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A new document shows how much Scientology obsesses over every member’s status

 
Today’s story is about a court document. It’s the latest filing from the Church of Scientology which is attempting to keep a stay on the federal fraud lawsuit filed four years ago by a California couple, Luis and Rocio Garcia. We’ve kept you up on all the twists and turns in that case, but that’s not why we thought it was worth showing you what’s in the document.

What the church submitted seemed particularly interesting to us for what it says about how obsessive Scientology is about who is and who isn’t in “good standing” with the church.

You see, Scientology pretends that it’s a giant organization consisting of millions of members in tens of thousands of “groups” and churches around the world. Instead, it’s a tiny movement that, despite its shrinking numbers, is quick to kick people out for the slightest provocation, as you’ll see.

First, let’s quickly review where we are in the Garcia lawsuit. On December 30, we told you that the Garcias had made another attempt to convince Tampa Federal Judge James Whittemore that Scientology is making it impossible for them to resolve their claims under Scientology’s internal arbitration. Whittemore had granted a Scientology motion putting a stay on the lawsuit and forcing the Garcias to submit to Scientology’s brand of arbitration, which included each side choosing an arbitrator, who must be Scientologists in good standing.

The Garcias complained that each time they reached out to a Scientologist trying to recruit them as an arbitrator, Scientology’s “International Justice Chief,” a man named Mike Ellis, would inform them that the person they’d selected was actually not in good standing and couldn’t serve as an arbitrator. Ellis wanted the Garcias to select from a list of Scientologists he had turned over to them. But the Garcias refused, saying they didn’t want someone who was hand-picked by the church and therefore incapable of ruling freely on the matter.

This time, the Garcias said it was getting so bizarre, some of the Scientologists they’d reached out to didn’t even know they weren’t in good standing.

Scientology’s response to that allegation is the document we have for you today. We think it’s pretty educational.

To put it in some context, we wanted to remind you how much disagreement there is between the church and its former executives about just how big the Scientology movement is.

Scientology itself has long claimed to have many millions of members. We found a 1969 New York Times article where the church claimed 15 million worldwide membership. In the 1990s, we remember that church spokespeople routinely cited numbers like 6 or 8 million. But in a late 1990s deposition, church president Heber Jentzsch admitted under oath that such estimates counted every person who had ever bought a book or enrolled in a class since publication of the book Dianetics in 1950 (and even that was an exaggeration, we were assured by former church executives).

We noticed that several years ago Karin Pouw and other church mouthpieces got a lot less specific about the size of Scientology and usually today refer simply to “millions.” However, in 2012, Scientology did make one rather remarkable hard claim about how much Scientology was growing. In an ad that was airing early in 2012, Scientology claimed that it was attracting 4.4 million new people per year

 

 
At that rate of growth, just since 2012 there should be 22 million new members of Scientology. (For comparison, there are about 6.3 million Mormons in the U.S.)

Of course, those numbers are ludicrous.

Our most recent estimate of Scientology’s actual size comes from Paul Burkhart, the last high-level executive to defect from his job, in August 2013. Before he left, Burkhart worked at the Hollywood Guaranty Building (HGB), a nerve center for Scientology’s international management. Burkhart had daily access to enrollment documents coming in from “orgs” around the world. We asked him to estimate, based on those documents, how many active Scientologists are left in the world. He told us that his best estimate was between 10 and 20 thousand. (Other former executives told us that Scientology’s greatest size was about 100,000 active members around the year 1990. Scientology has never had millions of active members.)

And yet, even as Scientology shrinks, church leader David Miscavige isn’t shy about kicking out what remaining members he has for any number of perceived infractions. You’ve seen many examples of this in stories here or recited on Leah Remini’s A&E series or Alex Gibney’s documentary Going Clear. If you aren’t paying large sums of money for courses and for donations, if you aren’t applying the crucial policy “Keeping Scientology Working” to keep the “tech” pure, Scientology is quick to consider you a problem.

And that brings us to today’s document. The Garcias had attempted to reach out to several Scientologists, asking them to consider serving as an arbitrator. But in each case Scientology’s IJC, Mike Ellis, told them the person was not in good standing with the church — sometimes, the Garcias claimed, to the surprise of the person themselves!

So here’s how the church responded to that allegation. We’re less interested in the specific ways this addresses the Garcia lawsuit than the insight it gives us for how Scientology obsesses over each and every one of its few remaining members and whether they’re still doing what they should.

We’re posting the document itself, below, where these Scientologists are named publicly by the church. But we’ll hold back their names in our plain text passages from the document as a courtesy. (You can obviously look up those names on the document.)

Here’s what Scientology says about the first person the Garcias had reached out to, who turned out to be a classic malcontent!

He has not participated in the Scientology religion since 2001. In 2013, he wrote to a Church staff member: “I have absolutely no interest in pursuing future courses or auditing. Please cease all efforts, by you or anyone else, to contact me, as I will not communicate back after this e-mail. I do not want to receive e-mails, letters, phone calls, personal visits…” He further stated, “I will not be continuing with courses or auditing.” This amounts to public disavowal of Scientology. He was dead filed in April, 2015.

