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		By: Nimbo James		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[As much as Travolta has slipped down the grades of celebs, the person recieving the assists is probably thinking. OMFG JT is touching me allover, is this real?? If so, I feel better already! I wonder what the response would have been from some injured nomad in the sahara desert.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as Travolta has slipped down the grades of celebs, the person recieving the assists is probably thinking. OMFG JT is touching me allover, is this real?? If so, I feel better already! I wonder what the response would have been from some injured nomad in the sahara desert.</p>
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		By: Dean Fox		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/23/scientology-interviews-john-travolta-oddly-massage-therapy-not-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-65122&quot;&gt;bm&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Just typing you “don’t” does not mean you don’t in practice, because you do. Any honest looking (sic) at your internet hate group reveals that you are all bound by a VERY rigid cluster of beliefs and practices that are FIERCELY enforced.&quot;

Okay I guess the &quot;hate group&quot; you&#039;re referring to is the collective Anonymous. Not everyone here identifies with Anonymous. There are ex-scientologists, independent scientologists (less though here because they don&#039;t like the ridicule of the beliefs in scientology that goes on here, but they still come sometimes) old guard protestors who are most definitely not anonymous and random others + some who identify with Anonymous. 

The indies tend to congregate on a bunch of their blogs, I subscribe to Marty&#039;s but no others. I&#039;m also on ex-scientologist message board (clue in the name); Operation clam bake (old guard) and why we protest (anonymous activists).

The only common thread in all these sites is that the church of scientology is a corrupt, corrupting, abussive and so dangerous organisation that needs to exposed for what it is and &quot;dismantled in its current form&quot; .

Each site has a different mix of people. As before most indies don&#039;t like the ridicule of their beliefs. Not everyone agrees with some of the protest activities. Everyone has their own approach to expressing their thoughts about the church of scientology organisation.

Some people do hate scientologists for what they are; you may think this is the prevailng behavior but I don&#039;t; since I&#039;m watching most things I have a very good overview - it&#039;s what I do. Some people hate certain individuals in the independent camp for personal reasons. I don&#039;t particulary hate anyone.

I do ridicule the beliefs but not on Indy blogs because I respect them; I will debate the beliefs with them though and be honest in my opinion of them; my posts use to be censured by Marty has stopped doing that now perhaps because he realises the value of discussion.

So the beliefs are many and varied as are the practises (protest activities). Sure you can stir up a hornets nest on any site by going against prevailng opinion but that&#039;s true of any social group. Just because someone like you, adept at stirring things up, can do so does.not prove a social group is a hate group.

I don&#039;t take the piss out of Jett Travolta either. I generally don&#039;t take the piss out of people though, but that&#039;s just me, the individual.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/23/scientology-interviews-john-travolta-oddly-massage-therapy-not-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-65122">bm</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Just typing you “don’t” does not mean you don’t in practice, because you do. Any honest looking (sic) at your internet hate group reveals that you are all bound by a VERY rigid cluster of beliefs and practices that are FIERCELY enforced.&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay I guess the &#8220;hate group&#8221; you&#8217;re referring to is the collective Anonymous. Not everyone here identifies with Anonymous. There are ex-scientologists, independent scientologists (less though here because they don&#8217;t like the ridicule of the beliefs in scientology that goes on here, but they still come sometimes) old guard protestors who are most definitely not anonymous and random others + some who identify with Anonymous. </p>
<p>The indies tend to congregate on a bunch of their blogs, I subscribe to Marty&#8217;s but no others. I&#8217;m also on ex-scientologist message board (clue in the name); Operation clam bake (old guard) and why we protest (anonymous activists).</p>
<p>The only common thread in all these sites is that the church of scientology is a corrupt, corrupting, abussive and so dangerous organisation that needs to exposed for what it is and &#8220;dismantled in its current form&#8221; .</p>
<p>Each site has a different mix of people. As before most indies don&#8217;t like the ridicule of their beliefs. Not everyone agrees with some of the protest activities. Everyone has their own approach to expressing their thoughts about the church of scientology organisation.</p>
<p>Some people do hate scientologists for what they are; you may think this is the prevailng behavior but I don&#8217;t; since I&#8217;m watching most things I have a very good overview &#8211; it&#8217;s what I do. Some people hate certain individuals in the independent camp for personal reasons. I don&#8217;t particulary hate anyone.</p>
<p>I do ridicule the beliefs but not on Indy blogs because I respect them; I will debate the beliefs with them though and be honest in my opinion of them; my posts use to be censured by Marty has stopped doing that now perhaps because he realises the value of discussion.</p>
<p>So the beliefs are many and varied as are the practises (protest activities). Sure you can stir up a hornets nest on any site by going against prevailng opinion but that&#8217;s true of any social group. Just because someone like you, adept at stirring things up, can do so does.not prove a social group is a hate group.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t take the piss out of Jett Travolta either. I generally don&#8217;t take the piss out of people though, but that&#8217;s just me, the individual.</p>
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		By: deElizabethan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 05:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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&quot;You also could learn more from other posts from Tony’s blogs. Keep reading and contributing”
You ignored this. Apparently the OR....  hit a button eh?

