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I personally don’t want to see him in jail. I would rather see him flipping burgers at McDonalds in downtown LA and living in a slum, then getting fired for insubordination action and living on the street. *sigh* fantasy continues . . .

Either that or one of his attorneys read the letter and said “whoa boy, you’re a lawsuit waiting to happen.”

Some of us still have our frocks, they have to catch us and take our frocks before they can include us in the group, and I’m a sweet frocked apostate IMO.

Damn Nice Post! You called it!

Scientist? David Gann

Doctors? Janis Johnson, David Minkoff

Lawyer? Greta Van Susteren

Statesman? Sonny Bono

Athlete? David Mayo

ok

Kendrick Moxon… lol!

Ask why are the scientology powers not visible in scientific
investigations, nor demonstrated by scientologists, nor used to fight evil in
the world? The answer must lie in that these powers are no more than pure
indoctrination of beliefs reinforced through threats and disciplinary action,
and that as such they are unprovable. If they were provable, then we would see
ample evidence in scientology organization and followers. That is why
scientology disciplines its believers not to demonstrate them or to question their
attainment or scientology writings. Bear in mind that any physical or mental
exercise repeated many times, frequently, and in different forms will have some
positive Seratonin-like effect on mind or body and will be temporary if the
exercises are not sustained. That is the lure that is used by scientology and
can be achieved without scientology or its exorbitant cost. Followers take that
initial lure or mental candy early on in the expectation that further
scientology training and exercises will lead to super-human powers. But they
never get those powers, and get too entrenched in the belief system to
extricate themselves through critical thinking.

So what we see as evidence is that those who have paid large sums of money,
completed high levels of training and exercises, and subsequently left
scientology, claim no attainment of super powers. It goes back to the
fundamentals of consumerism, “buyer beware” and that goes for buying
religion as well. The US government will do nothing to protect the public from
religious fraud and deception, as long as the IRS empowers scientology tax-free
transactions under the guise of religion, and as long as public leaders and
media support scientology as a “religion” without factually
investigating the underlying scam that has been in operation over 50 years.

Ziontologist, I can completely relate to you on more levels than you realize (I was a music major for the first 3 years of college and stopped that because I despise performing and I played classical piano, which is an important instrument when performing in an ensemble so I was in high demand for that reason, and I hated it) and I also get rather flame-y with my posts and thoughts when it comes to this very emotionally charged topic. I apologize if I insulted you; I really didn’t mean to do that.

After watching many, many hours of lectures by Steve Hassan, ex-Mormons, ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses (I am close to one so I’ve had first hand stories), and being close to a family that lost a loved one in Heaven’s Gate, I know how easy it is to get sucked into a group like Scientology. I didn’t have that opinion when I first started reading into all of this, but I do now. But there are individual gains and emotional ties to consider, which don’t typically get a lot of consideration in scientific studies.

I do value your input and the input of everyone here except for the silly OSA bots that don’t even read the posted story. Well, OK, I did enjoy Marcotai for awhile but he was an amusing chew toy because ‘Marcotai’ was multiple people posting on the Village Voice under the same name.

But my point is that I sometimes go a little too much hardcore on the meta-effects of Scientology as known/suspected by the mental health field and that is a stance that I should pose in moderation a little better. And I do appreciate your input in telling me so.

Thanks for the reply, and I hope you’ll stick around.