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	Comments on: Joel Sappell Finds Former Scientology Enforcer Marty Rathbun To Be a Reluctant Whistleblower	</title>
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		By: Clam InAHalfshell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clam InAHalfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 03:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-68909&quot;&gt;BuryTheNuts2&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m not blocked...I&#039;m kind of jealous.
Then again, I never tried to post there. I was kind of skeeved out by the cultie mentality EVERYWHERE. People talking about tone scale, not in a tongue-in-cheek manner, but as if it were a real thing. I mean, SERIOUSLY.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-68909">BuryTheNuts2</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not blocked&#8230;I&#8217;m kind of jealous.<br />
Then again, I never tried to post there. I was kind of skeeved out by the cultie mentality EVERYWHERE. People talking about tone scale, not in a tongue-in-cheek manner, but as if it were a real thing. I mean, SERIOUSLY.</p>
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		By: Clam InAHalfshell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clam InAHalfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 02:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-69070&quot;&gt;John Onthego&lt;/a&gt;.

If you can&#039;t take the heat, don&#039;t be Miscarriage&#039;s right-hand man. He deserves to be held responsible for his actions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-69070">John Onthego</a>.</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t take the heat, don&#8217;t be Miscarriage&#8217;s right-hand man. He deserves to be held responsible for his actions.</p>
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		By: Clam InAHalfshell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clam InAHalfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 02:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-68874&quot;&gt;ze moo&lt;/a&gt;.

Maybe because if he admitted to what he did, he could be liable to lawsuits? I&#039;m dead serious. Marty strikes me as a master of the art of CYA.

Hey Marty--what are your crimes?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-68874">ze moo</a>.</p>
<p>Maybe because if he admitted to what he did, he could be liable to lawsuits? I&#8217;m dead serious. Marty strikes me as a master of the art of CYA.</p>
<p>Hey Marty&#8211;what are your crimes?</p>
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		By: Clam InAHalfshell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Clam InAHalfshell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 02:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-68865&quot;&gt;dennis l erlich&lt;/a&gt;.

I applaud you both. I read your articles lo these many years ago. It&#039;s nice to see you here on Tony O&#039;s blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-68865">dennis l erlich</a>.</p>
<p>I applaud you both. I read your articles lo these many years ago. It&#8217;s nice to see you here on Tony O&#8217;s blog.</p>
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		By: John Onthego		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Onthego]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 03:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-68958&quot;&gt;dbloch7986&lt;/a&gt;.

Let&#039;s face it... if Marty makes certain statements about his own culpability in actions done within the Co$, he gives himself too much exposure to lawsuits by his victims, and takes the onus off the corporate church and Miscavige.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-68958">dbloch7986</a>.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it&#8230; if Marty makes certain statements about his own culpability in actions done within the Co$, he gives himself too much exposure to lawsuits by his victims, and takes the onus off the corporate church and Miscavige.</p>
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		By: PreferToBeAnon2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PreferToBeAnon2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-69011&quot;&gt;stillgrace&lt;/a&gt;.

I also found a copy of the Fishman deposition. There was a note in the comments section that made me pause--that Heber Jentzsch tried to convince Fishman to commit suicide.  Anyone have any info on that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-69011">stillgrace</a>.</p>
<p>I also found a copy of the Fishman deposition. There was a note in the comments section that made me pause&#8211;that Heber Jentzsch tried to convince Fishman to commit suicide.  Anyone have any info on that?</p>
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		By: PreferToBeAnon2		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PreferToBeAnon2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-69028&quot;&gt;SP &#039;Onage&lt;/a&gt;.

Haven&#039;t seen you SP &#039;Onage in awhile--welcome back!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-69028">SP &#8216;Onage</a>.</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t seen you SP &#8216;Onage in awhile&#8211;welcome back!</p>
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		By: Jonny Jacobsen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonny Jacobsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-68966&quot;&gt;Alanzo&lt;/a&gt;.

Alanzo, feel free to pay to post at my site too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-68966">Alanzo</a>.</p>
<p>Alanzo, feel free to pay to post at my site too.</p>
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		By: Valkov		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valkov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 05:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-68972&quot;&gt;Midwest Mom&lt;/a&gt;.

This is quite right. No-one (except perhaps some OSA), is forced to come here and read comments they don&#039;t like.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-68972">Midwest Mom</a>.</p>
<p>This is quite right. No-one (except perhaps some OSA), is forced to come here and read comments they don&#8217;t like.</p>
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		By: Valkov		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valkov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 05:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-68948&quot;&gt;Captain Howdy&lt;/a&gt;.

This - &quot;You can&#039;t selectively listen to what you want to hear.&quot; - is patently false   The freedom of association includes freedom to not associate with those you choose not to associate with.


 Where is the freedom in being forced to associate with or listen to?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/18/joel-sappell-finds-former-scientology-enforcer-marty-rathbun-a-reluctant-whistleblower/comment-page-1/#comment-68948">Captain Howdy</a>.</p>
<p>This &#8211; &#8220;You can&#8217;t selectively listen to what you want to hear.&#8221; &#8211; is patently false   The freedom of association includes freedom to not associate with those you choose not to associate with.</p>
<p> Where is the freedom in being forced to associate with or listen to?</p>
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