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Tonight on ‘Leah Remini’: Aaron Smith-Levin on how families get so screwed up in Scientology

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We first learned the horrible disconnection story of the Smith family when we traveled to Clearwater in 2012. We told our Village Voice readers about the terrible decision that Gayle Smith was forced to make, but back then, we couldn’t reveal Gayle’s name.

We were able to describe how, like so many other Scientologists, she had “disconnected” from a loved one — in this case, her son Collin, who had rejected Scientology and was working to expose it — because she felt it was actually good for him. But then he had died in a car accident, and she would never get to reconnect with him again.

Later, we were able to tell Gayle’s story more plainly, but we still held back — her son Aaron Smith-Levin, Collin’s twin, wasn’t ready to be quoted on the record.

Since then, Aaron became a regular contributor here at the Underground Bunker with his series of videos, Growing Up In Scientology. And tonight, Aaron gets center stage in Leah Remini’s newest episode of Scientology and the Aftermath.

We asked Aaron for his thoughts about doing the episode, and the journey he’s taken to get there…

Doing this episode was very hard for me. It was harder than I expected.

It had been my goal to tell my story when I started the YouTube channel, Growing Up in Scientology. I tried to tell parts of the story a few times, but couldn’t get through it without breaking down. Since I wasn’t comfortable putting that content up on the channel, we’d always end up recording something else instead. I ended up at a bit of an impasse; wanting to tell my story in as positive a way as possible, but not being able to get through it. The irony is that I tend to look back on my time in Scientology with mostly rose-colored glasses. In my interview videos you won’t hear me do much complaining. I tend to feel like others have gone through much worse than me. For example, I never did the RPF. Life has turned out very well for me, and I tend to focus on the positive aspects and memories…and yet here I’m often not able to get through telling simple stories.

Well, I decided to give it a shot on Leah’s show. The trust I had in Leah and Mike to focus on what’s important is what made it possible for me to get through it. Looking back on it, it seems like it was two days of mostly ugly crying, but it probably wasn’t quite that bad. Hopefully the editing will be kind.

My goal in doing the show was to say, “This is what can happen to your family if you get involved in Scientology”. We were not the exception. We were the rule. There are so many families that have been torn apart as a result of their involvement in Scientology. Scientologists justify disconnection as being a temporary thing; something that will exist until the other gets their ethics in. But death makes disconnection even more sinister.

The impact this show has been having in my area has been incredible. I’ve gotten texts and emails from many, many “Scientologists” in the Clearwater area saying they’re hooked on the show and rooting for it to keep succeeding. These are people still in good standing with the Church. I suspect the Church has no clue how many of its “members” are hanging around the fringes because they’d rather not lose family, but otherwise, would be long gone by now.

At this point, if I were the Church, I’d probably be paranoid that anyone who is not on course each week is under-the-radar and disaffected. That’s a LOT of people. Something tells me that life is about to get harder for local “Scientologists” who are not on course.

I’ve heard from other former Scientologists who have never been declared, who hadn’t wanted to speak publicly before, but after watching a few episodes decided they wanted to lend their voice to informing the public about the harm Scientology does to families.

In one of Leah’s episodes she mentioned wanting to expose abuse of children. After she said that, people have started coming forward with stories that have not been heard before. Scientology should be very worried. The show is doing a great service, and I’m glad I could participate in it.

— Aaron Smith-Levin

 
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Mike Rinder is explaining Scientology masterfully

Former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder uncorked another pitch-perfect essay today to help newcomers understand how Scientologists find it so easy to lie.

A couple of days ago, he posted another mini-masterpiece with his definitive guide to why you can’t be Christian and a Scientologist or Jewish and a Scientologist. We’ve been explaining that not long after you join Scientology you are asked to give up “other practices,” and that L. Ron Hubbard is heard on a 1968 tape saying “There was no Christ.” But Rinder really puts together all of the Hubbard writings to show how you have to give up everything else to “Keeping Scientology Working.”

In both of these pieces, Rinder shows you the Hubbard policies that spell out what is guiding Scientologists. We highly recommend them, and we’ll be forwarding people to these essays for a long time, we have a feeling.

