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	Comments on: Narconon Tackles NFL Legend Jim Brown, Anne Archer Snags a Kennedy	</title>
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		By: Michele Manion		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michele Manion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2013 21:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/07/narconon-tackles-nfl-legend-jim-brown-anne-archer-snags-a-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-108839&quot;&gt;Jefferson Hawkins&lt;/a&gt;.

I think Kerry Kennedy is just following the proud tradition of her family in failing to do any actual homework before jumping in as the face of a cause. Her brother, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., was one of the most vocal (and uninformed) anti-vaccine activists out there during the Andrew Wakefield years. Now that Wakefield has been exposed as a fraud and a conman and Kennedy&#039;s assertions have been debunked and exposed for the scientifically illiterate hyperbole they were--often by embarrassing retractions of stuff he actually published--he has been strangely silent. He may have had legitimate concerns about these issues, but he failed to fully understand either the science or the players involved in the Wakefield MMR fraud before he dove in headfirst and ultimately made a fool of himself. They appear to look before they leap or to be particularly gullible or something--in other words, perfect celebrity fooltools for Scientology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/07/narconon-tackles-nfl-legend-jim-brown-anne-archer-snags-a-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-108839">Jefferson Hawkins</a>.</p>
<p>I think Kerry Kennedy is just following the proud tradition of her family in failing to do any actual homework before jumping in as the face of a cause. Her brother, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., was one of the most vocal (and uninformed) anti-vaccine activists out there during the Andrew Wakefield years. Now that Wakefield has been exposed as a fraud and a conman and Kennedy&#8217;s assertions have been debunked and exposed for the scientifically illiterate hyperbole they were&#8211;often by embarrassing retractions of stuff he actually published&#8211;he has been strangely silent. He may have had legitimate concerns about these issues, but he failed to fully understand either the science or the players involved in the Wakefield MMR fraud before he dove in headfirst and ultimately made a fool of himself. They appear to look before they leap or to be particularly gullible or something&#8211;in other words, perfect celebrity fooltools for Scientology.</p>
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		By: Jane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/07/narconon-tackles-nfl-legend-jim-brown-anne-archer-snags-a-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-109010&quot;&gt;ParticleMom&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks.  That makes sense.]]></description>
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<p>Thanks.  That makes sense.</p>
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		By: John P.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 22:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/07/narconon-tackles-nfl-legend-jim-brown-anne-archer-snags-a-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-109253&quot;&gt;Midwest Mom&lt;/a&gt;.

MWM, thanks for the link to the ultimate UV-proof swimsuit.  As you know, supermodels will gouge each other&#039;s eyes out for a chance to have the cover of an exciting new swimsuit catalog.  I checked with several of the junior supermodels to see if they remembered this one; a couple of them went for the audition.  But when they saw what they were going to be wearing, they figured it wasn&#039;t worth their time. Why go through years of waxing, exfoliating, exercising, dieting and all the rest if the readers aren&#039;t actually going to see you?  Apparently, the producers went and got a couple of eyelash models (a highly specialized form of face model) to do the job for cheaper.  According to Supermodel #1, who has much experience in such things, it&#039;s the first time she ever heard of a swimsuit shoot that went begging for talent in Los Angeles.  

PS: Most supermodels never have tan lines from bikini ties.  That&#039;s because they are always able to sun themselves &lt;i&gt;au naturel&lt;/I&gt; at the waterfront estates of capitalists like me all summer long.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/07/narconon-tackles-nfl-legend-jim-brown-anne-archer-snags-a-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-109253">Midwest Mom</a>.</p>
<p>MWM, thanks for the link to the ultimate UV-proof swimsuit.  As you know, supermodels will gouge each other&#8217;s eyes out for a chance to have the cover of an exciting new swimsuit catalog.  I checked with several of the junior supermodels to see if they remembered this one; a couple of them went for the audition.  But when they saw what they were going to be wearing, they figured it wasn&#8217;t worth their time. Why go through years of waxing, exfoliating, exercising, dieting and all the rest if the readers aren&#8217;t actually going to see you?  Apparently, the producers went and got a couple of eyelash models (a highly specialized form of face model) to do the job for cheaper.  According to Supermodel #1, who has much experience in such things, it&#8217;s the first time she ever heard of a swimsuit shoot that went begging for talent in Los Angeles.  </p>
<p>PS: Most supermodels never have tan lines from bikini ties.  That&#8217;s because they are always able to sun themselves <i>au naturel</i> at the waterfront estates of capitalists like me all summer long.</p>
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		By: Midwest Mom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Midwest Mom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 21:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/07/narconon-tackles-nfl-legend-jim-brown-anne-archer-snags-a-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-108987&quot;&gt;John P.&lt;/a&gt;.

I found just the bathing suit for your special lady.  It has 50+ UV protection and is blotch-proof, and also, no more worrying about tan lines from bikini ties!
http://www.muslim-swimwear.com/cat/index.cgi/shopfront/view_product_details?category_id=7503;product_id=370465
I can&#039;t tell from the photo if there is exposure of the t &#038; a areas (toes and ankles).

