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		By: First Last		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[First Last]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2015 05:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is there an uploaded version of Real Time with Bill Maher and Lawrence Wright online PLEASE?
I am outside North America and would like to watch Bill&#039;s take on going clear.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there an uploaded version of Real Time with Bill Maher and Lawrence Wright online PLEASE?<br />
I am outside North America and would like to watch Bill&#8217;s take on going clear.</p>
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		By: Valkov		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valkov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/08/scientology-excommunication-documents-the-church-usually-keeps-under-wraps/comment-page-1/#comment-62241&quot;&gt;OTVIIIisGrrr8!&lt;/a&gt;.

i22 continents, 15,901 countries, across how many planets,  please?  That s a vital omitted stat.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/08/scientology-excommunication-documents-the-church-usually-keeps-under-wraps/comment-page-1/#comment-62241">OTVIIIisGrrr8!</a>.</p>
<p>i22 continents, 15,901 countries, across how many planets,  please?  That s a vital omitted stat.</p>
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		By: Valkov		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Valkov]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2012 07:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/08/scientology-excommunication-documents-the-church-usually-keeps-under-wraps/comment-page-1/#comment-62311&quot;&gt;Jorge&lt;/a&gt;.

Not to mention the &quot;trickeration&quot; of your own publics,  friends,  trainees, and pcs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/08/scientology-excommunication-documents-the-church-usually-keeps-under-wraps/comment-page-1/#comment-62311">Jorge</a>.</p>
<p>Not to mention the &#8220;trickeration&#8221; of your own publics,  friends,  trainees, and pcs.</p>
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		By: InTheNameOfXenu		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[InTheNameOfXenu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 04:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember it being much more simple getting refunds 20 years ago. Now the cult has wound
up to having people sign forms to agree to go through these steps to get a refund. But these very steps are meant to prevent them from leaving in the first place. What a trap. Or in Hubbardian lingo, &#039;theta trap&#039;. Great scam.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember it being much more simple getting refunds 20 years ago. Now the cult has wound<br />
up to having people sign forms to agree to go through these steps to get a refund. But these very steps are meant to prevent them from leaving in the first place. What a trap. Or in Hubbardian lingo, &#8216;theta trap&#8217;. Great scam.</p>
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		By: Jorge		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jorge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 04:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/08/scientology-excommunication-documents-the-church-usually-keeps-under-wraps/comment-page-1/#comment-62298&quot;&gt;Scientology_411&lt;/a&gt;.

What would that clay model look like?

=====&#062;  o;(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/08/scientology-excommunication-documents-the-church-usually-keeps-under-wraps/comment-page-1/#comment-62298">Scientology_411</a>.</p>
<p>What would that clay model look like?</p>
<p>=====&gt;  o;(</p>
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		By: Jorge		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jorge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 04:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/08/scientology-excommunication-documents-the-church-usually-keeps-under-wraps/comment-page-1/#comment-62295&quot;&gt;Chocolate Velvet&lt;/a&gt;.

Hateration! LOL

&quot;Hail Crowley!!&quot; (quoting Hubbard there)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/08/scientology-excommunication-documents-the-church-usually-keeps-under-wraps/comment-page-1/#comment-62295">Chocolate Velvet</a>.</p>
<p>Hateration! LOL</p>
<p>&#8220;Hail Crowley!!&#8221; (quoting Hubbard there)</p>
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		By: DC8		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DC8]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 18:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/08/scientology-excommunication-documents-the-church-usually-keeps-under-wraps/comment-page-1/#comment-62308&quot;&gt;dbloch7986&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree. But let&#039;s just say for a moment that scientology was not a religion and instead remained as an applied philosophy. Can you immagine a student studying philosophy at university and then after a couple of years, having completed many exams, the student decides to change faculty and study something else. And because of this, the faculty at the university decide to ex-communicate the student from the university and declare him a suppressive person. Well this is what &quot;the applied philosophy of scientology &quot; is doing on a 
continual basis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/08/scientology-excommunication-documents-the-church-usually-keeps-under-wraps/comment-page-1/#comment-62308">dbloch7986</a>.</p>
<p>I agree. But let&#8217;s just say for a moment that scientology was not a religion and instead remained as an applied philosophy. Can you immagine a student studying philosophy at university and then after a couple of years, having completed many exams, the student decides to change faculty and study something else. And because of this, the faculty at the university decide to ex-communicate the student from the university and declare him a suppressive person. Well this is what &#8220;the applied philosophy of scientology &#8221; is doing on a<br />
continual basis.</p>
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		By: dbloch7986		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dbloch7986]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/08/scientology-excommunication-documents-the-church-usually-keeps-under-wraps/comment-page-1/#comment-62292&quot;&gt;muldrake&lt;/a&gt;.

Neither one of them says where they procured their declares. Even you say only that they, &quot;have copies of&quot;. Did they church give them these declares? Unless the church handed the declares over to them, willingly and they were not surreptitiously obtained (as in the article above), then they are not examples of anything that refutes my statement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/08/scientology-excommunication-documents-the-church-usually-keeps-under-wraps/comment-page-1/#comment-62292">muldrake</a>.</p>
<p>Neither one of them says where they procured their declares. Even you say only that they, &#8220;have copies of&#8221;. Did they church give them these declares? Unless the church handed the declares over to them, willingly and they were not surreptitiously obtained (as in the article above), then they are not examples of anything that refutes my statement.</p>
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		By: dbloch7986		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dbloch7986]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/08/scientology-excommunication-documents-the-church-usually-keeps-under-wraps/comment-page-1/#comment-62276&quot;&gt;nobs&lt;/a&gt;.

Nobs i think you are unnecessarily mincing words. The point is not what they are cancelling. it is that the entire practice of Scientology is supposed to be religious. So they are basically &quot;cancel&quot; a religious experience, which cannot be done.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/08/scientology-excommunication-documents-the-church-usually-keeps-under-wraps/comment-page-1/#comment-62276">nobs</a>.</p>
<p>Nobs i think you are unnecessarily mincing words. The point is not what they are cancelling. it is that the entire practice of Scientology is supposed to be religious. So they are basically &#8220;cancel&#8221; a religious experience, which cannot be done.</p>
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		By: dbloch7986		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dbloch7986]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 17:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/08/scientology-excommunication-documents-the-church-usually-keeps-under-wraps/comment-page-1/#comment-62262&quot;&gt;nobs&lt;/a&gt;.

Sunday service is well known to be a farce only for the sake of making Scientology appear like a religion.

IF you were a Scientologist as it seems like you are implying, then you would know that Scientologists don&#039;t pray. Spouting this BS about this &quot;prayer&quot; is just PR for them. It can hardly even be called a prayer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://tonyortega.org/2012/11/08/scientology-excommunication-documents-the-church-usually-keeps-under-wraps/comment-page-1/#comment-62262">nobs</a>.</p>
<p>Sunday service is well known to be a farce only for the sake of making Scientology appear like a religion.</p>
<p>IF you were a Scientologist as it seems like you are implying, then you would know that Scientologists don&#8217;t pray. Spouting this BS about this &#8220;prayer&#8221; is just PR for them. It can hardly even be called a prayer.</p>
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