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		By: DeElizabethan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/15/buzzfeed-takes-a-close-look-at-scientologys-ideal-org-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-75540&quot;&gt;Chuck Beatty&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Chuck, good post and info. I personally never heard of the Scientology Passport but maybe because I as always public, tho did know about coming back etc.
I will not be coming back myself even to this planet God, whoever that is, forbid. You really have a lot of information and I love to read your posts, thanks. DeE]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/15/buzzfeed-takes-a-close-look-at-scientologys-ideal-org-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-75540">Chuck Beatty</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Chuck, good post and info. I personally never heard of the Scientology Passport but maybe because I as always public, tho did know about coming back etc.<br />
I will not be coming back myself even to this planet God, whoever that is, forbid. You really have a lot of information and I love to read your posts, thanks. DeE</p>
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		By: Chuck Beatty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 15:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry I&#039;m days behind in answering your questions in your daily blogs, Tony, I have a life, but your questions are important and should be answered.


I think of several things.


Realize that long term Scientologists, DO think about their futures, meaning their next lifetimes.


A Scientologist will eventually be weaned and some are quite cognizant that they will be coming back next lifetime.


In one of the Hubbard adverts in one of the tech films, there is depicted a young man, who walks into a future church, and says:  &quot;Hello.   I&#039;m back.&quot;      The advert is for the Scientology passport, which was to be the document into which the parishioner in one lifetime, enters all his Scientology training, therapy and other Scientology related accomplishments, and this passport as to be kept in the local churches, for safekeeping, and the parishioner when they are reborn, and FIND the church, in their city, next lifetime, they can come in, sort out who they were in the last lifetime, and their passport is found, and all of their last lifetime progress in Scientology is there on record.


And the person, reborn, can then progress.


The future lives reality, Hubbard wrote deeply into the church organizational rules and regulations, and despite all the Miscavige abuses, behind the scenes, are things like the Scientology Passport, to remind the members, that what they do this lifetime, will not be lost, that is, if they use the Passport, write down their accomplishments, and turn their passports into the local churches, upon their deaths!


There is more.


Of course, as Larry Wright notes in his book, going from fiction to reality, as Hubbard did, doesn&#039;t mean this means anything real, for real.


But the members CAN and have the LRH fiction narrative, to follow.


The real estate are their future lives&#039; landing zones, and their Scientology passports, if used, will keep their records.


Of course, no one comes back, and thus no one will be coming into the churches and asking for their last lifetime passports.


But, for reporters, and researchers, new religion scholars, who read what I write on blogs, I urge you, to in your next allowed interview, ASK your local church officials, this would be a good question for Mark Oppenheimer to ask his New Haven Scientology local staff executives, about the Scientology Passport program, and to what degree the Scientology Passport program is in effect.


Because the Scientology Passport program dovetails, with the real estate long term &quot;game.&quot;


Hubbard was crazy, no question, but Hubbard&#039;s church organizations have within them real organizational aspects that keep the members in the future life, they all will be coming back, to carry on, in their treks up the Hubbard Bridge to Total Freedom.


That&#039;s my point, sorry I&#039;m late in answering.


Your blog is so excellent Tony, I again, hope someone is listening, and appreciating all the efforts of the ex members who comment and add history, history that should be further looked into.


The statistic for how many last lifetime Scientologists come into the new Ideal Org churches, and ask for their Scientology Passports, is probably 0.


If Sientology&#039;s Hubbard&#039;s fantasy about future lives is real, there will someday be some evidence of people correctly identifying themselves in their past lives, and correctly claiming their last lifetime Scientology Passports, and there will thus be some slightly (it won&#039;t happen in my opinion) more credible common layman evidence of past lives, thus.


Anyways, in effect the real estate is ALSO part of the fiction, of having churches to come back to, and find Scientology in one&#039;s future lives.