Ah yes. The former Scientologist who, 12 years after ending his participation, still cannot get the church to stop sending endless mailings and fliers and letters. You’ve all been there.

The second person had also made their feelings of disaffection known to the church…

[He] last participated in auditing no later than 2007, and has not participated in other Scientology services since 2009. He was dead filed in 2014. In June 2016, he told a Church staff member that he has no interest in attending Church services or advancing his studies of Scientology, thus disavowing the religion. Based on these facts, in August, 2016, the IJC informed plaintiffs that [he] was not in good standing.

In the case of the third person, Scientology actively sought out some answers about why they weren’t coming around. That’s not creepy or anything…

[He] has not participated in the Scientology religion since 2012. In December, 2015, he was interviewed by a Church official to determine why. [He] informed the official that he does not have any hope for spiritual gains within Scientology, and has disagreements with certain Church practices. According to written Scientology policy discussed above (Organization Suppressive Acts), he thus was not in good standing. The IJC therefore properly determined that he is not in good standing, pursuant to Scientology doctrine.

The next one is the best yet. This fellow got a warning that he was on thin ice for expressing dissatisfaction. And then, there’s a nice surprise…

In April 2015, the Ethics Officer at the Church of Scientology of Santa Barbara, where [he] undertook Scientology services, determined that [he] was ineligible to participate in religious services. [He] continued to express dissatisfaction and criticism with Scientology religious services to other parishioners. As a result, in early 2016, a Committee of Evidence determined that [his] activities were interfering with the religious services and spiritual progress of other parishioners, and issued an ethics order cautioning him against further such disruptive activity under penalty of being declared a Suppressive Person. As a result, he was not in good standing. To make matters worse, in May, 2016, [he] began posting, under a transparent pseudonym, a series of highly critical articles about the Scientology religion and ecclesiastical management on the blog of Mike Rinder, who is Garcia’s “legal consultant.”

Did you catch what happened there? Yes, the church, in this court document, just outed “Terra Cognita,” the author of numerous really insightful essays at Mike Rinder’s blog which did, indeed, begin showing up last May.

We reached out to this person and asked him how he felt about being unmasked in a court document.

“I’ve never seen anything in writing from the church, so I’m not sure what they’re suggesting. I would be happy to look at and comment on any evidence they sent to me,” he told us.

And finally, the last person the document describes is in an interesting situation. He works for a Scientologist-owned business, but that’s apparently OK, even though he’s not in good standing.

[He] has not actively participated in the Scientology religion since 2003. In March 2015, [he] was found to be ineligible for services based upon connections with individuals hostile to Scientology and for other reasons, which we must withhold for privacy reasons. He is not in good standing, as the IJC notified plaintiffs…That [he] works at a private company owned by a Scientologist is irrelevant. Church policy does not categorically prohibit private Scientologist businessmen from employing Scientologists not in good standing…

Looking at these descriptions, we can’t help getting the feeling that it really takes a lot of work to remain a Scientologist in good standing. It’s not enough to profess a general affinity for L. Ron Hubbard and his works. You need to be actively involved in getting services (and raise the money to pay for them).

But how can David Miscavige afford to “dead file” people in what seems like such a cavalier way, when Scientology’s size is dwindling?

Something’s gotta give, right?

Here’s the court filing itself…

 

Garcia v. Scientology: Response to Plaintiff's Renewed Motion by Tony Ortega on Scribd

 
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Scientology disconnection, a reminder

Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,662 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,259 days.
Sara Goldberg has not seen her daughter Ashley in 1,299 days.
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,011 days.
Marie Bilheimer has not seen her mother June in 478 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,596 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,766 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,086 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,061 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 417 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,719 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 826 days.
Skip Young has not seen his daughters Megan and Alexis for 1,228 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,101 days.
Lois Reisdorf has not seen her son Craig in 682 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,187 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,431 days.
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,540 days.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on February 13, 2017 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
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  • Missionary Kid

    This is beyond sad. Jerry Sandusky’s son Jeffrey arrested on child sexual assault charges. He’s an adopted son, like his brother Matt, who was one of Jerry’s accusers.

    http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/02/13/jerry-sanduskys-son-jeffrey-arrested-on-child-sexual-assault-charges/

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      A large number of child molesters where themselves sexually molested as children. And many of those start molesting as juveniles. It is beyond sad.

      • Missionary Kid

        Since Matt, his adopted brother, was one of the accusers, it seems reasonable to assume that Jeffrey was either molested or witnessed it.

  • Jgg2012

    OK, I have an idea. The Garcias claim that the solicitations to the Super Powers Building were fraudulent, i.e. there are no Super Powers. Scientology does not want anyone to know where Shelly is. No one else can arbitrate. Let’s ask Shelly to leave her body and arbitrate the hearing from a distance. If she can’t do that, then that proves that there are no super powers. If she can, there are (plus we know that Shelly is OK).

