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In Scientology, you get to blame everything on your trillion-year-old mental booby traps

 
Wow. What a day, huh? On Friday morning, we revealed that Danny Masterson was the subject of an LAPD investigation into the allegations of three women who say they were sexually assaulted by him as many as 16 years ago — but had not come forward earlier because of the bullying of the Church of Scientology. By the end of the day the story had hit just about every major news organization with an interest in such things. And most of them sent readers our way — and we thank them for that.

Naturally, that kept us busy with media inquiries and the like until late in the evening. So we’re grateful that Karen de la Carriere and Jeffrey Augustine happened to have a video ready for us to give you today while we take some time to regroup.

And this video is a lot of fun. Karen and Jeff take on one of Scientology’s more bizarre ideas — the mental implant.

“Implants are hidden commands maliciously implanted into the mind that make a human acts as he does,” Jeff says. “Only Scientology Inc., for many tens of thousands of dollars can un-install these malevolent evil-intentioned commands. And by erasing them, you get to call yourself Clear and beyond. In the culture it is widely believed that when you die, you report to an ‘implant station’ to get further zapped with more Implant Commands…the video explains more.”

Hey, thanks Jeff and Karen for jumping into the fray for us as we continue to report the latest crazy Scientology news.

 

 
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Talking Masterson on KABC

Discussing the recent unpleasantness with Jillian Barberie and John Phillips on KABC 790 in Los Angeles…

 

 
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HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,681 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,784 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,278 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,318 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,030 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 497 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,615 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,785 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,105 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,080 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 436 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,738 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 845 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,247 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,120 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 701 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,206 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,450 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,559 days.

 
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  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    COB RTC David Miscavige & Mr. Danny Masterson to headline at the Winning with Scientology Seminar at Celebrity Centre! Seats are limited. Book your tickets now. Event to be held in the CC Donkey Punch Pavilion.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/154da616e23c4fb2d12b7f31b79169abe8c2090c244efa933d3a530d71171af5.png

    • 4chanpartyvan

      Already booked my ticket,comes with a free rape whistle.

      • Ben Franklin

        The free rape whistle is just a decoy. The fix is in your drink, once you have a sip or two, you won’t even know you had a whistle, and by that time DJ donkey punch will be on you like a pair of old mom jeans.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Is that the special whistle that only donkeys can hear? I understand it brings Master Masterson on the run.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Per COB, the rape whistle is not to be used when one is being financially raped by a Scientology reg. The rape whistle is only for use if one is actually being raped by a fellow Scientologist or, say, a Scientology celebrity who has gone full Bill Cosby on you. The Ethics purpose of the rape whistle is to allow Scientology to cover up the crime in order to protect the Church.

    • Ms. B. Haven

      Wow, this sounds like my kind of event! With limited seating, does that mean that the Donkey Punch Pavillon will be so crowded that there will be no room for regges and recruiters to block greet participants at the exits? I am so excited that I might get to get even a brief glance at COB in person. And, this Danny guys sounds just dreamy, sort of an Ideal 2D who really knows how to treat a lady with respect, just like COB. Will Shelly be there?

      • OOkpik

        COB so loves musical chairs. Of course he will be selling far more tickets than are required for the available seating.

        eta: No to worry! Danny will be there to handle the casualties.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      and the 3 wives come and gone for mr.cruise.. for the man who is the ultimate “winner”!……gee, i hope suri can make it too!..

    • KimP

      Can we shove a pie plate down our pants to be on the safe side?

  • Panopea Abrupta

    After the foul taste left in the mouth by yesterday’s reported awfulness,
    here’s some of last night’s dessert as a palate freshener.

    A Jeff and Karen video to the rescue – yeah!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ecad9b7fa7816c36de5ab1d21e9fd7d6926a5f5c8cb8175d6dba6c8f92595ebd.jpg

    • Frodis73

      Not only is that yummy, it is oh so pretty!

    • MarcabExpat

      So cute! Totally stealing that for next batch of visitors from Up North πŸ™‚

    • stillgrace2

      I really like the fish platter, too.

  • Jeb Burton

    New readers? Hi ladies, I’m Jeb, voted two time Bunkerite of the year for my witty, yet deep thought posts. I like candlelight dinners, long walks on the beach and donkey punch type activity. Welcome.

    • Frodis73

      That did make me chuckle.

    • MarcabExpat

      VWD.

    • What year was that? ha ha

      • John Prince

        I only just this morning learned that such a thing as donkey-punch exsisted. .now I have to listen to jokes about it?

    • gtsix

      Ya got my vote for this year, Jeb.

      Coffee, laugh, spill, vote. VWD indeed.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      …AND Grand Master of Self Objectification. It’s a pretty compelling package, no?

  • Oh man, here we go. Karen and Jeff are opening the door on what are possibly the most bizarre (and totally non-confidential) part of Hubbard’s…shall we say “imaginative”?…ramblings to Scientologists. The Gorilla Goals, Black Mass Goals, Train Implants, Circus Implants, et al. It’s as though Hubbard must have had a bad day as a child taking a day trip to the circus back in Montana and then years later in a fever dream it all came back to haunt him. Or maybe, since these were all done around 1962 or ’63, maybe these were a test run to see just how far afield of reality Hubbard could convince his followers he could go and see if they’d still follow him.

    In terms of time, if I recall correctly, most of these implants pre-date the Xenu narrative by many millions and trillions of years. Some of them were “trillions of trillions of years ago” which is so far back it might as well be an infinite amount of time for all our minds can comprehend it. When I was a course supervisor back in the day, I used to have to try to teach students just how big a number a trillion is, by making comparisons like “a trillion seconds ago is 31,709 years ago so…” and I can’t believe how much sense that used to make to me and how insane it sounds even thinking about it now. I think it must be that no one talks about these things after they leave Scientology because they are just so far beyond any idea of rational thought that they just bounce out of your memory like BTs off of Tom Cruise’s thetan.

    I’m glad Karen finally opened up this door and even showed the bulletins to show she isn’t making this stuff up. And most importantly, talked about how on every correction list there is an item of “NOT THERE FOR YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE?” or the equivalent idea, all so Hubbard had an escape clause of “Oh, this isn’t your brand of crazy? Ok, you’re free and clear of this one.” These kinds of things came up a lot more frequently in “repair sessions” than most people probably remember. Who pays for it? The Scientologist who didn’t need the action. Every. Damn. Time.

    • Under the Radar

      No Chris – L Ron Hubbard was HATTED by PT BARNHAM. http://www.biography.com/people/pt-barnum-9199751

      That is where Tubby Hubbard got the “Let’s get the SHOW on the Road”

      and the VM yellow tent etc…

      Hurry …. Hurry …. Hurry – in this tent we have the flying OT’s….

      PT Barmham was the master of marketing during that time.

      https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiZjZCO9bzSAhVBw4MKHakpC2kQFggmMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.bidsketch.com%2Feverything-else%2Fself-promotion%2F&usg=AFQjCNES4irqW4sR1EiHHVOEUvUOkl0lzQ&sig2=PU376Xj9tZ5L2y6UypBRgQ

    • Techie

      Chris, another aspect of this that is not trillions of years old. Remember the “Plant Check”? Pain Drug Hypnosis? They really think that right here on earth implants are being done by doctors or FBI agents or the CIA or something (it is never clear who supposedly does this incredibly illegal act). And that the reason Scientology is not making it is because of these implanted pretend Scientologists messing things up. From Captain Bill (certifiably insane but in this quote he is talking about the period when he was a trusted Sea Org member) (warning, link to Ronsorg, more deluded than Scientology http://ronsorg.org/tableofcontents/sector9/debriefsector9.htm )

      I knew these guys were guilty as sin. So I checked my full staff for PDH, found two of them that read, ran them in session and they had similar stories. They were grabbed in the middle of the night, taken into a house, questioned, put back into the same area they were and told then to go to sleep and go up and go to bed and forget everything. And they did.

      I met Captain Bill in the early 80s briefly. No truer believer existed, and nobody with crazier ideas. A true blue follower of Ron.

      • Oh yes. This modern PDH stuff fits into Hubbard’s conspiracy theories quite well.

        • Techie

          Hey Chris, I have the distinction of having a direct order issued from L Ron Hubbard with my name on it saying that I was to be Plant Checked and Rolled Back. (Plant Check meaning checked on the meter to see if I am a plant, someone sent in to wreck Scientology, and Rolled Back meaning getting a special process on the meter to find out who gave me crazy ideas that made me commit crimes). I earned this by writing a note to owners of the Silver Special Edition MK VI when we had to recall the nickle plated cans in them. I wrote that I had done some research and found out that Hubbard was right in his issue about cans, that ordinary tin plated soup cans were better than nickle plated ones. Doing research on something that Hubbard said was a sin so great that in his eyes that he thought I was sent in by the CIA or something. If only the CIA and the Justice Department could be inspired to do even a tiny bit of investigation into Scientology. The world would be a happier place.

          • So you weren’t punished for doubting Hubbard’s word – you were punished for not accepting it without question. That’s control.

            • Techie

              It is very ironic, Once_Born. At the time my “post title” (position) was “Director of Research and Design” for the Hubbard Electrometer Division. So I got nuked for doing some research. Funny how they did not even get “R&D” right, should have been “Research and Development”.

            • As I understand it, Hubbard didn’t have a clue about electronics and the meters were actually designed for him.

              However is word was still deemed to be infallible – so you fell foul of a rare written opinion to the effect that ordinary cans were better.

              Designing and prototyping new models must have been a minefield – you would have to check out every word that Hubbard wrote on the subject so that your machine and the literature that came with it didn’t contradict the published words of a man who evidently could not do the job himself.

            • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

              Did AVC filter people pass your answer? When AVC approves outgoing communication, it’s their neck if orthodoxy is violated.

              Hubbard had a short memory himself, and at times drove AVC batty his changes. He forgot he’d revised something, and then cross ordered his latest writings himself, in a couple of occassions.

              Othordoxy arguing, demands that the top AVC people have read everything and are totally adept at parsing all orders, all times, all contexts, and then even his “mood” and figurativeness.

              LRH’s comments on certain people’s performances that pissed him off, were like kiss of death comments that ruined one’s reputation unless the messengers were sane enough to know he was on a bender when he ordered this or that.

              Context the whole viewpoint of longrange “timeless tech” principle, which is explained in a great example in the ASI advices traffic, is the all time orthodoxy principle along with LRH’s Class 8 “standard tech” principles, and the “arbitrary” principle from the Class 8 “Arbitraries” writing, plus LRH’s final traffic to ED Int, where LRH gives a comment on how ED Int is supposed to detect and deal with arbitraries.

              The playing of orthodoxy in full, I spent hours and weeks and months, reviewing the key issues that I used for determining what was the final correct administrative procedures.

              If the movement wished to really review all of Hubbard’s ideas and rules and regulations, they could do it.

              I’d use Way to Happiness as the core principles, over top of the “Money” accumulation (Treasury Division and Dissemination Division phases are their current focus—in the Hubbard writings on the fact that at any moment in time the movement will be in one another of the “Divisional” focus phases, in the ongoing history of Scientology, he said the movement will go through a spiralling Div 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 and then to 1 again, spiralling upward, supposedly).

              It’s all fiddle faddle to me, but a more chipper minded leader or leaders at the top would pull out of the Hubbard orthodoxy hat a different mix of Hubbard’s rules to follow and set the tone of the movement.

            • Techie

              It’ll never happen Chuck, the chaos exists largely because it gives the top dogs free reign to screw up whomever they want. I hope they never figure it out, because as long as they go on driving all the decent people away it will become more and more like a slice of Bedlam and finally implode.You ask about AVC, well that is part of why I got into so much trouble. I actually snuck onto Ken Delderfield’s Unix based R Comps typesetting computer and did the letter without getting it approved by anybody. Kind of like a Central Files letter, sort of, but a form letter in that the text was the same for all 50 letters. Well, totally off policy really, but I couldn’t stomach the idea of just taking all those shiny cans away from all those whales that paid top dollar plus for them without at least explaining it. Guess I’m just too decent for the job.

            • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

              LOL. That world of the rules is so looney, I laugh now. But get into that mindset, and it’s all bullshit wall to wall Hubbard troublesome constraining rules, and one’s battling a falsely constructed organization littered with Hubbard’s mental problems as one’s options.

              Yes, if you act decently, and like the stories of all of the failed “top execs” of the 1950s, the 1960s and onwards, even that repeating pattern when Shelly tries to do the right thing and get the postings at Int Base done for the org board, it results in the top nut (LRH or now Miscavige) ungratefully blasting the decent problem solvers nonetheless.

              That is a repeating pattern, for sure.

              So, what that means, like the great conclusions in Lawrence Wright’s and others’ books, is that the organization is, like you said above, a loser of an operation, due to the Hubbard nuttiness embedded in it.

              So, all that could be done, is take, Way to Happiness and use that as the overall strategy to undo ALL bad stuff elsewhere written in Hubbard’s rules and regulations, and really just only do the “high tone level” utterances of Hubbard’s and deep six all the low toned stuff, using Way to Happiness.

              But that is beyond them there, and best to let the people there get out any way they can.

              “Quit Fast.” Has been my joking conclusion, which is a standard LRH option, stated as a challenge by LRH, in the Keeping Scientology Working policy, he says, “If they are going to quit let them quit fast.”

              Quit Fast, period. The results overall have been zero “OTs”, so Hubbard did indeed fail, and he’s off doing his own OT Running Program as “rehab.” Good luck with that dear Ron! L. Ron Hubbard’s looney charade of a fake religion pseudo-therapy-exorcism of non-existent “body-thetans” created by the non-existant Xenu, but fitting in human history of what a “religion” is, so it gets its pass by US rules.

              What a predicament for fools drawn into Scientology. The protected con that the loon who started it didn’t realize was all fake BS, and the con keeps on running on auto-pilot. wedged inbetween US laws protecting it.

          • Ask me how surprised I am by any of this. πŸ˜€

    • KimP

      I know you have been asked this ad nauseam, and I swore I never ask it, but here I am and I can’t stop. What on earth motivates people to stay when they learn about the being shot out the dog butt implant? Does this stuff (the implant story) cost allot to get to or is this at lower levels within Scientology??

      I am just trying to wrap my head around this.

