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15 of the strangest things Scientology’s two supreme leaders ever uttered

 
Contributor Jeffrey Augustine has put a stirring collection together for us today. Just for fun, here are fifteen of the strangest things ever said by Scientology’s founder, L. Ron Hubbard, and his successor, current leader David Miscavige.

 
1. “A thetan doesn’t look through his eyeballs. He has two little gold discs, one in front of each eye lens. These are not the lenses of the eyes, but, as you might say, mocked-up energy.” L. Ron Hubbard. “Eyesight and Glasses.” Professional Auditor’s Bulletin #111, 1 May 1957.

 
2. “At the time I don’t think it was really thought to be that significant an issue. She died. People die.” – David Miscavige responding to a question about Lisa McPherson, St. Petersburg Times.

 
3. “If it’s Ron’s time to die, let him die.” — David Miscavige, on being informed by private investigators he had hired to follow his father Ron Miscavige, who appeared to be having a heart attack.

 
4. “There are certain things which make people ill and that is when they get into certain zones and areas or positions which approximate the R6 position such as a body lying in the rain with a rat below the crotch.” – L. Ron Hubbard, ASSISTS, Class VIII Course, Lecture #10

 
5. “Leukemia is evidently psychosomatic in origin and at least eight cases of leukemia had been treated successfully by Dianetics after medicine had traditionally given up. The source of leukemia has been reported to be an engram containing the phrase ‘It turns my blood to water.’” L. Ron Hubbard, “The Old Man’s Case-Book” Journal of Scientology 15-G (1953).

 
6. “I was up in the Van Allen belt — this is, uh, factual — and, uh, I don’t know why they’re scared of the Van Allen belt, because it’s simply hot. Uh, you’d be surprised how warm space is… And I was up there watching the sunrise.” L. Ron Hubbard, “The Saint Hill Special Briefing Course #317.” Lecture, 23 July 1963

 
7. “A thetan can go over and take possession of the body of – let’s say we want to influence the premier of Buckwupistan. So we boot this thetan out and make this thetan go over and knock out the thetan in the wife of the premier of Buckwupistan. And then we are holding the body of the person that we send over there and they are still connected and in communication with this body. At which moment … So we simply monitor, now all of a sudden we find we are able to monitor the wife of the premier of Buckwupistan with great ease. And we get her into a tremendous affair with a court chamberlain you see. And we just get things swirled up like a fire drill. And the next thing you know, he’s dispossessed. They say his rent’s up on Buckwupistan or something of this sort because of scandal, because of this, because of that. It’s a very neat political maneuver.” L. Ron Hubbard, “The Role of Earth,” November 1952 in R&D Volumes and 30 Oct 52 on old reels.

 
8. “Our enemies on this planet are less than twelve men. They are members of the Bank of England and other higher financial circles. They own and control newspaper chains, and they are, oddly enough, directors in all the mental health groups in the world which have sprung up. Now these chaps are very interesting fellows: They have fantastically corrupt backgrounds; illegitimate children; government graft; a very unsavory lot. And they apparently, sometime in the rather distant past, had determined on a course of action. Being in control of most of the gold supplies of the planet, they entered upon a program of bringing every government to bankruptcy and under their thumb, so that no government would be able to act politically without their permission. The rest of their apparent program was to use mental health – which is to say, psychiatric electric shock and prefrontal lobotomy – to remove from their path any political dissenters. They were the people behind the Siberia bill, which almost passed the House of Representatives in the United States, and did pass, if I remember rightly, the Senate, which gave the power to any governor in — of any state in the United States simply to pick up anyone on the street and send him to Alaska. We defeated this Siberia bill and many other mental health quote-unquote ‘acts’ of this character, but never really before knew from whom they were coming.” — L. Ron Hubbard, Ron’s Journal 67.

 
9. “I don’t know if you’re aware that there was a plan in 1955 in this country, Ted, to repeat what was done in Russia. There was going to be a Siberia, U.S.A., set up on a million acres in Alaska to send mental patients. They were going to lessen the commitment laws. You could basically get into an argument with somebody and be sent up there. This sounds very odd. Nobody’s ever heard about it. That’s in no small part thanks to the Church of Scientology. I must say, though, that when that bill was killed in Congress, the war was on with psychiatry where they declared war on us, and I want you to understand something….It was a major, major, major flap for the psychiatrists when it got voted down, because then the slogan around the country began, ‘Siberia USA,’ and it was really the first time that psychiatry had been denigrated publicly, that they weren’t the science that they had been promoting themselves to be. And they took it upon themselves then to start dealing with anybody who would oppose them. They definitely saw Dianetics and Scientology as opposing them, not only in terms of their brutal treatments, such as electric shock and prefrontal lobotomy, which are specific things that we’re against, but also for the fact of the people that were going to Dianetics and Scientology and not there. They went to the Food and Drug Administration, they went to the American Medical Association, they arranged an informant to go into our headquarters here in Washington, D.C., and infiltrate the organization over the next five years. I have documents on this, too. They wanted to get somebody in the church to recommend medical treatment, couldn’t get them to do it, walk in and say, ‘I want to be cured medically.’ People wouldn’t do it. They finally went so far as getting the head of the D.C. morals, the moral department of the D.C. police to send his daughter in as an informant, pregnant, to get an abortion, to ask the church to do it, a frame job. The church didn’t go for it. They did then raid the church….I am talking– This is the APA, AMA, Food and Drug Administration. These people were all coordinated doing these activities, and it went on for five years, Ted, and you have to understand, we only find this out recently. They then proceed to raid our church. Now, the following takes place. They killed one of our executive directors…” — David Miscavige, interview with Ted Koppel on Nightline, Feb. 14, 1992.

 
10. “Number one, when you are under siege — and there have been periods when we have been under siege — of course you have a tendency to just clam up and reach in.” – David Miscavige, interviewed by Tom Tobin of the St. Petersburg Times, October 25, 1998.