    • Dave Reams

      I have an idea! Why don’t the Garcias ask for Shelley (in person) as an arbitrator? Or Heber?

      The judge apparently thinks the Garcias signed a valid binding contract and wants them to submit to the terms of that contract, plus he is “generously” allowing them to select one arbitor. By asking for Shelley or Heber they would demonstrate their faith in the system by selecting a Scientologist of the very highest caliber and standing. Of course neither would possibly choose to interrupt their spiritual retreats to participate.

      I can’t figure out why Scientology is dragging their feet on this. They could accept Johnny Cochrane, Alan Dershowitz or the Angry Gay Pope as the Garcias choice and it would not change the outcome one bit – the arbitration is arbitrage and they ain’t gonna get a dime.

      • Jgg2012

        It’s not a bad idea. Look, they can’t say that she has been inactive (“continuing her work in the church”) or that she’s criticized the church. They don’t want to produce her. Heck, that may force them to settle.

        • Dave Reams

          If the Garcias really want to have fun then they could request Tom Cruise or Travolta – that would at least give them a chance for some media coverage – even as the stars decline to participate.

    • Missionary Kid

      The fraud was that they were not the only ones who paid for the $cientology double cross. It was “sold” multiple times.

      • Jgg2012

        Well, there were two frauds. 1. The building was going to deliver super powers, (which don’t exist) and 2. that they needed the Garcias’ money (as you point out, they didn’t).

        • Missionary Kid

          Yes, super powers are a fraud, but that’s not what they were suing about, because they would have to prove it, and $cientology would put them through the ringer to do so.

          The actual lawsuit is about being told that they were the ones who paid for the doublecross, when others did as well..

          • Jgg2012

            OK, but I still want Shelly to arbitrate. At least that way she will learn what her husband has been doing over 10 years.

            • Missionary Kid

              She won’t find out anything, and DM will just change her status, unless he can control her completely.

  • Jimmy3

    Wait, why was that deleted? Is this guy full of shit?

    • Observer

      Are you gaslighting us?

    • Tony Ortega

      I’m talking to him. Want to vet his claims a bit before letting him trash her like that here.

      • Jimmy3

        Thank you.

        • Tony, and his “truthiness”.
          Am I right?
          Sheesh.

          • Jimmy3

            You haven’t been right since 1969.

            • Yeah, but I was SO right then. About everything.
              It makes up for all the subsequent stupidity.
              Right?
              Right?
              Oh God, please tell me I’m right.

            • I shall take the meager number of upvotes as a vindication of my entire life.

            • I am repressing jokes about your genesis right now.

      • GoneToPlaid

        And that’s why Tony’s a real Journalist and not one of the talking head hacks seen on tv

        • Observer

          Or John Sugg

        • Please, his head’s big enough.
          He has to buy new hats every 6 months.

          • Sherbet

            Regardless, I’m waiting like Pavlov’s dog for “NEW POST UP”

            • Sure, me too.
              I’m a whore.
              We’re all whores, just quibbling about the price.

      • OOkpik

        If any of it is legit, publicly trashing his daughter’s mother like that is not likely going to get him any brownie points. WTF!

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          If you sell your kid for $3000 while the dad is away, you’ve probably pulled in whatever flack comes your way.

          • OOkpik

            True enough but the daughter doesn’t deserve the fallout. I hope none of it is true, for her sake.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Amen, brother 🙁

            • OOkpik

              Sister, LOL

          • flyonthewall

            I think that technically counts as a baby farm

          • Jimmy3

            *If* this is even true, it was probably an arranged adoption, and any money is merely reimbursement for medical care and costs of living while pregnant. That’s all quite standard and morally acceptable. As horrible as she may seem, I doubt she actually “sold” a child.

            • flyonthewall

              baby farm

            • Jimmy3

              You were born in a baby farm during a drought.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Against the father’ wishes? She’d have to claim she didn’t know who the father was, wouldn’t she? Otherwise he’d have to sign off on the adoption too, for it to be legal, right?

            • Jimmy3

              They weren’t married. The rights always defer to the mother.

            • (Always avoid “always”.)

            • Jimmy3

              Stop shorping me.

            • Oh my lord. That’s a thing now.

            • Kestrel

              Now?

            • No one tells me anything.
              Just say something for goods sake.

            • That seems reasonable.
              “If” it were “true”.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Sigh. Journalists. Fact whores. What you gonna do?

        • Sherbet

          I know. Dave and Dan Sherman never have to worry about stuff like accuracy.

        • He hasn’t got the memo yet.

  • Jo

    They absolutely make up shit, http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-northern-ireland/ never been, never existed.

  • Juicer77

    In spite of everything, my sympathies to Tom Cruise’s family. It’s a shame his mom had a granddaughter she missed out on seeing. And now she is out of chances.

    • All of these tragedies escape wider notice because they are so individualized,
      Yet its the world to those affected.