      • Techie

        There’s a great book by Steve Hassan, “Combating Mind Control”. He talks about the “sacred knowledge” or secret screed that is always part of destructive cults. It is part of the scam to draw people in. Same basic idea as “conspiracy theories”. The function of this secret screed is to reinforce the walls between the cult member and the outside world. They are told that universities, the media, former members, anybody outside the cult are liars and that only the cult leader knows the real truth. It is kind of thrilling to think that only you know the real story, that your cult is the only vessel of revealed truth, that you can explain the world and what happens perfectly while others struggle with doubts and shades of meaning.In the cult there are no uncertainties, doubts, incomplete information, pesky real facts that won’t go away. In the cult there is only the infallible word of the leader. Some cults use revelations, like messages in dreams from the saucer people. Others use the Bible interpreted in a strange special way, or some kind of supposedly ancient writings. With Hubbard the revelations are the “knowledge” that he supposedly remembered from his former lives. He claimed that the e-meter, the simplified skin galvanometer used by Scientology, proved that his revelations were true. So to a Scientologists all these ravings about obscene dogs and circus acts are revealed special truth. Hubbard even said that his revelations would not be believed by the general public and that this was a good thing. It gives Scientology a chance to get well established before the secret cabal of international bankers gets wind of it and tries to stop it. So it should not be surprising to hear that someone believes in crazy ideas when they are in a cult. It is an important part of the scam.

        • Crazy ‘revelations’ also test the faith of those in the inner circle. If they show significant doubt, it’s times they were dealt with or discarded, to avoid their contaminating the others.

          PS: there are passages in some of Hubbard’s ‘lectures’ that go completely off the rails and it sometimes seems as if he’s testing his control over the audience – finding out how far he can go and still have them take him seriously.

          • EricS

            Hubbard mostly seemed to make shit up. There was no logic to it. He would start a lecture and get past the “see how incredible I am” part and then just make shit up to appear impressive. If he contradicted himself he would claim that it wasn’t a mistake, it could be either way. I will bet the whole “is it Zenu or Zemu” nonsense, is one of these errors dealt with by back peddling with, “Ya, ya, well he was known by a lot of names you know, and that sort of thing, in different parts of the universe. He was very powerful, you know, and held sway over bla bla bla….”

            Maybe it was a test, but I think that he was just so thrilled to have an audience that soaked up absolutely everything uttered, that he simply freewheeled through his imagination. If he were to carry on like that in a mental institution he would likely be deemed one of the more delusional of the denizens.

            One of Hubbard’s pronouncements was that “reality is agreement. What is agreed upon is real.” So he gets agreement from his sycophants and that makes all the nonsense he dreamed up, REAL.

            That is him creating universes… from pure fabrication to reality in a heartbeat.

            • I can’t add to that except to observe that those ‘lectures’ were carefully controlled so that they were composed only of the faithful. in that kind of social situation, even people who are already half-way to absolute, uncritical faith will go along with a very great deal rather than risk standing out.

        • ze moo
        • pluvo

          Same basic idea as “conspiracy theories”

          Hubbard had so many conspiracy theories interwoven into his ‘tech’ and as reasons why he was attacked (it was never his own fault). With sorting out Hubbard’s ‘tech’ and come off the Kool-Aid, one has also to come off from the many conspiracy theories one was fed in the cult. Some never do that step.

          I heard once a steward telling very excitedly that he had overheard that COB would have said that there was never a moon landing. Because it was coming from “COB” it was true then for him like other stuff that Hubbard claimed. DM positioned himself so that his word is the law and the truth in Scn now (even against Hubbard policy).

        • Peter

          You mean the Democratic party did NOT conspire to bring Bernie down? Are you saying that there are no “conspiracy theories”?

          • Techie

            Of course there are real conspiracies. We usually don’t find out about them until somebody writes a memoir or a historian discovers some old documents. The participants usually keep the whole thing quiet while it is happening. In the age of the internet and email this is harder. The conspiracy theory I am talking about is the theory that a cabal of very important men (sadly, almost every proponent of conspiracy theory disagrees on who these men are) runs the world behind the scenes. A favorite text on this in Scientology top executive circles is “Rule by Conspiracy” by Jim Marrs. You can read all about it on Alex Jones’ site. There is a site about it ironically called “Prison Planet”. Hubbard said Earth was originally a prison planet and that is why there are so many geniuses and criminals here. Then he changed his mind and came up with the OT III story. Conspiracy theory is a big part of the secret screed of many cults. Because it explains why the information in the screed is so contrary to well established true information. Conspiracy theory says all the information in the outside world is a manufactured pile of lies invented by the cabal of conspirators. So to believe in the secret screed makes you a special person in the know, an elite, someone with their eyes opened and the blinkers cast off. Very heady stuff, but very bad for you. Like a diet of nothing but chocolate cake. You end up sick, fat and annoyed. Some acquire the ability to talk very fast so the listener can’t see how bizarre your statements are. In the time right after the ’93 IAS victory, in the Golden Age of Tech 1, there was a time when Dave Miscavige seemed to be pleased with Golden Era Productions. I got awarded, with three others, my own personalized Quantum MK VII e-meter. Only one of the four is still at the Gold Base, and even he went through the Hole at one point. But anyway, in those brief few years of glory Dave used to recommend films for the Gold Base to watch during Sea Org Day celebrations or over Christmas. “Something About Mary” was one of these, another was “Armageddon”, a 90s remake of “Day of the Jackal”, one of the “Men in Black” sequels. And, of course, “Conspiracy Theory”.

      • Techie has it exactly right. Simple answer is that Scientologists generally don’t even begin to hear about this whole track implanting stuff until they are so invested, they’ll believe anything Hubbard says (or at least are willing to twist their brain around to make it make sense somehow). Paranoid conspiracy theory indoctrination + sci-fi fundamentals of the belief system = some pretty epic fail with being able to stay tuned in to reality. That’s Scientology for you.

        • joan nieman

          Excellent explanatory statement Chris.

        • ExCult.Jan

          “Invested” is key, Kim. The mind discards info that challenges the investment.

          It’s like, once you pay for the engagement ring and wedding, it’s much, much harder to call it off and walk away when you realize you made a mistake. So you stay and invest more in a doomed marriage, shoring up your new reality, until reaching a breaking point and getting divorced.

          Eventually, the vast majority of victims of thought reform break free and decide to walk away from their lost investment. For me, it was a mind-shattering moment when my world view shifted 180 degrees and I “woke up”. And it was devastating walking away from my investment in marrying my cult recruiter, my community and ‘friends’, years of lost time and income, emotional stability (for a time), and so much more.

          The ever-present threat of shunning and disconnection is probably the most powerful force against leaving.

      • As an ‘never in’ I have had the same problem.

        My approach is to observe that only a minority of Scientologists reach the level where they are introduced to these strange ideas – very few have heard of Xenu for example. By this time you have been gradually but very thoroughly socially isolated.

        For example, the CofS insists that you spend a lot of time in the org, auditing (2 1/2 hours a day, sometimes). You are told that the wider world is corrupt and hostile and that you should withdraw from it. You are required to ‘disconnect’ from anyone who voices the slightest doubt about Scientology. You may even be employed in a Scientology business.

        When your whole social world consists of Scientologists it’s easy to lose perspective. The weird becomes normal, and the seriously weird, in context, is less of challenge.

        Of course, for those who join the Sea Org, that isolation is often physical as well, and social pressure can be effectively backed up by threats and coercion.

        • Techie

          What you say is true in general, Once_Born. There are a lot of ideas that are not prominently shown to new people. Like the “Ups and Downs in Life” course that turns out to be about Suppressive persons and disconnection. But there are also lots of folks that gravitate to the weird and seemingly impossible world of alien abductions, Edgar Cayce and the like. That was me in the 70s, new age long haired brown rice eating hippy person that I was. I read the “History of Man” and “Scientology 8-80” and just lapped it up. Finally an explanation of the insanity of the modern world, the Viet Nam war, man’s inhumanity to man. All wrapped up in a pretty bow. All explained by the “reactive mind”. When you are in a certain mindset, when the world seems an arbitrary and cruel place, when you are lonely and afraid, the simple but bizarre explanation is attractive.

        • Orglodyte

          In the early 80’s when I was new, many of us at the Mission ate that stuff up. Not Xenu of course, and I didn’t hear about BTs once in 15 years in. But we got together on our own time to listen to the PDC lectures. And Gorilla goals, implant stations on Mars, Helatrobus, Fac One — a Whitman’s Sampler of upper levels — are in the Tech Dictionary for any curious (or bored, spinny LOL) student to dive into.

          My personal reaction was excitement. I had, and still have, fantasies of the human race expanding out into the galaxy some day. Scientology raised the possibility that I could personally experience this, and in fact had, many times.

          • So all the implant stuff is laid on Scientologists (or at least available to them) relatively early on in their career?

            Still – what I wonder is whether or not you would have felt the same excitement if those claims had delivered to you before you had heard about Scientology – for example if you had been been with a group of friends (including some sceptics) in a coffee shop, and a Scientologist had started telling you all about implants.

            Perhaps you would have reacted differently in that situation that as a member of a ‘band of brothers’ all of whom had already completed courses in a Scientology mission.

            I think familiarity and social context make a big difference.

            • KimP

              Thanks all for the replies! It is all so outlandish it rings of something even Derren Brown would have great difficulty in pushing upon someone he had hypnotized.

              I do, however, understand becoming emotionally invested to the point you are willing to accept such silliness. Just, the dog butt thing….can’t process that. I like to believe such couldn’t be accepted … I guess it’s out of fear, realizing if logical, thinking people can fall for this, it”s quite possible that I could:/

            • Orglodyte

              Well, the Obscene Dog itself is on the confidential Class VIII tapes, but there’s plenty of equally weird stuff in “History of Man” and “Have You Lived Before This Life.” It is indeed remarkable that an intelligent human being can be drawn so quickly into believing such things. Scientology contains many clever ways to do this, mind viruses in effect.

              I haven’t heard this one mentioned much, and it was big in my case: Hubbard used the old tool of fiction, suspension of disbelief, really well. Just try it and see, he says, don’t believe me. But then Keeping Scientology Working, ethics, and word clearing, all conspire to turn suspension of disbelief into belief. For example, the derogatory references to “open mindedness” in KSW, and the bald fact that Point Three is “Knowing [the technology] is correct.”

              It’s a con, Kim, and good con artists can have you believing nonsense in a real hurry. The best thing I got out of Scientology was my shiny Quantum Bullshit Detector. Hopefully you are similarly inoculated.

            • But, as Tony points out, there’s a get-out clause – if you really don’t accept any of these stories, the ‘explanation’ is that you haven’t encountered that particular implant – and you are moved along to something that you will accept before you start to have doubts.

              I don’t think people accept these things out of fear. The degree to which many perfectly sane and reasonable people will comply to social pressure is both astonishing and little known, and that’s the lever that is used.

              Here are two examples – in the first social pressure is used in an experiment and makes people deny or even doubt the evidence of their own eyes https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/05/02/understanding-the-scientology-mindset-pt-2-social-conformity/ In the second, ordinary people off the street were show to be prepared to administer what they had ever reason to think were lethal electric shocks because they were told to by legitimate authority, and they were only following orders https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/05/03/understanding-the-scientology-mindset-pt-3-obedience-to-authority/ I think both are highly relevant to Scientology.

              We also have to bear in mind that Scientology only thrives within a socially isolated environment because this influence is made even more powerful by the absence of dissenters.

              The only defence against this form of manipulation, I think, is knowledge of how it works and sufficient self-awareness to be able to apply this knowledge to your present situation.

            • Orglodyte

              Not laid on them per se. But in studying, one looks up a word, then any words in the definition that you don’t get, and any words in those definitions … it’s called a word chain, and it can take days to work your way down the branching tree of definitions and back up again.

              In the Technical and Admin dictionaries, one runs into all sorts of tantalizing references in definitions, or in other ones on the same page. Conscientiously following the words down the rabbit hole leads to dead ends which can only be resolved by looking at lecture transcripts. I had a pretty clear idea of Hubbard’s cosmology by the time I was done with the Communication Course, my first course.

              I am certain that if I had encountered these ideas at a coffee shop pre-Scientology, I would have reacted completely differently. By the time I started running into this stuff, I had been blown out of my skull by a TR0 session, and I was eager to find out as much as I could. And I had a like-minded course supervisor who was similarly excited. We actually stayed after class to listen to the PDC tapes, non-confidential high-level lectures. We were in on something really big that the world at large did not know about — heady stuff for a 24-year-old seeker and science fiction fan.

              BTW the supervisor has been out for many years and is happier than, um, a clam.

            • So, after all the time you spent looking up words and trying to make sense Hubbard’s writing (working on the assumption that it did make sense) you were in an… unusual state of mind (the psychological effects of the TRs is another of my preoccupations) https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/08/27/the-compelling-effects-of-simply-staring-understanding-the-scientology-mindset-part-13/

              Would we agree that this is state is inculcated so gradually that you don’t notice what is going on until you are in it.

            • Orglodyte

              I don’t know if there’s anything quite like the state produced by Scientology. By the time Ron is done with you, it is possible to believe simultaneously that you are a critical thinker while swallowing him hook line and sinker, and to believe that the tech works 100% of the time when it almost never works at all, and to have the Kevlar bubble firmly in place to deflect any criticism. This can happen in weeks or even days!

              Waking up from this was one of the finest experiences of my life. I felt like Galileo, looking at the moons of Jupiter for the first time and realizing that the geocentric model of the solar system could not be true.

            • That’s another thing which fascinates me – the reason for the transition between ‘believer’ and unashamed SP. We understand that pressures that contribute to bring it about, but no the reasons why the illusion shatters.

            • Orglodyte

              My exit process briefly: Years of piling up internal contradictions and weirdnesses in the tech, and a giant structure of rationalizations to justify them. Sat down to reread the 50’s books and ease my worried mind. Ran into the claim that 30 pounds could be gained or lost just by auditing and a thought went through my head like a banner towed by a biplane: This CANNOT be true! Hubbard is lying! This simple thought triggered the question: What if he lied at other times? And the whole house of cards fell down, took about 36 sleepless hours for my mind to reorganize itself and the cognitive tension to dissipate.