 
11. “This is an incident called the Emanator, by the way. And this thing is, by the way, the source of the Mohammedan Lode Stone that they have hanging down there that uh.. when uh.. Mohammed decided to be a good uh.. small town booster in uh.. Kansas Middle East or something of the sort.. by the way, the only reason he mocked that thing up is the trade wasn’t good in his home town. That’s right. You can read the life of Mohammed. And he’s got a black one and it’s sort of hung between the ceiling and the floor and, I don’t know it.. maybe it’s called a casbah or.. or.. or something. Any.. anyway that thing is a mock-up of the Emanator. The Emanator is bright, not black.” — L. Ron Hubbard, Philadelphia Doctorate Course No. 24, December 9, 1952.

 
12. “There is the incident called ‘The Obscene Dog’ that comes on the track just a little later than Incident One. And sometimes actually by running it, you can get the PC into Incident One. The Obscene Dog is a sort of a brass dog in a sitting position. Anybody that got around in front of the dog got caught in some electronic current and passed through the dog to the dog’s rear end and spat out. Thetans didn’t like this.” — L. Ron Hubbard, “Assists,” Class VIII Course, Lecture #10

 
13. “The main source of failure in section three is not strange thetans or hidden SPs but students who can’t audit.” — L. Ron Hubbard, Class VIII Course.

 
14. “I was in my apartment on February 23rd, about two or three o’clock in the morning when the apartment was entered, I was knocked out, had a needle thrust into my heart to give it a jet of air to produce ‘coronary thrombosis’ and was given an electric shock with a 110 volt current. This is all very blurred to me. I had no witnesses. But only one person had another key to that apartment and that was Sara.” — L. Ron Hubbard, letter to FBI, 1951.

 
15. “Wait a second, I’d like to note for the record that Mr. Ward here, said he was doing TR 1.1. And I would just like that noted here. That is probably not understandable to someone who is not a Scientologist, but it is definitely an attempt to demean the Religion of Scientology and I’d like that noted for the record. This TR 1.1 refers to a writing by Graham Berry, where he states that he will start up a 1.1 club, including, qualifications for this for non-homosexuals, is that there will be a public buggering of the leaders of Scientology. Buggering of course I think you know that it refers to sodomy and that is I understand what the 1.1 club is. I think that’s what Mr. Ward was stating that in reference to. I’d also like to state for the record. I believe I’ve taken about a minute to state that and I’m willing to give them an extra minute so that it doesn’t come off their time….Mr. Ward – I have seen postings from him, describing the various sexual acts that he has me engaged with various male members of the Scientology Religion, attorneys and so forth. And again, I won’t state here what that is, but he has already been ruled to be disgusting by the judge.” — David Miscavige, during a 1997 deposition, after defendant Grady Ward had simply uttered “TR one point one.”

 
— Jeffrey Augustine

 
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20 years later — the Phoenix Lights are still what we said they were

Continuing our plan to post some of our non-Scientology work here at the Underground Bunker, we’re reprinting a story we did for the Phoenix New Times in 1998, on the one-year anniversary of the famous “Phoenix Lights.” With the 20-year anniversary of that incident from March 13, 1997 coming up, expect there to be a lot of misinformation about it as the news media almost never get the most basic facts about that night correct. Here is our lengthy report not only about what really happened over the skies of Arizona, but about the people who were encouraging the confusion and profiting from it.

Enjoy our lengthy “The Hack and the Quack,” and let us know back here what you thought of it.

 

 
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HowdyCon 2017: Denver, June 23-25. Go here to start making your plans.

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,678 days.
Quailynn McDaniel has not seen her brother Sean in 1,781 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,275 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,315 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,027 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 494 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,612 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,782 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,102 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,077 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 433 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,735 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 842 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,244 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,117 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 698 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,203 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,447 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,556 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on March 1, 2017 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
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GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
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  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    I’m sure that obscene dogs are the shizzle on Farsec, or wherever, but on Teegeeack, cats rule:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72NfSwCzFVE

    • daisy

      Thank you made my day . I love all animals but cats just have extra piss and vinegar .

  • nottrue
    • Jimmy3

      GET OUT OF THERE, TREE! LEAVE!!!

    • Username

      Eyes roll, head shakes, deep breath…

    • Juicer77

      I BEG your pardon. When I showed up there they looked at me grumpily and slammed the door! True story.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        You look just too well adjusted and theta, and that makes them jealous. They only want downtrodden souls they easily can find the ruin of.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        DID YOU HAVE YOUR TICKET?!?

  • Tony’s inclusion of non-Scientology material is hopefully a sign that soon there will be no more Scientology to report on, and a suitable segway is required. That’s my hope anyway.

  • Username

    OT… has anything been written up about the addiction of cults? Do any former members here feel their journey back has included treatment similar to being treated for an addiction?

    I was just thinking about cults as a twisted subsection of religion characterized as high control groups lead by an absolute authoritarian. They seem intoxicating with promises to take care and solve all problems, especially if one is in need and searching for support. It would seem hard to quit, like smoking, because of the illusion of support it seems to provide.

    If anyone is reading and feels they need to leave this cult or any other, lots of very supportive people here to start you along the way. ❤

    • I seriously doubt that addiction is a useful model for the understanding or ‘cults’.

      My personal preference is for social influence – amplified by the isolated social isolation to which Scientologists are confined.

      • Username

        I can see your point. I’ll do more thinking on this.

    • Frodis73

      In the case of scientology, I think there might be an addiction component with auditing. Think of how all current and even ex’s talk about it. They have also talked about how if somebody came and told them they were getting audited, they would immediately have a physical reaction to just the idea of it. They all cannot wait to get back on the cans and get the next hit.

      • Username

        Thanks for the insight. So is it an adrenaline rush? Fight or flight? A warm loving feeling like oxytocin?

        • Frodis73

          I do not remember the exact words the person I am thinking of used. Maybe post a question here for the ex’s to get them to explain how it made them feel when doing it and the anticipation thing. I’m sure not everybody felt this, but I know I have read this from quite a few different stories. As an addict, it really stood out to me.

  • Admittedly, I am no expert like Jim Diletosso, nor do I have stigmata like Georgio JonBonJovi, buuuuuuuuuut … this is a true story:

    Yesterday, approx 9-9:30am, I see what I initially thought to be a shooting star hovering above the 5 fwy in The Valley. I guess it could have been Profit Ron doing some sunbathing in the Van Allen belt or a meteor or not aliens. I don’t know. I’ve never seen a shooting star or meteor “hover” in the same spot for 30+ minutes. There are no reports of it online (that I could find, anyway) and after more consideration, thought it might have been a SpaceX launch, but couldn’t find any info about that, either.