  • JJ

    4.4 million…? Verifiable, certifiable? Number needed to make up for people declared and removed from dwindling supply?

    • Sherbet

      There was a time years and years ago when I’d see an ad like that and think, “Well, they can’t lie about it if it isn’t true.” And I’m a never-in! Naive! Gullible! Yes!

  • Kim O’Brien

    Did anyone else see the report that Tom Cruse’s mom died ? ( i am prolly late to that news … )

    • Kim O’Brien

      duh . never mind .

      • Never mind what?
        Oh, never mind. I don’t get it.

    • Haven’t seen that yet.
      I wonder if he’ll be able to cry.
      1. He’s not really that good of an actor.
      2. His humanity (“reactive mind”) has long ago been removed.

    • Missionary Kid

      Tom’s been dead above the neck for years.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      yes, i’m sure tony will have a whole topic thread on the matter… guess i’m a cold wench, but i immediately thought of a number of things 1) will the cult lovebomb him (can they do it anymore then they have been doing 24/7 for 30 years and counting to “console” him ala travolta 2) will cruise and cultie sisters not even shed a tear because you know she the mother a cultie herself is immortal, so they’ll see her soon in one form or the other!… have to say in keeping with my “snarkiness” today with this information… did cruise and his mother show up at the stepfather her former husband’s funeral just a short while ago? NO!… from andrew morton’s book, jack south took the mother and tom and all the sisters in treated them like his flesh and blood and encouraged along with the mother tom’s career, even giving him a loan.. i have never heard anything about jack south that would warrant him being a bad guy, bad stepfather, bad husband..
      … flash forward a few years, mother becomes a cult members drops her long time friends and drops her husband without a thought because he (RIGHTFULLY!) didn’t agree with scientology and knew it was messed up and scam!… looks like mother took after her son, so i don’t know “sorry” i can feel for her passing! sorry if that sounds cold! and of course, let me not forget connor and bella didn’t show up for EITHER OF THEIR GRANDFATHER’S FUNERALS! both kidman and jack south!… NICE! (sarcasm!)…

      • JJ

        If she is re-bodying soon, better not come back as one of TC kids, she may never see him…

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Mary Sue’s gown was the hit of the Guardian’s Office Ball in 1974. Kuba told we in RTC that Joy Villa stole her idea from MSH.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8c89251a3f0f5cc3407999e582d3d7d180e044a9fa554b7876aefc230c8046d9.png

  • Today I am going to DDOS the Church of Scientology with my Raspberry Pi …….3

  • TooDangerous2

    The scientologists are all excited on FB about this scientology shill and her Trump dress: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fd2783a059b313b1ce3485c185e01aeec62771aaaaa76a4497f3a0812347273b.jpg

    • Stephanie Loving

      this made me wretch. The fact that this nobody has hussled worked-it in Scibot land and she gets RED CARPET time at the grammy’s? Well for one reason only … her horrible, and ridiculous, dress for TRUMP. Wonder if COB signed off on the outfit. So ugh … it’s depressing. And she’s just so punchy radiant proud. ick.

      • daisy

        This is no reason to be depressd. It was a foot bullet that will bite her in the ass she loves so much, I prefer Johnny*s

    • flyonthewall

      what’s the lady doing with the sheet? Did she take it off of Joy like a piece of furniture she found in the attic? Maybe Joy was pretending to be a ghost and she was like, nope not on my red carpet.

    • aurora50

      Greta just gave her a shout-out on her MSNBC show…
      (no mention of the cherch)

    • I still can’t understand why she was there at all.
      She has done nothing.
      I guess I could buy a Nobel Prize too.
      Someone, anyone, tell me why or how she was there in the first place.
      Other than some Scientology bribery.
      Got anything?
      She has NO book.

      • It’s Kardashian Tech, with Scientology twist.

      • Observer

        She was there because there were cameras.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Funny enough, I find the woman pulling the “reveal” cloth to be the real hard-working, dedicated, competent, probably most conversationally coherent person between the two of them (not counting security in the background)

      • Observer

        She looks like she smells something bad.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      White House Press Secretary and Communications Director Sean Spicer was at the Grammy’s at the President’s request. Had there been an adverse reaction to the Trump dress, Sean Spicer would have scolded the media.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aa39e8671d70582c38a97ba9ef095cb2a02fa893608896fb9fd50b40bf59dac4.png

      • daisy

        Applying in person for his next job , speaking for another lying Princess.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Protip: Be sure to wear a Trump dress to your interview.

  • Kestrel

    O/T: Both Hemet, CA and San Jacinto, CA are forecast to receive 2 inches of rain from Friday through Sunday. Unincorporated areas north of these cities should expect similar results.

  • Observer

    This evening’s Camelot Castle Hotel exposé is in photographic form. I couldn’t make the scrolling arrows go away.

    ETA: holy moly that’s huge if you click on it!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/009a560b890a3593e1463378173a521e5b1366fce9b426397aeb7efeb4cd8b4d.jpg

    • is that a flying table?