            • I would interpret that as a process. You entered Scientology and read the book… in that social environment, where everyone was celebrating it’s ‘genius’ you went along with it in order to learn more. Social isolation insured that you ‘progressed’, and the ‘wisdom’ of those books grew in memory.

              As I say elsewhere, Scientologists do not so much much believe as they constantly suspend disbelief, yielding to the pressures placed upon them by other Scientologists.

              When you came back to those early books, with experience and a new perspective, you could see that they were not what they seemed.

              Some people, like yourself, just can’t sustain the contradictions beyond a certain point. Others need a bit of ‘push’ before they will even consider questioning their guru.

              I suspect that this push comes from Scientology itself, when the organisation makes some utterly unreasonable demand. The critical community is powerless to provide the straw that breaks the camels back, because they can’t reach a believer. However, they can provide the truth (typically via the Internet) when Scientology drives its own people to sufficient doubt that they look outside.

              Either way, I’m glad you took the plunge.

            • Orglodyte

              My “straw” was not some outrageous demand, but the simple fact that I was not surrounded by Scientologists any more. I had a “wog” job and friends, and some time alone to think. Hence no social isolation. My natural tendency to examine my assumptions in the interest of growth and curiosity got me back out of the rabbit hole.

              I agree that continual suspension of disbelief describes the situation better than “faith” or ‘belief” does. The LRH lecture, “Scientology and Effective Knowledge,” makes the point clearly that you should observe the results of Scientology for yourself and come to your own conclusions — a PR line repeated endlessly by celebrities especially, and believed by Scientologists.

              Then simultaneously, you are hit with ethics (you are PTS if you are “finding out if Scientology works”), KSW (Knowing THAT the technology is correct, and more), and then there is word clearing …

              Are you familiar with Method 4 word clearing, in which the student is asked on the meter, “Is there anything in the materials that you disagree with?” Then you look up words until you agree. No way out except the door. How bald-faced!

            • The fact that it was contact with the wider world that changed your perspective is fascinating. This is, it seems, why the CofS puts so much emphasis on pressuring members to spend more and more time inside the bubble.

              Yesterday, Techie (who worked on e-meters) spoke of getting into trouble because he confirmed Hubbard’s assertion that ordinary cans worked better than the fancy nickel-plated one that were being used at the time. He got into big trouble for not accepting Hubbard’s words uncritically – for doing his job and researching.

              That sounds like “knowing that the technology is correct, and more” – a way of presenting the process of closing your mind as if it were something admirable.

              As a ‘never in’, I’ve looked at ‘study tech’, and in tracking down rare Scientology documents I have constantly come across the ‘misunderstood word’ thing that appears at the beginning of most Scientology texts.

              This functions to make the text infallible. Any author that you apply it to cannot be wrong. It’s up to you to inspect every word until you come around to his point of view and, of course, the only texts that Scientologists are allowed to read are by Hubbard. Word clearing (which I have not looked into) seems to just be an extension of this – wearing you down until you comply.

            • Orglodyte

              Yup. There is a fudge — find something you can agree with, some way to agree with it or sound like you are, to satisfy the word clearer and the meter while still holding on to some of your viewpoint internally. Not unique to Scientology, people do this all the time when avoiding conflict — or running for office! A recipe for cognitive dissonance.

              BTW I read Techie’s posts. I tried many times to point out and report things Hubbard said, that were not being done that way in the organization. I was ignored or worse. I thought it was current management resisting the information. It was illuminating that Techie’s smackdown came from LRH himself!

            • The fudge still works for the system, though, because it insures outward compliance.

              In a world where a prohibition against ‘verbal tech’ is enforced both inwardly and outwardly, nobody knows that individuals have reservations. If those could be freely discussed it would soon become apparent that everyone had them and there were as many versions of Scientology as there were people .

              If belief is not to be had, compliance will do.

            • Orglodyte

              Quite right, the Emperor’s New Clothes. Good discussing this stuff with you!

            • EricS

              My thoughts on this are that the illusion is held together by mystery and group agreement. I so desperately wanted to unravel the “mysteries of life” that I was willing to ignore some discrepancies in order to get to the good stuff.

              I think the illusion shatters when you see that there are other viewpoints that are more rational than those you have come to accept as a scientologist. If you look at the various iterations of people who have left the church, I think you will find that those who have not looked into other answers to life’s problems, are still stuck in the scientology illusion. If they still believe in the “tech” they are still invested in the illusion.

              Personally I saw a crack, and started to look elsewhere. It took a while to let go of the illusion. It took deciding to reinspect the “truths” I had agreed to, to see if they approximated reality. When I discovered most didn’t I stopped using scientology terms and concepts to explain what I was experiencing in life.

              I had questioned many things I was told in scientology, but I had put my doubt on hold. Once I removed that hold, a domino effect brought the whole thing crashing down.

            • I’ve often said here that Scientology is a fragile faith, and that Scientologists do not so much believe as suspend disbelief.

              For people like yourself, this can be maintained only as long as the social isolations holds up – the moment you get a wider perspective, the doctrinal house of cards starts to fall down. This is why the CofS takes such trouble to demonise outsiders, forbid internal discussion, keep people in the Org for long hours and all the rest.

              As for Independents, I think you say it all “If they still believe in the “tech” they are still invested in the illusion.” They are also likely to be able to sustain if for longer because far fewer demands placed upon them. Luckily these people are few in number, disunited and impotent.

              Perhaps there is a different situation with people who are ‘born in’. Scientology’s hostility to education means that they are denied a wider perspective – Scientology is all that they know. Thinking outside the box has to be more difficult is you have no ideal what is out there. Also, or course there are the practical difficulties – being disconnected means losing your entire social circle and cast out into the world with no meaningful qualifications.

              The mystery to me is the ‘true believers’. From what I have learned about local Scientology ‘staff’, who have been involved for decades, they have put themselves in the position of the ‘born in ‘.

              They have been in Scientology for so long that they know nothing at all about the wider world and are not interested in learning because it would involve losing the thing which sustains them – the conviction that they are privy to special knowledge. The fact that Scientology is not working for them is blatantly obvious. They are stony broke, and hardly ever persuade new customers into the shop, despite sitting there for very long hours. However, they have no alternative but to persist, because otherwise they would have to fact the fact that they wasted all that time.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Here’s my best answer.

        Most don’t believe it. Most are gone well before that. Others believe that Scientology can show them the way to leave their bodies and that given time, they will master and control the out of body experience. They believe that they have evidence for this. They believe that they will gain control over MEST and will become godlike.

        A Scientologist will come to believe that the soul, the thetan, is immortal, and existed trillions of years before now. Trillions is a lot. In that time we were not on Earth but lived throughout the universe. All sorts of things went on, some of which resembled bad Sci-Fi from the pulp magazines.

        Step by step, a person can be drawn in, though most aren’t and see it for what it is, a money making scam.

        • Elizabeth Lavet

          I agree – Native American journey work teaches one to journey into upper and lower worlds, outside ones body, and to meet ones spirit helpers to get a broader view; however, they do NOT use hard sell and disconnection as well as encourage going into debt to give money to them. The money scam is probably one of the biggest early red flags for me (except early courses are inexpensive), as well as the don’t talk negative and don’t tell policy.

      • pluvo

        One last thing to consider, Kim. At the beginning when one encounters Scn one gets lulled into a false sense of security, among others, with the Hubbard quote: Nothing in Scn is true, if it is not true for you. Sounds good, but when then hooked on the Kool-Aid it is more and more KSW (Keeping Scn Working), what means Hubbard’s truth is your truth or else.

        There are several mechanisms to get the members deeper and deeper into it. One of the main factors is, that it is forbidden to discuss ‘tech’ and when one is questioning something, one gets told to clear up one’s “MUs” (Misunderstood Words) or sent to the ‘ethics’ department which is administering Hubbard’s ‘ethics’ tech.

        It doesn’t mean that everybody in the cult believes everything. But one wouldn’t discuss this but keep it for oneself, also because it is a big no-no to criticize Hubbard who is “Source”. Hubbard even wrote policies in which he says that critics of Scn always have crimes, and in general “being critical” is depicted as having overts and withholds (sins and sins which are not disclosed). A big part of the ‘technology’ is similar to Orwell’s “1984” with the thought-police who is handling thoughtcrime.

    • ze moo

      I have the ‘scary clown’ implant. Those damn Batman movies re-stimulate it very well. My brand of crazy doesn’t extend to ‘implant stations’ or the ability to get ‘rid’ of imaginary implants.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “Or maybe, since these were all done around 1962 or ’63, maybe these were
      a test run to see just how far afield of reality Hubbard could convince
      his followers he could go and see if they’d still follow him.”

      Bingo!

    • Jgg2012

      Chris, it goes to the circularity of Scientology. It always works. And if it doesn’t, some bad person must have placed implants to stop it from working.

    • Ann B Watson

      And now everyone knows why I respect and Love Karen and Jeff. They let it all fly and by telling the implant bizarre Tech it becomes so much easier for an X like me to see what was waiting for me in the OT clouds. Bulletins are so vital and Karen and Jeff have them and explain them. I agree with Chris, I hear and read all this now and I see right to the heart of the Scam, but when I was in Sea Org, except for maybe the last months I totally believed all that Old Ron wrote, spoke about or videoed. Now his and dms words are the words of liars and thieves of wallets, minds, hearts, families, children and yes criminals in the name of Love. Thank you Chris for all your hard work. Good to see you. πŸ’›

    • Thank you dear Chris.
      In order to celebrate their further FAIR GAME and Fake data on me on new
      hate pages, I will respond with videos that really truly GET INTO THE HEART OF
      THE TECH AND SO ON.

      Competition is in my blood.
      Let’s see who gets
      more views, my videos or their Hate Pages on me !!!
      Laughter.

  • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

    http://tonyortega.org/2016/01/27/30-years-ago-today-l-ron-hubbard-discarded-the-body-he-had-used-in-this-lifetime/comment-page-1/

    That date written on a copy of one of Hubbard’s late in life solo session work-sheet papers that Pat Broeker held up during the Hubbard funeral event, is right up Hubbard’s alley of delving into the depths of his past-lives, for mental bric a brack that are still messing with us today, for which Hubbard came up with processes to likewise jar people into remembering something from deep in their past lives that will help them today.

    Really galactically long ago mental turmoil of some sort, that Hubbard was out there in the past, searching for.

  • Newiga

    Ahoy, lurking implants in the sky! Please go taunt Danny Masterson!

    Oh the web of BS Sci-fi LRH spun in his so-called scripture… O_o Great video, Jeff and Karen!

  • I wrote an article — OK, cut and pasted some material together – about Scientology Member Greta Van Susteren and Christian Minister Franklin Graham. Please let me know if any of this is of use or interest.

    ESMB: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?43567-Scientology-Member-Greta-Van-Susteren-and-Christian-Minister-Franklin-Graham

    WWP: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/scientology-member-greta-van-susteren-and-christian-minister-franklin-graham.132719/

    /

    • Interesting. I bet Greta’s Scientology work is to get in Study Tech.

  • J. Swift

    I remember that day 75,000,000 years ago. I lived on a 1950’s Earth-like planet, wore a fedora, was a librarian, and ate a lunch counter like every other working Joe. Name was Henry Beemis. All of us at the library got a letter in the dead of winter from the Interzone ordering us in for an income tax audit. My appointment was at 5:30PM 75,000,012 years, 18 hours, sixteen minutes, and 3 seconds from GMT. Mine was the very last appointment of the day.

    On my way to the appointment in the Interzone, my 1948 Packard got a flat tire. There were no payphones and I was stuck way out in the middle of nowhere between my home in Metropolis and the Interzone. Had to sleep in my car that night and kept the engine running and the heater on because it was freezing. When I woke up the next day and made it to the Interzone everyone was gone. I was out of gas and borrowed another car. Drove back to Metropolis and everyone there was also gone. The place was desolate and had been destroyed. Later that day fleets of DC-8 spaceplanes zoomed overhead and headed off into outer space. I was suddenly alone on this deserted planet. A flat tire is why I never got implanted in Incident II.

    I was alone and in despair. But then I realized I could at last read all the books in the library to my heart’s delight. However, it seems I ran into an almost equally horrible problem:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAxARJyaTEA

    • PickAnotherID

      One of my favorite episodes. Only Jack Klugman appeared in as many episodes as Burgess Meredith. The intro to another episode he was in, “The Obsolite Man”, almost seems prescient today:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3quruHpcuo

      • Robert Eckert

        They cut away from Rod just in time for him to finally drag on that cigarette and knock off that perilously long ash.

        • Ah, the good old days when you could smoke on TV, the courtroom, the grocery store….hell, everywhere!

          • Sherbet

            The hospital room.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            I remember those days with watering eyes. It was hell for those of us allergic to cigarette smoke…

            • The smell alone is nauseating. For non-smokers.

          • ExCult.Jan

            Cigarette vending machines, even in hospital lobbies.

  • The STAND League has reacted to Tony’s article yesterday. I’m uploading a graphic in addition to providing a link to the tweet because, yes, the STAND League has also blocked me. Notice the date of the tweet.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b6c1ce1023b28ebc83c2b201bc75c217e707445558d752b7c9baba3a3b3ce218.png

    https://twitter.com/standleague/status/837911368611192834

    • Heh. They’re so chicken-shit that they have to say it in the form of a question.

      “We didn’t say that, we just asked a question.”

      • The Truth About Tony Ortega – omg! omg! omg! omg! :-O

    • Ben Franklin

      So fake that the LAPD just had to confirm that it is true. How about that?

      What kind of dictionary are Scientologists using nowadays to clear their words? These folks are mentally gone.

      • They make their own dictionary. it’s much easier

    • MarcabExpat

      LOL they can’t manage to make him look evil, only Sad And Very Concerned.

  • Under the Radar

    When you really think about it (which was a HIGH CRIME in Scientology)

    Scientology is many sciences

    Science of manipulation, fraud and deceit

    Science of mind control and hypnosis

    Science of impinging hard with no HE$R – on your bank account, IRA, Stock portfolio, inheritance, income, family’s money and friends money.

