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	Comments on: Scientology Ordered to Turn Over Confidential Files in Forced-Abortion Lawsuit	</title>
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		By: FistOfXenu		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FistOfXenu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/20/scientology-ordered-to-turn-over-confidential-files-in-forced-abortion-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-102754&quot;&gt;Bella Legosi&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;d love it more if Alex didn&#039;t remind me of Demented Midget.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/20/scientology-ordered-to-turn-over-confidential-files-in-forced-abortion-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-102754">Bella Legosi</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love it more if Alex didn&#8217;t remind me of Demented Midget.</p>
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		By: Bella Legosi		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bella Legosi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Mar 2013 07:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/20/scientology-ordered-to-turn-over-confidential-files-in-forced-abortion-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-101545&quot;&gt;FistOfXenu&lt;/a&gt;.

Hehe &quot;Lick my boot.&quot; God I love A Clockwork Orange]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/20/scientology-ordered-to-turn-over-confidential-files-in-forced-abortion-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-101545">FistOfXenu</a>.</p>
<p>Hehe &#8220;Lick my boot.&#8221; God I love A Clockwork Orange</p>
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		By: Jgg2012		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jgg2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Scientology’s brief reminds me of an old law school saying:

If the facts are on your side, pound the facts into the table. If the law is on your side, pound the law into the table. If neither the facts nor the law are on your side, pound the table.

In other words, distract the court with a list of cites that are impressive but irrelevant. 
 Scientology says auditing is &quot;Priest-penitent&quot;.Narconon says it is secular and medically effective.  Well, which is it?  No, the court won&#039;t make discussions of thetans admissible, but if it finds evidence  that Laura was coerced or deceived, the First Amendment won&#039;t apply to that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientology’s brief reminds me of an old law school saying:</p>
<p>If the facts are on your side, pound the facts into the table. If the law is on your side, pound the law into the table. If neither the facts nor the law are on your side, pound the table.</p>
<p>In other words, distract the court with a list of cites that are impressive but irrelevant.<br />
 Scientology says auditing is &#8220;Priest-penitent&#8221;.Narconon says it is secular and medically effective.  Well, which is it?  No, the court won&#8217;t make discussions of thetans admissible, but if it finds evidence  that Laura was coerced or deceived, the First Amendment won&#8217;t apply to that.</p>
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		By: dwayners13		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dwayners13]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 14:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/20/scientology-ordered-to-turn-over-confidential-files-in-forced-abortion-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-101451&quot;&gt;Ze Moo&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s a great question. Logic would say you keep the sea org workers who cleaned up her file happy (ie., give them a nice reward, such as cash, cushy job &#038; one of those nice medals such as the &#039;medal of valor&#039; Cruise received. That would be the logical approach, however we&#039;re talking about Miscavige &#038; he&#039;s not exactly known for handling issues like this in a logical or rational manner. He&#039;d probably wait until they&#039;re finished the job, thank them for serving the &#039;greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics&#039; &#038; then find a reason to throw their &#039;butts&#039; in the RPF &#038; claim it was the &#039;greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/20/scientology-ordered-to-turn-over-confidential-files-in-forced-abortion-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-101451">Ze Moo</a>.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a great question. Logic would say you keep the sea org workers who cleaned up her file happy (ie., give them a nice reward, such as cash, cushy job &amp; one of those nice medals such as the &#8216;medal of valor&#8217; Cruise received. That would be the logical approach, however we&#8217;re talking about Miscavige &amp; he&#8217;s not exactly known for handling issues like this in a logical or rational manner. He&#8217;d probably wait until they&#8217;re finished the job, thank them for serving the &#8216;greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics&#8217; &amp; then find a reason to throw their &#8216;butts&#8217; in the RPF &amp; claim it was the &#8216;greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics&#8217;.</p>
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		By: TheHoleDoesNotExist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TheHoleDoesNotExist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 13:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just came across this.  I knew Miscavige added his own dark twists in scientology ethics book.  Didn&#039;t know he added that scientologists are pressured and charged with a crime for not Enforcing Confessions!  Here on this WWP thread is a copy of a scientology ethics order listing just that!    Enforced Confessions?! Hope Laura&#039;s lawyers have this particular edition of scientology&#039;s Official ethics, justice and crimes book

https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/new-york-emails-leaked.43581/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just came across this.  I knew Miscavige added his own dark twists in scientology ethics book.  Didn&#8217;t know he added that scientologists are pressured and charged with a crime for not Enforcing Confessions!  Here on this WWP thread is a copy of a scientology ethics order listing just that!    Enforced Confessions?! Hope Laura&#8217;s lawyers have this particular edition of scientology&#8217;s Official ethics, justice and crimes book</p>
<p><a href="https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/new-york-emails-leaked.43581/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/new-york-emails-leaked.43581/</a></p>
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		By: Davka		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Davka]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Mar 2013 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/20/scientology-ordered-to-turn-over-confidential-files-in-forced-abortion-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-101559&quot;&gt;OTVIIIisGrrr8!&lt;/a&gt;.

