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	Comments on: Oklahoma Bill Aimed to Curb Scientology&#8217;s Drug Rehab Passes House Committee	</title>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-107376</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2013 13:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-107327&quot;&gt;Bruce&lt;/a&gt;.

I guess I&#039;m at the point in my life where I don&#039;t even spend the time to skip 200 pages to start a story.  If I&#039;m going to reread something, I&#039;m even pickier than I was 20 years ago.

Now, I&#039;ll spend time reading something new.

For some reason, you connected with the story or characters in  BE and had the fortitude to stick with the book through 200 pages, or you did a lot of skimming to get to that point.


Moviegoers won&#039;t sit through half an hour or so to have something come alive, and, if DM was messing with the movie, he was doing it from the viewpoint of a supplicant.


The best movie I ever saw about Jesus was done by a gay Italian communist.  None of the special effects that you usually see, but a portrayal of a simple man with a simple, powerful, message.  The rest of the movies about him are made for the faithful, in essence the Christian equivalent of clams.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-107327">Bruce</a>.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m at the point in my life where I don&#8217;t even spend the time to skip 200 pages to start a story.  If I&#8217;m going to reread something, I&#8217;m even pickier than I was 20 years ago.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;ll spend time reading something new.</p>
<p>For some reason, you connected with the story or characters in  BE and had the fortitude to stick with the book through 200 pages, or you did a lot of skimming to get to that point.</p>
<p>Moviegoers won&#8217;t sit through half an hour or so to have something come alive, and, if DM was messing with the movie, he was doing it from the viewpoint of a supplicant.</p>
<p>The best movie I ever saw about Jesus was done by a gay Italian communist.  None of the special effects that you usually see, but a portrayal of a simple man with a simple, powerful, message.  The rest of the movies about him are made for the faithful, in essence the Christian equivalent of clams.</p>
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		By: Bruce		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-107327</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Apr 2013 08:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-106718&quot;&gt;Missionary Kid&lt;/a&gt;.

The book did actually get much better later on.  Not Asimov, Heinlein, Bear, or Card level, but up to a decent level.  I just skip to page 200 or so when I re-read it, lol.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-106718">Missionary Kid</a>.</p>
<p>The book did actually get much better later on.  Not Asimov, Heinlein, Bear, or Card level, but up to a decent level.  I just skip to page 200 or so when I re-read it, lol.</p>
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		By: Snippy_X		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snippy_X]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Exempt groups added by Senate:

6. Faith-based, nonresidential recovery programs;

7. Residential recovery-based programs with a resident capacity
of less than twelve; or

*Exempt groups added by House:*

--&#062;8. Residential recovery and recovery support programs that are
not collocated with certified treatment programs. 



However, the Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services shall offer voluntary certification for those resident recovery and recovery support programs that are not collocated with certified treatment programs that desire Department certification.


This Bill LOOSENS the requirements on rehabs! Who isn&#039;t exempt from this Bill? That would be a shorter list. WTF.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exempt groups added by Senate:</p>
<p>6. Faith-based, nonresidential recovery programs;</p>
<p>7. Residential recovery-based programs with a resident capacity<br />
of less than twelve; or</p>
<p>*Exempt groups added by House:*</p>
<p>&#8211;&gt;8. Residential recovery and recovery support programs that are<br />
not collocated with certified treatment programs. </p>
<p>However, the Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services shall offer voluntary certification for those resident recovery and recovery support programs that are not collocated with certified treatment programs that desire Department certification.</p>
<p>This Bill LOOSENS the requirements on rehabs! Who isn&#8217;t exempt from this Bill? That would be a shorter list. WTF.</p>
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		By: Trustmeonthis		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-107056</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trustmeonthis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 04:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-107055&quot;&gt;Exterrier&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m just offering my opinion, like everyone else on here. My opinion is that rape jokes are stupid, and well beneath the comedic talents of JP. So, I said so. Sorry if you don&#039;t like it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-107055">Exterrier</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just offering my opinion, like everyone else on here. My opinion is that rape jokes are stupid, and well beneath the comedic talents of JP. So, I said so. Sorry if you don&#8217;t like it!</p>
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		By: Exterrier		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Exterrier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 04:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-106878&quot;&gt;Trustmeonthis&lt;/a&gt;.