 
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The Best of the Underground Bunker, 1995-2016 Just starting out here? We’ve picked out the most important stories we’ve covered here at the Undergound Bunker (2012-2016), The Village Voice (2008-2012), New Times Los Angeles (1999-2002) and the Phoenix New Times (1995-1999)

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

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Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Tony Ortega

    Pat Harney in action!

  • Phil McKraken

    Got to love an official spokesperson who can’t say their own name on camera.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Oh, shattering in action!

  • iampissed

    Dox…please

  • Joe

    Nice try, Pat!

    • gtsix

      Don’t you know your own name?

      Fuck off Pat.

      • Joe

        Pretty sure official spokespersons should be capable of self-identification.

  • Under the Radar

    Please – continue your creepy, crazy ways Scientology. No one can kill your cult faster than yourselves.

  • Observer

    Encounter near Flag with sketchy Pat Harney who wouldn’t give the producer her name. Now the crew is being followed. Leah warning them of what’s to come in the form of harassment.

    • daisy

      You don*t know your name ? Hahaha

    • Ella Raitch

      a w e s o m e

    • Joe

      Yeah, you’re such effin’ badasses Scientologists who can’t even give their own name. Like WTF?

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Believe it’s Harney, not Harey. She just admitted she didn’t know something, who he was. Liar!

      • Observer

        Yeah, that was autocorrect. I fixed it.

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Oh, I sure know about those things. Happens often with me.

  • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

    Next week preview…

  • EDN/laineybin

    There he is!1

  • Joe

    Tony!

  • Tony Ortega

    Hey, that looked like your proprietor.

    • Supper Powers

      They kept billing tonight’s episode as the finale. Glad to finally see you on here!

    • K2P2(KnitNut)

      handsome devil!

      • gtsix

        FLIRT! πŸ˜‰

        • You jelly? πŸ™‚

        • K2P2(KnitNut)

          you betcha! ;^)

  • madame duran

    I SEE TONY!

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    TO and Sweeney next week!

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        That caption on Sweeney’s bald pate warms my heart. He still has one of my favorite lines of all time. On study tech teaching you how to use a dictionary: “Yeah, you open the fucking book.”

        • beauty for ashes

          He has SOOO many! haaaa! I’m gonna have to watch him on youtube again. **scratches brain** oh~ you were not there… at the beginning of the… interview!

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Right? He’s second in my heart only to Ebner.

    • gtsix

      Wait… I didn’t see that. Mine just cut off.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        EE capped it for you below…

        • gtsix

          I pay good money for cable, and I got denied Mr. Tomato man! This will not stand!

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            That’s why you should always steal it. ; )

            • gtsix

              Oh, you are definitely dc. (Bows to the wisdom)

  • MaxLuvsDaBunk

    oh Aaron and family ~ thank you for all you have given to help so many. I am so sorry for your losses. My heart is with you.

  • FredEX2

    It can’t be over! That seemed like 20 minutes!

    • gtsix

      No kidding, that went so quick!

  • chukicita

    Proprietor sighting!

    • April

      My daughter was watching the show with me. I nudged her and excitely said,”that’s Tony Ortega!” She said, “who?” Then I had to explain journalist, Village Voice, the Bunker, etc. She’s still a kid, but she readily grasped that tearing families apart is incredibly wrong.

  • gtsix

    WTF, A&E, don’t cut off the following story!

  • Gerard Plourde

    Next episode our proprietor. Can’t wait.

  • DoveAlexa
    • Newiga

      Block tech! So predictable. Kirstie’s stats are up.

      • ReallyMGM

        You wear that block as a badge of honor!

  • Aaron Smith-Levin

    OK!

    • SNAFU

      Bravo, sir.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        “Scientology Normal: All Fucked Up!” ?

        • PerpetualOutflow

          ^^^

        • SNAFU

          Exactly.

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      oh Aaron and family ~ I so appreciate you all for all that you have given to help so many. I am so sorry for your losses. My heart is with you.

    • gtsix

      Ya done damn good kid. Thank you. And I am so sorry for your loss.

      Do you have a connection to your dad?

    • Newiga

      Thank you for sharing such a tragic yet important story with the world. You are so brave, Aaron.