    In this pic, I’m facing south and the sun was directly over the horizon line to the left of the smudge: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95def30809749fc4986a901b9d8dc96d15bcb048f9bb944e1231c26461a2bd90.png

    • Jimmy3

      You should get that smudge checked out, bro

      • no doubt, just waiting for the government to let me know how i can access my Smudge-O-Care plan

    • Robert Eckert

      Weather balloon?

      • Kestrel

        Chemtrail.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          DING DING DING DING DING!

      • i don’t think i’ve ever seen a weather balloon w/ a “comet tail” like that

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          It was a weather balloon with a sense of style..?

          • Sure. I can tell by the responses I’m getting that most of you are not in as playful a mood as I am today.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I’m saving my playful mood for the weekend.

      • Sherbet

        Swamp gas?

    • Elegant Mess

      Looks like your run-of-the-mill rocket. There have been lots of tests recently in/around CA.

      • bo-ring ;P

      • GrangerFX

        Rockets go really fast. Ever watched one? They are also hard to see in the daytime if you are not up close to the launch site. The ones you see are just after sunset or before sunrise. When they get up about 10 miles in altitude (happens really fast) the sun catches the exhaust plume and can look spectacular. Even hundreds of miles down range you can see the rocket move across the sky as it nears orbital velocity.

    • GrangerFX

      Get an app like FlightRadar24. It will show you which plane that is, where it came from and is going, it’s altitude and speed. I had a guy rant at me about all the chem trails in the sky left by secret government jets. I had fun showing him that they were all commercial aircraft and their trails related to their altitude and location due to water vapor and temperature/density of the air.

      A plane at 5+ miles altitude can leave a visible ice crystal trail visible hundreds of miles away. It would appear to be stationary when viewed from the ground.

      The smudge is definitely a UFO. Modern science cannot explain its existence.

    • sizzle8

      I belive there was an Atlas launch from Vandenberg around that time.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Remember Randy Gomberg? http://tonyortega.org/2016/04/25/one-of-the-best-examples-ever-that-scientology-can-only-be-understood-from-ex-scientologists/ Another clam recently re-posted one of his comments defending the CO$ and mentioned his death as “taken suddenly and certainly too soon” (his posts stopped in April). I was reading some of his nutty posts and this “fan letter” to Don Bellisario stood out…
    (refresh)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/af9bda52b2ad74953fd847fcf8c5437308486910dc7876a325c9b98a04a282af.png

    • Sherbet

      I didn’t realize I’ll have the choice to come back after I die.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        And he thinks that after dying in combat in a war you’d want to jump back into the fray the next time around “to serve once more”. Not bloody likely.

        • Sherbet

          Heck, I don’t even want to have my ears pierced again.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Well, RIP Randy Gomberg.

      He was a cheerleader for the vile psychopath Hubbard and the mind bending philosophy the psychopath authored.

      The delusion “we come back” makes it all worth it, makes it all ok to kill twenty to forty million in a war, makes it ok to lay waste the lives of Sea Org Members making pennies an hour, makes it ok to force women in the the Sea Org to abort their babies. The grand hallucination of great powers and eternal beings and the shimmering glorious future lives justify the bloody business of Scientology extracting every last erg of energy and every last coin from it’s true believers.

      The classic magician’s misdirection, “Look at the brave new world I offer you!” while he steals your wallet and your humanity and finally your life.

      Randy not only justified every abuse and horror of Scientology as being worth it for the promise of the fantasy he was sold, he justified all his own participations in those abuses and horrors. AS DOES EVERY OTHER SCIENTOLOGIST. And do it so well they can’t even perceive they do it.

      When I was a Scientologist, so did I. If you have any compassion at all, and a Scientologist, you have to find some way to justify what you do to others, what you do to yourself as a Scientologist. So you jack up the fervor and disconnect the emotion and carry on. Win or die in the attempt.

      Well, fuck that.

      Randy ain’t coming back. He doesn’t get another shot at the wheel. He doesn’t get to fix the crap he did or pluck strings in some gilded cloud or suffer for his failing flayed on brimstone. He’s just dead.

      Nobody else gets a second chance either. Yeah, we’re built to hope for that to be true. But that very hope is used against us by every charlatan, mystic, preacher, politician and conman we ever meet. Or live under in a police state. Or in a nation.

      The truth is: We live. We die. What we do makes a difference to those who come after us. We leave a better world or a worse one. If we have compassion for our friends, for the children who inherit the world we leave, we try to leave a better one.

      Win and die in the attempt.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Thank you for saying this, Michael Leonard Tilse. “The delusion “we come back” makes it all worth it, makes it all ok to kill twenty to forty million in a war, makes it ok to lay waste the lives of Sea Org Members making pennies an hour, makes it ok to force women in the the Sea Org to abort their babies”

        • PerpetualOutflow

          “We come back” also makes it okay to divorce on a whim or send your underage children off to the sea org and/or be raised by someone else or to fail to grieve over the loss of a loved one or friend. “We come back” is one more clam trigger that helps to deaden the best of human impulses in $cientologists.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Yes, and I see that in my Sea Org family member when we lost a parent. “Well by now I’m sure he picked up a new meat body, so its okay.”

            • Ann B Watson

              Thank you for your comment. Oh yes I heard this explanation many times in Sea Org. When I was so upset about Quentin, that was my fault and blame fell on me for out Tech thinking. Why should I be upset that he dropped the meat body to return in full Scientology glory. Really sad that way of dissecting people to a Thetan damned to return Forever to the Tech. Keep flying high Q, you are so beyond all that hurt you. 💛

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              And of course it diminishes the value of family and human relationships – makes no sense to grieve if we are all just meat bodies.

            • Ann B Watson

              Yes and your post is so good and true. 💛

            • PerpetualOutflow

              That’s so sad. And someday, most of them will come to deeply regret that attitude.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Not sure I understood all of what you wrote, but in the main, you make an excellent point. The delusion of “we come back” justifies a host of abuses in the clampire.

  • Username

    This was my favorite Jeffery Augustine quote included in the article about the Yingling lies on 20/20.