Makes me think, of why it is important to do a summary of the whole Bridge to Total Freedom, with correct emphasis on just how important it is to wean a Scientologist into believing in their past lives (Dianetics auditing today ought absolutely to budge a person into finding their earlier similar trauma incidents in past lives, thus breaking down a person&#039;s thought barriers to finding their past lives; and with so much auditing/crank pseudo therapy done usually during the Dianetics level of Scientology--Grade 5---an individual absolutely should have their realizations about their endless still to come future lives, and thus why the real estate program is important to their continued journey to the top of the Bridge).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I&#8217;m days behind in answering your questions in your daily blogs, Tony, I have a life, but your questions are important and should be answered.</p>
<p>I think of several things.</p>
<p>Realize that long term Scientologists, DO think about their futures, meaning their next lifetimes.</p>
<p>A Scientologist will eventually be weaned and some are quite cognizant that they will be coming back next lifetime.</p>
<p>In one of the Hubbard adverts in one of the tech films, there is depicted a young man, who walks into a future church, and says:  &#8220;Hello.   I&#8217;m back.&#8221;      The advert is for the Scientology passport, which was to be the document into which the parishioner in one lifetime, enters all his Scientology training, therapy and other Scientology related accomplishments, and this passport as to be kept in the local churches, for safekeeping, and the parishioner when they are reborn, and FIND the church, in their city, next lifetime, they can come in, sort out who they were in the last lifetime, and their passport is found, and all of their last lifetime progress in Scientology is there on record.</p>
<p>And the person, reborn, can then progress.</p>
<p>The future lives reality, Hubbard wrote deeply into the church organizational rules and regulations, and despite all the Miscavige abuses, behind the scenes, are things like the Scientology Passport, to remind the members, that what they do this lifetime, will not be lost, that is, if they use the Passport, write down their accomplishments, and turn their passports into the local churches, upon their deaths!</p>
<p>There is more.</p>
<p>Of course, as Larry Wright notes in his book, going from fiction to reality, as Hubbard did, doesn&#8217;t mean this means anything real, for real.</p>
<p>But the members CAN and have the LRH fiction narrative, to follow.</p>
<p>The real estate are their future lives&#8217; landing zones, and their Scientology passports, if used, will keep their records.</p>
<p>Of course, no one comes back, and thus no one will be coming into the churches and asking for their last lifetime passports.</p>
<p>But, for reporters, and researchers, new religion scholars, who read what I write on blogs, I urge you, to in your next allowed interview, ASK your local church officials, this would be a good question for Mark Oppenheimer to ask his New Haven Scientology local staff executives, about the Scientology Passport program, and to what degree the Scientology Passport program is in effect.</p>
<p>Because the Scientology Passport program dovetails, with the real estate long term &#8220;game.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hubbard was crazy, no question, but Hubbard&#8217;s church organizations have within them real organizational aspects that keep the members in the future life, they all will be coming back, to carry on, in their treks up the Hubbard Bridge to Total Freedom.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my point, sorry I&#8217;m late in answering.</p>
<p>Your blog is so excellent Tony, I again, hope someone is listening, and appreciating all the efforts of the ex members who comment and add history, history that should be further looked into.</p>
<p>The statistic for how many last lifetime Scientologists come into the new Ideal Org churches, and ask for their Scientology Passports, is probably 0.</p>
<p>If Sientology&#8217;s Hubbard&#8217;s fantasy about future lives is real, there will someday be some evidence of people correctly identifying themselves in their past lives, and correctly claiming their last lifetime Scientology Passports, and there will thus be some slightly (it won&#8217;t happen in my opinion) more credible common layman evidence of past lives, thus.</p>
<p>Anyways, in effect the real estate is ALSO part of the fiction, of having churches to come back to, and find Scientology in one&#8217;s future lives.</p>
<p>Makes me think, of why it is important to do a summary of the whole Bridge to Total Freedom, with correct emphasis on just how important it is to wean a Scientologist into believing in their past lives (Dianetics auditing today ought absolutely to budge a person into finding their earlier similar trauma incidents in past lives, thus breaking down a person&#8217;s thought barriers to finding their past lives; and with so much auditing/crank pseudo therapy done usually during the Dianetics level of Scientology&#8211;Grade 5&#8212;an individual absolutely should have their realizations about their endless still to come future lives, and thus why the real estate program is important to their continued journey to the top of the Bridge).</p>
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		By: DeElizabethan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/15/buzzfeed-takes-a-close-look-at-scientologys-ideal-org-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-75538&quot;&gt;John P.&lt;/a&gt;.

Good one, thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/15/buzzfeed-takes-a-close-look-at-scientologys-ideal-org-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-75538">John P.</a>.</p>
<p>Good one, thanks.</p>
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		By: John P.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Uber-blogger Andrew Sullivan of The Daily Beast just featured a distillation and link to the Buzzfeed article.  There&#039;s a couple million more people introduced to this slice of criminal behavior by the cult.

Story here: http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2013/01/spiritual-salvation-turned-into-spiritual-rape.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uber-blogger Andrew Sullivan of The Daily Beast just featured a distillation and link to the Buzzfeed article.  There&#8217;s a couple million more people introduced to this slice of criminal behavior by the cult.</p>
<p>Story here: <a href="http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2013/01/spiritual-salvation-turned-into-spiritual-rape.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2013/01/spiritual-salvation-turned-into-spiritual-rape.html</a></p>
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		By: Jgg2012		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/15/buzzfeed-takes-a-close-look-at-scientologys-ideal-org-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-75482&quot;&gt;John P.&lt;/a&gt;.