    • OK! hugs.

    • daisy

      It was so poingnant and moving . The sad truth is. It will help. You did a good thing. (( hugs ))

      ETA – plus you are really cute and camera friendly.

    • jazzlover

      Great job Aaron. No shame at all in crying. So sorry for your losses.

    • You were amazing. So real. I know how tough it is. Thanks so much for doing this.

    • Sherbet

      Here’s a giant Bunker-sized group hug for you.

    • Ella Raitch

      Well done Aaron. I was gutted just reading the liveblog and twitter – plus I know a lot of the tory already. The addition of the dog story was crazy genius. Please be kind to yourself, and be proud of yourself, as I’m sure your brother would be. And cuddle those kids, just because you can!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Man, if you go to Denver in June, the Bunker is gonna wrap you up in the biggest, squeeziest bear hug in history. You slayed us all tonight.

    • EDN/laineybin

      Well done Aaron. I can only imagine how tough this was and you were amazing.

    • Xenu’s son.

      Thanks Aaron.You are helping for my son and me to be reunited.

  • Almost hit the 6K mark, but 5.5K is not bad – Thats a lot of tweets https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/04b2e9a248e81813a62eca6f6d57cae909d0983b4423562722c52969e03d8081.png

  • Narapoid

    Aaron, thank you for sharing that profoundly difficult experience for you and your family. This is going to help people.

    Leah, Mike and the folks at A&E with the guts to do this, bless you!

    • PerpetualOutflow

      ^^^^^ Such a moving episode that opens a window through which the intense, real-life pain and utter destruction caused by $cientology is in full view. If you judge a tree by its fruit, this one is utterly rotten.

  • lori banister

    This was one of the saddest things I have ever seen. I am so sorry Aaron and Gayle. RIP Collin.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Thanks EE and everyone for the great live feed of the show.

    And thank you Aaron, for making it count. Kudos.

    • I missed a bit of the dog story because I was laughing so hard.

      • Narapoid

        Thank you for the screen shots, they are greatly appreciated!

  • RexAinsfree

    I think my dog is going to write me up because I just watched Leah’s show!

    Just kidding; my dog has been an SD (Supressive Dog) for years πŸ˜‰

    (couldn’t resist)

  • Narapoid
    • DoveAlexa

      I hope he seals the deal by punching a cop.

  • Illinoisian

    Thanks to all of you! Can’t wait to see this powerful episode. The descriptions, screenshots and reports from the Twitterverse made it an exciting hour. Each episode is taking it to a higher level of interest for viewers. I hope that in the next 24 hours there are many reconnecting after hearing this story. Surely there are many for whom the mental walls will crack and the need to talk to a family member will overcome the fear.

  • Aaron Smith-Levin

    It seems new people are adding me on Facebook faster than Scientologists can delete me.

    • Sherbet

      Scientology expanding exponentially? No, your FB friends.

    • Ha. Good.

    • Narapoid

      I laughed so hard it hurt!!!

    • Ella Raitch

      You need to set up a facebook account for the dog

      • gtsix

        Texts from Aarons dog. I’ll subscribe!

    • Tony Ortega

      They’re all OSA.

      • Sherbet

        One of them is Pat Harney, though.

      • Aaron Smith-Levin

        You got me there! Laughed out loud.

  • Sean Rowe – “To Leave Something Behind”

    “I cannot say that I know you well
    But you can’t lie to me with all these books that you sell
    I’m not trying to follow you to the end of the world
    I’m just trying to leave something behind”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSgnC5eQ5u0

  • K2P2(KnitNut)

    Thank you for live blogging comments and Eivol for the pictures. Will be looking forward to seeing the show on YouTube in a few days. Night night

  • Ella Raitch

    This about captures the mood I picked up from twitter tonight. Not sure how others felt, but it felt to me that the volume of tweets was way up on last week (going by the numbers of tweets that accumulated when I was flicking back and forth from the Bunker – about double!)
    https://twitter.com/AmberKahwaji/status/816495862557741057

    • Chocolate Velvet

      It certainly seemed to me that there was more volume this week. I got a lot more interaction with people tonight than I have before on this series. Interest is picking up. Perhaps the reruns they do during the week have gotten more people tuning in for the new show Tues nights.