    Science of Bankruptcy and Debt (Pirates and Bums) – for the good of Scientology’s dynamics

    Science of ruining relationships

    Science of shattering families

    And…

    Science of BLAME

    If a religion can blame the “devil” – then any religion can blame

    Scientology blames YOU first (if you catch them in one of their many crimes)

    Scientology claims it does not label and all THE Psych’S do is label

    Then – Scientology calls you a name (if you find out and are willing to talk about it)

    SP
    Illegal PC
    Degraded Being
    No Case Gain
    Type III
    Etc…

    Then Scientology blames the reactive mind

    Then Scientology blames your BT’s and Cluster’s

    and Scientology created a 76 trillion year past life track on which to play its little game of “getting up a Bridge”

    THAT is how Scientology works.

    $cientology capitalizes on our built in circuit of “responsibility and guilt” like no other religion in the Universe.

    • That is how Scientology teaches you to be responsible. It’s so out of reach it’s no wonder so many give up trying.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      and makes YOU PAY FOR IT ALL! for the “privilege” because after all it’s a “beautiful religion” and fastest growing as well!..

  • STAAD is jerking their CLOWN implant around on Twitter
    Ups!… beatet by the best

    • MarcabExpat

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAFLUNK.

      (plus one-tenth of a point for the non-obsolete reference, though.)

    • They are going to have a lot of work today adding the hundred of news outlets yesterday with ‘fake news’ to the list.

    • Jack99

      Come to think of it, his name rhymes with “phoney”. Obviously, that’s not a coincidence. Lock him up!

      • MarcabExpat

        *groan* Oh, you know that one’s going into their repertoire.

    • Since they are using this morning picture of Tony, let’s rerun the wrinkle free picture of Team Leah – Yay! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/641d89246240ee2e51fe4506ca29db2651fa9b88f5045ac76e90596ac4a5f99b.png
      I bet this KnowledgeReport Email account is have some serious stories to wait for!

      • stillgrace2

        This picture was shot at a Day Spa where they got a group discount on facials.

        • ze moo

          Groupon works!!

      • joan nieman

        I just love this picture. It radiates strength.

  • Wow only 8 comments – I’m early. My partner came home at 3:30a telling me Scientology and rape were on the radio news on his way home. Now why in the world did I leap out of bed, get dressed fix the coffee while listening to Tony on the podcast? Because it feels so f**king great to see that church get hurt where the heartlessness is.
    In 2003, I would have prosecuted a church member that molested my underage and developmentally disabled daughter for the second time. I had records and admissions of both. No, no, no ~ I went directly to the Chaplin of my former org where I’d been employed 20 years and filed a request for a chaplains court for damages. Also to sort out the property he and I owned together since he was no longer welcome. There is a policy by ron which states a minimum/maximum penalty due under such circumstances. I went on the internet and figured out with inflation how much that would be currently and submitted my request. I think the minimum was 75K. The Chaplin ‘awarded’ 15K and it had to go on account at AOLA for the family’s counseling to heal the damage. As for the property – the Chaplin would not speak on it and I was forced to sell.
    There will be many many many such cases coming forward. They’ve had rape in their Sea Org nurseries and in the many scientology schools and daycares. I don’t think Scientology can hold up to this as well as the Catholic church has. So glad my 2 disconnected children will be listening to the same news as me πŸ™‚

    • MarcabExpat

      Wow, Cece. I hope they do hear it. Truth has a way of bursting in in a hundred unexpected ways.

      • Oh they will without a doubt. I think we all will be amazed to know who is listening to the news about scientology right now. Think Debbie Cooks letter 1 Jan 2012. I’ve seen at least 50 reports that opened the door for them but give them a few years to start talking. There soon will be few that are not speaking out and using their real name too. The END OSA.

    • I’ve described how the concept of pluralistic ignorance applies to Scientology before https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/05/07/understanding-the-scientology-mindset-pt-5-pluralistic-ignorance/

      In short, individual Scientologists who are not experiencing the promised benefits, think they are the only one, because everyone around them is reading out ‘success stories’ and behaving as if everything is wonderful. They decide to ‘fake it until they make it’.

      The compartmentalisation of Scientology – the fact that you can’t talk about your ‘case’ even with other Scientologists at the same level – means that they never realise that almost everyone else is also faking it, to some extent.

      This may work with sexual abuse too. When somebody encounters that kind of abuse in Scientology it is covered up as a matter of fixed policy. Those involved in the cover-ups believe that they are ‘saving the planet’, and that the ends justify the means. Neither is true.

      They are likely also told that this kind of offence has never happened before, and accept that as a fact. In fact, it is happening all the time, and nobody knows, because of the cover-ups.

      Leah Remini and Tony have done a great service in showing Scientologists who have suffered that they were not the only one and that abuse is likely endemic. It wasn’t just you. It was many, many others.

      That situation does tend to arise in organisations which cover up offences instead of addressing them. Scientology also seems to take hush money (in the form of donations) from the offender who is then restored to good standing. It’s really a form of pandering – you can do what you like (especially if you are a ‘celebrity’) and get away with it as long as you pay.

      Fortunately, when victims start talking to each other, the floodgates can open. At the very least, the CofS is going to have a difficult time keeping this under control – a major distraction that will stress their steadily degrading organisation.

      There may never be justice for all those unknown victims – we may never even know how many there have been – but speaking out about their suffering may contribute to bringing a serial abuser down.

      That serial abuser is not only the CofS but also, indirectly, L Ron Hubbard, whose manipulative attitude towards others is reproduced in every aspect of Scientology doctrine and practice. The CofS behaves so badly because he made it in his image https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/06/18/malignant-narcissim-l-ron-hubbard-and-scientologys-policies-of-narcisstic-rage/

    • May_West

      That would be statutory rape for which, I believe, there are no time constraints on criminal charges being brought. Better late than never.

      • Yes, I’ve long tossed the files… It will all come out in the end. No regrets πŸ™‚

    • ExCult.Jan

      Damn. I so hope your kids listen and reach out to you. Hugs!

  • MarcabExpat

    Tony, I really hate yesterday’s story, but I’m so incredibly glad you’re telling it. It really does seem that if it hadn’t been for you and Leah, this would never have gotten out there. Congratulations on once again being a real force for justice. Even if the case never makes it to court, you’ve made a tangible change in the lives of everyone affected by Masterson’s behavior, and possibly (hopefully!) even prevented others from becoming victims in the future. You’ve helped at least three women and may have saved many more. How does that feel? I bet that even with the day’s adrenaline rush, you slept better last night than Danny Masterson.

    • In Scientology lingo, Leah and Mike and Tony and all have made it safe for people to come forward. They have ‘Safe Pointed’ the way for victims to get justice.
      Look ‘ol man Hubbard ~ it works!
      Scientology sent me to ‘Safe Point’ the neighbors around Big Blue back in 1977. My job was to get to know each and let them know we were moving into the big buildings down the block from them. I figured we would really be helping these guys when we were next door. Like bringing the older persons meals and stuff. I was delusional.

  • FredEX2

    Anyone know this guy as an OSA or Scientology PI? 3rd time in 2 weeks he was around us in different places. Yesterday he changed clothes and ‘disguises’ several times while in the store. Then he even put on sunglasses in the store. ( note the pic before he put on the sunglasses …on a dark stormy day outside with no sun at all ) He then followed me out to my car & sat on a bench nearby staring at me and my son as we put groceries in the car, and as I pulled out of the parking lot watching where he went…when he seemed to think I wasn’t looking…he literally stood up & took off his jogging pants outside with other people around…to reveal another layer of pants underneath…as a PI myself I’ve changed ‘disguises’ in a hurry, especially if I think the subject might’ve noticed me…put on fake glasses, changed clothes, put my hair in a pony tail etc., carried a bag or briefcase of various ‘props’ ( like a book to pretend to be reading’ etc.)

    Besides seeing him change clothes, I noticed he had a very stylish haircut, an expensive leather jacket he had removed was in his cart ( enlarge and you can see it ), a briefcase ( which he opened and wrote something on a notepad inside )…that white thingie in his mouth is the pen he used and not a cigarette. Also, the coffee cup he has in his left hand as he followed me…was empty. He took it out of a bag and held it as if he had been to Starbucks. It was a ‘prop’. Notice the white haired customer behind him in the pic giving the guy a curious look too. πŸ™‚ This guy definitely wasn’t homeless or ‘crazy’ tho he seemed to try to appear as if he might be. The bags in his cart weren’t items he just bought…but his own clothes and leather jacket etc as he took them off…having the bags handy to put them in gave the appearance that he was a shopper. As I sat on a bench inside waiting for my son to pick out some new pajamas, this guy came up to me, within about 4 feet away and smiled and then sat on the next bench just down from me, glancing at me from time to time while ‘waiting’ for me to leave…then he got up and followed us out immediately as we left. ( that’s when he sat on another bench near my car in the parking lot staring at us…) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/92165e7b8731f79d5b0fb9d96f8d29d28ac43115f95cd20cfa81d7b12cd7031d.jpg
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/59f21a8a73e97d7c291dde83accdac47f546317c72f155f218f58657a6ca7a3b.jpg
    Hey OSA…if that’s you…you’re getting better at the game…but I still can spot you. This guy has a very nice smile and dimples btw…but I’m still not charmed.
    F5

    1st pic of him sitting ( no sunglasses )
    2nd pic of him after putting on sunglasses and following me out of the store. I took the pic of him when he wasn’t looking…as he was rt behind me. πŸ™‚

    • MarcabExpat

      Oh, geez. It’s like he’s playing Opposite Waldo.

      • FredEX2

        I know. He made himself more noticeable when he put on the sunglasses inside the store as he stood up to follow me. It was raining and dark & stormy outside and practically a hurricane…he’d have done better if he put on some fake reading glasses with clear lenses. The sunglasses were completely inappropriate for the weather ~which also gave him away.

        The weirdest part of all was when he just whipped off his jogging pants right in front of people leaving the store… as I was leaving…and had these tight jogging pants underneath that were mostly white with black…almost like leggings…the expensive sports kind. I was so stupified at that I didn’t get a picture…plus I’m always careful my son never sees me take a pic or notices.

        • MarcabExpat

          Couldn’t it be that the point was to make himself noticeable? “HEY… YOU… YEAH, I’M FOLLOWING YOU. YOU’RE BEING FOLLOWED, WOO HOO!”

          ‘Cause they do do that sort of thing, sometimes, don’t they?

          • KimP

            I think it could be a great example of the the Dunning-Kruger effect on display for everyone. That is simply a mindset incompetent individuals have where they have a tendency to grossly over estimate their ability.

          • FredEX2

            Yes. Each time Ive seen him…he has made a point to come up to me and look me in the eyes and smile. Then he follows me around. Last time was at the ‘Dollar Store’ this past week… and he got close and grinned at me once he saw I noticed him. Thought he was going to reach out and hug me or something…almost like he was greeting someone he knew.

            So yep, it defiantly seemed like he was playing with me like he was having fun and playing a game. I thought he was funny too & actually didn’t feel menaced…just laughed to myself. He was almost so theatrical I thought he was some eccentric goofball that might be a local…until I noticed all his ‘props’ and the blatant way he put on the sunglasses and changed his clothes without even being covert about it. I agree, he wanted me to see him.

    • Added to the gallery (at the bottom).

      Category:Private investigator

    • PickAnotherID

      Sounds like the typical $cientology, “We know where you live and what you do.”, style ‘noisy’ investigation. Next time call it in as a stalker and let him explain to the PD why he’s playing ‘quick change’ artist while he follows you around. Always good for a laugh.

      • FredEX2

        I might do that if I’m alone, but I never make a fuss if my son is with me. Basically I just laugh at these people anymore. I don’t see them around very often but when I do it seems to coincide with something big about Scientology coming out in the news. The day before Tony’s breaking story…I had posted that Entertainment Tonight had suddenly followed me on Twitter…( as they do with thousands of others BTW…so I’m not special lol ) but I had jokingly posted proof and wondered on the Bunker if I was mentioned in the news somewhere. They might have been concerned if I had talked to someone. They are far more paranoid than I am. LOL

        They’ve gone to great lengths for years to discredit me. They’ve also threatened me with things that could ‘happen’ if I talk…and said things outright that ‘no one will believe you anyway…your story would read like a novel…no one would be interested…it’s too crazy of a story…etc”…

        Then had Scientologists that I’ve known that they think I might communicate with…contact me and ask me out right who I’ve told my story to…and if I’ve ever talked to Tony or other key media resources…most recently I was contacted by a Scientologist who’s first words out of her mouth were ‘Have you been in contact with Leah Remini or Mike Rinder?’…then warning me that Scientology has been known to do ‘bad’ things…or ‘worse’…

        This is true.

        • PickAnotherID

          Sounds like you might want to carry around one of those ‘flash drive’ size digital recorders.

          • John Prince

            ..or a can of Pepper-spray

    • We should guard against paranoia – there are a lot of random weird people out there, and it’s possible to read too much into their behaviour. There again, this is Scientology, and it’s prudent to check.

      Having said that, I’ve been to a protest at the UK IAS event at Saint Hill Manor. On the way there, a number of people used ‘phones and tablets to ‘secretly’ take pictures of the participants.

      I found that I could walk right up to them with a big, obvious, SLR camera and return the compliment. They gave themselves away because they showed no reaction whatsoever. If someone walked up to me, and took my picture when I was checking my email, I would likely object. They affected not to even notice.

      I think that , in their head, they are super-competent Scientologists. When they are caught, they use their ability to withdraw into a dissociated state where the obvious becomes unreal and simply deny it’s happening. All those TRs and all that auditing enable them to ‘not be present’ when things don’t go to plan. As they are concerned, their mistakes didn’t happen.

      They were tasked with getting pictures. They got ’em. In their heads that made them brilliant undercover agents. In reality, they could not have been more obvious is they had worn a flashing beacon – but nobody is going to be able to persuade them of that obvious fact. They just don’t “see themselves as others see them”.

      If this guy is sent by the CofS, it’s possible that this guy is doing a ‘noisy investigation’ – but I think it more likely that he’s just deluded enough to think that he was utterly invisible.

      PS: you can buy pens with hidden cameras – the lens is in the end. he might have though that holding it in his mouth was a good way of taking a picture to verify he had followed orders (it isn’t… but see above).

      • FredEX2

        Once Born, I hear you. There are several reasons this guy may have been around yesterday. Not just their concern I’ll ‘talk’ and they may want to know with whom I hang around…but I found out yesterday that someone very close to me knows Danny Masterson…and confirmed Scientology is much more involved with that person and influencing them…more than I even suspected. πŸ™

    • Noesis

      Did he have a silencer in that shopping cart?

