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	Comments on: Scientology&#8217;s Version of Family Values: The Group is Everything	</title>
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		By: Joshua Lilly		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-1818937</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joshua Lilly]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[“Now write up your own O/Ws with C/S OK. Start with the first dynamic and get all O/Ws off. Then the second dynamic, etc., and through the rest of the dynamics. Do them per the W/H system. These O/Ws are totally confidential to your supervisor and C/S, no one else. They will not be used against you. The point is, that this is your chance to come fully clean. After the O/Ws are complete, present them to your supervisor. Then get an exam and write a success story. The write up goes to your pc folder.”


What the HELL does that paragraph mean???]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Now write up your own O/Ws with C/S OK. Start with the first dynamic and get all O/Ws off. Then the second dynamic, etc., and through the rest of the dynamics. Do them per the W/H system. These O/Ws are totally confidential to your supervisor and C/S, no one else. They will not be used against you. The point is, that this is your chance to come fully clean. After the O/Ws are complete, present them to your supervisor. Then get an exam and write a success story. The write up goes to your pc folder.”</p>
<p>What the HELL does that paragraph mean???</p>
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		By: Mary_McConnell		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-105267</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary_McConnell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Mar 2013 00:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Claire! As always, telling it like it is!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Claire! As always, telling it like it is!!</p>
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		By: Poison Ivy		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-104417</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Poison Ivy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-103816&quot;&gt;Captain Howdy&lt;/a&gt;.

I had a feeling they&#039;d be up your alley, Capt!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-103816">Captain Howdy</a>.</p>
<p>I had a feeling they&#8217;d be up your alley, Capt!</p>
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		By: Poison Ivy		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-104416</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Poison Ivy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-103683&quot;&gt;N. Graham&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Worst Film of the Two Millenniums&quot; - great moniker!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-103683">N. Graham</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Worst Film of the Two Millenniums&#8221; &#8211; great moniker!</p>
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		By: Poison Ivy		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-104415</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Poison Ivy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-103788&quot;&gt;Espiando&lt;/a&gt;.

I think the stress of endless sec checks, the feeling that you can&#039;t trust anyone, the being on-edge all the time, plus the incredible mental gymnastics it takes to wake up to massive and overwhelming cognitive dissonance each day are enough to cause disease.  Add in the sleep deprivation, poor nutrition and other deprivations that Sea Orgers undergo and you&#039;ve got a recipe for instant cancer, IMHO.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-103788">Espiando</a>.</p>
<p>I think the stress of endless sec checks, the feeling that you can&#8217;t trust anyone, the being on-edge all the time, plus the incredible mental gymnastics it takes to wake up to massive and overwhelming cognitive dissonance each day are enough to cause disease.  Add in the sleep deprivation, poor nutrition and other deprivations that Sea Orgers undergo and you&#8217;ve got a recipe for instant cancer, IMHO.</p>
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		By: Poison Ivy		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-104414</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Poison Ivy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-103813&quot;&gt;Ze Moo&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, definitely steroids.   I&#039;m sure he&#039;s been on HGH for years (very big in Hollywood.)  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s botox; botox only does so much.  I think he had a very good facelift maybe some fillers but not much -he doesn&#039;t have the filler &quot;puffy&quot; look - and probably a pretty serious chemical peel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-103813">Ze Moo</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, definitely steroids.   I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s been on HGH for years (very big in Hollywood.)  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s botox; botox only does so much.  I think he had a very good facelift maybe some fillers but not much -he doesn&#8217;t have the filler &#8220;puffy&#8221; look &#8211; and probably a pretty serious chemical peel.</p>
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		By: Sandy		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-104303</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sandy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 22:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-103869&quot;&gt;Poison Ivy&lt;/a&gt;.

wow, PI.  You said what I was thinking, but so much better.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-103869">Poison Ivy</a>.</p>
<p>wow, PI.  You said what I was thinking, but so much better&#8230;..</p>
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		By: RMycroft		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-104052</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RMycroft]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-103719&quot;&gt;Sherbet&lt;/a&gt;.

Yep, it doesn&#039;t get much worse than a mock funeral procession down the main street of your small town. (Oh wait, this is Scientology, it&#039;s always worse than you think.) See her videos on YouTube.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-103719">Sherbet</a>.</p>
<p>Yep, it doesn&#8217;t get much worse than a mock funeral procession down the main street of your small town. (Oh wait, this is Scientology, it&#8217;s always worse than you think.) See her videos on YouTube.</p>
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		By: CraftLass		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CraftLass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-103862&quot;&gt;villagedianne&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the link and info! The progression of LRH through those early days is fascinating. But, yup, there we go again with how isolating yourself is the perfect way to start really believing your own crap. Or at least that your crap don&#039;t stink. And you have to remove anyone you stole ideas from, right? Otherwise, your authority is diluted. Ugh. 


Everyone talks about possible diagnoses for LRH but I&#039;m surprised OCD doesn&#039;t come up more. Not just because of his obsession with cleanliness but OCD can make a person really obsessed with more esoteric things. Everything I&#039;ve read about the Apollo days just screams unchecked OCD.


Gotta make some more time for Paul&#039;s Rabbit Hole, keep finding such good stuff! Thanks again! :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-103862">villagedianne</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link and info! The progression of LRH through those early days is fascinating. But, yup, there we go again with how isolating yourself is the perfect way to start really believing your own crap. Or at least that your crap don&#8217;t stink. And you have to remove anyone you stole ideas from, right? Otherwise, your authority is diluted. Ugh. </p>
<p>Everyone talks about possible diagnoses for LRH but I&#8217;m surprised OCD doesn&#8217;t come up more. Not just because of his obsession with cleanliness but OCD can make a person really obsessed with more esoteric things. Everything I&#8217;ve read about the Apollo days just screams unchecked OCD.</p>
<p>Gotta make some more time for Paul&#8217;s Rabbit Hole, keep finding such good stuff! Thanks again! 🙂</p>
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		By: Observer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 14:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-103844&quot;&gt;Captain Howdy&lt;/a&gt;.

If I recall correctly, signing over the rights to BFG were included in the &quot;church&#039;s&quot; conditions for waiving the $42,000 in court costs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/26/scientologys-version-of-family-values-the-group-is-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-103844">Captain Howdy</a>.</p>
<p>If I recall correctly, signing over the rights to BFG were included in the &#8220;church&#8217;s&#8221; conditions for waiving the $42,000 in court costs.</p>
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