    • Kestrel

      I wonder how long that cotton swab has been sitting on the window sill.

      • i was wondering if it was provided at no charge or if that’s considered an additional upgrade option

        • Looks like you need it to open the window

          • Observer

            Haha!

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      EWWWWWWWWWW!

    • Frodis73

      *laugh cry* It took me a minute to find the cotton swab. I wonder if that came free w/ the room or was there an extra charge. I love that this guy thinks he is trumps equivalent. I hate trump, but I do know he would not run a dump like Camelot.

      • AntoniaW

        So far Mappin’s Cunning Plan (which is of course to have Trump visit the lunatic asylum on our Cornish cliffs) has, not surprisingly, failed to come anywhere near fruition. Whatever you may think of Trump, he ain’t a total klutz, and any of his staffers could have googled Mappin + fraud and – ahem – dead-filed him. Oooh, I do like this new term – dead-file. Must use it more often.

        • Perhaps Mappin should tell him that Camelot Castle is an annex of the Houses of Parliament (where Trump is not welcome) and that he could save face by addressing the guests there, instead.

          He might just fall for it, if he was told before his staff had a chance to head him off…

    • AntoniaW

      I can’t resist responding to this by copying another extract from the disturbing and hilarious emails that Mappin sent me last April, when I had the temerity to call him out in the local press for his Trump “knighthood”: it includes some hints on his philosophy as an hotelier:-

      “…A Camelot Castle Knighthood is quite bonafide….The Noble Order of Camelot Castle dates back many years and we have been been ennobling beings in recognition for their Noble Deeds for quite sometime.

      In fact our recent ennoblement of Sir Donald Trump and his family, probably due to the fact that it was read about in the media or seen on the television by at least 25 million viewers, has resulted is several local West Country landowners and European nobles, some of whom I am sure you may know personally, sincerely enquiring as to exactly what they need to do to qualify for a Camelot Castle Knighthood.

      We will continue to recognise the nobility of beings that do noble acts and I am sure you will hear all about the new Camelot Castle Knighthoods that we grant.

      The event has also resulted in the launch of Camelot Castle TV Network which you can read about here.

      https://www.facebook.com/john.mappincamelotcastle/posts/10153363270266277

      http://www.prweb.com/releases/2016/04/prweb13328923.htm

      We acquired the property which we rebranded as Camelot Castle to have as a home in late 1999…but shortly after that we decided that as one does not really need sixty five bedrooms for ones personal use in ones private home, to open up some of the rooms and to allow guests to stay.

      While it is run by our private household and family staff and is quite informal, people love it. It is also more fun that way.

      By all accounts Camelot Castle is a quite different experience than staying in any other hotel, but when I last checked, being different is not against the law yet… and long may that be the case….

      The best way to think of it, that might help you, is that Camelot Castle is really a sort of, “Downton Abbey for Everyman”, concept …. we are currently restoring the property back to and probably well beyond its Victorian glory…working with local and international artisans to remain faithful to the listing and the original aesthetic.”

      Well, we all know how that worked out.

      • Robert Eckert

        “Camelot Castle is a quite different experience than staying in any other hotel” I have to grant him that.

        • Kestrel

          I’ve stayed in some real dumps on my motorcycle trips. The difference? They charge like they’re dumps.

      • What a condescending [expletive deleted]. Mappin and his cronies are the aristocracy and we (if we serve them well) can rise to the level of honest artisans.

        They even deign to be ‘informal’. I expect commoners like me might not be required to remove our caps and fall silent when one of ‘the quality’ enter the room. How gracious.

        The building they occupy was built as a railway hotel for a branch line that was ripped up years ago. It was never a great example of Victorian architecture – in fact, it verged on ‘theme park’ tackiness.

        The one thing we can agree upon is that the place is in dire need of restoration.

  • someone is giving lumendatabase.org a runaround. (only for nerds and Doxxers)

    • iampissed

      Not going to do it.

  • Observer

    Friend recommendation I just got from Facebook.

    Go home, Zuckerberg. You’re drunk.

    (Cinquanta is a dirty former cop turned sleazy PI who has worked for Scientology.)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9daa01774b12f53c5ee77c32cbf799d73e97346567c4862f1c3a0467ccb74a3e.jpg

    • Kestrel

      Hey, girl!

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Observer

      She seems to consider herself a Renaissance woman. She did tattoos for awhile–she had pics on FB, but they’re gone now. Her work wasn’t horrible, but it wasn’t great either. There’s the singing, of course, the recent bikini competitions, the vegan fitness guruness, and, um, painting (from her Facebook).

      I could admire her willingness to put her work out there, people’s opinions be damned, if she weren’t so nakedly (no pun intended) attention seeking. Oh, and the Scientology crap.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3342de761b8240199424292fa2b235f4aed43e59a9e4c86cbc4b963157fe272d.jpg

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Is that a self portrait of her?

        • Observer

          Snort!

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Just going by the teeth, I’d say it is LRH!