      • FredEX2

        LOL

  • For Danny Boy Masterson:

    Oh Danny Boy, The Lord Xenu’s pipes are calling
    From org to org you made the OT’s lie
    The 70’s are gone and your friend’s careers are falling
    It’s you, It’s you, not the WOGs who made it fly

    If it’s really true, then its ethics for you in the meadow
    You know when Leah releases a KR on you
    Leah’s latest escape Includes a tale of assault and rape
    Oh Danny Boy Oh Danny Boy
    I disconnect.

    I apologize to anyone who’s Irish.

    • ze moo

      You should apologize to anyone who can sing. I am not one of them.

    • joan nieman

      So clever and witty Pan!

  • A follow-up to a comment I saw posted here yesterday. Not only is Scientology singer Joy Villa of Grammy dress fame performing at the Gays for Trump Rally, she is a keynote speaker at the rally.

    https://twitter.com/IndieScieNews/status/837953710378663936

    • Kim O’Brien

      that cannot be real LOL….i am expecting millions .

      • It would be a wonderful opportunity for satire – if only activists could work out how to satirise something so inherently insane.

      • Scientology offered to do the counting.

        • Bleuler

          And take pictures showing the “thousands” in attendance.

    • Robert Eckert

      She can speak?

    • FredEX2

      Bizarre.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Well, today’s the big day for the tens of thousands of gay Twump supporters to hit the streets en masse and get loud and proud about their support for the Cheeto-in-chief…or is it?

      You don’t need to be an OaTy 10 to accurately predict that the actual number of gay Trumpists who turn out for the march, as a percentage of their total number, is going to be about as large as the percentage of hispanic voters who helped elect the Big Orange Menace.

  • Jack99

    Miscavige walked away from prosecution. As did Jan Eastgate. Possibly Masterson will manage to weasel himself out of this as well. But the truth is out there and the reputation of the church is forever ruined. No super bowl ads or sidewalk personality tests or Travolta saying it’s beautiful can change that.

    If I was invited to a wedding and had to choose between a scientologist or a Westboro baptist church member as a companion, I would go for the latter.

    • PickAnotherID

      If a competent PD ever gets around to interviewing the “witnesses”, they should be on the lookout for stories that are just variations on a theme. One of several indicators coaching has been going on. There are others a competent investigator would know, but I’m not going to mention them here.

      • Jack99

        Competent being the magical word.

        • PickAnotherID

          Exactly.

      • stillgrace2

        The Inch Wives Phenomenon.

  • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

    It was shocking when Tony mentioned to the radio hosts that Marty Singer was the lawyer, such a dramatic reaction to that info.

    Marty Singer.

    It’s so interesting to me to learn how the big players in life play, and the ramifications in our society of the lawyer class.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/22/business/22singer.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UuxjiHBYCk

  • Kim O’Brien

    i am listening to the podcast …and Jillian’s inner rage , i know she woke up pissed this morning .

    Leah is a fucking badass

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    It’s so nice to watch a new Surviving Scientology video. Karen knows so much about the technical side of Scientology and Jeffrey asks all the right questions. I see the light!

  • flyonthewall

    For once at least it’s not me waking up to being a social pariah

    • Rasha

      I think they get a bad rap, just for being efficient hunters.

      …wait, you said ‘piranha’? *re-reads* OH! Sorry. I meant they get a bad rap for being efficient rulers of ancient Egypt….

  • Mirnaminkoff

    I don’t know if this belongs here or in yesterday’s comments but reading recent coverage about Masterson I noticed a story from two weeks ago about his wife having kidney disease and needing dialysis. Sadly there was a bunch of hokey stuff about curing/helping her with new agey crap and vegan diets but it got me wondering if a few to many purification rundowns might have excerbated poor Bijou’s condition, because it clearly states that niacin can be very dangerous for people with kidney disease. You know the purification rundown would have been the first thing they had Bijou do and if she was having health problems they would have pushed it down her throat again as a cure. Even moderate doses of niacin are dangerous to people with kidney problems, I can only imagine what the insanely dangerous mega doses of Scientology prescribes during the PR could do to someone that might have a pre-existing condition. His wife’s need for a kidney transplant at age 37 might be directly caused by the CoS dangerous PR quackery.

    • chuckbeattyxquackologist75to03

      She maybe ought hire Marty Singer.

      Oh I forgot, not his type of justice.

      I wish Marty Singer would do some “pro bono” work for some of the abused ex Scientologists.

      Where are some pro bono lawyers who know how to beat Marty Singer, when Marty’s on the wrong side of morality?

      It’d be way better for this world for the best lawyers to be putting their “best” brains behind the right moral side of things. (What if Marty Singer took the Headley’s cases pro bono, I bet things would have been different.)

      Marty’s talk is very illuminating how clearly he lays things out.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UuxjiHBYCk

    • Harpoona Frittata

      The very clear and medically well-established health risks of taking mega overdoses of niacin need to be better publicized and understood by everyone before they begin this quack treatment that’s being promoted and sold as a means of purifying the body from accumulated toxins and drugs, supposedly leaving your thetan all bright and shiny.

      Trouble is, some vitamins, minerals and nutritional supplements can themselves act as toxins when taken in amounts that are much higher than recommended. Vitamin B3, or Niacin, is one of them and a very cursory check of the internet is all one need do in order to begin to understand its health benefits, as well as its side effects and health risks. Apparently, super gullible $cilons never do that kind of self-education, but instead, put their own health safety in the hands of an individual with no medical background who came up with the Purification Rundown based on absolutely no medical research studies or professional background in any related field. And the individuals who are in charge of overseeing it on an ongoing, individual basis are not required to be medically qualified or informed at even the most basic levels of understanding either.

      Worse still, when folks doing the Purif have experienced side effects and negative health consequences, instead of making them known publicly and seeking to understand which aspect(s) of this quack folk remedy are involved then correcting the problems, the cherch buries these negative accounts and places blame for them on the individual, instead of looking at the treatment itself as the possible cause of the negative outcomes. This is the cherch’s standard M.O. in every case and with every auditing procedure: If you feel better and experienced “wins” in your auditing, then it’s all the result of the miraculous Tech; but any experienced problems or lack of promised gains are always attributed to the individual, who’s PTS or out ethics or harboring evil intent or full of O/W’s or…the list goes on.

      Like the bogus products of snake oil salesmen from a bygone era, this quack remedy is being sold by folks whose only concern is making money off the gullible by hyping the positive results experienced by those who’ve undertaken this bizarre “cure,” while completely ignoring the very real possibility that negative outcomes result from doing the Purif exactly as “prescribed” by Elron himself.

      $cn is dangerous in any form that it’s practiced on its victims, but Elron’s quack remedies, such as the Purif and the infamous barley-based baby formula, are particularly dangerous to the physical health of those unlucky enough to subject themselves and their children to them.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    The Lying Lies Down With The Clam

    The collective clamnesia from which Lord Hubris saves us all through
    his wonderful $ciency tech undoes the clampdown of engrams we have
    all been clamouring to undo.
    The clamminess of clamentations is removed in a wondrous clambake.
    Now can we clamber up the Bridge to the Front Porch of Infinity and the
    Donkey Punch Pavilion of Mom Jeans
    And if you don’t like it, f$&k you.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8455f23c126342546d9f3e5c3784d9e999a141422108eb66aa0664d512484f12.jpg

    • John Prince

      Pan the Man! You haven’t lost Your Touch !

    • ExCult.Jan

      Clamfabulous!

    • Bleuler

      Shame we psychs get such a small title, all the way down there. No credit for our busywork with implanting! Do you have any idea how much stress it is to run an implant station in between our busy work of drugging people to control their minds and finding place for all the gold bullion Eli Lilly sends us?

    • Observer

      Of course Hubs had to put himself above artists, because he wanted desperately to be one but lacked any discernible artistic talent in any area whatsoever. Observe his joy in creating:

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4d4ac2bc27a2345f46410d3cb85b21362206f9c0e1d88934d7d7f50081961c49.jpg

      • …and the expressions on the faces of the happy, fulfilled artists with him. The terrible thing is that might have been the most cheerful shot the photographer managed to take.

        • Observer

          How I picture the scene…boodlyboodlyboodlyboodly (flashback sound effect)

          It’s 2:30 a.m., 18 hours into the session. Source was cheerful enough at the beginning, but as the day wore on and the incipient Homo Novi (in other words, still inferior Homo Saps) around him were unable to capture his transcendent musical vision, he grew concerned, yet expressed it in a gentle, affectionate way as was his wont. As their incompetence reduced his reserves of loving patience, he became righteously annoyed, then benevolently fractious. Still somehow they failed, despite direct, explicit and generous guidance from the Red-Headed Buddha.

          Now, after hours upon hours of unremitting flubs and escalation of his pure, holy fury, Mankind’s Greatest Friend, yet unwilling to give up on the acolytes about whom he cares so much, is reduced to a quivering heap of exhausted mercy. Still he perseveres. O! The divine devotion of such a Being! See how he humbles himself!

          At this low, terrible point in the Passion of the Source, a movement catches his eye: the photographer, with whom the Commodore entrusted one of his own treasured cameras to document this sublime process of creation. The shutter clicks, as does something in the thetan three feet back of the head of the Conqueror of the Ring of Fire: the photographer is PTS!

          The shutter clicks; the Divine Eyes flash; the photographer’s meat sack falls lifeless to the ground, the thetan forcibly exteriorized by the compassionate Power of Source.

          The End.

      • joan nieman

        He looks like a Zeke. That is all.

    • grundoon

      “Shit rolls downhill,” Scientology edition

    • MarcabExpat

      Wait What

  • OT: This is too funny. Trump got the Terminator attention. Now there will be only One! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2b076ea9ad2a8418b108dabd969c78a66e74d4d54bfb0dc9a1d48dc9828f19b9.png

    • For Rump the presidency is a part-time job.

      • ze moo

        He is again in Florida. Does he get every weekend off?

        • beauty for ashes

          I thought I saw an orange wind!

      • How was it now? ohh yeah – Like having the Terminator breathing down your neck! Good luck Donald and stay away from that button!

        • Rodger Dodger

          uh-oh… now Obama bugged his building. This guy is making it waaaaaaay too easy for SNL writers.

          • LHS (Nasty Woman)

            That’s got to be a joke. *checks Google News* Oh no.

            https://i.imgflip.com/7yb49.jpg

          • PickAnotherID

            What kind of bug, roaches or bed bugs??

        • Countdown to April, when I predicted he will be carried off on a stretcher to a rubber room.
          Tweets this morning on “The Apprentice”, Obama wiretapping Rump Tower, and that the Russian Ambassador visited the White House 22 times!

          • Observer

            Obama is the new Putin…oh, wait…Putin good. Putin friend.

            • You know when he just been on Twitter then his sentences is Max 140 characters long!

    • EDN/laineybin

      Isn’t he supposed to be running a country???

    • ze moo

      Donny is dyslectic. He meant to say ‘sad show to a great end’.

  • Simi Valley

    Still thinking about DJ Donkey Punch and how the cherch is gonna throw him under the bus for getting its holy name involved in his little scandal. He ain’t no TC on the cha-ching side of things (and even TC will get thrown under the bus eventually despite the serious millions he has thrown at the cult).

    • beauty for ashes

      Simi~ one time you were posting about a chia pudding you made, and I swore I was going to make one. Now every time I see you post, I think I forgot to buy that stuff again! πŸ˜‰ You know, there’s always those projects you haven’t got around to yet! Anyway you did inspire me!

      • Simi Valley

        Maybe it’s just as well … I decided I don’t like the taste of chia seeds that much. I’m gonna try it with golden flaxseed (I wouldn’t use brown flaxseed for this – it has too strong of a taste for chocolate).

        • beauty for ashes

          Whew! I feel better. Now I never have to make it! I do want to make an Indian rice pudding now, which is more milky.

  • ze moo

    Danny Masterson has put the CO$ in a very bad place. The CO$ has covered up past rapes and used its influence to silence victims and witnesses. Subordination of Perjury is a very serious matter, if any law enforcement agency will take the case.

    The CO$ now has its own ‘sunk cost’ problem to consider. Do a web search on the name danny masteson. The top returns show the rape allegations and a lot of outlets are talking about it and the $cieno connection. This ‘problem’ is not going to go away. Now, does the clampire run away or double down? So far the only ‘reply’ to the allegations come from Danny boy, who blames Leah Remini.

    “Masterson and his team have said the claims are false and that they were
    motivated in part by actress Leah Remini and her show about
    Scientology.”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/danny-masterson-denies-women-sexual-assault-allegations-article-1.2988346

    Ok, it is the NY Daily News, but they did get a reply from the ‘Masterson Team’.

    The usual modus operandi is to double down and obfuscate and trot out some smoke and mirrors. But the ball is not in their court. It is in law enforcement’s court.

    I’ll let you know if they get back to us. Ok, TonyO will get back to us, no one gets back to a bull with a tin foil hat.

    • Bleuler

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3beeb1ba124ea982cc4bccb8dbf9a1b735915314f61eac942c31fe7e2fe815c2.jpg My guess is that they double down. Too much for them to loose so they will use ample resources to defend against this.

      • SarahDB

        Is that the yucky KFC sandwich with fried chicken as the bun? Looks like cheese and bacon as well, heart-attack!

        • Bleuler

          Yes, the KFC Double Down “sandwich”.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            GIMME GIMME GIMME!!! Heart attack, schmeart attack – I’d rather die from KFC than most any other cause.

            • SarahDB

              I DO admit to liking their fried chicken but this sandwich is just over the top, all the things wrong with American processed foods in one “sandwich”!

            • PickAnotherID

              Yum!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              If that stack of juicyness is wrong, then I don’t want to be right.

              I live in Norway, btw, and we don’t have KFC here. We have very few other fast-food chains as well. I only eat fast food maybe twice per month, so over all I would have no problems handling a burger like the one pictured, without the need for medical care afterwards.

            • John Prince

              Thank You Johnny, for defending the “double-down”..I tried one last week ;impeccable ,a Carnevour’s delight!
              (Happy to See Everyone’s still all over Tony’s Exclusive from Yesterday, there WILL be reprocussions 🎻)

        • EDN/laineybin

          Thanks for asking…I couldn’t figure it out either! And yucky doesn’t even begin to cover it. It’s almost too gross for words.