      • Ella Raitch

        People maybe caught up over Christmas/New Year

    • Dibythesea

      It reached #2 on trending topics. Should have taken a pic:( I’ll go sit in the corner now

      • DoveAlexa

        What was #1?

        • Dibythesea

          Some wrestling thing

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Jimmy Snuka? (I was a wrestling fan as a kid.)

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Superfly!

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              He was my fave. I tried to imitate him once, jumping off my desk onto my bed. I broke my bed. But for about 3 glorious seconds, I was a champ. ; )

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Awesome! Livin’ the dream.

      • Ella Raitch

        The highest I have seen previously was 4

  • Chocolate Velvet

    This latest episode was excellent. The whole series has done such a fantastic job of crafting these stories into “good TV”. Well told, deeply moving, fast-paced and jaw-dropping if you have never heard these stories before. hell, even if you have. I have heard most of them more than once and I still find myself saying “daaaamn” a lot as I watch.

    I am watching the rebroadcast of last week’s episode now and I heard that super-cheesy voiceover from the scientology PR video at the beginning and had to laugh. So goofy, and they are so clueless about that — I’m glad I caught that, I needed a chuckle after this week’s heartbreaking story.

  • Bernie Headley

    Another home run! The show was absolutely great!

    • gtsix

      Will you adopt me? I make a mean pot roast.

      • MaxLuvsDaBunk

        Me too! I even do windows! And am great at wrapping gifts!

        • gtsix

          Shoo dammit.

          • jazzlover

            LOL. Don’t bogart the dad.

        • Bernie Headley

          I do Windows too, but it is the computer kind. LOL

      • Bernie Headley

        Wow, I needed a little lightness after watching the show. Thanks!

        • Sherbet

          Think of all the Father’s Day gifts you’re going to get now, Bernie.

          • Bernie Headley

            I already have the best perpetual father’s day gift; Marc, Claire and three wonderful grandsons!

            • daisy

              Okay , okay , I will marry you.

            • Bernie Headley

              Be very careful what you wish for! LOL

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Watch it, mister, I have dibs on Daisy!

            • Sherbet

              What is this, Match dot com?

            • daisy

              Isn*t this Christian mngle ?

            • Sherbet

              You sure do.

        • Ella Raitch

          That was a tough one, just reading the liveblog and twitter.

        • stillgrace2

          I need ice cream and I haven’t even seen the show yet. Pacific Standard Time.

      • daisy

        That is too bad, my pot roast is always nice and kind. Perhaps you overcook it.

  • Newiga

    Thank goodness I still have 30 minutes to recover before I have to start getting ready for work. I need kittens, puppies and unicorns to hug.

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      This reminds me of that many year ago 48 Hours or Dateline of the Scientology mom who wouldn’t treat her son and he wound up, in his delusions/mental illness, killing her.

      • Robert Eckert

        The Elli Perkins case. ID (a true-crime channel) did a segment on it, with an appearance by The Proprietor.

    • stillgrace2

      Is Co$ trying to blame Leah for that incident? I just accidently went to a Co$ website where they blamed that on Ron Miscavige! Oops. Think I’ll get a screengrab.

  • PerpetualOutflow

    Tonight’s show will be played and played and replayed and will haunt the clampire forever, as it should. Aaron, your brother is rejoicing wherever he is–you have made him proud and helped scores of people you will probably never meet by having the courage and humility to share your poignantly painful story with the world. We all love, respect, support and salute you.

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      Hear, Hear!

    • Newiga

      A heroine! <3

    • beauty for ashes

      You managed to capture some compelling images with captions. thank you for doing that.
      I thought it was really interesting, even though I was already watching.
      And probably nice for those who don’t get cable πŸ™‚

  • FredEX2

    Aaron, you did it! You broke thru and told your most personal story. It was heart breaking and gut wrenching and no doubt has had a huge impact on the millions watching the program tonight. Thank you for being brave and sharing something so profound and so deeply painful. Yours & Collin’s story has made an impression tonight and will make a difference for many for a long time to come.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    A friend who left a cult once told me that when he was in the cult he wasn’t worried that the media would print lies, he was worried that it would print the truth and all of the cult’s dirty laundry would be aired for the world to see.