“or is this the only one they let you read?”  Hit a button eh? Well, I&#039;m bored with you and the huge chip on your shoulder for this thread. Bye, bye!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/23/scientology-interviews-john-travolta-oddly-massage-therapy-not-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-65135">bm</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;You also could learn more from other posts from Tony’s blogs. Keep reading and contributing”<br />
You ignored this. Apparently the OR&#8230;.  hit a button eh?</p>
<p>“or is this the only one they let you read?”  Hit a button eh? Well, I&#8217;m bored with you and the huge chip on your shoulder for this thread. Bye, bye!</p>
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		By: bm		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 00:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/23/scientology-interviews-john-travolta-oddly-massage-therapy-not-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-65124&quot;&gt;bm&lt;/a&gt;.

dear deElizabethan

&quot;A fried egg is at least nutritional and better lookin’ than a piece of sh-t. Way to go bm, you do have some sense of humor.
You also could learn more from other posts from Tony’s blogs. Keep reading and contributing&quot;

&quot;or is this the only one they let you read?&quot;

RESPONSE: &quot;they&quot;?

 Unlike you my friend, I am not married to Scientology or what they do or think.  One day you might be free of Scientology but the kids you are hanging out with here would punish you savagely  for not parroting the sacred anti beliefs. You got yourself into it.....well you will have to get yourself out of it young lady.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/23/scientology-interviews-john-travolta-oddly-massage-therapy-not-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-65124">bm</a>.</p>
<p>dear deElizabethan</p>
<p>&#8220;A fried egg is at least nutritional and better lookin’ than a piece of sh-t. Way to go bm, you do have some sense of humor.<br />
You also could learn more from other posts from Tony’s blogs. Keep reading and contributing&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;or is this the only one they let you read?&#8221;</p>
<p>RESPONSE: &#8220;they&#8221;?</p>
<p> Unlike you my friend, I am not married to Scientology or what they do or think.  One day you might be free of Scientology but the kids you are hanging out with here would punish you savagely  for not parroting the sacred anti beliefs. You got yourself into it&#8230;..well you will have to get yourself out of it young lady.</p>
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		By: deElizabethan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/23/scientology-interviews-john-travolta-oddly-massage-therapy-not-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-65132&quot;&gt;bm&lt;/a&gt;.

A fried egg is at least nutritional and better lookin&#039; than a piece of sh-t. Way to go bm, you do have some sense of humor.
You also could learn more from other posts from Tony&#039;s blogs. Keep reading and contributing or is this the only one they let you read?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/23/scientology-interviews-john-travolta-oddly-massage-therapy-not-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-65132">bm</a>.</p>
<p>A fried egg is at least nutritional and better lookin&#8217; than a piece of sh-t. Way to go bm, you do have some sense of humor.<br />
You also could learn more from other posts from Tony&#8217;s blogs. Keep reading and contributing or is this the only one they let you read?</p>
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		By: bm		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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TCBY

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<p>TCBY</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/23/scientology-interviews-john-travolta-oddly-massage-therapy-not-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-65124&quot;&gt;bm&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear deElizabethan, 

Thank-you for your opinions, reactions, conclusions, heart felt assertions and assessments. You made me look like a fried egg in front of all your friends! Cheers. 

