Sorry but rebels and free-thinkers who care more about truth than labels and value non-conformity are definately not welcome in Scientology. And what it true for you is only true when it does not conflict with what was true for L. Ron Hubbard.

Excellent, Grundoon!

“Mark Bunker | January 21, 2013 at 10:42 pm | Reply

I have had a couple auditing sessions, one on camera and one not. They did nothing for me but I could see how others could benefit from them. I’ve listened to plenty of Hubbard lectures but not nearly as many as you have.

Let me ask this, did someone need to be a member of the Nazi party to write about Hitler’s Germany? Must Doris Kearns Goodwin have been a member of Lincoln’s cabinet to have written her book about his administration?

Journalists everyday write about subjects they themselves are not part of, whether it is politics, science, entertainment, sports and so on. Why does Scientology rely on the “they’ve never even been a member” defense and why do you feel it is valid? The former members and current indies that I’ve met and talked with were involved in the group. Their experiences are part of what I rely upon to form an opinion of Scientology. You examine what they say, look at the evidence pro and con and try to come to the right conclusions. What seems evident is, that contrary to what Scientology says, disconnection, freeloader bills, the Hole, forced abortions, and so on are part of what gives Scientology its bad name. Scientology defends these practices or denies their existence. If I were to become a member of Scientology to objectively write about these abuses, I would likely not write about them because Keeping Scientology Working would then become the greater good and I would likely shut down those negative thoughts so they wouldn’t get me in ethics trouble. At least that is what it seems like to an outsider who has been looking into this for a number of years.”

I thought it was a well thought out post and worthy of a comment.. Like I said NO ONE that I could see responded to his post…..

We are movie nuts in this household with teenagers! We play “What movie” all the time.

Hate to give them a hit and won’t in the future, but thanks anyway for trying.. I see comments are with ‘uploader approval’ so changed my orginal.

Have you seen the lronhubbard.org commercials that are running?

I’m in the Minneapolis/St. Paul market and I just saw one on my NBC affiliate.

Pretty heavy stuff. I sure hope most people actually go to Wikipedia before they visit the advertised site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VaMOa5Hh7E

I guess they aren’t very new, but I’ve never seen one on tv before.

Regarding those Finance Seminars and other topics, I attended, 95% of the talk was quoting Hubbards words. People in the audience take notes, they would have to keep asking oh give me the HCOB number again ec cetera.

I was quite disapointed in their talks as it was all shilling from tech and maybe 5% from themselves or their experiences. Damn robots and they were mostly OT 7 & 8’s or trained auditors. I’d say only 2 % of them I liked at all were helpful or were enjoyable to listen too.

Yes, of course, me too. Was very disappointed in that post. Wright said some positive things about Marty I thought, so far, then Marty turns so ugly to him. True- shame!

It’s called the Waterfront Tavern in Bellingham Wa. This dive has seen the likes of Ted Bundy, The Hillside Strangler, and The DC Sniper, and there are probably more. Not sure of the draw, perhaps it was the quarter beers. If you go, best to check the tide schedules, low tide can be a little whiffy for some.

But there’s only so much time for a quick reply. You’ve got to keep things sharp and short.

I understand your point, though.