          • daisy

            See now i thought going by the teeth it is Jim Mather*s fangs

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              What a choice, huh? Those two are the stuff of nightmares!

      • beauty for ashes

        gross. I would throw that out and start over.
        I would feel weird that I created it and never want to see it again. maybe burn it.

      • flyonthewall

        oh well, I didn’t need to have good dreams 2nt

      • Missionary Kid

        Title: Hubbard Came Back Transgender.

  • nottrue

    Thorsten does math like Scientology… .. https://twitter.com/overgaard/status/831231772004380672

    • Frodis73

      I wondered if her new found fame will encourage him to start his Leica photography scam again. He has a whole new net of fresh victims he can rake over the coals.

    • flyonthewall

      imaginary numbers are a real thing, srsly, look it up

      eta – it sounds weird, like how can an “imaginary” number be real? That makes no sense. But it does, that’s the thing.

      • beauty for ashes

        one is the loneliest number

        • flyonthewall
          • beauty for ashes

            I love will arnett
            this is awesome
            legos makes it transcendant
            good music choices.
            ps, I had hoped you were going to send me something lego. lego magnolia perhaps?

      • kemist

        They’re useful when you manipulate things like Laplace transforms, makes calculations easier.

        • flyonthewall

          I have a very informed opinion on this and I wholeheartedly agree

        • Kestrel

          Is the manipulation of a Laplace transform anything like a touch assist?

          • kemist

            It’s like getting a touch assist by some pervert from another dimension on your brain.

            At first you feel like your brain is forced to do unholy things it’s not meant to.*

            The scary part though is that you somehow end up finding it normal.

            * Laplace / Fourier transforms allow you to do calculations in physics in the frequency domain. Now, if that sounds like gibberish, that is completely understandable.

            • Kestrel

              Got it. Laplace / Fourier transforms: It’s only kinky the first time.

      • Robert Eckert
        • Missionary Kid

          Hobbes speaks with the arrogance of $cientology.

        • lol – they get funnier the older i get!

        • Arthur Pewtie

          Calvin and Hobbes are never not appropriate.

      • “Google” is a imaginary number and its HUGE!

    • beauty for ashes

      “the Danish donkey ” throsten ocergaard. <oops spelled his name wrong who cares! throwshim overboard!

      • beauty for ashes

        Now how in the hell did I do THAT?

        • Robert Eckert

          Angle brackets are dangerous because Disqus thinks it is HTML code and spazzes trying to parse what is inside (I call the result “hatemail”)

          • Kestrel
            • Robert Eckert

              without spaces:

          • beauty for ashes

            Thank you Robert. You always have such a patient and kind way about explaining things to us not so tech savvy folks. Hey, say a prayer for my Dad. we should be getting some results on some tests. After he had the stroke, they found what they called a “cloud ” in his frontal lobe. I’m hoping for some positive news. He is very depressed that he can no longer drive.
            Meanwhile my Mom has surpassed me in health and energy again! she is driving cooking cleaning, even doing these complex mandala coloring books I bought. I’ll wake up and she’ll say look what I did, and open the book. Surprise! I can’t be mad though she seems to have a talent and it helps her. I bought her a Dowton Abbey one, although it won’t come out until june or july.
            I hope you are coping well with however your parental situation is. 🙂

            • Robert Eckert

              Mom loves those difficult coloring books too. Sorry about your Dad. Mine doesn’t get out of bed at all anymore and hardly can speak or eat. Sometimes he is in pain and the nurses give him morphine which Mom doesn’t care for but there aren’t many good options at this point.

    • Before that, the sales where 0.00018%

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      News tomorrow: Joy Villa’s album sales drop by 18,106,633%

      • From 0?
        What the fuck “album” are you talking about?

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Same freckin’ album Thorsten is talking about. I’m not OT VIII – I can’t read minds.

      • outraged

        She is doing this for the publicity and is a closeted Obama supporter.

  • iampissed

    I think my Siri is dating Disqus….I don’t approve.

    • beauty for ashes

      One is sooo much smarter than the other though? it won’t last. Disqus is a serious gaslighter.

      • iampissed

        Well I have a cracked screen, so Siri is coming from a broken background.
        ETA…I guess that no one will date me…..except my MC1R.

    • Add Alexa and we’ll have a 3/4 way.

  • flyonthewall
    • iampissed

      Well mixed.

  • flyonthewall

    I was at this show! I was right up front next to the singer on the right but you never see me, thank God.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B2FYG9hsUk

    • Frodis73

      That would have been cool to see you there though.

      • flyonthewall

        nobody needs to see my dumb ass rockin out

        • Observer

          Sure we do

          • flyonthewall

            it’s pretty much regular me but just swaying to and fro in various levels of intensity

        • Frodis73

          I don’t know dude, I think I would dig it…and probably join you!

    • iampissed

      Well if I don’t see you, what they said down thread. Hell you got a post.