    I was in the audience that night and was appalled to see the way in which the gathered Scientologists jumped to their feet to scream wildly and applaud Miscavige’s violent call for the global obliteration of Psychiatry and the mass arrest and imprisonment of psychiatrists. Miscavige further bragged at this event that CCHR had a “smart bomb” that “sniffs out Psych fuel lines and blows the funding mechanism. And in that way, to put it bluntly, we booby-trapped the whole psychiatric ecosystem.”

    Check please☝️

  • J. Swift

    4. “There are certain things which make people ill and that is when they get into certain zones and areas or positions which approximate the R6 position such as a body lying in the rain with a rat below the crotch.” – L. Ron Hubbard, ASSISTS, Class VIII Course, Lecture #10

    I remember the first time I read this online. I thought, who does that? Who lays in the rain with a rat below their crotch? Perhaps the Commodore was alluding to some past experience of his own? Who knows? Our takeaway tech item here: Don’t lay in the rain with a rat below your crotch or you will get sick. The rat could also bite you down there. This is good advice even for non-Scientologists.

    • I’ve pretty much lived by this rule my whole life. At least I try to make sure it isn’t raining when I lie down with a rat below my crotch.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Droll, Mr. Jones. Very droll.

    • Observer

      It sounds like a Ronnish thing to do. Maybe he was knocked out by the thrashing he received and to which he alluded in the Affirmations ( “You are not a coward. Fist fighting had no bearing on your courage. You were ill when you were fought before. You did not understand the rules.”) and when he woke up in the gutter it was raining and there was a rat below his crotch, disdaining to bite his junk.

    • Sherbet

      Do you recall Bob Newhart’s Abner Doubleday phone call, where Newhart is extremely skeptical of Doubleday’s description of his new invention, baseball? That’s what I think of, somebody listening to lrh tell these exquisitely stupid stories. “Mr. Hubbard, I’m reading your Lecture #10, and I have a few questions. Now, I understand there’s a body lying in the rain. That may or may not be a problem, depending on whether the body is covered with a tarp. Is there a tarp? Maybe a Burberry raincoat? Well, no wonder the body is sick. OK, let’s move on…Now, what about this R6? Is that a vitamin? No? Is there an R 1 through R 5, maybe like ballet positions? OK, you just made up that part. Well, I need to understand how the rat in the crotch comes into the picture. Oh, a rat below a crotch, like that makes a difference. How did the rat get there? Oh, we don’t know; it’s just there. Gee, I don’t know, Mr. Hubbard, none of this makes sense to me, and I don’t think anyone is going to pay good money for it. Oh, now you want to tell me about a Bridge?”

      • gtsix

        In case anyone wants to listen to the fabulousnessness that is Bob Newhart:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh4CvpfXUZ4

        • Sherbet

          Is that the Abner Doubleday thing? I have no sound on this computer.

          • gtsix

            Yep, sure is.

            • Sherbet

              Thanks! I’m eager to listen to it again.

      • Kestrel

        You must have some misunderstood words. You need the Student Hat course. For starters.

        • Sherbet

          No, I need the Stupid Hat course to understand.

          • Taffy Sinclair

            I was forced to re-do that curse, (i mean course) 4 times!! At MY OWN xxxpense…

    • flyonthewall

      I think it’s like laying drunk in the gutter but very oddly phrased

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      “Our takeaway tech item here: Don’t lay in the rain with a rat below your crotch or you will get sick. The rat could also bite you down there. This is good advice even for non-Scientologists.”

      And people say scientology has no value…

  • So right after Incident One, just after the God Nancy Cartright created the universe, one of the first things she decides to create is a brass dog that shoots thetans out its ass?

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      It’s not what I would do, but who am I to judge.

    • Jimmy3

      So that’s what my dog is always doing on the couch. Running down a whole track incident. I just thought his ass itched.

      • flyonthewall

        hey, did you get those blue pants I sent you? I thought you’d look pretty sharp in them

        • Jimmy3

          Are they Super Mario pants?

          • flyonthewall

            I don’t think so. They’re from JCPenney. You like JCPenney right? I hope you like JCPenney.

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      Wouldn’t you?

      • Maybe not a dog. I think a steer would be more likely what I would create. Then LRH could spew about bullshit all day long. Oh wait, he did that anyway.

    • Mick Roberts

      So I suppose, at the end of the day, we are nothing more than brass dogshit occupying meat bodies. Gonna be a damn messy job to clear this planet of dogshit.

    • Not before cleaning up after the cherub’s horses.

  • Don’t blame me for any unpleasant mental images, blame Hubbard… (renew subscription to the DSM): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8bcce3ff92520decf96f9c0e071e95d65fcbe69a5f8ad5cad1d2416e01f93cef.jpg

  • Followed the link and read the entire article. Very interesting and educational.
    One question, Tony – how much Pleiadesians paid you to write it? Was it in cash, gold or in advanced new tech?
    Seriously though, I like reading your non-Scientology work.

    • Username

      I second that. I loved the article about Burnam. Have an astronomer friend that I shared the article with and he remembered the cat artist in Balboa Park, but didn’t know it was him. Of course has all his books.

    • stillgrace2

      A good writer is a good writer. N’est-ce pas?

  • Username

    You know they say you can find something to like in everyone. I finally found out what I like about tiny tyrant…it appears he has never brought children into the world to suffer under the effects of being born into the cult. If he has, they don’t seem to factor prominently in his abusive orbit or he has eaten them like Zeus. I think his succession plans include cloning and a realllllly mini me… like the size and temperament of a very bitey, shakey, chihuahua.

  • Newiga

    A thetan doesn’t look through his eyeballs. He has two little gold discs, one in front of each eye lens. These are not the lenses of the eyes, but, as you might say, mocked-up energy.”

    Oh Ron, didn’t your mamma ever tell you not to smoke those dandelions found on the side of the road?
    https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/69/220702174_c0d9fd3a15_z.jpg

    • Observer

      Ron had an active and vivid imagination. It was also really, really stupid.