          • ze moo

            You have 3 kinds of fat there. Dairy, processed meat, and chicken fat. What’s not to like?

            At least their sandwich is not a mystery.

            • EDN/laineybin

              Well you’re right – there’s no mystery about what’s in it, but even in my meat eating days, which granted was 38 years ago, this would have made no sense to me. I realize this may be WHY I’m a V-head!!

            • ze moo

              I forgot the Lard. Another fat. Vegan’s have health problems too, and your veggies may be awash in pesticides and other nasty chemicals.

              Only Lron can hear a tomato scream. Or make a tomato scream. F5

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aa2a529e0f03a0f19e7b7aaf12f82053b853bce9958b7c7902586dd0bbab2087.jpg

            • Robert Eckert

              Another poster pointed out that the e-meter is facing the tomato. Our interpretation that LRH is auditing a tomato is incorrect: the tomato is auditing LRH!

            • Observer

              That is so brilliant!

            • beauty for ashes

              “Well Tomato, what do YOU have to say about ME?”

            • EDN/laineybin

              Not advocating being a vegan to anyone, just expressing that even when I did eat meat, this would not appeal to me at all…obviously, it appeals to a lot of others.

      • And dirty tricks.

    • EDN/laineybin

      Danny Masterson didn’t put the CO$ in a very bad place, they did it to themselves. Decent people would have called in the police and let the justice system take its course. No one would have blamed them for having a member that behaved like that, criminals come from every denomination, agnostics and atheists.

      This cover-up, much like the Catholic Church and its behavior of protecting criminal clergy, is solely down to themselves.

      • Rasha

        I agree that Masterson did not put Scientology in a bad place – he is simply an expression of where and what they already are, for the outside world to see. Like a huge cyst, for example, that shows what’s really inside.

        • chukicita

          Thanks for tha image, I no longer need breakfast.

          • Rasha

            Tell me about it. I had to imagine it…..

    • chukicita

      Nice plug for Leah’s show!

  • Mick Roberts

    First of all, that was a helluva day yesterday. To any new readers, welcome! I’m fairly new myself. This subject of Scientology is absolutely fascinating, and Tony does an excellent job here keeping us updated and providing more in-depth information. And the commenters here, both former Scientologists and long-time never-ins, do a great job answering any questions we have or clarifications we may need.

    As to the topic of the day (and forgive me for not being able to hear the video yet, will listen later, but it may answer my question)…..

    “….when you die, you report to an β€˜implant station’ to get further zapped with more Implant Commands…”

    Just so I understand, you’re telling me that the overall goal of Scientology is to “clear the planet”, yet when we die, we get even more implants and return back to Earth as an “unclear” person, and have to spend our life and money going Clear all over again, only to die and get more implants and return unclear…….and round and round we go.

    So to ask this in a simple way……how the hell do they think that “clearing the planet” (having every single person Clear at one time) is even possible if we just get all that progress erased (thanks to the implants on Mars and Venus or whatever) after death before our next life?

    • PickAnotherID

      You’ll soon learn, with $cientologists logical fallicies are a way of life.

    • George Layton

      It’s part of what they sell, scientology can teach you the way out of the cycle, and all the flavors play on it, knowledgeism, ron’s org, spiritual rescue technology. You have to learn a separate reality to play the scientology game.

    • ze moo

      By spending huge amounts of money and much of your life learning Lron’s wit and wisdom you can avoid the implant stations and return to a new meat body with your memories intact. That no one has ever demonstrated perfect knowledge of that previous life, is the ‘false purpose’ that Lron is still trying to sell you.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Great video by Karen and Jeffrey!
    Scientologists who see the LIGHT, walk out or escape.
    I didn’t learn about the Between Lives Implants till after I left Scientology. If someone had told me about them,
    I wouldn’t have believed it and would have considered it verbal tech, which was forbidden.
    I might still believe poems set to music. Here’s a heart warming voice:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zzisT_eYWQ&list=LLalFrFxLOarw4pLrdxPdCkg&index=1

    • chukicita

      Verbal tech rule is really handy, isn’t it?

  • Mick Roberts

    One more comment about yesterday’s article. 2,233 comments and 515 recs on TO’s article yesterday. Great article Tony, and it was well worth the wait since you gave us that “teaser” at the beginning of the week that something big was coming.

    It was great watching the news spread around, both domestically (in the US) and internationally. Hey CoS, how’s THAT for “global dissemination” of information? Only took less than 24 hours too…..not 6+ decades.

    • Observer

      And Tony didn’t have to buy the coverage!

    • John Prince

      You like rubbin’ it in,don’tcha? Let me buy ya’ a Drink 🍻

    • flyonthewall

      the highlight in the comments for me was when the cult showed up with their sock to dox the rape victim, not once but twice!

      that and the donkey punching jokes

      • Mick Roberts

        Yeah, I’ll never look at a donkey the same….ever again…

      • SarahDB

        when did the Co$ show up? Are all their posts deleted by now as usual?

        • flyonthewall

          Once in the mid-afternoon and evening. It was deleted by Tony very quickly. Brand new account, no comments and privacy settings up. They posted her name both times and linked to her twitter 1x, which had a pic of her.

          • SarahDB

            pretty lame

            • flyonthewall

              pretty gross. A “church” outing a rape victim

            • SarahDB

              yes, you are right, but I’m not surprised

            • Observer

              Outing a rape victim to protect the scumbag who raped her.

            • Mick Roberts

              And very shitty too. Not cool to identify the victims

            • SarahDB

              agreed

            • Observer

              I’d go with depraved and evil.

            • joan nieman

              Absolutely depraved and evil Obs. Makes me sick.

          • Observer

            Who wouldn’t want to be a Scientologist, knowing that they could receive the same treatment when they inevitably fall out of favor?

            ETA: my raging fury of yesterday has mellowed into raging snarkiness.

            ETA2: I am still sickened and outraged though. I don’t see that going away anytime soon.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I saw the second one and it was gone by the time I tried to post a reply. Tony was on top of things.

          • ExCult.Jan

            I often wonder how the hell Tony can monitor The Bunker, investigate leads, write amazing stories, travel, followup on previous stories, network, keep a busy Twitter feed going, oh and write a book then record an audi-book, eat, hang out in Irish bars, watch videos, do guest spots on radio and TV programs, keep his beard groomed, and sleep. Have I left anything out?

            • Robert Eckert

              And take care of the kitty cats

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              The cats. Though they may pretty much take care of themselves.

            • John Prince

              Teach his Cats to dance to Steely Dan (Bodhisattva)

      • Robert Eckert

        I enjoyed the other cult socks too. There was the Laura Prepon fan so angry that Tony said the name Laura Prepon and warning us that if we said Laura Prepon, that would be slandering Laura Prepon. And then there was the good Christian lady who was so concerned about sluts pulling it in by choosing abusive relationships.

  • PickAnotherID

    The Danny boy story has showed up on ‘Google News’, and looky what’s at the bottom of the list of stories:

    Most Referenced: LAPD Probing Scientology and Danny Masterson for Multiple Rapes, Cover-up – The Underground Bunker

    I think DM will be ordering another truck load of booze about now.

  • Sherbet

    Karen and Jeffrey’s video on implants: lrh was insane. Completely.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Circus Implants??
    Well, Scientology IS a Barnum and Bailey world:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-xz5r9uYZo

  • Sherbet

    I thought Masterson would have issued a statement by now, saying, “These allegations are indeed serious, and I intend to cooperate with the LAPD in their investigation.”

    Hahaha. How funny. Nope, Masterson teamed with his official clam spokesperson and came out swinging at the victims and Leah Remini. Very predictable.

    • flyonthewall

      the same spokesperson who brought the victim to the party where Danny raped her. That has to be a first

      • John Prince

        The Same spokesperson who later discredited the second Victim in the Police report as a “witness” (after providing her Boss with some fresh you-know-what )

    • Observer

      And the strategy, as always, makes Scientology look so credible and benevolent.

      • Sherbet

        Oh, definitely. Makes me want to contribute to the Danny Masterson Defense Fund immediately.

        • Observer

          You only want to contribute? Piker! I want to join! Just imagine the shoops I could do about this place!

          • daisy

            lol

  • Roger Hornaday

    Danny Masterson’s rep says these allegations are lies facilitated by Leah Remini for the purpose of advancing her anti-scientology TV show. If we think it through that would mean Leah has somehow convinced three women to commit perjury, bearing false witness, so as to ruin an innocent man’s life and career in order to advance a now completed mini-series. Let’s apply Occam’s Razor here. Which story is supported by common sense?

    • As we say on Twitter “Fuck Danny Masterson”

    • Observer

      Funny how her show was a rip-roaring success months before yesterday’s story.

    • Mick Roberts

      If she wanted to use these women to advance her show, why didn’t she and Mike exploit this situation during season 1? Or wait until season 2? As Tony said yesterday (I think on the KABC radio show), Leah told him that “stories are good and all, but I want people to take action”. Leah’s mission isn’t about money (does anyone think she even needs money?), it’s about helping people. The church on the other hand…..vice versa…..

    • Mick Roberts

      And keep in mind, Tony broke this story, not Leah. It needed to be exposed, but Leah never once mentioned this Danny Masterson situation to my knowledge.

    • mirele

      Is this the same rep who was a witness to one of the incidents?

      • Hermesacat

        Unfortunately, he’s likely one of the witnesses described by Tony thusly:
        QUOTE: “One of those women, Victim B, had filed a report with the LAPD
        in 2004 after her rape had occurred in 2003. But that
        investigation was closed when witnesses β€” who were Scientologists β€”
        contradicted the victim’s testimony” — rather than being the witness who attended the same house party who spoke to Tony and reported seeing Victim B in a distressed state whom he heard say: “β€˜Oh my God, Danny just raped me.”

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      I would like to thank Danny for bringing a lot more attention to Leah’s show, by trying to blame her for bringing attention to her show. No doubt there will be many many people who are now curious to watch Aftermath because of Danny accusing Leah of being more involved than she was.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Streisand effect – that’s what I was going to say.

        • It’s a shame because Scientology worked so hard for that.

          If the Tom Cruise video had been released a couple years sooner, it would have been the Scientology Effect. They wuz robbed!

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Don’t expect me to shed any tears. Let’s save “The Scientology Effect” for something more worthwhile.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          The $cientology Effect = 47x the Streisand Effect!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      You seem to be implying we should use the evil “L” word here, but you know full well logic is not welcome in $cn, so report to ethics for regrooving NOW!

      • ze moo

        ‘Regroving’?? Are you a Firesign Theater devotee?

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Yes, indeed!

          • Ann B Watson

            I have loved Firesign Theatre since I first heard them on Oz Radio years and years ago.Have all they ever did. Hubby cannot listen for more than a minute without headaches. Me I still roll on the floor laughing. I miss the group now that some are departed. Good memories of laughter during high school,with Don’t Crush That Dwarf Hand Me the Pliers! πŸ’›β€οΈ

    • Qbird

      People are talking to Leah & Mike… they connected some dots.
      3 women, independant of each other, told her what happened to them.
      She advised, “Make a police report. Dooo eet!”
      They did. That’s what happened.
      Yeah, it DOES have something to do with her docu-series… they found their strength & their voices bc she proved that there are others who are willing to speak out too.
      my take on it.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Not only to commit perjury, but to paint themselves as victims of rape / sodomy. If we think that pice through, the only reason they would do that would be if it were true.

  • Roger Y

    You know, I love Karen, but this is some seriously wacky shit. Years of listening to the Co$’s wacky beliefs, they still have the ability to astound me with their bs beliefs.

    • Roger Hornaday

      Karen is just the messenger. The question I’d love to ask the sci-fi-dollargists is, “WHY do you believe this stuff Hubbard said about implants? Nobody else corroborates that stuff so there has to be a reason why you believe it.” I say the reason is strictly egotistical. People like to think they are special by possessing knowledge only the very few possess. That’s all it is. They believe because they want to be special. Not because the belief answers any questions that would otherwise be go unexplained.

      • ExCult.Jan

        sci-fi-dollargists

    • They keep going round and round.
      http://sk.nvg.org/cos/speeches/Helicopt.mp3

      • Qbird

        ah geez. in his own words, the cray cray.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    It was, indeed, a wild and woolly day yesterday. I am only sorry I didn’t do side-by-side frames grabs of the web searches I did on “Danny Masterson” first thing in the morning and by the end of the day. The appeal of a compelling story combined with the ability of the internet to react is a powerful thing indeed.

    What a contrast with the stated goals of the Church of Scientology, who claims to have an infallible “Tech” to manage their own publicity, along with a state-of-the-art facility in Hollywood. Scientology Media Productions has been such a failure at its stated mission. In his dedicatory speech, David Miscavige spoke of controlling their own message via every available modern channel of communication. Another empty promise from an empty organization cloaking itself in religious freedom.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e7f5478a180ddc265e4047e72dfa02e8348b94ed8107020b430d87056ee5d1f2.jpg

    • And so far we got STAAD… with a Hate site and a Twitter account! Now that is Global Expansion.
      Maybe they will paint this palm tree White?

      • Ann B Watson

        Love your comment Dice. I go for a black painted palm tree.Matches the Cult’s heart.πŸ–€

  • mirele

    As a mental health consumer, I believe I can give a particular perspective on the idea of PDH at the shrink’s office. I think Scientologists have this idea that psychiatry involves people lying on a couch and the psychiatrist leading them through stuff in an 50 minute session. I’ve been seeing psychiatrists for 25+ years and I can tell you I have never had a 50 minute session and have never laid or sat on a couch. Fifty minute sessions are apparently for rich people who are not reliant on insurance. I personally suspect Hubbard got his ideas about psychiatry from 1950s television.

    What I have every two months or so is a 15 minute session sitting at a chair in front of the psychiatrist’s desk, where the guy asks me how everything is going and writes me a few prescriptions. That’s all my insurance will pay for. There’s not even a chance for hypnosis. In other words, the reality is banal compared to what Scientologists think is actually happening.

    • ze moo

      As you know, Psychiatrists don’t have the time to do talk therapy any more. Their time is better spent on writing those big pharma prescriptions and supervising treatment plans that psychologists and social workers run.