I &#039;m glad you&#039;re having a good time!  It snowed here last night and in the morning.  (Don&#039;t be too jealous - not everyone is lucky enough to be having the fun that I&#039;m enjoying by clearing off my car and pushing my yooper scooper along my driveway and walkway!)  Try not to think of that while you are enjoying your cocktails and relaxing on your chaise lounge.  ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/07/narconon-tackles-nfl-legend-jim-brown-anne-archer-snags-a-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-108987">John P.</a>.</p>
<p>I found just the bathing suit for your special lady.  It has 50+ UV protection and is blotch-proof, and also, no more worrying about tan lines from bikini ties!<br />
<a href="http://www.muslim-swimwear.com/cat/index.cgi/shopfront/view_product_details?category_id=7503;product_id=370465" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.muslim-swimwear.com/cat/index.cgi/shopfront/view_product_details?category_id=7503;product_id=370465</a><br />
I can&#8217;t tell from the photo if there is exposure of the t &amp; a areas (toes and ankles).</p>
<p>I &#8216;m glad you&#8217;re having a good time!  It snowed here last night and in the morning.  (Don&#8217;t be too jealous &#8211; not everyone is lucky enough to be having the fun that I&#8217;m enjoying by clearing off my car and pushing my yooper scooper along my driveway and walkway!)  Try not to think of that while you are enjoying your cocktails and relaxing on your chaise lounge.  😉</p>
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		By: Kitz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/07/narconon-tackles-nfl-legend-jim-brown-anne-archer-snags-a-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-108890&quot;&gt;Captain Howdy&lt;/a&gt;.

They even have a fitting end to DM... A blood eagle. (Gruesome warning for early morning)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/07/narconon-tackles-nfl-legend-jim-brown-anne-archer-snags-a-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-108890">Captain Howdy</a>.</p>
<p>They even have a fitting end to DM&#8230; A blood eagle. (Gruesome warning for early morning)</p>
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		By: JustCallMeMary		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great stuff, here, Tony!

 We appreciate your attention to and info on Per Wickstrom and his Narconon related facilities, along with linking Miss Fortune&#039;s wonderful blog write ups about what&#039;s happening in MI with Narconon and it&#039;s front groups, A Forever Recovery and Best Drug Rehab Center. I feel sorry for Jim Brown and his foundation. I hope you get a response from them on your article. Per Wickstrom is the man originally behind the marketing strategies set into motion in using fake referral websites. Yes, remember that face, that ugly face wherein lies one of the most narcissistic and dangerous scientologists.

I was dismayed to see Kerry Kennedy Cuomo promoting Scientology&#039;s art front group. I hope we get some answers as to why she got herself hooked up with them. No doubt however,  as we have seen from Lawrence Wright&#039;s book, Ann Archer&#039;s enthusiasm and ability to spout the Koolaid, she pursued the woman with vigor.

I love Karen&#039;s videos. Some of the info in this one should come as a surprise to many former members and members alike. Keep up the good work, Karen, AGP and J Swift! 

It makes me sick to see how Scientology infiltrates areas of the world, especially when they are targeting the children. I know it&#039;s a lot to ask of exes but any help is appreciated in trying to break these connections and prevent new ones from popping up. Remember, scientology  zealots are working hard to reach all corners of the world and there is probably some level of activity going on in one&#039;s area, one&#039;s county or state or country being targeted, if not targeted already. Readers can contact me for more information and assistance in finding out where they could be of help and how. Every little bit helps! (Mary McConnell email  xscientologist @ gmail. com )

Having once been an official &quot;opinion leader&#039; for the church, flyer really cracked me up. They probably label anyone who ever brought someone into scientology an &quot;Opinion Leader&quot;, lol!

Thanks for posting all these event flyers, and thanks to those who send them in. It&#039;s amusing to see how the church propaganda is used to keep fools in the fold.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff, here, Tony!</p>
<p> We appreciate your attention to and info on Per Wickstrom and his Narconon related facilities, along with linking Miss Fortune&#8217;s wonderful blog write ups about what&#8217;s happening in MI with Narconon and it&#8217;s front groups, A Forever Recovery and Best Drug Rehab Center. I feel sorry for Jim Brown and his foundation. I hope you get a response from them on your article. Per Wickstrom is the man originally behind the marketing strategies set into motion in using fake referral websites. Yes, remember that face, that ugly face wherein lies one of the most narcissistic and dangerous scientologists.</p>
<p>I was dismayed to see Kerry Kennedy Cuomo promoting Scientology&#8217;s art front group. I hope we get some answers as to why she got herself hooked up with them. No doubt however,  as we have seen from Lawrence Wright&#8217;s book, Ann Archer&#8217;s enthusiasm and ability to spout the Koolaid, she pursued the woman with vigor.</p>
<p>I love Karen&#8217;s videos. Some of the info in this one should come as a surprise to many former members and members alike. Keep up the good work, Karen, AGP and J Swift! </p>
<p>It makes me sick to see how Scientology infiltrates areas of the world, especially when they are targeting the children. I know it&#8217;s a lot to ask of exes but any help is appreciated in trying to break these connections and prevent new ones from popping up. Remember, scientology  zealots are working hard to reach all corners of the world and there is probably some level of activity going on in one&#8217;s area, one&#8217;s county or state or country being targeted, if not targeted already. Readers can contact me for more information and assistance in finding out where they could be of help and how. Every little bit helps! (Mary McConnell email  xscientologist @ gmail. com )</p>
<p>Having once been an official &#8220;opinion leader&#8217; for the church, flyer really cracked me up. They probably label anyone who ever brought someone into scientology an &#8220;Opinion Leader&#8221;, lol!</p>
<p>Thanks for posting all these event flyers, and thanks to those who send them in. It&#8217;s amusing to see how the church propaganda is used to keep fools in the fold.</p>
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		By: Kitz		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kitz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 13:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/07/narconon-tackles-nfl-legend-jim-brown-anne-archer-snags-a-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-108904&quot;&gt;Chocolate Velvet&lt;/a&gt;.