&quot;I have read all of your comments and rebuttals. IMO which god and Tony grants me the right to say here, I am sorry, but you are doing a job and you are doing in fine. It’s very obvious to someone who knows the Bull sh-t Public Relations and mind-controlling of the cult. By your very Serious way and unrelenting PR you have completely enlightened me to know what you are doing, even when you seem to act normal to gain acceptance. You are a hard core scientologist and no matter what anyone says, you have a comeback. That is what you’ve been programed to do. Possible you are doing it as a project to get back in good graces, like “delivering a blow to the enemy”. No matter what you say it is all designed to try and change others mind or opinion, get points, no fun, just like they do to the public in serious PR. So my opinion is that you are 100 % phony! Lighten and wake up fool!
You’re welcome!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/23/scientology-interviews-john-travolta-oddly-massage-therapy-not-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-65124">bm</a>.</p>
<p>Dear deElizabethan, </p>
<p>Thank-you for your opinions, reactions, conclusions, heart felt assertions and assessments. You made me look like a fried egg in front of all your friends! Cheers. </p>
<p>&#8220;I have read all of your comments and rebuttals. IMO which god and Tony grants me the right to say here, I am sorry, but you are doing a job and you are doing in fine. It’s very obvious to someone who knows the Bull sh-t Public Relations and mind-controlling of the cult. By your very Serious way and unrelenting PR you have completely enlightened me to know what you are doing, even when you seem to act normal to gain acceptance. You are a hard core scientologist and no matter what anyone says, you have a comeback. That is what you’ve been programed to do. Possible you are doing it as a project to get back in good graces, like “delivering a blow to the enemy”. No matter what you say it is all designed to try and change others mind or opinion, get points, no fun, just like they do to the public in serious PR. So my opinion is that you are 100 % phony! Lighten and wake up fool!<br />
You’re welcome!&#8221;</p>
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		By: TCBY		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/23/scientology-interviews-john-travolta-oddly-massage-therapy-not-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-65129&quot;&gt;bm&lt;/a&gt;.

Have you been on very many comment boards?  People Magazine, CNN, etc. have extremely snarky commenters far worse than this site, so I encourage you to visit other sites to see that it&#039;s not just anti-scientologist blog commenters who make fun of John Travolta&#039;s hair.  Late night comedians joke about many celebrities, including scientologist celebrities.  Mitt Romney has his fair share of jokes about his religion and hair, too.  You seem to focus on this site as opposed to looking at the big picture of society.

The post which you refer to, with the Saturday Night Seizure comment was made by an individual who has epilepsy and has seizures himself. Does his comment reflect everyone&#039;s taste here?  No, but I&#039;m not the moderator here, and neither are you.  This is reflective of real life.  We are responsible for our own actions. This blog is put together by Tony Ortega, but he has written other posts since this one, so he doesn&#039;t stay babysitting at past posts.  Why have you remained here on this article? Why don&#039;t you check out the articles he has posted since this one?  He posts a new article almost every day.

To be honest, you lost mega points with me when you made fun of Midwest Mom.  Calling her a crackpot was not necessary, and showed a lack of respect for someone who was trying to be helpful.
Crackpot?  Hardly.  You need to drop the attack mode.  It&#039;s classic LRH method, and not a good way to have a successful dialogue here or in the real world.