      • Roger Hornaday

        Indeed. One of the things I hate about scientology is how they force me to be on the side of psychiatry and big pharma in order to oppose it. Still, psychiatry is treating people rather successfully who scientology won’t touch yet scientology criticizes them.

        • gtsix

          Wait… whut? How does this force work?

        • mirele

          You’ve got it. There’s no way Scientology would touch me (chronic major depression) or my mother (paranoid schizophrenia), yet evil psych drugz help us to have normal lives. This does not make me blind to the abuses of psychiatry, but like everything in this world, there’s good and bad to it.

      • mirele

        Well, I don’t know if they are “big pharma” prescriptions, considering that everything I take is generic. I pay far, far more for the name brand diabetes and acid reflux drugs ($150 each every three months) than I do for my evil psych drugz. (And yes, I do have all these problems. But I get up and work every day and do other stuff besides, thanks to the miracle of modern pharmacology.)

      • Psychiatrists are MDs who prescribe and diagnose based on notes from psychotherapists. Sometimes you’ll find one that does actual talk therapy, but as Mirele said, it’s very expensive and insurance doesn’t cover it. I did five years of talk therapy with a therapist and it was instrumental in helping me move past the experience of being in a relationship with a Borderline for a decade. I asked for drugs and the therapist and his consulting Psychiatrist were all “pfftt, you don’t need drugs, keep talking.” So my experience wasn’t one of the proverbial “Callous Docs in thrall to Big Pharma getting me hooked on drugs.” That said, I know many people who reclaimed their lives thanks to drug therapy for depression and bipolar disease.

        Better Living Through Chemicals (because that’s what life is made of).

        • ze moo

          I spent 32 years working for the NY mental health system. Our ‘usual customers’ were those who had ‘entry level’ mental health issues like depression. They were handled in an outpatient setting and may not have had drugs, but did get talk therapy.

          Our usual inpatients are people who have severe problems and who couldn’t or wouldn’t stay on their meds. I have seen patients totally turn around their lives and become functioning members of society. And just as many who use the hospitals as revolving doors because they never acquired ‘insight’ into their problems.

          Some ‘problems’ don’t go away. Bipolars and schizophrenics always need the drugs and they need to keep on them. That is tough thing to do, the side effects of some of the drugs are not to be sneezed at.

          Those who work through their problems and keep on their meds have my respect. I just wish that big pharma could cure everything.

          • James Morris

            I wish big pharma WOULD cure everything…and at cost. Mental health, and medicine, really ought to be nonprofit endeavors!

            • ze moo

              No one would fund drug research or research in general if the profit motive were removed. Most patients in the NYS mental health system pay nothing or near nothing for their services. The drugs can also be free. Free to them, the taxpayers pay for most of the work we do. We as in , I am retired now and not pushing electrons through the work computers any more.

      • Sherbet

        Don’t forget that the CCHR says the psychs have time for ECT and lobotomies, whereby they stick unsuspecting patients with needles and electrodes to turn them into drooling zombies. Why? Well, those evil psychs have their reasons!

        • gtsix

          It’s an ancient farsecian secret.

    • PeaceMaker

      mirele, yes, Hubbard’s and Scientology’s ideas of psychiatry are based on the 1950s – and even then they were distortions.
      Freudian analysis with long sessions on a couch was in vogue and much talked about, though even then mostly limited to those who could afford it – a high-cost model that Scientology itself eventually adopted. It was largely an exercise in feel-good introspection that produced profound-seeming realizations about one’s early life, but turned out to provide little actual benefit – just like Dianetics and Scientology auditing.
      And lobotomies, one of things that Hubbard and his followers go on about, were never really even common and only a few thousand a year were ever performed. They had been a sort of medical fad in the later 1940s, spurred on by one particular doctor who performed large numbers of them, but by the time that Hubbard wrote about it the operation was in steep decline due to a combination of professional skepticism about the benefits and effects, and bad publicity.

  • What a ride the Masterson story is having. Congrats on breaking that story, Sir!

    As for today’s wonderful video from the irrepressible Ms. de la C, I love the Goals and Implants! They comprise, for me, the most fascinating part of Hubbard’s goofy canon. On the surface they might as well be the drug-fueled, nonsensical ravings of a street addict on Hollywood Boulevard. But I think that the disjointed, truncated, dreamlike sequence of events in the Goals and Implants matches some of the cray-cray in his other books, and I believe it was intentional. Like other charlatans and gurus throughout history, I think Hubbs believed that if he wrote/spoke disorienting nonsense with authority, that his followers would drive themselves a bit nuts trying to make sense of things like Incident One, The Pilot, and The Gorilla Goals. After all, they’d think, “Source must know what he’s talking about, right? I’m just too ignorant to get it.” Then the budding Scientologist’s desire to please their newfound compatriots would cause their confirmation bias to kick in, and they’d start to force their rational mind into all kinds of contortions to make this bizarre information fit into her reality.

    I know the drill. I did it a lot back in my New Age days. And like my own experience with trying to make magical thinking work, there are limits to what even the most dyed in the wool Scientologist will accept. We’ve heard a quite a few hilarious stories about people finally reaching OTIII and the reactions that vary from “WTF!? Is this an insanity test?” to “Okay, I’m not getting something, I have to work harder,” to “Well, I’ll just ignore this and move on, maybe I’ll get it later.”

    Of course, this kind of nonsense can backfire and it can be the thing that finally makes people wake up and say, “this is bullshit!” We can only hope.

    Okay, don’t get into too much trouble today, alright? Butch and I are headed for the carnivorous plant nursery for a rainy Saturday adventure. See you later Bunkeristas!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Carnivorous plants? When did you arrive in Clearwater?

      • California Carnivores is all kinds of tropical awesome . . . in a greenhouse.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          A friend just told me that someone is building a “Butterfly Palladium” in Buena Park. That might lure me back down to Orange County.

    • Mick Roberts

      “Confirmation bias” and “desire to please their friends”. Pretty well sums up the question of “how can anyone believe this wacky Scientology stuff”? Great comment Artoo45.

      However, before we start laughing too much (as I have been guilty of myself) at people who fall into this trap in Scientology (remember, some of our current anti-Scientology Crusader “heroes” were once in this mindset), I believe we must keep in mind that we are all susceptible to it (just watch any political or religious debate on social media). Knowing that we are also susceptible to this same mental “trap” can help us guard against the temptation to “conform” despite any lack of logic and reason in our own “beliefs”.

      • I believe I alluded to my own dalliance with magical thinking, and confirmation bias never leaves you. It’s part of our evolutionary hard-wiring. A critical thinker knows that they will always have to be vigilant for its influence for life.

    • Ann B Watson

      Absolutely Priceless,Artoo. Have a wonderful Sat hunting for plants in the rain. When I lived in Tallahassee Fla, I always ended up at these plant places in the rain. Actually less people and more plants, even though I have zero green thumb,hubby does. ❀️

      • Just got back from the nurseries and lunch. It held off on heavy rain until just as we pulled into the driveway and now it’s pouring. Snagged some cool mosses, two tilanzias (Spanish moss relative’s) and a couple of carnivorous drosera.

        • Ann B Watson

          I love mosses and Spanish moss and all the relatives, but is the last plant like a Venus fly trap? Except for roses and birds of paradise and some orchids I am terrible with plant names. Your choices sound lovely for a garden. πŸ’—

        • Ann B Watson

          I love mosses and all the relatives of Spanish moss, but is the last plant a Venus fly trap? Except for roses birds of paradise and some orchids, I am terrible with plant names. Your choices sound lovely for your garden Artoo45. ❀️

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    And in Joy Villa news: Anyone in DC who can send us an on-the-ground report? Scientology’s own bargain-bin Lady Gaga is headlining a “Gays4Trump” rally that is scheduled to begin at noon at the Washington Monument, followed by a march up 17th Street to the White House. I have been searching in vain for media coverage of this doubtless massive outpouring of popular support for Joy and her recent turn to the alt-right. There are also supposed to be rallies in Virginia Beach, Va.; Raleigh, N.C.; Las Vegas and Reno, Nev.; Berkley, Calif.; and New York City. Any news? I anxiously await coverage of Scientology’s latest straight-up-and-vertical triumph in shaping popular media.

    (I wanted to attach an image to this, but so far, nada. Even on “Princess” Joy’s own Twitter account.)

    • Sherbet

      She may as well milk that 15 minutes of fame before the clock runs out.

      • There was no mention of this a the last Gay Agendaβ„’ plenary meeting. Butch and I have other plans and will miss the Berkeley March. I hope both of the marchers brought umbrellas.

        • Sherbet

          “Both of the marchers…” Funny!!

        • gtsix

          I am utterly distraught at my lack of invitation. I could have heard the words (and song!?!) of grammy-considered Joy Villa.

          How was this not on the agenda? We could have lopped 5 minutes off the “how to tap dance in heels and overalls while plotting the destruction of straight marriages” discussion. We’ve talked that issue to death.

          • IKR? We don’t have room for one more formerly straight husband in our house. Not only are their constant demands for sexual favors exhausting, but they eat like Clydesdales! We’ve been through every marriage on our street and, while the men inevitably find us irresistible, I just feel terrible for the Lesbians next door, who had to get rid of their hounds in order to house more freshly minted sapphists. At least we moved up to Double-Diamond Fucking Fabulous Status for our last ruined marriage. Breville Toaster Oven!!!!
            On another subject do you know what happens to their kids? Butch says they go all Lord of the Flies, I think they live on peanut butter and PlayStation and move on once the power gets turned off. Oh well, whatevs.

            • gtsix

              (Dying laughing).

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            “how to tap dance in heels and overalls while plotting the destruction of straight marriages”

            I KNEW IT ALL ALONG!

      • ze moo

        That clock never had batteries or was never turned on.

  • A few weeks ago I was asked by a Scientology auditor, who is also an OT8, if I had been PDH’d by a psychiatrist or a dentist, and did I have any gaps in memory coming out of a dentist’s office. This was their Hubbard style paranoia as to why I am criticizing Scientology. They can never see that it might be something they are doing wrong and there must be a this lifetime implant to explain it.

    • gtsix

      But Mr. Dad Jokes, maybe the pdh implanters have gotten so good they no longer leave any memory gaps?

      Ever think about that? Yeah, neither did Hubbard.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Tell them the gaps are in your wallet and family relationships.

    • mirele

      Karen dela Carriere mentioned this at the beginning of her video. I kept wondering, what is this PDH at the dentist’s office? The guy I go to doesn’t use gas and yeah, having to get a shot into the nerve to deaden it is a PITA, but at least I can drive myself home.

    • Sherbet

      Didn’t Hubs say he got a revelation about…something…during a dental visit? So, in typical lrh style, he concluded that dentists’ procedures are dangerous, and they may coax out visions and spiritual manifestations that the unenlightened human mind may not be ready for. Of course, HE was ready and sufficiently enlightened to interpret whatever his dentist induced, but the rest of us must tread carefully. We could end up with a nasty engram or PDH experience. Bad, bad dentists.

      • SURVIVE!

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I hate going to the dentist, but I still do it, because I want my teeth to last until I die. I’ve never noticed any of my dentists having horns or a tail, or trying to sacrifice me to Cthulu. Strange how people percieve things in different ways.

        • Sherbet

          There’s the normal way, and there’s the lrh way.

        • Ann B Watson

          πŸ’›β€οΈ

        • John Prince

          Next time You go, tell Your Dentist to turn up the Nitrous Oxide some! You might start hallucinating a bit too πŸš€

          • beauty for ashes

            that sounds terrifying! probably because I have one of the most vivid imaginations already!

            • John Prince

              You mean You never had “laughing-gas”at the Dentist’s ?
              (say it ain’t so. .)

            • beauty for ashes

              Tis true! only novocaine!

            • John Prince

              Sounds almost like You missed out a bit, back in the good ol’ days I’ve been to Parties where there was a big Tank of no2 and everyone running around with Balloons in their Hands, talking funny and laughing their asses offπŸ˜‚πŸ˜πŸ˜…

      • Robert Eckert

        He wrote his early book “Excalibur” after hallucinating at the dentist’s office.

        • Sherbet

          That was it. Thanks, Robert.

        • Ann B Watson

          Excalibur. A Sea Org morning bedtime story my first year in because I worked the night watch, was that in a vault in London was this truly astounding manuscript that Old Ron wrote in I want to say 38, great genius and being that he was wink! Anyway the story went on with the fact if a Scientologist saw this before they should, madness and death would follow. The book was Excalibur. All very in the 1929s it seemed the way the scene was set. Young Indiana Jones around the embers was the feeling I had hearing this. Of course Excalibur the ship was not as the book, and I scraped enough blue dust in the sun on her to choke, but I also learned to follow command-control orders faithfully until my faith was smashed and I got out four years on. Thank you Robert. πŸ’›

    • Ann B Watson

      Phil, isn’t this whole Scam disgusting now. What is done to you & Willie so so wrong and bad. I mean I have had so much teeth work done because all my teeth were so rotten after Sea Org, of course I have gaps in memory about my dentist, going in and coming out. Lifetime Implants what a horrible future to have to keep going back lifetime after lifetime to run them out. What a hell. I send you both all Love, to two more Heroes. πŸ’›

    • Qbird

      Sid, how do they feel about that – those implants always being struck into them between lives? Doesn’t it bum them out to know with certainty that these implants will happen to them again & again, over & over, every single lifetime (they will forget their training)!

    • They are just trying to Restimulate you. Too bad this idea only works inside the Cult. Booh!
      Same with Training Routines and everything else. Only inside the Cult, never on the outside.
      To “Handle” a Scio on the street or on the phone using just one word: Wrong! Never try explain why their are Wrong! Just say it, and they will use all their energy and time explaining everything else the Right way. Then you say, – You are Wrong!

    • Phil Jones…this is all featured at the start of my video..please watch it dear.

      • Just saw it Karen. In Canada and had limited access earlier but just got onto wifi. Great video! Thanks.

    • Roger Hornaday

      “What did I say that you disagree with?” That question always makes them run. They don’t want to hear the reasons for your criticisms.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      NO PHIL NO! You were PDH’d by a dentist and just don’t remember it because the dentist also installed an implant into you to forget that you were PDH’d. This is so logical when one understands the Tech.