    That is Miscavige’s nightmare, because I think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg and there are many Miscavige crimes, true crimes, that have yet to be exposed.

    • Shivani33

      It amazes me, for the same thoughts were passing through me as what you have written – the very moment that your comment appeared. His very walk and the set of his face tell Miscavige’s stories…for those with eyes to see. Who amongst his associates has he NOT harmed? The fallout has gotten too big for Napoleon Miscavige to avoid. Even death won’t help him to escape. Thankfully, the revolution against his action is coming very effectively from individuals who have had the awareness, courage and love to walk away from his entrenched corruption of spirit. Remember the old Rolling Stones song “I am Waiting”? Waiting for someone to come out of somewhere…(and) oh, yes we will find out. With tears and laughter. And ultimately, with silence.

      I’m unwilling to look at Miscavige’s image or to hear his voice. For me, he’s like Charles Manson in a suit and tie. While Hubbard was an insecure, somewhat creative, greedy egomaniac, he left the way for his own worst nightmare to slither inside the door in his wake…a little hallucinating totalitarian. Big whoops there, L. Ron. Big whoops. Elephants aren’t the only ones who remember.

  • Observer

    Colin would be incredibly proud of you.

    • Joe

      I agree.

      Aaron, I know it doesn’t make your loss easier but I don’t think your brother ever ever stopped loving you or your mom.

  • DoveAlexa
    • Joe

      Someone please offer DM a refreshing Kool-Aid. . .

  • Sherbet

    Having seen some sensationalistic and hokey series on A&E, I never would have expected this series to be so effective and well done. What an incredible piece of television Leah Remini and Mike Rinder have produced. Emmy, Emmy, Emmy. That would burn Dave’s butt, second degree, at least.

    • Davka

      Having seen this, I now understand so well why Aaron would have felt it important to tell Karen about her son. Kudos to all on this one, I agree, Sherb.

      • Sherbet

        Yes!

    • He would say they earned the Emmy thanks to him and then give himself one.

      IIRC Marc Headley said little Davey gave himself one after Ted Koppel actually got one for his interview with COB.

      • Sherbet

        Yes, I had heard that. What a delusional, egotistical tyrant.

  • PickAnotherID

    12 year olds working those kinds of hours and not going to school? Where the hell was CPS? And why is $cientology still tax exempt??

    • DoveAlexa

      Makes me feel like Sci is under some Someone Else’s Problem field, which makes these groups think it’s always someone elses job to do anything first.

    • What’sup

      Imo this is the one aspect of Scientology practices that doesn’t get the attention it warrants. It’s often mentioned but never thoroughly examined.

      • April

        Blatant violation of child labor laws imho. “Clergy” or not, they’re still kids.

        • PickAnotherID

          Exactly.

    • Aaron Smith-Levin

      I was from Philadelphia and there was no record I lived in Florida. I was on no ones radar.

  • J D

    Aaron you mentioned your kids getting kicked out of school…would you be willing to mention what school that was in Pinellas County? Thanks either way your a brave soul.

    • Aaron Smith-Levin

      Yes it was the Washburn Academy, run by Shawn Smith (Float), former COB pet, as the Director of Training at Flag during the first Golden Age of Tech evolution.

  • GodofSaltWaterTaffy

    I have a serious question. I hope someone who was a member of the church can answer.

    I listened to a Kirstie Alley interview w/ Howard Stern from awhile ago. She talked of re-incarnation stuff, and said that when Scientologists’ drop their body, they find a new one to inhabit in a baby in delivery room during birth (no joke.)

    BUT!! I was taught that things like β€œwhen our mother bumps into a corner w/ her stomach while pregnant, we remember that trauma!! It’s an Engram!!”

    How can that be if, our body, in-utero, has no β€œthetan??”

    I’m super-perplexed!!!

    Who comes up w/ this dreck???

    • Tony Ortega

      That’s the problem with Dianetics and Scientology — they don’t match. Hubbard tried to fix it with something he called the “genetic entity,” but it’s a clumsy fix.

