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	Comments on: Scientology&#8217;s 2012 in Review: Springtime for Miscavige	</title>
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		By: nobs		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nobs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69657&quot;&gt;DodoTheLaser&lt;/a&gt;.

yes.  and yes again. being done with all aspects of scn is one of the greatest blessings of my life. 

on Christmas day our family went to Temple Beth Israel and served dinner to homeless folks.  It was the best Christmas I&#039;ve had in a long time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69657">DodoTheLaser</a>.</p>
<p>yes.  and yes again. being done with all aspects of scn is one of the greatest blessings of my life. </p>
<p>on Christmas day our family went to Temple Beth Israel and served dinner to homeless folks.  It was the best Christmas I&#8217;ve had in a long time.</p>
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		By: Jgg2012		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jgg2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69650&quot;&gt;nobs&lt;/a&gt;.

Or, to put it even more precisely, it TRIES to beat compassion out of you, as well as critical thinking (entheta), and sometimes it succeeds, but not always.]]></description>
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<p>Or, to put it even more precisely, it TRIES to beat compassion out of you, as well as critical thinking (entheta), and sometimes it succeeds, but not always.</p>
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		By: InTheNameOfXenu		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[InTheNameOfXenu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69637&quot;&gt;ziontologist&lt;/a&gt;.

In my time in the cult, I met very very Scientologists that were compassionate. I found most to be smug, eletist, self-absorbed deuce-bags. They were hollow, soul-less people who lost their personality and had it replaced by Hubbard&#039;s insanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69637">ziontologist</a>.</p>
<p>In my time in the cult, I met very very Scientologists that were compassionate. I found most to be smug, eletist, self-absorbed deuce-bags. They were hollow, soul-less people who lost their personality and had it replaced by Hubbard&#8217;s insanity.</p>
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		By: grundoon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grundoon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69667&quot;&gt;DeElizabethan&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;What do your materials say?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69667">DeElizabethan</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;What do your materials say?&#8221;</p>
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		By: grundoon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[grundoon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 01:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69663&quot;&gt;ziontologist&lt;/a&gt;.

Z, thanks for your kind words, and for sharing more of your story. May your holidays be joyous and your troubles small.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69663">ziontologist</a>.</p>
<p>Z, thanks for your kind words, and for sharing more of your story. May your holidays be joyous and your troubles small.</p>
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		By: BuryTheNuts2		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2012 23:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69658&quot;&gt;DodoTheLaser&lt;/a&gt;.

Ditto Dodo...
I always wanted to say that ..............
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69658">DodoTheLaser</a>.</p>
<p>Ditto Dodo&#8230;<br />
I always wanted to say that &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
😉</p>
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		By: ziontologist		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2012 20:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69666&quot;&gt;Exterrier&lt;/a&gt;.

I left Scientology a long time ago. But when I was in, I had an OT friend who seemed to really look up to me based on my musical ability. He told me never to limit my reading material. When I asked him about &quot;OT&quot;, he recommended the PDC ( Philadelphia  Doctorate Course) lectures. 
I didn&#039;t think so at the time, but in retrospect, it seems like he was covertly warning me not to waste my money on the OT levels. He was OT IIIX, OTVII EP, and I remember him as proof that Scientology does not necessarily wipe away the humanity from one&#039;s soul. You can&#039;t always assume that.
My opinion is based on my personal experience, not the writings of L Ron Hubbard ... the map is not the territory.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69666">Exterrier</a>.</p>
<p>I left Scientology a long time ago. But when I was in, I had an OT friend who seemed to really look up to me based on my musical ability. He told me never to limit my reading material. When I asked him about &#8220;OT&#8221;, he recommended the PDC ( Philadelphia  Doctorate Course) lectures.<br />
I didn&#8217;t think so at the time, but in retrospect, it seems like he was covertly warning me not to waste my money on the OT levels. He was OT IIIX, OTVII EP, and I remember him as proof that Scientology does not necessarily wipe away the humanity from one&#8217;s soul. You can&#8217;t always assume that.<br />
My opinion is based on my personal experience, not the writings of L Ron Hubbard &#8230; the map is not the territory.</p>
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		By: sugarplumfairy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sugarplumfairy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2012 19:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69658&quot;&gt;DodoTheLaser&lt;/a&gt;.

Back at you, Dodo..]]></description>
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<p>Back at you, Dodo..</p>
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		By: DeElizabethan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DeElizabethan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2012 19:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69666&quot;&gt;Exterrier&lt;/a&gt;.

Exterrier, love this post. What caught my eye are &quot;empathy and curiosity&quot;. I have always been the curious sort and you just can&#039;t be curious about anything other than Hubard&#039;s words. Ask other questions or question at all regards to the church, you&#039;re in trouble. They shut off or prohibit empathy and curiosity so you can be the robot they want and need, for their control and continuance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69666">Exterrier</a>.</p>
<p>Exterrier, love this post. What caught my eye are &#8220;empathy and curiosity&#8221;. I have always been the curious sort and you just can&#8217;t be curious about anything other than Hubard&#8217;s words. Ask other questions or question at all regards to the church, you&#8217;re in trouble. They shut off or prohibit empathy and curiosity so you can be the robot they want and need, for their control and continuance.</p>
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		By: Exterrier		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Exterrier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2012 19:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69637&quot;&gt;ziontologist&lt;/a&gt;.

I disagree Zio.   The long time scientologists I know who stayed in are very, very unfortunately stunted human beings,   or &quot;novis humanis&quot;.    And where they are stunted are in the two realms of empathy and curiosity.    The disconnection policy alone totally refutes your assertion that they are &quot;just like anyone else&quot;.    The one person I know who tries to hold on to her humanity is so emotionally crushed,  and cries constantly.   Yet she disconnects from close friends and family at orders of the church due to FEAR,  the only operative emotion that humis novi&#039;s are allowed to recognize.    The rest is dismissed as  H, E and R,  as you know.    Human Emotion and Reaction,  which is a sneer and smear term that the church uses to put down humanity and particularly empathy,  which is the most useless emotion of all for those who are on a trillion year journey to become god,  masters of all space and time through eternity.     
    Once I was told that I was not allowed to have one of my favorite books around,   William Bramley&#039;s Gods of Eden,  or to speak to _______,   I realized that I was in an intellectually and emotionally stunted cult,  and began making plans to leave quietly.    I recommend that you do the same,  Zio.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/24/scientologys-2012-in-review-springtime-for-miscavige/comment-page-1/#comment-69637">ziontologist</a>.</p>
<p>I disagree Zio.   The long time scientologists I know who stayed in are very, very unfortunately stunted human beings,   or &#8220;novis humanis&#8221;.    And where they are stunted are in the two realms of empathy and curiosity.    The disconnection policy alone totally refutes your assertion that they are &#8220;just like anyone else&#8221;.    The one person I know who tries to hold on to her humanity is so emotionally crushed,  and cries constantly.   Yet she disconnects from close friends and family at orders of the church due to FEAR,  the only operative emotion that humis novi&#8217;s are allowed to recognize.    The rest is dismissed as  H, E and R,  as you know.    Human Emotion and Reaction,  which is a sneer and smear term that the church uses to put down humanity and particularly empathy,  which is the most useless emotion of all for those who are on a trillion year journey to become god,  masters of all space and time through eternity.<br />
    Once I was told that I was not allowed to have one of my favorite books around,   William Bramley&#8217;s Gods of Eden,  or to speak to _______,   I realized that I was in an intellectually and emotionally stunted cult,  and began making plans to leave quietly.    I recommend that you do the same,  Zio.</p>
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