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	Comments on: RAID ON SCIENTOLOGY&#8217;S DRUG REHAB CENTER IN ATLANTA	</title>
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		By: MyMagnificentOctopus .		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-569631</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MyMagnificentOctopus .]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2014 04:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-118432&quot;&gt;John P.&lt;/a&gt;.

However, the Feds have RICO which does allow them to charge organizations as criminals, if they can argue the organization existed entirely or in part for the purpose of committing that crime. So, if this were to somehow go beyond the state level, there are ways to go after organizations, freeze their assets and so on.

As for the state laws, it makes sense on two levels. First, the crimes were the acts of individuals, even if it is a conspiracy, it is still a conspiracy of individuals. Second, criminal law is basically concerned with jailing people. It may impose fines and the like, but for the most part, it doesn&#039;t charge unless someone can go to jail, it is why they don&#039;t charge dead people and why they don&#039;t charge companies as such, there is no person to incarcerate. 

Having said that, conspiracy does give them much room to go after higher levels of the organization, even on a state level, so finding a scapegoat may not be the perfect defense the higher echelons imagine it to be. (Just look at the many organized crime trials which attempted the same, and the number of times it failed, especially in recent years when the states and federal criminal prosecutors were given somewhat greater leeway.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-118432">John P.</a>.</p>
<p>However, the Feds have RICO which does allow them to charge organizations as criminals, if they can argue the organization existed entirely or in part for the purpose of committing that crime. So, if this were to somehow go beyond the state level, there are ways to go after organizations, freeze their assets and so on.</p>
<p>As for the state laws, it makes sense on two levels. First, the crimes were the acts of individuals, even if it is a conspiracy, it is still a conspiracy of individuals. Second, criminal law is basically concerned with jailing people. It may impose fines and the like, but for the most part, it doesn&#8217;t charge unless someone can go to jail, it is why they don&#8217;t charge dead people and why they don&#8217;t charge companies as such, there is no person to incarcerate. </p>
<p>Having said that, conspiracy does give them much room to go after higher levels of the organization, even on a state level, so finding a scapegoat may not be the perfect defense the higher echelons imagine it to be. (Just look at the many organized crime trials which attempted the same, and the number of times it failed, especially in recent years when the states and federal criminal prosecutors were given somewhat greater leeway.)</p>
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		By: Chloe Wallace		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chloe Wallace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 06:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hope that this issue will come to an end. This drug rehab center is ruining the name of it being a rehab center that should be helping people recovering from addiction. I&#039;m so sick hearing this kind of news. Thank goodness that there are far more good &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.seasonsmalibu.com/treatment-programs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rehab centers&lt;/a&gt; that are dedicated with their job.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope that this issue will come to an end. This drug rehab center is ruining the name of it being a rehab center that should be helping people recovering from addiction. I&#8217;m so sick hearing this kind of news. Thank goodness that there are far more good <a href="http://www.seasonsmalibu.com/treatment-programs/" rel="nofollow">rehab centers</a> that are dedicated with their job.</p>
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		By: sharon brown		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sharon brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 11:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-118332&quot;&gt;TheHoleDoesNotExist&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you , Hole, I am honored ! I miss the SMERSH  contest, maybe we should vote on comments of the month ! And the winner would get a coffee mug from the Bunker , with logo, or I&#039;m an SP, on it !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-118332">TheHoleDoesNotExist</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you , Hole, I am honored ! I miss the SMERSH  contest, maybe we should vote on comments of the month ! And the winner would get a coffee mug from the Bunker , with logo, or I&#8217;m an SP, on it !</p>
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		By: q-bird		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[q-bird]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 02:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-118418&quot;&gt;Captain Howdy&lt;/a&gt;.

Howdy!  I knew you would like that photo - what a wonderful creature, a living dinosaur!  Did you go to: http://sharks-ocearch.verite.com/ and check out where Mary Ann is today???]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-118418">Captain Howdy</a>.</p>
<p>Howdy!  I knew you would like that photo &#8211; what a wonderful creature, a living dinosaur!  Did you go to: <a href="http://sharks-ocearch.verite.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://sharks-ocearch.verite.com/</a> and check out where Mary Ann is today???</p>
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		By: Bella Legosi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bella Legosi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 23:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-119585&quot;&gt;Missionary Kid&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah I remember them going off on how Bob wasn&#039;t really Bob. I tried to say there are a lot of Bob&#039;s and I was giving him the benefit of doubt. Kinda glad I sat back on that. Turns out he really isn&#039;t a closet scientologist. They got that way with me when I posted about working for the Scilon and saying it was &quot;squirrel&quot;. I was asked how long I had been in and how I knew it was squirrel. Now that I get the gist of the attitude here at the Bunker I can see why they thought I may have been a scilon. I didn&#039;t really explain it well at first.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-119585">Missionary Kid</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah I remember them going off on how Bob wasn&#8217;t really Bob. I tried to say there are a lot of Bob&#8217;s and I was giving him the benefit of doubt. Kinda glad I sat back on that. Turns out he really isn&#8217;t a closet scientologist. They got that way with me when I posted about working for the Scilon and saying it was &#8220;squirrel&#8221;. I was asked how long I had been in and how I knew it was squirrel. Now that I get the gist of the attitude here at the Bunker I can see why they thought I may have been a scilon. I didn&#8217;t really explain it well at first.</p>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-119585</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-119568&quot;&gt;Bella Legosi&lt;/a&gt;.