  • Ann B Watson

    From my heart, thank you Dearest Karen & Jeff for the insightful brilliant video and I have watched it more than once just to let all that Karen imparts soak in. Absolutely stunning the extent of the Scientology Scam! The friend who fled after attesting Clear is another hero of mine. I have seen lights in my mind’s eye too, however they were illusion lights and in no way signified I was Clear or OT. Come to think of this after I started being audited on the grades I really really wanted to learn the emeter. I figured if everyone else could so could I. But everytime I asked I was given the stock answer a) you have to do Power first and b) you have to do the green OEC volumes first. Made no sense at all. Here I was in the Sea Org and supposed to operate with one wing. Nutty Nuts! Love love to K,J,S and Tony. πŸ’›πŸ’›πŸ’›

  • Tony Ortega

    NEW POST IS UP

  • joan nieman

    Tony you are awesome! You are doing a great service in revealing all the negative influences of a corrupt organization. All our contributors certainly need to be commended as well. I am going to make a cup of nice strong coffee and settle down to watch Karen and Jeff’s video.

    • Ann B Watson

      If this is what shooping can create what fun one can have sticking it to Scientology and all the still in high rollers who eat this up 24/7. I might have the term spelled wrong but I think I see how lively the landscape becomes. Did I spy a pig with a cape?! Beautiful Karen outdoes and outshines them all. Thank you Mark.πŸ’›

      • Robert Eckert

        The flying pig (“Snortimer”) is a standard feature in Mark’s shoops, sometimes central, sometimes an Easter egg for his fans to looks for.

        • Robert Eckert

          Do you also see the elephant?

          • Ann B Watson

            Just now peeking out of the hedge alcove. ❀️

            • Ann B Watson

              Whoops that was a snake the elephant is flying. I do not care for snakes one bit! ❀️

            • Look closer: it’s the tentacles of a THING (species unknown, but probably from Helatrobus) also chasing Tubbo through his perverted imagination πŸ˜‰

            • Ann B Watson

              Thank you Mark, First I saw dragon, then snake then mastodon finally you straightened me out. My eagle eyes lens implants can focus in strange ways. But Old Ron’s Implants far stranger! Really love your work. ❀️

            • MarcabExpat

              It always pays to view your creations at full res. Always :-))))))))))

        • Ann B Watson

          Thank you Robert. Snortimer is a heartbreaker. Mark very talented as are you.πŸ’›

      • Thank you Ann πŸ™‚

    • Love it Mark. Thank you ! <3

    • beauty for ashes

      You captured the moment where Karen starts to get giddy and adorable from the cognitive dissonance! Well done! So funny! <3

  • Elizabeth Lavet

    Sounds like Scientology itself is in a position to put “implants” into people, if their theory holds. They harshly threaten the public indicating very clearly “don’t speak”, “don’t tell”, “don’t think” or you will be black balled if you do these things, missing out on the great secrets to solve whatever your problem(s) might be. They use a mild form of hypnosis (my opinion) during auditing. They don’t seem to consider the negative impact of their own actions toward people being free, just those evil outsiders trying to harm Scientology.

  • ExCult.Jan

    Wish there was a Recommendedx47 heart button option.

  • Joe

    My reaction when I saw in Karen’s video that Hubbard used the phrase “No Being Goalishness”:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ca67397ce0e334c11bb15cdf692dd0b222a7880dfb23b8f239b9faa27baa8c0a.gif

    • Roger Hornaday

      “I gave you a chance and you give me this shit? I’m outta here.”

  • davegrille

    The concept of “implant” virtually immunizes the Scientologists from real world occurrences .

    • RedShoeLady

      Well then why did LRH go into hiding? He could have erased the IRS debts mentally or even made himself invisible. Oh wait he knew it was a scam! I forgot!

      • davegrille

        Evidently ,he couldn’t rid himself of the implants or the body thetans.

  • Dave Reams

    “In Scientology, you get to blame everything on your trillion-year-old mental booby traps” … Is that how Danny Masterson is referring to his victims? As mental, boobie traps?

  • Dave Reams ~~ Scientology cult theory is that Man is screwed up in the area of sex BECAUSE of Psychiatrist’s whole track implants. Hubbard said so. The believers believe.

    • beauty for ashes

      Yes, and Hubbard made sex soooo healthy! πŸ˜‰

    • Joe

      I have a cousin who is a psychiatrist and he is the most normal, mundane guy I know, so I always chuckle when I hear about how they paint psychiatrists to be these terribly evil megalomaniacs bent on destroying the world.

  • beauty for ashes

    Sometimes we cannot answer all of life’s questions. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0cc50d1f8053b61e87f43aeda0fd8479dd8220ad2665144a56954a545e00853a.jpg
    This sometimes helps. (I say this all the time, and never actually buy any bourbon)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4a9d4b8f1d3929e64478fbff77820487ac7e5e9a1cda36ab191a9faeb732112b.jpg

    • Ann B Watson

      πŸ’›β€οΈπŸ·

      • beauty for ashes

        cheers *clinks glass of diet ginger ale*

        • Ann B Watson

          I like that too and le croix sparkling water. Cheers to a favorite poster of mine. πŸ˜‡

          • beauty for ashes

            Aww, feeling is mutual Ann! <3
            I used to love when I lived by an Italian market and could buy San Pellegrino water by the case for cheap!

            • Ann B Watson

              I could not remember the name San Pellegrino. Thank you beauty. I like that one also. And I love Italian markets, a great one in my hometown Boston, Mass alas none in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. But good food here with heat but not smoking hot. I’m too old for that! 😍🌺

            • ExCult.Jan

              SP is now the other official Bunker beverage. *hiccups*

              Officially edited out the redundant official

            • beauty for ashes

              that’s one of my dreams , to be sponsored by San Pellegrino water, and have as much as I want all the time! I’m a drinkaholic!

            • ExCult.Jan

              SP for SPs. Catchy jingle.

            • Ann B Watson

              I will help send your dream to the water Source! You would sell cases and be crowned the Queen of the spring or sparkled water world. For years I have had water delivered wherever I lived. Not far from BR, La there is a town called Abita Springs. And right in the center of town is the main well for these truly beautiful waters that the Native Americans used to drink and to heal. I have used it 20 years and swear it has helped to fight cancers that swoop around in me trying to gain a new foothold. I definitely do traditional medical protocol for my cancers, but I add my own spiritual twist to the mix and Abita Springs water one tool in my arsenal against a devious disease. Hugs & love to you Always.πŸ’§πŸ’§πŸ’›

            • beauty for ashes

              Wow, Abita Springs sounds wonderful. Cancer is a jerk, and any chance it might have to gain a foothold should be danced , prayed, steamed , juiced, kaled, voodooed away! I have talked openly about my Mom’s fight with adenocarcinoma in her lungs and spine. I try to give her a ridiculous silly amount of love and kisses and tell her its from all her children daily. I make her laugh really hard, and feel really loved at the same time. Also I tell her how proud of her I am. I swear the cancer can’t spread in that kind of environment! (((( SILLY HUGS <3 <3 <3))))) <3 beauty

            • Ann B Watson

              Oh my beauty, I do believe I arrived here after your talk about your fighter, and wonderful mother. I do send her all the love & healing I can hold. You are a precious and dear family. Briefly with me no family history at all on both sides with cancer. At 47 I have colon cancer. At 62 I get breast cancer and do a month of radiation and at 64 and 65 it comes back twice but is taken out. Every six months I do the cancer tests dance with both for life. The medical consensus is Sea Org life and all that went with it caused roving bad genes to switch on. Over the years and this is just my opinion for me, I have found that the more peaceful, giving and loving I am, the more I face the future head-on. I cannot thank all those at Mike Rs who have thought about me, all you Bunkeroos who send me love and all my forever friends who bring me light and hope.I love you all. Beauty I pray in my way for total healing for your Mom. What a lovely lady with such good kids. You are so kind hearted. πŸ’›β€οΈ

            • beauty for ashes

              My Mom have breast and lymph node cancer when I was in high school. She had mastectomy and chemotherapy, and beat it like a champ. This arrived late in august, just after a terrible tragedy in my family of my sister’s loss that we found out about in January. My mom was just taken down by back pain within a week was in the hospital and then they found everything and started radiation and terribly heavy painkillers, which were not enough, but limiting her functionality. By day eight or nine or the radiation, she couldn’t even walk inside the hospital, needed a wheelchair, and couldn’t get on the table. They had to send her home after a b-12 shot. she finished the day or two left of radiation, and was walking with a back brace and walker. She was barely mobile, but the amount of morphine necessary was making her quality of life and consciousness terrible. Once her pain was so bad I couldn’t move her out of the bed and I called an ambulance . Wow, some of this stuff, I can’t believe how hard it was. Anyway. After a few months of chemo, and a lot of not feeling well, I urged her to lower her morphine, and then she and her doctor were able to completely take her off. There was no more throwing up! She began to feel like herself again. Slowly she picked up little pieces of life again. I was just so happy and proud. You just have to understand it really looked like a miracle to me, and still does. I would not have imagined things would turn around like this. Oh and did I mention my Dad had a stroke too in the middle of this? He’s doing really well, although I doubt he will ever drive again. There is still a “cloud” in his brain, which we don’t know what it is. But we are managing with a lot of support for right now! Whew! That was really cathartic! thanks for letting me vent Ann!

            • Ann B Watson

              You vent until you are done beauty for ashes. What a Survivor you are and the love and support you give your parents is most touching. My late parents very different, yours seem sweet and they have both been through so much. I understand how all this is a miracle for you. They come when least expected and turn sorrows to joys. Anything I can do just let me know. Writing is very carthartic for me also and just sitting and being still and feeling so grateful to be out of the Sea Org, calms me. Love to you Always. πŸ’œβ€οΈ

            • beauty for ashes

              My parents have had a rough time, and aren’t sweet per se. My Mom mostly is. My father before the stroke was a freaking nightmare, and up until recently they had stopped sleeping in the same bed. My father has had more than his fair share of personality disorders. Then two weeks before his stroke he had this “come to Jesus” moment and then it was calm. My last sister to visit came with her husband and kids and I said you won’t believe this, but it has been like a Norman Rockwell painting here, I don’t know how much help we’ll need! My parents are in their eighties, and I am the youngest of eight children, just *barely* in my forties! I know this is when a lot of people’s parents pass away or have already passed away. But there is almost two generations between us. I have friends who have parents the same ages as my sisters and brothers. I had to move in with them when I couldn’t work anymore and had to apply for disability. It’s been very hard on me as a woman, who now feels more like a child again.
              And now I just got disability, but I feel I can’t leave my Mom. Even though I joke that I have Floridian existential depression. So we’re all relying on each other right now. Which is good and bad. Maybe not bad, but hard!
              Thanks Again Ann, I’m gonna send you a check!!!!! <3 Beauty

            • Ann B Watson

              You are so clever & I will take a large SP beverage anytime day or night with you & any of you fabulous Bunkeroos. πŸ’ž

        • ExCult.Jan

          If I bring a 2L bottle, can I joint the party?

          • beauty for ashes

            Absolutely!

            • ExCult.Jan

              *clink clink*

              Edit: a toast to Connection!

            • beauty for ashes

              *clink* and hopeful reconnections!

    • outraged

      Absolutely Right!!! Just saw a musical in NYC about ABDUCTION!! Amazing. A musical about abuse. And, there were no conclusions drawn. There were SO many topics raised in this play but like life, NOTHING is ever completely resolved.

      If you can, go see it. Kid Victory. Music by Kander, who did Chicago.

      Overwhelmingly real and emotional and confusing as hell. But I laughed a little bit and cried at the end.

      We are all so vulnerable. And no one is all good or all bad.

      Embrace our differences, keep an open mind, and always always let your children flower into who they are and not who you want them to be.

      • Frodis73

        I heard about that. So jealous, but happy, you got to see it!

        • outraged

          shhhh…I am also going to shoot the show. So I will see it again. Cannot stop thinking about it. AMazing how Pierce and Kander made this musical. There is no way this could be a drama, too horrifying. But as a musical, it is all so much more complex and strange and…..impossible to understand. WHich is why the critics were so-so, I think. The theatre is tiny. the lighting was amazing. Very few lights but they were their own characters in a way. The whole set stayed the same. It was like we were in the boys head. In every place he went. One of the most horrifyingly beautiful performances I’ve ever seen.

      • beauty for ashes

        Did you see the movie Clouds of Sils Maria, with Juliette Binoche? You would love it for that reason. Great art asks questions but doesn’t answer it for you. Such great performances too.

        • outraged

          Thank you! I know about the movie but have not seen it yet. This play, it is lingering a long time in my head…..

          • beauty for ashes

            It’s on HBO a lot lately. CLOUDS OF SILS MARIA!!!!!!!!!!! πŸ™‚ lol

    • Rasha

      I always assume that the glass is just too damn big, but this works, too! #^_^#

  • Mick Roberts

    Karen, thank you for that video. You are explaining the LRH concepts of implants very well and in a way that never-ins like me can understand. I haven’t finished the video just yet, but I had to stop for a minute to post this because I believe I just had what they call a “cognition”….

    To the Scientologists still in, I get it with the implants as you believe now, where thoughts have been put into some of our minds that make us act against our own best interests. You’re absolutely right that this has happened and continues to happen. I’m being dead serious here.

    However, what you may not have realized is that L. Ron Hubbard himself is the one who is responsible for your current implants. He’s implanted these false notions in your minds that his own individual creative mind is to serve as the final Word for everything in the only life you have that truly belongs to you, and you alone.

    Yes, I’m convinced now more than ever that when LRH was describing how “psyches” implant people with false memories and self-destructive thoughts, he was really only describing himself and the techniques he used to manipulate good and decent individuals to give up total control and bend unflailingly to his will.

    I’ll finish the video now. Just wanted to share that random thought I had before I forgot it.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Boom.

    • Mick Roberts

      Just finished it. Great job again Karen.

  • Forest Bird

    Karen and Jeff seem like the gentle, sweet relatives you wish you could visit more often but you don’t want to impose but you wish they had custody of you even though yo’re 36.

    • Ann B Watson

      Good to meet you Forest Bird. I know what you mean and I would gladly be in their custody at 65! Sweet,Good,Heroes and so glad in my heart they got out and they shine their light with ours in the battle against this scamming & evil cult.πŸ’›