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	Comments on: Scientology Leader David Miscavige: Getting Desperate?	</title>
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		By: Rodger Garrett		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68292</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rodger Garrett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As Kramer &#038; Alstad point out in their 1993 book, The Guru Papers, the final phase of many cultish groups is marked by paranoia and lashing out at detractors. I don&#039;t know for sure if that is what&#039;s happening here, and surely not if TCOS is tanking. The organization continues to operate all manner of psychiatric &quot;treatment facilities,&quot; including ones for &quot;problem adolescents.&quot; Many parents of the teenagers in those facilities have no idea that TCOS owns and operates them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Kramer &amp; Alstad point out in their 1993 book, The Guru Papers, the final phase of many cultish groups is marked by paranoia and lashing out at detractors. I don&#8217;t know for sure if that is what&#8217;s happening here, and surely not if TCOS is tanking. The organization continues to operate all manner of psychiatric &#8220;treatment facilities,&#8221; including ones for &#8220;problem adolescents.&#8221; Many parents of the teenagers in those facilities have no idea that TCOS owns and operates them.</p>
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		By: Jgg2012		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jgg2012]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68198&quot;&gt;John P.&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Scientology &quot;tech&quot; always works, and thus Marty has been cured, or Marty Rathbun is incurably evil,    which implies that the &quot;tech&quot; doesn&#039;t work?&quot; 

  That&#039;s a good point, and Scientology actually has MANY contradictions.  Example: LRH said &quot;what&#039;s true is what&#039;s true for you&quot; which would mean the SPs are right, Anonymous is right, Ortega is right, etc. but they also say you can&#039;t criticize or contradict LRH because LRH is right and no one else is.  Well, which is it?  There is one objective truth (LRH), or infinite subjective truths (&quot;what&#039;s true for you&quot;) ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68198">John P.</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Scientology &#8220;tech&#8221; always works, and thus Marty has been cured, or Marty Rathbun is incurably evil,    which implies that the &#8220;tech&#8221; doesn&#8217;t work?&#8221; </p>
<p>  That&#8217;s a good point, and Scientology actually has MANY contradictions.  Example: LRH said &#8220;what&#8217;s true is what&#8217;s true for you&#8221; which would mean the SPs are right, Anonymous is right, Ortega is right, etc. but they also say you can&#8217;t criticize or contradict LRH because LRH is right and no one else is.  Well, which is it?  There is one objective truth (LRH), or infinite subjective truths (&#8220;what&#8217;s true for you&#8221;) ?</p>
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		By: flunk0		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68290</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[flunk0]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 05:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68287&quot;&gt;still_keyed_out&lt;/a&gt;.

I have had similar experiences. Very disheartening.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68287">still_keyed_out</a>.</p>
<p>I have had similar experiences. Very disheartening.</p>
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		By: flunk0		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68289</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[flunk0]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 05:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68175&quot;&gt;Vistaril&lt;/a&gt;.

You are such a total hypocrite.
I recently told my story about how I left Scientology after I&#039;d attested to clear (SCIENTOLOGY TARGETING EAGLE SCOUTS, Dec 2).
I talked about how I believed in my own self-determinism, and how that led up to my leaving Scientology. For that, you made fun of what I had to say, calling my comment an &quot;omg success story&quot;.
Go. Fuck. Yourself.
Thanks for being an asshole, Vistaril.


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68175">Vistaril</a>.</p>
<p>You are such a total hypocrite.<br />
I recently told my story about how I left Scientology after I&#8217;d attested to clear (SCIENTOLOGY TARGETING EAGLE SCOUTS, Dec 2).<br />
I talked about how I believed in my own self-determinism, and how that led up to my leaving Scientology. For that, you made fun of what I had to say, calling my comment an &#8220;omg success story&#8221;.<br />
Go. Fuck. Yourself.<br />
Thanks for being an asshole, Vistaril.</p>
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		By: California		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68288</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[California]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68285&quot;&gt;JustCallMeMary&lt;/a&gt;.

I think we are going to have a busy, fruitful week.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68285">JustCallMeMary</a>.</p>
<p>I think we are going to have a busy, fruitful week.</p>
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		By: still_keyed_out		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68287</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[still_keyed_out]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68173&quot;&gt;Alanzo&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot; if we can show that we will not engage in personal destruction tactics like Miscavige does &quot;
When I first started posting on this blog, I was called a troll and worse, just for talking honestly about my experiences in Scientology. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68173">Alanzo</a>.</p>
<p>&#8221; if we can show that we will not engage in personal destruction tactics like Miscavige does &#8221;<br />
When I first started posting on this blog, I was called a troll and worse, just for talking honestly about my experiences in Scientology. </p>
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		By: JustCallMeMary		</title>
		<link>https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68286</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JustCallMeMary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68277&quot;&gt;California&lt;/a&gt;.

Good! Come to TippingPoint forum and update us :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68277">California</a>.</p>
<p>Good! Come to TippingPoint forum and update us 🙂</p>
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		By: JustCallMeMary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JustCallMeMary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 01:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68284&quot;&gt;California&lt;/a&gt;.

Go for it! I&#039;m all for suing the hell out of these orgs. You can see my somewhat limited collection of more recent cases filed against Narconon and scientology here 
http://www.scribd.com/AnonyMary/Collections. 

The Desmond stuff is on Tipping Point 

http://reaching4.info

OCMB has many documents and notes on CoS cases from the past.
Operation Clambake present: Scientology Court Files
http://www.xenu.net/archive/CourtFiles/


Best wishes,


Mary McConnell]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68284">California</a>.</p>
<p>Go for it! I&#8217;m all for suing the hell out of these orgs. You can see my somewhat limited collection of more recent cases filed against Narconon and scientology here<br />
<a href="http://www.scribd.com/AnonyMary/Collections" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.scribd.com/AnonyMary/Collections</a>. </p>
<p>The Desmond stuff is on Tipping Point </p>
<p><a href="http://reaching4.info" rel="nofollow ugc">http://reaching4.info</a></p>
<p>OCMB has many documents and notes on CoS cases from the past.<br />
Operation Clambake present: Scientology Court Files<br />
<a href="http://www.xenu.net/archive/CourtFiles/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.xenu.net/archive/CourtFiles/</a></p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Mary McConnell</p>
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		By: California		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[California]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 00:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68283&quot;&gt;JustCallMeMary&lt;/a&gt;.

But maybe now it is time........]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68283">JustCallMeMary</a>.</p>
<p>But maybe now it is time&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		By: JustCallMeMary		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JustCallMeMary]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/15/scientology-leader-david-miscavige-getting-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-68282&quot;&gt;California&lt;/a&gt;.

I have no knowledge of that. They are rarely sued, much less for clergy malpractice.]]></description>
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<p>I have no knowledge of that. They are rarely sued, much less for clergy malpractice.</p>
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