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	Comments on: DOX: Florida Officials Fight Attempt to Hide Drug Rehab&#8217;s Scientology Connections	</title>
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		By: J. Swift		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J. Swift]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Narconon Florida 2012 Tax Return. Kurt Feshbach and his Toucan Partners firm appear in this return&quot;
http://www.scribd.com/doc/217552515/Narconon-Florida-2012-Tax-Return-Kurt-Feshbach-and-his-Toucan-Partners-firm-appear-in-this-return]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Narconon Florida 2012 Tax Return. Kurt Feshbach and his Toucan Partners firm appear in this return&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/217552515/Narconon-Florida-2012-Tax-Return-Kurt-Feshbach-and-his-Toucan-Partners-firm-appear-in-this-return" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.scribd.com/doc/217552515/Narconon-Florida-2012-Tax-Return-Kurt-Feshbach-and-his-Toucan-Partners-firm-appear-in-this-return</a></p>
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		By: noeld		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[noeld]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2012 20:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hernando County is doing the right thing.  I hope they win.  They should have allies. And they should follow the money.  There may be two additional parties with something to say in this kind of project.  The lenders, first, for any kind of loan for real estate, construction or other business purposes, should be looking at the kind of risk and exposure presented by this company.  History of problems at similar companies or affiliates can be taken into consideration.  If funded by any bank, then there is an additional avenue through the bank regulatory examiners who oversee risk management practices within US financial institutions. 

And second, the insurance company involved....as we can see from the Narconon Georgia case and World Wide pulling out.   (Interesting also to note Narconon Georgia is a California resident for purposes of that filing). 

Bank loans require insurance. Insurers look at risk, and loss avoidance.  

Unless the funding for the planned expansion is funded by cash.....

Hmmm.  Follow the money....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hernando County is doing the right thing.  I hope they win.  They should have allies. And they should follow the money.  There may be two additional parties with something to say in this kind of project.  The lenders, first, for any kind of loan for real estate, construction or other business purposes, should be looking at the kind of risk and exposure presented by this company.  History of problems at similar companies or affiliates can be taken into consideration.  If funded by any bank, then there is an additional avenue through the bank regulatory examiners who oversee risk management practices within US financial institutions. </p>
<p>And second, the insurance company involved&#8230;.as we can see from the Narconon Georgia case and World Wide pulling out.   (Interesting also to note Narconon Georgia is a California resident for purposes of that filing). </p>
<p>Bank loans require insurance. Insurers look at risk, and loss avoidance.  </p>
<p>Unless the funding for the planned expansion is funded by cash&#8230;..</p>
<p>Hmmm.  Follow the money&#8230;.</p>
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		By: moxon moxoff		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[moxon moxoff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 21:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Further to one of the convos on the DHS thread re scilons&#039; propensity to scream persecution whenever they don&#039;t get their way, I found this part of the first motion on point:

&quot;Despite Plaintiff&#039;s contention, Defendant is not seeking to inject religious views into this case to attack or support Narconon&#039;s credibility on the basis of religion, as contempated and prohibited by Federal Rule of Evidence 610.&quot;

Here is Rule 610:  &quot;Evidence of the beliefs or opinions of a witness on matters of religion is not admissible for the purpose of showing that by reason of their nature the witness&#039; credibility is impaired or enhanced.&quot;

So Toucan is accusing the county of trying to improperly admit evidence of the Narconon/Scientology affiliation as a way to show that Narconon is run by religious nutbags and therefore nothing they say is credible.  Under the federal evidence rule, you cannot try to introduce evidence of someone&#039;s religious beliefs to impeach their credibility.  The county&#039;s response to that accusation is, nooooo, that is not why we are trying to introduce evidence about the affiliation--we are trying to introduce evidence of the affiliation because it goes to the question of damages being sought by Narconon against the county in this case.  Namely, what effect would such an affiliation have on Narconon&#039;s bottom line?  Since one of Narconon&#039;s claims against the county is for lost profits due to denial of the zoning permits, Narconon has to show what it&#039;s profits would likely be.  And the county is saying--when potential customers hear of the SCN connection, does that tend to result in more business or less?  