John, just one thing: they have celebrity members who are worth hundreds of millions.  Won&#039;t they keep it afloat?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/15/buzzfeed-takes-a-close-look-at-scientologys-ideal-org-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-75482">John P.</a>.</p>
<p>John, just one thing: they have celebrity members who are worth hundreds of millions.  Won&#8217;t they keep it afloat?</p>
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		By: BuryTheNuts2		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 13:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/15/buzzfeed-takes-a-close-look-at-scientologys-ideal-org-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-75532&quot;&gt;Gus_Cox&lt;/a&gt;.

I love seeing post like this...
And it is a shame that you all must go to those lengths to protect yourselves from a &quot;church&quot;.
I hope you are all free soon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/15/buzzfeed-takes-a-close-look-at-scientologys-ideal-org-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-75532">Gus_Cox</a>.</p>
<p>I love seeing post like this&#8230;<br />
And it is a shame that you all must go to those lengths to protect yourselves from a &#8220;church&#8221;.<br />
I hope you are all free soon.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Theres a question that has been bugging me for ages now. Its clear that DM&#039;s cult is going down the toilet with regards to membership. When it finally all falls apart, which is totally inevitable now, what will happen? Does DM personally own all these buildings? Will they sit empty til he dies? or will the organisation collapse and everything will need to be sold? and then who gets the money? and then what happens when he dies? I would love to know what is in his will! I just want to try and work out how this is all going to end?!

On a side note I have this image of him and Tom snuggling up on a tiger skin rug in front of a gold encrusted fireplace, sipping 200 year old whiskey in their underpants, puffing on cigars that have been rolled on the thighs of columbian virgins, and having a great sense of emptiness. They will have noone left in their lives. a load of opulence and no peace. wondering where it all went so wrong before they take their arsenic and die in each others arms! its so romantic....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theres a question that has been bugging me for ages now. Its clear that DM&#8217;s cult is going down the toilet with regards to membership. When it finally all falls apart, which is totally inevitable now, what will happen? Does DM personally own all these buildings? Will they sit empty til he dies? or will the organisation collapse and everything will need to be sold? and then who gets the money? and then what happens when he dies? I would love to know what is in his will! I just want to try and work out how this is all going to end?!</p>
<p>On a side note I have this image of him and Tom snuggling up on a tiger skin rug in front of a gold encrusted fireplace, sipping 200 year old whiskey in their underpants, puffing on cigars that have been rolled on the thighs of columbian virgins, and having a great sense of emptiness. They will have noone left in their lives. a load of opulence and no peace. wondering where it all went so wrong before they take their arsenic and die in each others arms! its so romantic&#8230;.</p>
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		By: whingeybingey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/15/buzzfeed-takes-a-close-look-at-scientologys-ideal-org-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-75447&quot;&gt;Midwest Mom&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, he&#039;ll probably get it back from the Atlantic I suppose. I wonder what he&#039;ll do with it next? Maybe it will be the gift that keeps on giving!! Lol!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/15/buzzfeed-takes-a-close-look-at-scientologys-ideal-org-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-75447">Midwest Mom</a>.</p>
<p>Well, he&#8217;ll probably get it back from the Atlantic I suppose. I wonder what he&#8217;ll do with it next? Maybe it will be the gift that keeps on giving!! Lol!</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[whingeybingey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/15/buzzfeed-takes-a-close-look-at-scientologys-ideal-org-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-75487&quot;&gt;Bert Schippers&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, I understand. Sometimes it&#039;s better to just move on and not look back. There&#039;s no reason why you can&#039;t earn more money, and not having the constant financial drain of the cult can only help. Best of luck!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/15/buzzfeed-takes-a-close-look-at-scientologys-ideal-org-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-75487">Bert Schippers</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, I understand. Sometimes it&#8217;s better to just move on and not look back. There&#8217;s no reason why you can&#8217;t earn more money, and not having the constant financial drain of the cult can only help. Best of luck!</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/15/buzzfeed-takes-a-close-look-at-scientologys-ideal-org-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-75482&quot;&gt;John P.&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;There are probably a lot of people who are &quot;sideliners&quot; or &quot;under the radar&quot; not participating but not resigning membership to avoid disconnection...&quot;



That would be me, and at least three of my friends.

Gus Cox is a just a pseudonym. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2013/01/15/buzzfeed-takes-a-close-look-at-scientologys-ideal-org-financing/comment-page-1/#comment-75482">John P.</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are probably a lot of people who are &#8220;sideliners&#8221; or &#8220;under the radar&#8221; not participating but not resigning membership to avoid disconnection&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That would be me, and at least three of my friends.</p>
<p>Gus Cox is a just a pseudonym. </p>
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