  • Ann B Watson

    I am cross eyed and seem to have lost the cardinal directions because after wading, laughing and sitting shaking my head at the wondrous treat Jeff gave today,I am so glad to have these quotes. If I had seen just this one post, even after being Ronhigh on DMSMH so Love missiled that I up and joined The Sea Org in 74, just these words from Old Ron & dm would have stopped me in my tracks. I would not have signed for one billion years that is a given. Thank you Jeff not only for this piece, but it shows how seriously damaged in their own minds both men were and are. 💛

    • Missionary Kid

      It sounds like it gave you some relief and healing. I hope it did.

      • Ann B Watson

        Thank you so much. yes it did just that!🌄

  • MereCatWatcher

    Tony, I just took a look at your article on UFOs and loved it. The depth of the science and explanations, debunking by knowledgeable experts is terrific. Your next book should be a collection of these great investigative, in depth pieces of infirmative journalism.

  • flyonthewall

    So the headline screams Beau Biden’s widow having an affair with his married brother but then in the body it goes on to say the brother has been separated from his wife since Oct 2015 and the Biden family has given their blessings for the relationship.

    Love is great and all that but to me this is kinda gross

    http://pagesix.com/2017/03/01/widow-of-joe-bidens-deceased-son-having-affair-with-brother-in-law-hunter/?_ga=1.40988070.563996673.1488402570

    • Observer

      Families can be messy.

      • Jimmy3

        …And then the thread turned into an Oreck commercial, and it was wholesome again.

        • Observer

          lol

      • flyonthewall

        especially when they start humping eachother

        • Jimmy3

          Narrative killer.

          • flyonthewall

            it is my duty to maintain a certain level of creepiness here

            • Of course it is. You’re a fly. You barf on your food to pre-digest it. A little cousin-humpin’ shouldn’t put you off your feed.

        • Taffy Sinclair

          Quite abberated, those families.

          • flyonthewall

            indeed

  • chukicita

    Sort of OT: A friend said:

    “Conservatives shout ‘paid protester’ because they literally can’t imagine sacrificing without being paid. Which is sort of the problem.”

    I thought this also applied to Scientologists.

    *still waiting for my big pharm check

    • Ben Franklin

      Yep, Scientologists also claim that their critics are paid individuals.

    • They don’t use checks, just debit cards that they charge up every time you hit certain points. My PharmaLucre™ card keeps my new Panamera Turbo’s tank filled up, but ever since the election I really rake it in with my SorosBuxx™ Gold card. That’s where the Porsche came from in the first place.

      • daisy

        I get paid in Xanax.

  • Taffy Sinclair

    This is hilarious!!! The subtitles are ON POINT! Someone’s got their TR’s on fleek!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXYFMU1FEFk

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Perhaps Hubbard’s claim that there was a plan to turn Alaska into Siberia is the way his tortured brain took in the Alaska Mental Health Enabling Act of 1956 (Public Law 84-830), which was enacted to improve mental health care in Alaska, at that time a territory. In 1955 there was a lot of opposition to it because, among other things, it limited the rights of the alleged mentally ill to object to institutionalization. The anticommunist movement was one the biggest opponents of the bill. They called it the “Siberia Bill,” because they feared that it was a backdoor way of creating an American Siberia.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    For a very short moment I thought I saw LRH lying in the gutter. I mistakenly had left my two little gold discs on.
    And it isn’t even raining.
    (refresh) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/21da5353ec7cc9200c1b59af2b16c66b570b9a0cbd91ce3e466e78c0afb7cf8f.gif

    • Phoebequeen

      I feel a seizure coming on.

  • I loved that article, Tony. It’s a shame that since then things have only become weirder and weirder to the point that the country put the original birther in office.

    During my exit process from Scientology, I dove embarrassingly deep into the world of conspiracy theories; largely egged on by my father. It’s all a crock of shit and a waste of time. There are generally much, if not mundane then tangible things going on that need society’s focus and attention.

    Conspiracy theorists are the perpetrators of fake news. It makes me angry every time I hear someone propagating them.

  • nottrue

    Good job …Give him the part.. . …https://youtu.be/Qty4ssTFZ_w

    • Jimmy3

      I’ve never actually shot heroin, but I really don’t think heating it up in a plastic spoon works.

      • Taffy Sinclair

        I can tell you for a fact metal spoons work best.

        • Jimmy3

          How do you feel about sporks?

          • Taffy Sinclair

            Metal, plastic, or aluminum, like my cans?

            • Taffy Sinclair

              I will say my cans have been around the block.

              L.Ron Hubbzy titty-fucked me on 2 non-consecutive occasions (just like Grover Cleveland.)

            • That’s really gross. Just the idea of Hubbard being sexually active is enough to make me gag.

            • Frodis73

              Yep.
              Especially after reading his “Affirmations”. Sounds like he was a real winner in bed right ladies? (shudder) I would rather…do anything else on earth I think!

            • Taffy Sinclair

              Ok, y’all are sensitive. Too bad no one got my joke (I know some of y’all did 😉

              Peace.

          • JJ

            Dangerous to unsuspecting tongue. Great Hair embellishments.

            Use in sentence:

            “Oh Jollie your sporks are sick the way they stick out n back.” “You look like a semi tone peacock!”

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      How long has Golden Era Productions been up and running? Gold Base was bought by scientoology in 1978. This is project number 43. That’s just over one project per year, on average. Not bad.

    • Frodis73

      What in the world was the point of that? Oh, scientology.

  • RedShoeLady

    Just watched “White Helmets” on Netflix. There’s some fucking heroes in that film.
    DM TC JT KA JE BE and all you other fucking Psycho-$cilons wouldn’t know courage if it bit you on your ass.

    • Jimmy3

      Kevin Bacon was in “Trapped” with Dakota Fanning, who was in “Man on Fire” with Denzel Washington, who starred in “Courage Under Fire”, which is a movie Bodhi Elfman watched right before he cancelled his HBO subscription.

      • RedShoeLady

        “Courage Under Fire” is my fav all time film. As a Texan and a woman who spent years in leadership roles constantly second guessed by men who should have been saying “Yes Ma’am” was a perpetual thorn in my side. This film gave me so much validation. Thank you for mentioning it.

  • Bavarian Rage
  • J. Swift

    I limited myself to 15 of my favorite items just so I wouldn’t go out to 100 items and wallpaper the Bunker with Scientology crazy. The comments today are grrr8! So much Scientology lunacy packed into one place. People should bookmark today Bunker’s column just to have ready access to a storehouse of Scientology crazy. The tape of Hubbard’s rant on “listing and nulling” is a classic.