It was on Sunday, not too far below where we got into the rail gun discussion.  BTN2 and Stillgrace were not friendly Flunk 101, and they accused him of now posting under a different name than before.  I chose to drop back here so I didn&#039;t stir things up with them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-119568">Bella Legosi</a>.</p>
<p>It was on Sunday, not too far below where we got into the rail gun discussion.  BTN2 and Stillgrace were not friendly Flunk 101, and they accused him of now posting under a different name than before.  I chose to drop back here so I didn&#8217;t stir things up with them.</p>
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		By: Bella Legosi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bella Legosi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-119263&quot;&gt;Missionary Kid&lt;/a&gt;.

Still trying to see what I missed! lol I got some stuff to get together before I head out into the wild blue yonder for a couple of days! ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-119263">Missionary Kid</a>.</p>
<p>Still trying to see what I missed! lol I got some stuff to get together before I head out into the wild blue yonder for a couple of days! </p>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 10:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-118270&quot;&gt;Bella Legosi&lt;/a&gt;.

What&#039;s the deal with BTN2, Stillgrace and Flunk 101?
I&#039;m back here because I didn&#039;t want it on the page where they&#039;re showing hostility.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-118270">Bella Legosi</a>.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the deal with BTN2, Stillgrace and Flunk 101?<br />
I&#8217;m back here because I didn&#8217;t want it on the page where they&#8217;re showing hostility.</p>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-119191</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 02:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-119177&quot;&gt;Valerie Ross&lt;/a&gt;.

So, in effect DM is going to say that Mary is a rogue operator, a bad person, etc., etc.


The question is, where does he hide her without having Co$ fingerprints all over her disappearance?


I&#039;m sure that there are plenty of emails coming from on high that basically say, &quot;get your stats (money coming in) up.&quot;


The way that the place looks now, with the crappy grass, paint peeling, etc. probably mean that all of the money has been going somewhere.  My guess is that it&#039;s been going to NN headquarters, ABLE, and to the LRH foundation, which is probably headed by guess who.


It&#039;s gonna be a case of follow the money.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-119177">Valerie Ross</a>.</p>
<p>So, in effect DM is going to say that Mary is a rogue operator, a bad person, etc., etc.</p>
<p>The question is, where does he hide her without having Co$ fingerprints all over her disappearance?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that there are plenty of emails coming from on high that basically say, &#8220;get your stats (money coming in) up.&#8221;</p>
<p>The way that the place looks now, with the crappy grass, paint peeling, etc. probably mean that all of the money has been going somewhere.  My guess is that it&#8217;s been going to NN headquarters, ABLE, and to the LRH foundation, which is probably headed by guess who.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s gonna be a case of follow the money.</p>
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		By: Valerie Ross		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valerie Ross]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 01:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-118114&quot;&gt;OTVIIIisGrrr8!&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow!  Just like Snow White!!!  Hey, I&#039;ve just figured out the solution to all Scientology&#039;s legal problems.  Raise the copy paper budget so the employees don&#039;t have to steal any more from government offices and those mean old Feds will leave you alone.  Be sure to write this somewhere where the glorious leader can of course come up with this idea himself as I am not worthy of actually telling you I said it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/26/raid-on-scientologys-drug-rehab-center-in-atlanta/comment-page-1/#comment-118114">OTVIIIisGrrr8!</a>.</p>
<p>Wow!  Just like Snow White!!!  Hey, I&#8217;ve just figured out the solution to all Scientology&#8217;s legal problems.  Raise the copy paper budget so the employees don&#8217;t have to steal any more from government offices and those mean old Feds will leave you alone.  Be sure to write this somewhere where the glorious leader can of course come up with this idea himself as I am not worthy of actually telling you I said it.</p>
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