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		By: donnie harold harris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[donnie harold harris]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember this formula. With my massive awareness level ( called E.Q. today ) and 176 I.Q. I had a different take on it. It is a mental illness formula. The more time you speed trying to find yourself on it the crazier you are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember this formula. With my massive awareness level ( called E.Q. today ) and 176 I.Q. I had a different take on it. It is a mental illness formula. The more time you speed trying to find yourself on it the crazier you are.</p>
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		By: Rune Henning Johansen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rune Henning Johansen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2017 16:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In older books it was: PV = ID^x]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In older books it was: PV = ID^x</p>
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		By: brgulker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[brgulker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is all there is in the entire book? Whoa.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all there is in the entire book? Whoa.</p>
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		By: psychodiva		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[psychodiva]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This whole assessment could be applied to Deepak Chopra and his faux science utterings]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole assessment could be applied to Deepak Chopra and his faux science utterings</p>
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		By: Alissa Mower Clough		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alissa Mower Clough]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2013 16:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/25/blogging-dianetics-part-4-dynamically-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-79805&quot;&gt;John P.&lt;/a&gt;.

And, just remember, as of 1950, &quot;only twelve people on earth understand the theory of relativity&quot;, was still being bandied around as if it was an eternal and universal truism. Even as late as the early 80&#039;s, when I was studying physics, my grandmom was skeptical that I could simply up and use E=mc^2 in a school exercise, just like that. I needed a pass from LANL or something, apparently...So making up any kind of equation would have looked extremely impressive to your average Homo sap in the day...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/25/blogging-dianetics-part-4-dynamically-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-79805">John P.</a>.</p>
<p>And, just remember, as of 1950, &#8220;only twelve people on earth understand the theory of relativity&#8221;, was still being bandied around as if it was an eternal and universal truism. Even as late as the early 80&#8217;s, when I was studying physics, my grandmom was skeptical that I could simply up and use E=mc^2 in a school exercise, just like that. I needed a pass from LANL or something, apparently&#8230;So making up any kind of equation would have looked extremely impressive to your average Homo sap in the day&#8230;</p>
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		By: Poison Ivy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Poison Ivy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/25/blogging-dianetics-part-4-dynamically-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-79851&quot;&gt;BuryTheNuts2&lt;/a&gt;.

Aww Bury, you&#039;re just goofin&#039; the floof.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/25/blogging-dianetics-part-4-dynamically-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-79851">BuryTheNuts2</a>.</p>
<p>Aww Bury, you&#8217;re just goofin&#8217; the floof.</p>
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		By: dbloch7986		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dbloch7986]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/25/blogging-dianetics-part-4-dynamically-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-79881&quot;&gt;BuryTheNuts2&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh well. I guess I will just have to pretend this OSA impostor is you for a while until BTN 1 returns :(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/25/blogging-dianetics-part-4-dynamically-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-79881">BuryTheNuts2</a>.</p>
<p>Oh well. I guess I will just have to pretend this OSA impostor is you for a while until BTN 1 returns 🙁</p>
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		By: DeElizabethan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DeElizabethan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 07:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/25/blogging-dianetics-part-4-dynamically-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-79889&quot;&gt;California&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree about not much interest in this and I&#039;m one of those. I&#039;m more interested in what can I do to stop the abuses, lies, ad nauseam through education wherever I can. I know all the propaganda and even if picked apart and funny is not much of interest to me. However there are many who need to read this stuff and I will continue, just more in some areas or subjects than others. Wrights book was excellent tho it quelled the fire or urgency a bit. I have less time left than most do, so my desire for results is a little more keen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/25/blogging-dianetics-part-4-dynamically-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-79889">California</a>.</p>
<p>I agree about not much interest in this and I&#8217;m one of those. I&#8217;m more interested in what can I do to stop the abuses, lies, ad nauseam through education wherever I can. I know all the propaganda and even if picked apart and funny is not much of interest to me. However there are many who need to read this stuff and I will continue, just more in some areas or subjects than others. Wrights book was excellent tho it quelled the fire or urgency a bit. I have less time left than most do, so my desire for results is a little more keen.</p>
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		By: Alanzo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alanzo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/25/blogging-dianetics-part-4-dynamically-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-79889&quot;&gt;California&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah this is something I&#039;ve been doing for a while, since getting myself out of the &quot;rabbit warren&quot; of Hubbard&#039;s mindfuck (as Marty Rathbun has now called it today in a comment on his blog)