    John P. remarked that David Miscavige sounded like a barking loon when he talked about the Siberia Bill during the Ted Koppel interview. He sure did. This was DM the power-made cultlunatic* of the early 1990’s who was suing Time magazine for $416,000,000; suing multiple IRS officials in a Blevins lawsuit for $120,000,000; was in a war with the IRS in which he was spying on IRS officials using PI’s’; was spying on Pat Broeker, the Las Vegas crowd, and was working to capture Tom Cruise as a prize. On top of all this he believed that Scientology had defeated a diabolical plot the create the Alaskan Psychiatric Gulag (APG). Had the APG been created, David Miscavige would have undoubtedly been one of the first inmates on the reservation.

    *Cultlunatic = a new compound word to describe members of cults who are lunatic.

    • Noesis

      Inside the church, surrounded by the effects of the aggressively hostile culture created by Hubbard’s writings and lectures, Miscavige seems like the uber-Scientologist…and perhaps he is.

      Outside that culture he seems like a disturbed, uneducated rube.

      The Ted Koppel interview remains the all-time perfect example of what happens when erudite, urbane wisdom meets ignorant, bellicose monomania.

      It was the erudite guy who won the Emmy.

      And it was the bellicose guy that thought he came off well during the exchange.

      Did I mention that Scientology is stupid?

    • It’s time for Cult-a-man-I-acs
      And we’re zany to the max
      So just sit back and relax
      You’ll laugh till you collapse
      We’re Cult-a-man-I-acs

  • Phoebequeen

    Wow. It is just like listening to Donald Rump’s speech. Oy, my head.
    I remember the Phoenix Lights. Wow. 20 years have gone by. I think it was flares released from plane. Or, if it was aliens, they aint never gonna land here once they saw who our leader is. No way , no how.

  • flyonthewall

    When is the big story coming Tony?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELLkFaAdhVs

    • Phoebequeen

      Love Sprockets.

  • Try to be kind to yourself and others. Each other is all we have. The rest will follow.
    Pardon me for such universal advice and confusing dinner recipies. I mean it though.
    Sleep well, have a great day. Learn something new. I hope I will too. Love to all.

    • flyonthewall

      Be Kind Rewind

    • Jimmy3

      Don’t listen to them, Dodo. People hate on garlic chicken cheese dogs now, but just wait for the rapture. They’ll all be eating flies.

      • iampissed

        Garlic chicken cheese dog…sounds good to me.

      • My bro.

    • daisy

      I will not criticize again Dodo , I just had 2 dozen olives for supper .

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I hope they were marinated in Martini’s first.

        • daisy

          but of course

  • nottrue
    • Kestrel

      Oh, how I’d love a video of the red carpet arrivals.

    • Frodis73

      His 26th b-day my ass!

      • Jimmy3

        His Wikipedia “Background Info” says March 28th, 1991, but the “Early Life” paragraph says 1986. Woops. Get your people on that, god.

        • Frodis73

          I love that-what a huge mess up. Most 26 yr olds do not look like plastic Kuba, get a grip.

          • Jimmy3

            Really lazy wikiwashing. If he were actually a real celebrity, someone would have noticed that by now.

    • MarcabExpat

      “Gods For Peace in the Middle East Charity Event”

      Ow, my brain.

    • Qbird

      Behold the golden Kuba ka-god — he has apparently licked himself all over already.

    • April

      Nice body, but that face is all kinds of fucked up.

      • The body is mostly photoshop. He’s kind of soft looking in his videos.

        • April

          I should have known.

  • Kestrel

    I finally had a chance to read Tony’s piece on the Phoenix Lights. Fantastic read!

    • Cheap & Nothing Wasted

      This reminded me of the “Mysterious Marfa Ghost Lights”.
      Articles on them keep popping up all the time, except that its been repeatedly debunked as just vehicle headlights seen over the horizon due to temperature inversion caused mirages.

  • iampissed

    Has there been any talk of Jenna elfmans new show.
    ETA…It’s called Imaginary Mary

    • Kestrel

      It wouldn’t be a reprise of the Mr Ed Show, would it?

      • iampissed

        Willber

        • Cheap & Nothing Wasted

          Please, it’s “will-burrrrrrr!”
          BTW, Chill Wills was the voice of Ed. Ed’s actual name was “Bamboo Harvester”

          • iampissed

            True Nuf

      • iampissed

        Nope

    • Chee Chalker

      Jenna has a new show??

      • Ben Franklin

        Both Jenna and Bodhi were in Vancouver, Canada for some time while they were filming the show.

        • iampissed

          Must need the money to go OT 6.

          • Ben Franklin

            She is the main bread winner in that family.

            • iampissed

              Maybe she gets a two for one deal?

            • Jimmy3

              Also buys all the sugar cubes

        • Chee Chalker

          Ugh….let me guess the title
          The Insufferables

          • Ben Franklin

            It was only Jenna filming, not Bodhi.

            • Chee Chalker

              Maybe she’ll throw him a bone and let him ‘guest star’ in an episode or two

      • iampissed

        April 4th mid season thing.

    • Frodis73

      I saw a sneak peek and it looks pretty bad.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Saw a promo on ABC and realized it was Jenna. Too bad, as Rachel Dratch is attached to this project (she’s the voice of the childhood “imaginary” friend), and I would like to see her in a success. But not with the insufferable Jenna.

      • Joe

        I wonder if Rachel and Jenna will have a conversation about this.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlPMYhbX4yU

      • You are not alone. A brief review from the TV tracking website “Sidereel” reads:

        Could be cute, but I’m just not here for Jenna Elfman. Sorry.

        This is a TV critic, who likely knows little about Scientology, so it’s fair to say that the response might not be overwhelming.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I’ve been pulling for Rachel Dratch, too–ever since I heard she got ousted as 30 Rock’s original Jenna. She was Fey’s partner in crime going back to their Second City days.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          You and me both on the 30 Rock thing. Whenever people puzzled over why Rachel appeared as so many different characters on the series over the years, I would explain that it had been developed for her as Jenna. But she wasn’t, you know, pretty enough.