  • Frodis73

    John Oliver is back to make us laugh.
    This was good and he sums up how most of us feel about the state of things currently.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xecEV4dSAXE

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • flyonthewall

      grooan

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        #SaveDatPoorMonkey

    • Kestrel

      A match made in Arslycus.

    • daisy

      This makes me so sad.. When i was hospital nursing I took great pride in the fact that I could give anyone , any medication by any route. I have a healthy dog who has had 2 doses of her sister*s antibiotics. I cannot get medicine down a 5 lb dog without tackling her like a football and that is after I catch her. Oh yeah and last night I was hand feeding the sick one and gave my mother my mom kibble. ( probably more nutritious than she has been eating. ) Someone should be calling PETA on me. Wild animals should never be raised domestically.

      • ReallyMGM

        Call any animal welfare group other than PETA or HSUS. They are just as big of scam as COS unfortunately. Donations to PETA and HSUS do not go to shelters, just more fundraising (and storage in off shore accounts). Donate and volunteer for your local shelter. Know where the funds go.

        Article about PETA’s only shelter…and their defense of the high “euthanasia” rate.
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/05/pets-shelter-euthanization-rate_n_6612490.html

        • daisy

          I cannot hear or watch anything that has to do with animals It hurts my heart to much. I volunteered at a no-kill animal shelter because just dropping off food made me cry at the Humane Society . I also think the aspca does good work

          • ReallyMGM

            There is plenty to do without seeing sadness! My local shelter is fabulous. It is technically not no-kill (but all adoptable dogs/cats are kept until adopted or go to rescue organizations after appropriate time). I have seen them find long term fosters/homes for hard cases. I give to them.
            My shelter is always looking for volunteers to come play with kittens and throw balls for the dogs. It helps with their socialization, and they are adopted faster. (And they get some basic training!)
            I give to my local kennel club’s drive for K9 duty vests for the Sherrif’s dept.
            I give to the local Therapy dog group that goes to hospitals, schools and libraries.
            I foster for my local shelter since I know how to hand raise puppies, kittens (and birds) from day 1.
            I volunteered for my city’s weekend-long dog fair (show, trials, health clinics, meet the breeds, trick classes).
            I volunteered as a teacher for city’s public beginning dog obedience classes.
            I want to know that my donation is for a good cause and is used for something other than an executive’s vacation in the Bahamas.

            But I won’t give a dime to PETA or HSUS. Their activists have shown up at too many dog shows over the years and released dogs from kennels. And worse… Animal lovers deliberately hurting animals.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thank you ror all you do, as well as for the information.

    • Frodis73

      Oh gawd. This makes me so mad on so many levels.This pretentious shit probably shouldn’t have a pet rock let alone a real, living, breathing one. That poor monkey. Rich idiots with more$ than sense adopting pets they have no business with. ARGH!!

      • John Prince

        Sounds like a wanna-be justin beaver …
        yet another scibot “cèlebitchy” whom I was blissfully unaware of 🙈
        he should stroke his own monkey and leave Animals alone.
        Hope he gets bitten / attacked by his new Toy

        • John Prince

          ..who IS this little puke-stain that calls himself the God,anyway?
          some rich scio-brat whose hobby is playing Rock-star ?

    • KUBA Ka “The Ape” -?

    • Joe

      You know he’s gonna try and make that poor thing as hairless as he is.

      • Sherbet

        I hope he doesn’t try to make the poor thing SING.

  • Jimmy3

    Kellyanne, where is our baby??? And more importantly, where is the space in your name????

    • daisy

      In her head .

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Is it a magical monkey baby? If so, then I think I might know where it is…

    • outraged

      She gave it away to charity.

    • iampissed

      Don’t know where you found that.

    • Missionary Kid

      Alfred E. Newman looks better than the idiot he becomes in the meme.

    • John Prince

      Diceman, You’re an Artist 🎨🎭

  • Liberated

    The first of trump’s team to resign… National security adviser, Michael Flynn.

    • Missionary Kid

      I hope he gets prosecuted for lying.

      • Liberated

        Me too.

      • daisy

        He will not , Pence will say it was a mistake.He was not commiting perjury.

      • Robert Eckert

        He hasn’t spoken under oath about this (yet).

        • Missionary Kid

          If you’re talking to an officer of the law conducting an investigation, and you lie, you can be charged with obstruction, IIRC.

          • Robert Eckert

            Pence and Spicer were not officers of the law or conducting investigations. Somebody will be conducting an investigation soon, though, and it will be interesting to see how Flynn handles it then.

            • Missionary Kid

              I was under the impression that he was questioned by officers of the law. I may well be wrong. In any event, he’s broken laws.

            • Robert Eckert

              I hadn’t heard that, but it might be so.

    • Robert Eckert

      I was just about to post this. My bet: he only talked to Russia about the sanctions because Trump told him to. This is like Nixon pretending he didn’t know what Chuck Colson was up to.

      • Liberated

        Yep

        • daisy

          Colbert on fire tonight

          • Liberated

            I know…don’t ya love it?