Aww, OTVIII, I love you too :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/20/scientology-ordered-to-turn-over-confidential-files-in-forced-abortion-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-101559">OTVIIIisGrrr8!</a>.</p>
<p>Aww, OTVIII, I love you too 🙂</p>
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		By: Jgg2012		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jgg2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/20/scientology-ordered-to-turn-over-confidential-files-in-forced-abortion-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-101552&quot;&gt;OTVIIIisGrrr8!&lt;/a&gt;.

OT8, why do you scream at CV? Is it because you can&#039;t produce a single clear?  Or decide if Scientology is a science or a religion?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/20/scientology-ordered-to-turn-over-confidential-files-in-forced-abortion-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-101552">OTVIIIisGrrr8!</a>.</p>
<p>OT8, why do you scream at CV? Is it because you can&#8217;t produce a single clear?  Or decide if Scientology is a science or a religion?</p>
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		By: Jgg2012		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jgg2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/20/scientology-ordered-to-turn-over-confidential-files-in-forced-abortion-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-101367&quot;&gt;Ms. B. Haven&lt;/a&gt;.

Interesting.  In Laura&#039;s case, it&#039;s religious.  In the Narconon case, the exact same 
thing is secular and treats drug addiction.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/03/20/scientology-ordered-to-turn-over-confidential-files-in-forced-abortion-lawsuit/comment-page-1/#comment-101367">Ms. B. Haven</a>.</p>
<p>Interesting.  In Laura&#8217;s case, it&#8217;s religious.  In the Narconon case, the exact same<br />
thing is secular and treats drug addiction.</p>
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		By: OTVIIIisGrrr8!		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OTVIIIisGrrr8!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 19:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A former parishioner wants her folders back and we in the Church of Scientology say no. It&#039;s all protected priest-penitent information. Our fancy wog lawyers argue on our behalf: 

Easy ready willing billing time
When does it stop, where do you dare RTC to draw the line?
We got your folders now you want your soul 
Don&#039;t even think about it say no go

Now we&#039;ll do anything we want to do
We&#039;ll do anything COB wants us to
But we won&#039;t give back folders
No can do

We&#039;ll just lie and repeat the some old lines
Priest-penitent privilege is twice as nice
We used your body and used your soul
Now we have your folders and say no go

Oh we&#039;ll do anything we want to do
We&#039;ll do anything COB wants us to
But we won&#039;t give back folders
No can do
We can&#039;t go for that
No we can&#039;t go for that]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A former parishioner wants her folders back and we in the Church of Scientology say no. It&#8217;s all protected priest-penitent information. Our fancy wog lawyers argue on our behalf: </p>
<p>Easy ready willing billing time<br />
When does it stop, where do you dare RTC to draw the line?<br />
We got your folders now you want your soul<br />
Don&#8217;t even think about it say no go</p>
<p>Now we&#8217;ll do anything we want to do<br />
We&#8217;ll do anything COB wants us to<br />
But we won&#8217;t give back folders<br />
No can do</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll just lie and repeat the some old lines<br />
Priest-penitent privilege is twice as nice<br />
We used your body and used your soul<br />
Now we have your folders and say no go</p>
<p>Oh we&#8217;ll do anything we want to do<br />
We&#8217;ll do anything COB wants us to<br />
But we won&#8217;t give back folders<br />
No can do<br />
We can&#8217;t go for that<br />
No we can&#8217;t go for that</p>
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		By: hogarthian		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hogarthian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Mar 2013 15:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh dear. Faculty meeting, with Faculty lunch with Alcohol. It all adds up to incoherent ranting. But it comes from a good place, really it does.  I&#039;m just exasperated, and Mike Rinder&#039;s new blog was the straw that broke the camel&#039;s back. I&#039;m expecting to be excommunicated, which is furry muff. If I disappear, I&#039;m SO with you in spirit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear. Faculty meeting, with Faculty lunch with Alcohol. It all adds up to incoherent ranting. But it comes from a good place, really it does.  I&#8217;m just exasperated, and Mike Rinder&#8217;s new blog was the straw that broke the camel&#8217;s back. I&#8217;m expecting to be excommunicated, which is furry muff. If I disappear, I&#8217;m SO with you in spirit.</p>
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