Prisoners of war, and those that were outlaw - enemies of the community - were dealt with that way or bogged as sacrifices to Odin. I doubt he would consider them a worthy sacrifice though.... ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/07/narconon-tackles-nfl-legend-jim-brown-anne-archer-snags-a-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-108904">Chocolate Velvet</a>.</p>
<p>Prisoners of war, and those that were outlaw &#8211; enemies of the community &#8211; were dealt with that way or bogged as sacrifices to Odin. I doubt he would consider them a worthy sacrifice though&#8230;. 😉</p>
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		By: Natalie Hagemo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Natalie Hagemo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 12:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/07/narconon-tackles-nfl-legend-jim-brown-anne-archer-snags-a-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-108977&quot;&gt;Sandy&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m from Hawaii, now live in Minnesota and can&#039;t get enough of my beloved Spam, so I&#039;m with you Sandy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/07/narconon-tackles-nfl-legend-jim-brown-anne-archer-snags-a-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-108977">Sandy</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m from Hawaii, now live in Minnesota and can&#8217;t get enough of my beloved Spam, so I&#8217;m with you Sandy.</p>
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		By: Miss Fortune Traverse City		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miss Fortune Traverse City]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 11:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/07/narconon-tackles-nfl-legend-jim-brown-anne-archer-snags-a-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-108917&quot;&gt;Chuck Beatty&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for your comments]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/07/narconon-tackles-nfl-legend-jim-brown-anne-archer-snags-a-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-108917">Chuck Beatty</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for your comments</p>
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		By: FistOfXenu		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FistOfXenu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2013 11:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/07/narconon-tackles-nfl-legend-jim-brown-anne-archer-snags-a-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-108942&quot;&gt;Andrew Robertson&lt;/a&gt;.

I get your point about FOADisqus. I was just imagining some Lower Conditions guy wondering if he could get away with claiming he sabotaged us. It was meant as a joke but I guess it worked better in my head. Sorry!


I remember Snow White and Freakout. Until I learned about them I thought $cientarCONon was slightly dangerous and padded their reputation out pretending to play hard ball.  These operations convinced me the cult was really dangerous the way mobsters are dangerous. The only thing that&#039;s changed since then is now I think the comparisons with mobsters missed how dangerous they really were. At their worst I think the cult was a terrorist organization that bordered on treasonous.  


I said &quot;was&quot; because for now at least, they&#039;re running search and destroy on their enemies and critics with much less vicious efficiency than they showed back then. I don&#039;t mean they&#039;re not dangerous at all anymore, just saying they&#039;ve lost a lot of the ferocity that used to terrify book publishers, newspapers, broadcasters and others. We have momentum now and we have to keep it growing and not lose it, but $cientarCONon isn&#039;t what it was.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/07/narconon-tackles-nfl-legend-jim-brown-anne-archer-snags-a-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-108942">Andrew Robertson</a>.</p>
<p>I get your point about FOADisqus. I was just imagining some Lower Conditions guy wondering if he could get away with claiming he sabotaged us. It was meant as a joke but I guess it worked better in my head. Sorry!</p>
<p>I remember Snow White and Freakout. Until I learned about them I thought $cientarCONon was slightly dangerous and padded their reputation out pretending to play hard ball.  These operations convinced me the cult was really dangerous the way mobsters are dangerous. The only thing that&#8217;s changed since then is now I think the comparisons with mobsters missed how dangerous they really were. At their worst I think the cult was a terrorist organization that bordered on treasonous.  </p>
<p>I said &#8220;was&#8221; because for now at least, they&#8217;re running search and destroy on their enemies and critics with much less vicious efficiency than they showed back then. I don&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re not dangerous at all anymore, just saying they&#8217;ve lost a lot of the ferocity that used to terrify book publishers, newspapers, broadcasters and others. We have momentum now and we have to keep it growing and not lose it, but $cientarCONon isn&#8217;t what it was.</p>
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