According to the depo testimony attached, in some cases the affiliation attracts people and in some cases it scares them away.  That it is to say, the connection is in fact relevant to the question of demand for Naconon&#039;s services and thus it&#039;s bottom line.  I could argue this the other way too, however.  If it&#039;s basically a wash--meaning the increase in demand by some people and the decrease in demand by others are relatively equal so as to offset each other--then how relevant is it really?

Either way, there is usually broad latitude to admit relevant evidence.  Does the probative value outweigh any potential prejudice to Toucan&#039;s rights?  I guess we&#039;ll hear from the judge on that.  

Meanwhile, I leave you with this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnolfini_Portrait]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to one of the convos on the DHS thread re scilons&#8217; propensity to scream persecution whenever they don&#8217;t get their way, I found this part of the first motion on point:</p>
<p>&#8220;Despite Plaintiff&#8217;s contention, Defendant is not seeking to inject religious views into this case to attack or support Narconon&#8217;s credibility on the basis of religion, as contempated and prohibited by Federal Rule of Evidence 610.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here is Rule 610:  &#8220;Evidence of the beliefs or opinions of a witness on matters of religion is not admissible for the purpose of showing that by reason of their nature the witness&#8217; credibility is impaired or enhanced.&#8221;</p>
<p>So Toucan is accusing the county of trying to improperly admit evidence of the Narconon/Scientology affiliation as a way to show that Narconon is run by religious nutbags and therefore nothing they say is credible.  Under the federal evidence rule, you cannot try to introduce evidence of someone&#8217;s religious beliefs to impeach their credibility.  The county&#8217;s response to that accusation is, nooooo, that is not why we are trying to introduce evidence about the affiliation&#8211;we are trying to introduce evidence of the affiliation because it goes to the question of damages being sought by Narconon against the county in this case.  Namely, what effect would such an affiliation have on Narconon&#8217;s bottom line?  Since one of Narconon&#8217;s claims against the county is for lost profits due to denial of the zoning permits, Narconon has to show what it&#8217;s profits would likely be.  And the county is saying&#8211;when potential customers hear of the SCN connection, does that tend to result in more business or less?  </p>
<p>According to the depo testimony attached, in some cases the affiliation attracts people and in some cases it scares them away.  That it is to say, the connection is in fact relevant to the question of demand for Naconon&#8217;s services and thus it&#8217;s bottom line.  I could argue this the other way too, however.  If it&#8217;s basically a wash&#8211;meaning the increase in demand by some people and the decrease in demand by others are relatively equal so as to offset each other&#8211;then how relevant is it really?</p>
<p>Either way, there is usually broad latitude to admit relevant evidence.  Does the probative value outweigh any potential prejudice to Toucan&#8217;s rights?  I guess we&#8217;ll hear from the judge on that.  </p>
<p>Meanwhile, I leave you with this: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnolfini_Portrait" rel="nofollow ugc">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnolfini_Portrait</a></p>
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		By: Victoria Pandora		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Victoria Pandora]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry guys, I couldnt resist; http://www.ivillage.com/awkward-pregnancy-photos/6-b-364755#364759]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry guys, I couldnt resist; <a href="http://www.ivillage.com/awkward-pregnancy-photos/6-b-364755#364759" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ivillage.com/awkward-pregnancy-photos/6-b-364755#364759</a></p>
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		By: California		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[California]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/14/florida-officials-fight-narconons-attempt-to-hide-its-scientology-connections-in-court-battle/comment-page-1/#comment-68081&quot;&gt;ze moo&lt;/a&gt;.