Just gave you another on, and and up on this one.    I never noticed this site to be politically correct up to now, so why start,   I say.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-106878">Trustmeonthis</a>.</p>
<p>Just gave you another on, and and up on this one.    I never noticed this site to be politically correct up to now, so why start,   I say.</p>
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		By: Exterrier		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-107053</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Exterrier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Apr 2013 03:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-106969&quot;&gt;RMycroft&lt;/a&gt;.

This clip is awesome, RMycroft.    It will take both these guys a long time to get over that  part of their lives, and they are still disconnected from friends and loved ones.   But here they are fishing and reminiscing in a healthy way.   Really,  I see them as ptsd survivors,  who also underwent the indignity of having their personalities warped to the extent of engaging in lies and intimidations and bullying themselves.    And they are working through their shame and reassembling themselves.     If this can happen to bright talented guys like this,  then you know how powerful the forces are that twist you in the cult.      I will have to watch any more of this interview that is up there.     They still have a &quot;I can&#039;t believe we put up with all that, and did those things&quot; aura about them.     They must be like abused brothers reuniting.    I know they were sycophants themselves,  but it heartens me to see them like this,  doing the right thing proudly at last.   Good for em both.    It will make a great movie one day,  better than The Master.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-106969">RMycroft</a>.</p>
<p>This clip is awesome, RMycroft.    It will take both these guys a long time to get over that  part of their lives, and they are still disconnected from friends and loved ones.   But here they are fishing and reminiscing in a healthy way.   Really,  I see them as ptsd survivors,  who also underwent the indignity of having their personalities warped to the extent of engaging in lies and intimidations and bullying themselves.    And they are working through their shame and reassembling themselves.     If this can happen to bright talented guys like this,  then you know how powerful the forces are that twist you in the cult.      I will have to watch any more of this interview that is up there.     They still have a &#8220;I can&#8217;t believe we put up with all that, and did those things&#8221; aura about them.     They must be like abused brothers reuniting.    I know they were sycophants themselves,  but it heartens me to see them like this,  doing the right thing proudly at last.   Good for em both.    It will make a great movie one day,  better than The Master.</p>
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		By: Lliira		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-107004</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lliira]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 22:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-106715&quot;&gt;media_lush&lt;/a&gt;.

Rape jokes have been around longer than showers have. I don&#039;t know if it used to have some other meaning (whatever that could possibly be), but these days, it is a rape joke.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-106715">media_lush</a>.</p>
<p>Rape jokes have been around longer than showers have. I don&#8217;t know if it used to have some other meaning (whatever that could possibly be), but these days, it is a rape joke.</p>
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		By: Lliira		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lliira]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 22:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-106725&quot;&gt;0tessa&lt;/a&gt;.

Being gay is not a flaw. Being a sexual predator is not &quot;a bit aggressive&quot;. But every single time any group treats normal and healthy sexuality as flawed, they create a haven for sexual predators. Because if masturbating is evil; if consensual sex with another adult is evil; well, then, rapists can say &quot;I raped 50 children but you touched yourself, so we&#039;re exactly the same! Besides, they were asking for it.&quot; It happens every single time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-106725">0tessa</a>.</p>
<p>Being gay is not a flaw. Being a sexual predator is not &#8220;a bit aggressive&#8221;. But every single time any group treats normal and healthy sexuality as flawed, they create a haven for sexual predators. Because if masturbating is evil; if consensual sex with another adult is evil; well, then, rapists can say &#8220;I raped 50 children but you touched yourself, so we&#8217;re exactly the same! Besides, they were asking for it.&#8221; It happens every single time.</p>
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		By: Lliira		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lliira]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 22:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I sure wouldn&#039;t welcome a sex offender with &quot;open arms&quot;. This isn&#039;t about Travolta&#039;s sexual orientation, it&#039;s about him being a predator. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure wouldn&#8217;t welcome a sex offender with &#8220;open arms&#8221;. This isn&#8217;t about Travolta&#8217;s sexual orientation, it&#8217;s about him being a predator. </p>
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		By: Missionary Kid		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-106982</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Missionary Kid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2013 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-106969&quot;&gt;RMycroft&lt;/a&gt;.

Do you think $cientology had anything to do with the money supposedly disappearing, as was discussed in the Wikipedia article on the movie?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/04/02/oklahoma-bill-aimed-to-curb-scientologys-drug-rehab-passes-house-committee/comment-page-1/#comment-106969">RMycroft</a>.</p>
<p>Do you think $cientology had anything to do with the money supposedly disappearing, as was discussed in the Wikipedia article on the movie?</p>
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