There are certain thinking patterns that Scientologists have adopted from &quot;thinking with Scientology&quot; which can be used to break up the ideological trap of Scientology and get them thinking again. Some Scientologists will never break out of the thinking patterns, and those people are the ones who will engage you and start calling you an &quot;SP&quot;, etc. This conflict can be used as an opportunity to spread the &quot;thought grenades&quot; that others will pick up and start thinking with.

Once you adopt the ideology of Scientology and let it do your thinking for you, it can be a long hard path back to yourself. I had to do it, and I try to help others do it too.

I feel a kind of responsibility to help with this. I try to get into places where Scientololgists gather on the internet. Here&#039;s an example of one of the things I&#039;ve tried over the years.

http://www.scnforum.org/index.php?t=msg&#038;th=738&#038;prevloaded=1&#038;S=e4e11820d7cc326063ac5426c06f5558&#038;start=0

Alanzo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/25/blogging-dianetics-part-4-dynamically-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-79889">California</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah this is something I&#8217;ve been doing for a while, since getting myself out of the &#8220;rabbit warren&#8221; of Hubbard&#8217;s mindfuck (as Marty Rathbun has now called it today in a comment on his blog)</p>
<p>There are certain thinking patterns that Scientologists have adopted from &#8220;thinking with Scientology&#8221; which can be used to break up the ideological trap of Scientology and get them thinking again. Some Scientologists will never break out of the thinking patterns, and those people are the ones who will engage you and start calling you an &#8220;SP&#8221;, etc. This conflict can be used as an opportunity to spread the &#8220;thought grenades&#8221; that others will pick up and start thinking with.</p>
<p>Once you adopt the ideology of Scientology and let it do your thinking for you, it can be a long hard path back to yourself. I had to do it, and I try to help others do it too.</p>
<p>I feel a kind of responsibility to help with this. I try to get into places where Scientololgists gather on the internet. Here&#8217;s an example of one of the things I&#8217;ve tried over the years.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scnforum.org/index.php?t=msg&#038;th=738&#038;prevloaded=1&#038;S=e4e11820d7cc326063ac5426c06f5558&#038;start=0" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.scnforum.org/index.php?t=msg&#038;th=738&#038;prevloaded=1&#038;S=e4e11820d7cc326063ac5426c06f5558&#038;start=0</a></p>
<p>Alanzo</p>
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		By: Robert Eckert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Eckert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/25/blogging-dianetics-part-4-dynamically-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-79885&quot;&gt;jensting&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;They do not make sense. The new recruit is surrounded by people who all agree that the writings do make sense. &quot;  This is reminiscent of the Asch conformity experiment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments

A group of people are asked to look at a pair of cards, one with a line on it and one with three lines of differing length, and say whether the single line is the same length as A, B, or C on the second card:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Asch_experiment.png



But the one who votes last is &quot;real&quot;; the rest are stooges who sometimes unanimously give the right answer but more often unanimously  give the wrong answer.  The majority of people, it turns out, have great difficulty sticking to their guns in such a circumstance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/25/blogging-dianetics-part-4-dynamically-speaking/comment-page-1/#comment-79885">jensting</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;They do not make sense. The new recruit is surrounded by people who all agree that the writings do make sense. &#8221;  This is reminiscent of the Asch conformity experiment:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asch_conformity_experiments</a></p>
<p>A group of people are asked to look at a pair of cards, one with a line on it and one with three lines of differing length, and say whether the single line is the same length as A, B, or C on the second card:</p>
<p><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Asch_experiment.png" rel="nofollow ugc">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Asch_experiment.png</a></p>
<p>But the one who votes last is &#8220;real&#8221;; the rest are stooges who sometimes unanimously give the right answer but more often unanimously  give the wrong answer.  The majority of people, it turns out, have great difficulty sticking to their guns in such a circumstance.</p>
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