          • Missionary Kid

            I’ll get to see him in 2 1/2 hours. I TIVO him every night, so I’ll see it. Thanks.

            • daisy

              If you like current political humor Seth Myer is the best of all of them. He is every bit as good as John Oliver

            • Missionary Kid

              His opening monologues have a high standard. They are as good, if not better than his SNL Weekend Update ones. I often TIVO his show, too, then watch it when I wake up too early for the morning’s Bunker. (I read it at 4 am).

            • Ella Raitch

              Wasn’t ware of that – thought he was another celebrity bum sniffer

            • daisy

              He excoriates Trump on a regular basis . He devotes most of his monolgue to him, but stick around for his * a closer look. For a real treat look up his Washington Press dinner. He burned Trump so bad at that. Trump was furious Many people believe he decided to run for the president that night. Seth has apologised to America for it.. He mostly uses his own words to make the funnies .

            • Ella Raitch

              Colbert was great last night

            • Missionary Kid

              He was great tonight. After Trump called the president of Nigeria, Seth said, “I just pray that before Trump called, someone told him how to pronounce Nigeria.”

          • Ella Raitch

            Cool…

          • Missionary Kid

            His takedown of Stephen Miller was great. After Miller promised to appear anywhere on any show, Colbert issued the challenge to appear on his show, and if he didn’t appear, Colbert said he’d call Miller a liar, and if he did show up, Colbert said he’d call him a liar to his face.

      • Dave Reams

        Or George HW Bush pretending he didn’t know what the little rascals Ollie, Spunky McFarland, Pointy, and Fawny were up to.

    • Missionary Kid

      The good news is that because it was a foreign call, the NSA probably has recorded it. The bad news is that he, as well as some of the NSC and Trump are pro-Russia.

      It is rumored that some spies aren’t reporting information on Russia, because it may be leaked to Russia, outing operatives.

    • Ella Raitch

      It’s a start….

      • Liberated

        Check out “Dan Savage” he has t-shirts and buttons for sale…..ITMFA.

        impeach-the-mother-fu___r-already. I want one so bad!

    • Ella Raitch

      You had to figure he was gone from the moment Kellyanne commented he had “the full support of the president”

    • JJ

      I told you guys not to worry…at this rate… Be lookin’ at months not four years. When that Miller kid goes, if he is interested in expanding his front porch of infinity, he could become the next disgraced mouth piece for CofS?

  • iampissed
    • Ella Raitch

      I say this quite regularly and get people trying to correct me.

      *No I mean exactly what I said*

      I also like an expression I picked up somewhere “A quick meeting’s a fast meeting” – google “irony” eejit!

      • Jimmy3

        *idiot

        • Ella Raitch

          That’s now what Bobby says

    • John Prince

      You May 👊✌
      Groucho had a point there ..
      I refuse to join any club that would only steal my hard-earned Money 💵

    • JJ

      “If you think this country is messed up now just wait till I get through with it.”

  • Gus_Cox

    Mike Ellis. What an asshole.

  • Mac

    Does the passing of T Cruise’s mother help Tom break with Scientology in any way?

    • According to LRH – Thetan’s don’t have any relatives…so the answer to this must be No!

  • Sarah James

    It would be nice if the Garcias could sue everyone that helped to scam them. Start with the first person who said ” hey, you want to buy this cross…” And everyone who called them over this cross scam and it all leads up to the top little guy.
    David ” let him die” Miscavige the smart move would be to settle and settle fast. You will never have the Garcias on a leash like someone else we know.

  • Fink Jonas

    So being in good standing mean being under the Scientology spell, which prevents you to think equitable against anything or anyone, due to the US vs them mentality and indoctrination, Scientology need to define to the court what is “in good standing” , also a scientologist in good standing will NEVER speak to an ex-scientologist not in good standing so scientology will NEVER produce a FAIR arbitrator but the court doesn’t know that.

    • Jimmy3

      But why you gotta fink on them?

  • WOG with Attitude

    Scientology up to their old tricks, fairgaming a critic on Twitter with threatening DM.
    Refresh
    Pass it on
    People should see what this “church” is really all about!
    Oh, we figure this is John Alex Wood or one of his silly cronies. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9a6dc0d539fae88924dc97aeeceb758982f67b4ef23a292068268dce8e4a7fb0.jpg

    • Jimmy3

      Seems like someone trolling you.

      • WOG with Attitude

        Not me. But one of the critics who wants to remain anonymous.

        We think it might be Michael Wilde or one of John Alex Wood’s pathetic gang.

  • Juicer77

    Welcome, lurkers and newbies and under-the-radars. Grab a spot on the bunkersofa. Coffee will finish brewing shortly…
    Off-topic but cheerful – a group from my church arrived safely at a town in Guatemala where we have a long-term relationship sponsoring the school. They brought donated medical and personal supplies and spent the first few hours meeting with everyone to find out how they are doing and what the needs are going forward. They also took small personalized care packages to the children. Good times.

  • madame duran