Join the other threads on the newer articles.  I hope to see you there.  (People don&#039;t stay on posts like this for the long run.  So you&#039;re going to get lonely here).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/23/scientology-interviews-john-travolta-oddly-massage-therapy-not-discussed/comment-page-1/#comment-65129">bm</a>.</p>
<p>Have you been on very many comment boards?  People Magazine, CNN, etc. have extremely snarky commenters far worse than this site, so I encourage you to visit other sites to see that it&#8217;s not just anti-scientologist blog commenters who make fun of John Travolta&#8217;s hair.  Late night comedians joke about many celebrities, including scientologist celebrities.  Mitt Romney has his fair share of jokes about his religion and hair, too.  You seem to focus on this site as opposed to looking at the big picture of society.</p>
<p>The post which you refer to, with the Saturday Night Seizure comment was made by an individual who has epilepsy and has seizures himself. Does his comment reflect everyone&#8217;s taste here?  No, but I&#8217;m not the moderator here, and neither are you.  This is reflective of real life.  We are responsible for our own actions. This blog is put together by Tony Ortega, but he has written other posts since this one, so he doesn&#8217;t stay babysitting at past posts.  Why have you remained here on this article? Why don&#8217;t you check out the articles he has posted since this one?  He posts a new article almost every day.</p>
<p>To be honest, you lost mega points with me when you made fun of Midwest Mom.  Calling her a crackpot was not necessary, and showed a lack of respect for someone who was trying to be helpful.<br />
Crackpot?  Hardly.  You need to drop the attack mode.  It&#8217;s classic LRH method, and not a good way to have a successful dialogue here or in the real world.</p>
<p>Join the other threads on the newer articles.  I hope to see you there.  (People don&#8217;t stay on posts like this for the long run.  So you&#8217;re going to get lonely here).</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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BM. (definitely a bowel movement) I have read all of your comments and rebuttals. IMO which god and Tony grants me the right to say here, I am sorry, but you are doing a job and you are doing in fine. It&#039;s very obvious to someone who knows the Bull sh-t Public Relations and mind-controlling of the cult. By your very Serious way and unrelenting PR you have completely enlightened me to know what you are doing, even when you seem to act normal to gain acceptance. You are a hard core scientologist and no matter what anyone says, you have a comeback. That is what you&#039;ve been programed to do. Possible you are doing it as a project to get back in good graces, like &quot;delivering a blow to the enemy&quot;. No matter what you say it is all designed to try and change others mind or opinion, get points, no fun, just like they do to the public in serious PR. So my opinion is that you are 100 % phony! Lighten and wake up fool!
You&#039;re welcome!]]></description>
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<p>BM. (definitely a bowel movement) I have read all of your comments and rebuttals. IMO which god and Tony grants me the right to say here, I am sorry, but you are doing a job and you are doing in fine. It&#8217;s very obvious to someone who knows the Bull sh-t Public Relations and mind-controlling of the cult. By your very Serious way and unrelenting PR you have completely enlightened me to know what you are doing, even when you seem to act normal to gain acceptance. You are a hard core scientologist and no matter what anyone says, you have a comeback. That is what you&#8217;ve been programed to do. Possible you are doing it as a project to get back in good graces, like &#8220;delivering a blow to the enemy&#8221;. No matter what you say it is all designed to try and change others mind or opinion, get points, no fun, just like they do to the public in serious PR. So my opinion is that you are 100 % phony! Lighten and wake up fool!<br />
You&#8217;re welcome!</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[What does nit picking some Hollywood celebrity&#039;s appearance have to do with making the world a better place? Do anti-scientologists feel that if they shame and punish and assassinate certain people&#039;s character enough, anti-scientologists will get the world handed to them? Is this the pathway to being a valued community leader? Shame and nit pick people you do not like and step on their corpse on the way to improving your life and others?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does nit picking some Hollywood celebrity&#8217;s appearance have to do with making the world a better place? Do anti-scientologists feel that if they shame and punish and assassinate certain people&#8217;s character enough, anti-scientologists will get the world handed to them? Is this the pathway to being a valued community leader? Shame and nit pick people you do not like and step on their corpse on the way to improving your life and others?</p>
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