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		By: Kaarli Makela		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-1832137</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kaarli Makela]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hubbard reminds me of Mr. Haney on Green Acres, or at best, The Music Man ... who has to figure out how to convince you he has the cure to your problem, as soon as he figures out a problem for you to have!  
Here is the Youtube clip of the Great Persuader Robert Preston performing &quot;Ya Got Trouble&quot; 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI_Oe-jtgdI]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hubbard reminds me of Mr. Haney on Green Acres, or at best, The Music Man &#8230; who has to figure out how to convince you he has the cure to your problem, as soon as he figures out a problem for you to have!<br />
Here is the Youtube clip of the Great Persuader Robert Preston performing &#8220;Ya Got Trouble&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI_Oe-jtgdI" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI_Oe-jtgdI</a></p>
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		By: Tray		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-1679287</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2016 05:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-90494&quot;&gt;John P.&lt;/a&gt;.

Lrh had to be shocked as anyone that his crap was accepted as dogma. I bet he went to bed shaking his head in disbelief every night until he &#039;abandoned his body&#039;. What a crock of crazy these ppl sell tax free. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-90494">John P.</a>.</p>
<p>Lrh had to be shocked as anyone that his crap was accepted as dogma. I bet he went to bed shaking his head in disbelief every night until he &#8216;abandoned his body&#8217;. What a crock of crazy these ppl sell tax free. </p>
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		By: Tray		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-1679286</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2016 05:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-90613&quot;&gt;OTVIIIisGrrr8!&lt;/a&gt;.

❤❤]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-90613">OTVIIIisGrrr8!</a>.</p>
<p>❤❤</p>
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		By: Tray		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2016 05:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-90521&quot;&gt;OTVIIIisGrrr8!&lt;/a&gt;.

No wonder your membership is so great, the charisma with which you write has pulled me in. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-90521">OTVIIIisGrrr8!</a>.</p>
<p>No wonder your membership is so great, the charisma with which you write has pulled me in. </p>
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		By: Jonathan W. Hendry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan W. Hendry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2013 07:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-90669&quot;&gt;grundoon&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;d like to see them try to keep Mike Tyson in the room watching the indoctrination film.

(That is, Tyson when he had money.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-90669">grundoon</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see them try to keep Mike Tyson in the room watching the indoctrination film.</p>
<p>(That is, Tyson when he had money.)</p>
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		By: Mark Luskin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Luskin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 23:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This perhaps the one unarguable piece from the first edition of the book to have a large Crowley influence. In his 1904 preface to _Goetia_ he suggests that the demons of the text are simply parts of the human brain stimulated by the name and symbol which must be confronted and integrated by the magician. Although LRH&#039;s later ideas on Thetans and Body Thetans seem to have a touch of the idea of Qlippoth this early idea of Engrams as Demons seems particularly in debt to Crowley.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This perhaps the one unarguable piece from the first edition of the book to have a large Crowley influence. In his 1904 preface to _Goetia_ he suggests that the demons of the text are simply parts of the human brain stimulated by the name and symbol which must be confronted and integrated by the magician. Although LRH&#8217;s later ideas on Thetans and Body Thetans seem to have a touch of the idea of Qlippoth this early idea of Engrams as Demons seems particularly in debt to Crowley.</p>
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		By: Damian DeWitt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Damian DeWitt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-90662&quot;&gt;grundoon&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you.  Tomkins is really a remarkable thinker. He was remarkably well equipped intellectually. He is a philopher-experimental psychologist. 


His first doctorate was a PhD in Philosophy focusing on value. He then took a break and supported himself by handicapping horse races. He was very good and was able to support himself that way. 


It also gave him first-hand experience dealing with people ordinary psychologists and philosophers don&#039;t truck with, and got him interested in studying addiction, on  which he did a great deal of work.


When he saved enough money he went to Harvard at a time of great creavity among psychologisrts and did his second doctorare in psychology. 


You are quite right that Freud et al. did mostly case studies. Tomkins however was an experimental pschycolotogist who devised ingenious experiments to provide empirical backing for his conceptualization of affect.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-90662">grundoon</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you.  Tomkins is really a remarkable thinker. He was remarkably well equipped intellectually. He is a philopher-experimental psychologist. </p>
<p>His first doctorate was a PhD in Philosophy focusing on value. He then took a break and supported himself by handicapping horse races. He was very good and was able to support himself that way. </p>
<p>It also gave him first-hand experience dealing with people ordinary psychologists and philosophers don&#8217;t truck with, and got him interested in studying addiction, on  which he did a great deal of work.</p>
<p>When he saved enough money he went to Harvard at a time of great creavity among psychologisrts and did his second doctorare in psychology. </p>
<p>You are quite right that Freud et al. did mostly case studies. Tomkins however was an experimental pschycolotogist who devised ingenious experiments to provide empirical backing for his conceptualization of affect.</p>
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		By: Damian DeWitt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Damian DeWitt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-90673&quot;&gt;grundoon&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the tip!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-90673">grundoon</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the tip!</p>
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		By: grundoon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grundoon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-90568&quot;&gt;Damian DeWitt&lt;/a&gt;.

Damian, to find non-Hubbard uses of &quot;engram&quot; you can use minus signs in your Google search:&lt;blockquote&gt;engram -hubbard -scientology&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-90568">Damian DeWitt</a>.</p>
<p>Damian, to find non-Hubbard uses of &#8220;engram&#8221; you can use minus signs in your Google search:</p>
<blockquote><p>engram -hubbard -scientology</p></blockquote>
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		By: sugarplumfairy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sugarplumfairy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-90667&quot;&gt;grundoon&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ll second that..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/02/22/blogging-dianetics-part-8-the-demon-seed/comment-page-1/#comment-90667">grundoon</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll second that..</p>
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