Florida, like many other states, is in the process of revising their rehabilitation facilities laws, rules and regs.  They had counted on the rigorous insurance company guidelines to do that for them, I think, reasoning that if the insurance companies did not cover these bogus rehabilitation facilities that the bad ones would go out of business.  And most of them did.  But Narconon does a relatively low price, compared to legitimate facilities, and has a high Internet presence advertising their facilities and the unwary pay for nothing and rarely, if ever, get refunds when they realize that they have been scammed.  Please support all the states in getting reasonable laws, rules and regs for rehabilitation facilities:  that is how the fraudulent ones will close.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/14/florida-officials-fight-narconons-attempt-to-hide-its-scientology-connections-in-court-battle/comment-page-1/#comment-68081">ze moo</a>.</p>
<p>Florida, like many other states, is in the process of revising their rehabilitation facilities laws, rules and regs.  They had counted on the rigorous insurance company guidelines to do that for them, I think, reasoning that if the insurance companies did not cover these bogus rehabilitation facilities that the bad ones would go out of business.  And most of them did.  But Narconon does a relatively low price, compared to legitimate facilities, and has a high Internet presence advertising their facilities and the unwary pay for nothing and rarely, if ever, get refunds when they realize that they have been scammed.  Please support all the states in getting reasonable laws, rules and regs for rehabilitation facilities:  that is how the fraudulent ones will close.</p>
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		By: sugarplumfairy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sugarplumfairy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/14/florida-officials-fight-narconons-attempt-to-hide-its-scientology-connections-in-court-battle/comment-page-1/#comment-68155&quot;&gt;Andrew Robertson&lt;/a&gt;.

Lol.. Too bad.. Some of his paintings would have made amazing Freedom magazine covers..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/14/florida-officials-fight-narconons-attempt-to-hide-its-scientology-connections-in-court-battle/comment-page-1/#comment-68155">Andrew Robertson</a>.</p>
<p>Lol.. Too bad.. Some of his paintings would have made amazing Freedom magazine covers..</p>
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		By: sugarplumfairy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sugarplumfairy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/14/florida-officials-fight-narconons-attempt-to-hide-its-scientology-connections-in-court-battle/comment-page-1/#comment-68152&quot;&gt;bland_man&lt;/a&gt;.

Yah, my sister Buddha agrees with you.. And I&#039;m sure all the many other folks I know named Buddha would agree as well..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/12/14/florida-officials-fight-narconons-attempt-to-hide-its-scientology-connections-in-court-battle/comment-page-1/#comment-68152">bland_man</a>.</p>
<p>Yah, my sister Buddha agrees with you.. And I&#8217;m sure all the many other folks I know named Buddha would agree as well..</p>
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		By: Andrew Robertson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Should one make fun of a painting of an adoring couple, Spring and Winter celebrating the impending result of their nuptials?

On reflection I think the answer is yes.

It&#039;s a pity that Dutch fellow, Hieronymus Bosch isn&#039;t still around.  A superb painter of fantastic imagery.

Sadly he dropped his body on 9 August 1516.

So he can&#039;t.

Andrew]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should one make fun of a painting of an adoring couple, Spring and Winter celebrating the impending result of their nuptials?</p>
<p>On reflection I think the answer is yes.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pity that Dutch fellow, Hieronymus Bosch isn&#8217;t still around.  A superb painter of fantastic imagery.</p>
<p>Sadly he dropped his body on 9 August 1516.</p>
<p>So he can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		By: BuryTheNuts2		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: koki		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[this is WHY we, in Croatia , small part of LRHs Bulgravia,have said B  I  G      N  O  to narCONon...
they were here year or two,but citizens raise up and do big NO to them...
big hello from LRHs Bulgravia...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is WHY we, in Croatia , small part of LRHs Bulgravia,have said B  I  G      N  O  to narCONon&#8230;<br />
they were here year or two,but citizens raise up and do big NO to them&#8230;<br />
big hello from LRHs Bulgravia&#8230;</p>
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