation to the privacy issues surrounding the files that Scientology keeps.

As a final note, I like to confirm that Karin is a heroin for her efforts in the ’90s when critisizing Scientology was still a dangerous effort.

And as a final final note: in Karin’s blog post I didn’t use capitals but italic. Just to be sure: I want to emphasize the speculative nature of my post, it’s not meant as yelling.

It was supposed to be Davey ‘s head , lol. Guess that’s what I get for hanging out with some of the most intelligent people that Don’t miss a thing ! Thanks for keeping me on my toes MK !

I’ve copied your post onto Tony’s current blog page ‘Scientology Metaphysics: After Death, Will You Go to Mars or Venus?’ Karin as some readers may not spot it here.

Andrew

Henk, ik kan eventueel helpen met vertalen Nederlands -> Engels. Ik post het meest op WWP en ESMB. Zoek me daar op

Henk, Ik might be able to help translating Dutch -> English. I mostly post on WWP and ESMB, please contact me there.

I might be able to help with translating Dutch -> English

Hi Tony

I started to reply to this posting, but when my message became too long, I decided I’d better write an article. ExecSum: yes, both are (or were) Scientology members; Jesse Remmers even was the COE of Criminon NL. I have spoken at large with Jesse’s attorney, and sat in on part of the trials.

My bit is here: http://www.spaink.net/2013/04/29/scientology-huurmoordenaars/ [in English].

regards,
Karin Spaink

What good would come of him calling the president of CoS San Francisco? He’d never return the call.

Kember is on lines at St Hill, UK, per recent completion lists