  • Cheap & Nothing Wasted

    Without going through all the comments, I’m sure at least one earlier commenter has written:
    Only Fifteen!

  • HTC

    Rarely come around at night, but Baby if you’re here, I was just listening to JJ while walking my dogs and said a prayer for your twin

  • Quick empathy

    The saddest and most telling is #2. “At the time I don’t think it was really thought to be that significant an issue. She died. People die.” David Miscavige’s statement concerning Lisa McPherson. That attitude is why I am compelled to oppose Scientology in any way I can.

    • Jimmy3

      Even true sociopaths can and will lie, and say something along the lines of, “We were heartbroken over this tragedy.” As simple as that, and even when they don’t mean it or don’t care, that plays to the public a thousandfold better than spiteful apathy. His unwillingness to at least pretend to be a decent human being has always baffled me, seeing as how they seem to want to be embraced by the public as a benevolent organization.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Expressing appropriate human sympathy is apparently too high a price for $cientologists to pay to garner positive public opinion.

      • iampissed

        God I love it when you are RIGHT ON MARK.
        ETA… your funny to..

      • MarcabExpat

        I don’t even know if it’s that he’s unwilling to pretend. I think it could be that he just genuinely doesn’t get the concept.

        • JJ

          That one. He only cares that he got caught.

  • Marie Rivera

    #12 is priceless. These guys sound unhinged, out of touch with reality and so very paranoid. ALMOST, kinda, a wee bit, for one iota of a second….felt sorry for them.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      I made that mistake for the longest time too. They don’t get the magnanimity and will take advantage of your sympathy as a weakness.

  • Marie Rivera

    Is there a “moral dept in the police dept?” Lol

  • Ben Franklin

    Way too many conspiracy theories can easily turn one into this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch9gQ9JOe3Y

    • Frodis73

      Outside of the direct action of politicians, Alex Jones has done more damage to our country with his crap site, radio show, etc than anybody else.

      • Mockingbird

        He is a presidential advisor now.

    • Qbird

      A POV here, from 2014 (a year after the above) you will recognize the byline: http://www.rawstory.com/2014/06/alex-jones-is-a-false-flag-hear-me-out/?comments=disqus

    • Graham

      Fucking hell. That’s scary. And Trump listens to that?

  • allioops

    coo coo

    • JJ

      ka chu

  • outraged

    16. Scientology is a religion.

  • Taffy Sinclair

    I just e-metered my ripe tomato from my greenhouse!!!

    She’s “Clear!”

    The bitch is finally clear!!

    Next step? OaTy!! And other bridge-going-up-stuff-whatever….

    • EmmaDaoust

      BLT sandwich.

      • Juicer77

        Thetalicious!!

  • Faux Gibbler

    So that is where David got the idea to send his wife away. #9

  • JJ

    “Rat Crotch.” and “Obscene Dog.”
    Jesus where do I sign up?
    “Insufferable ego.” and “Paranoid-Logorrheal-Charlatan is more like.

  • Robert Ramsay

    Well it brought back a ton of memories reading the Hack and the Quack. I was down in Mountain View taking a Sgi course on the Onyx2 at the time and can still remember looking up into the nights sky seeing
    Hale Bopp. Thank god for science and concept of open/journalistic review ! …but …I’m still wondering what happened at Exeter 🙂

  • JJ

    “CORPORATELY, ULTIMATELY, AND I GUESS THE REAL POINT THAT I BELIEVE I WAS TRYING TO MAKE HERE WAS THAT CORPORATELY, ULTIMATELY NO MATTER HOW BAD THE POWER PUSH, IF SOME PEOPLE CAME ALONG LATER AND WANTED TO TAKE ALL THE MONEY AND WANTED TO PUT IT IN THEIR OWN POCKET, WANTED TO TAKE ANY OF THE DONATIONS OF THE CHURCH AND MAKE IT THEIR OWN AND BASICALLY WERE HERE JUST TO GET RICH, THAT ULTIMATELY THE CORPORATIONS OF SCIENTOLOGY WOULD BE ABLE TO STAND UP TO THIS, WHICH WASN’T THE CASE BEFOREHAND.”

    Miscavige in deposition.

    Yes, we incorporated to protect the good name of LRH and to ensure no one could use his work for personal gain…no one outside of the inner circle of the RTC that is… Not squirreling so much as squirrel cloning?

  • Juicer77

    Is the STAND page gone? I didn’t see it just now. If it’s gone, they must have read Mike Rinder’s prediction about entheta. XD http://www.mikerindersblog.org/s-t-a-a-d/

    ETA: I also noticed how the photo they used was mostly of women. Clear example of piggybacking on the recent pink hat marches.

    • it’s still up! Mike Rinder nailed it in many ways.

  • OT: somewhat creepy. This is really moving fast forward now, and i wonder what they are going to use them fore. Not really!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7xvqQeoA8c

    • Would we think it was creepy if its big brother delivered essential medical supplies through conditions that were too dangerous to risk people? We would probably grow to love the damn thing.

      Like any tool, the morality of the use to which new technologies are put depends on us. Unfortunately, international law inevitably lags behind technological innovation. Drones are new. They are fun. I own one. Fighters in a pointless war driven by fanaticism recently used them to drop explosives.

      The problem isn’t technology. The problem is that there are always people who can’t be trusted not to use it to cause harm.

      • Aye! got your Drone 🙂

        Lawmakers will somehow always be behind also especially when new technology is surrounded by so much secrecy like AI. When we begins to understand the full implication on a larger scale, it’s going to a real wtf moment for many of us. I see some really strange reports and abstract ideas popping up in the science community. Some are good but some are really scary lol.

        • A Parrot Swing, with the long-range controller. It only has 7 minutes endurance but that’s enough to learn how to fly ’em (especially since it can transition to a kind of aerodynamic flight and move quite quickly).

          I was walking home from the funeral of my friend’s brother, and passed a shop where they selling them cheap because the chain wasn’t stocking them any more. I thought, don’t put it off – you might not get another chance…

          I haven’t been able to use it, yet but now and again I take it out of the box, and feel 8yrs old again.

          RE: “Handle” – I read a book of articles from philosophers about the status of antonymous armed drones – killer robots who don’t have a human finger on the trigger – years before they were possible.

          Maybe the Scientists and engineers will show us what is possible – but we need the philosophers to make us think about what we should do with those possibilities.

          I think the days when really revolutionary technologies (like nuclear weapons) could be developed in secret are past. Some strange things are going to pop up out of nowhere. However the world is now so networked that the theory will be understood, and it will only be a matter of ‘how did they get it to work’?

          • Looks like the parrot does what it supposed to do in response time to get feel of control.
            Next time around you know exactly what to look fore, to get the right one.

            Yeah! it’s amazing sometimes reading old books and see where it all comes from. once i got a story about a woman called Ada Lovelace, strange story 🙂

            • Plymouth university just opened a new facility, housed in “The Babbage Building”. Charles Babbage (who lived in nearby who devised the a mechanical computer (the analytical engine) out of a project to produce a mechanical calculator (the difference engine) to produce error-free tables of logarithms used in Naval navigation.

              Neither ever quite got build – but in 1991 the British museum built a difference engine to the tolerances that were available to Victorian engineers – and it worked perfectly.

              Ada Countess Lovelace was a close friend of Babbage. She understood the idea of the analytical engine and suggested the first practical algorithm. The world’s first computer programmer (who only had virtual hardware to work with) was an English woman.

              It’s a fascinating historical study.

            • She was extremely abstract as i understand it. Only a few people knew what she was talking about he he

            • Ada was not only ‘programming’ a computer that only existed as a design (a little like playing chess in our head, but worse) she was also inventing the whole algorithmic approach to computing. That’s a lot to encompass with no pre-existing background whatsoever.

              She was a formidable intellect and earned recognition from the Geeks of later generations in the form of a high-level object-oriented computer language named after her – Ada.

            • yeah i know and the question is, why the h… did she do it and for what purpose. I guess the binary system was in place and they where making clocks with gears and handles, but now way to implement serial execution of instructions on a level where objects or decision-making where involved.

            • Because the idea (upon which physical science is based) that mathematics can not only describe reality, but also produce new insights into how it works, was just taking hold.

              To a very clever person who knew the likes of Babbage and was immersed in their intellectual and social world, a machine that could do the onerous calculations for you was very interesting indeed.

              We tend to see it all from the point of view of people who are used to the concepts involved in computing. We have to remember that these simply didn’t exist, then – and weren’t really formalised until Turing.

            • which is a reminder of how young our civilization is! Man don’t fall off the carousel, this is going fast! :-O

            • Well… how young the idea of Science is, and how recently it has amplified our power to act upon the world. The rate of change is now accelerating so, yes, we have to hang on.

    • Chee Chalker

      Pretty cool but yes also a little creepy
      And when they take over the world, we’ll be there to say ‘we told you so’

      • he he yes. then we can tell out kids – You see? and they will respond “Shut up your old fool”

  • Draco

    Just a quick “Fly-By” – I have no Internets at home 🙁 so can’t comment much.
    Love and miss you all…
    Dragon smooches XXX

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Get that Dragon’s Lair equipped soon!

    • Ann B Watson

      Hello Draco, I love your comments. Miss them too. ❤️

  • Jeb Burton

    Miscavige himself is meeting with city officials. Tell him to fuck off.

    • As far as I know that’s only happened once before (and if I’m wrong, it’s certainly not been very often).
      What does he want? Is he trying to get past a crucial part of some daft plan?

    • Quick empathy

      “He is a villian, sir. There’s no good left in him.” Samwise Gamgee talking about Gollum. LOTR. That’s Miscavige, although I’m not sure there was ever any good in him.

  • Fink Jonas

    Sound pretty much like the story about the “bowling green massacre”
    How about; ” a thetan isn’t very big, about one centimeter in diameter about two feet back of your head” then in another lecture the thetan appears to be a little gold ball inside the head “pretty soon the PC starts seeing this gold balls in his head and say hey what are these gold balls I see?” He sees several ones before realizing one of them is himself.

  • ithilien

    How could anyone read this or hear it, and believe him? all exes should have psych tests to pinpoint the characteristics that made them believers. because this shit is cray.

    • Ann B Watson

      I understand your point ithilien, nice to meet you. However no more psych tests for this ex. Security checking and listing for months was enough for me. As I have discovered after reading Jeff’s Truth Revealed list, If I had seen that before I signed that contract, I never would have. The ripples of that decision still impact today 43 years on. ❤️

      • TrishRan

        You definitely deserve a respite from being scrutinized.

        • Ann B Watson

          Thank you. Scrutinized is an excellent description. I can now laugh about most of it, but the criminal side of the cult is what I definitely dislike. Good to meet you. ❤️

          • TrishRan

            Nice to meet you, too! And glad you are enjoying your freedom.

            • Ann B Watson

              Thank you. 💫

      • ithilien

        a real psych test determines personality traits and is used in making diagnosis and treatment plans. it is not what a scilio member or ex might probably know about. Its far from a security check on half of a polygraph… theres a fundamental character trait or traits that permits this type of victimization. I’m curious as to what a real test would show. i don’t know if it would prevent other people from throwing their lives away, or even if such people could be helped and their involvement prevented, but as an investigation it might help deprogrammers.

    • TrishRan

      First, the idea that someone has to have something wrong to belong to something like COS doesn’t and cannot apply to people who were born into COS (or any other bizarre cult)

      All humans are vulnerable to being recruited into a group that will turn out to be counter to the person’s best interests and involves believing in things that reasonable people would see as detrimental to the members. The thing that makes an individual vulnerable is less about the individual characteristics of the person, and more about the times in life when one is kind of untethered, between phases, like after graduating school but before finding a job, or maybe when one has a crap job but is unsure of what to do that would be more satisfying; when someone is recently divorced, or suffered loss of a job, friend or some other thing important to that person. Also, a lot of cults prey on the idealism of people, especially young people. But even idealistic people are easier to recruit during those vulnerable intervals.

      Finally, groups that prey on people like this don’t tell them upfront about the negative aspects of membership – the wedge between the person and family, the exhausting schedule that leaves no time to think things through, putting the person in a position where protecting the group becomes more important than doing the right thing.

      If joining a group had a “truth in advertising” requirement, there would be a lot less of this.

  • TrishRan

    Some of these I would say are not so much stupid as evil, like the one about letting Ron, his father, die.