      Yes, exactly. If your problems were the storing of your prenatal engrams (Dianetics), then how do you have any prenatal engrams if you, as a thetan, jumped into a newborn? (Scientology)

      It makes you begin to think maybe this Hubbard guy was talking out of his ass.

      • What’sup

        Ya think?

        • gtsix

          You just need to read a book. Here, have this copy of IT. Has a better cosmology, and the writer is a pretty good guy.

        • ExCult.Jan

          Jinx (OK, since you posted 2 hours ago, drink’s on me.)

      • GodofSaltWaterTaffy

        Or maybe Kirstie (and all of us!) are nothing more than excess body thetans?? LMFAO!! Thats my only explanation to this dreck.

      • Phil McKraken

        Talking out of his ass? Is that a funny way to say farting? I like to think he was farting out of his mouth.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Well, Dianetics was based on something LRH found in the toilet bowl after taco night.

      • GodofSaltWaterTaffy

        Thank you, Tony! I knew this on a cerebral level, but had to ask…

      • And the Wogs didn’t like this.

      • lori banister

        Wee bit.

      • ExCult.Jan

        Ya think?

    • PickAnotherID

      It’s $cientology, you’re supposed to just take El Rum’s word for it, not try to make sense of it.

      ETA: Never try to use logic to understand the inner workings of $cientology. It’s cognitive dissonance packaged in a plain brown wrapper.

      • Bernie Headley

        You will hurt yourself if you try to make sense of it. It doesn’t make sense to begin with.

        • GodofSaltWaterTaffy

          LOLZ!! Are u related to Marc?? He’s funny too!

          • Robert Eckert

            Bernie is Marc’s dad. Marc did not fall far from the tree.

            • Bernie Headley

              I think he may have fell on his head, though. LOL

          • Bernie Headley

            I’m his dad.

            • GodofSaltWaterTaffy

              Not to sound like a super-fan, but his book was so good. Eye-opening. Thanks from the rest of us for giving him safe haven when he blew the joint.

            • Bernie Headley

              I got exactly what I wanted. It was the best early birthday present I could have hoped for. (My birthday is in January) Marc called on January 5.

            • GodofSaltWaterTaffy

              When I think about my own father…. I tear up. If ANYONE ever told me to choose between him and them, , well, bye-bye Bitch!!

              I also understand you were never into Scientology,,, or Is my memory of “Blown 4 Good” Wrong? I remember Marc living w. Mom & a boyfriend in a tiny apt, and he was a slob. Marc went w/ a friends’ fam to Clearwater…

            • lori banister

              Thanks God. You did well and against some pretty stacked odds. What an accomplishment! Love you all. What a lovely success story full of the promise of famly. You are all inspirations. Just sayin.

            • Bernie Headley

              I just need to get my daughter back!

            • Supper Powers

              Yes you do!

            • lori banister

              I’m so sorry. I realized as I sent the message that I did not recognize your continuing heartbreak. I’m sorry. I just meant to say that I was glad you were there for Marc and you made a serious difference. You continue to make a difference. Thank you. X

            • Bernie Headley

              I don’t dwell on what I don’t have. I focus on what I do have. Not only do I have Marc and family, but I have a rather large extended family, including my ex-wife’s family! It doesn’t get any more ironic.

            • GodofSaltWaterTaffy

              Nice!

            • ExCult.Jan

              *stands and waves!*

    • scnethics

      Asking questions like that, you’ll never be able to join Scientology. Like Tony said, the explanation for this was the “genetic entity”. The genetic entity is a thetan (spirit) that attaches itself to any and all lifeforms, believing itself to be that lifeform. The GE continues to inhabit your body after you assume it, and when you have prenatal memories, you are actually accessing the memories of the GE, which has been with your body from conception. A clumsy fix indeed! There are so many of these GEs around that they are ready to jump into every single new lifeform on Earth (animals have them too)? They somehow have no awareness of their existence outside of being a lifeform, and yet are around, separate from any lifeform, and ready to take over every newly conceived human embryo, and aware enough to do so?

      • GodofSaltWaterTaffy

        Like a haunted house?? I still don’t “get” what a GE is….

        Not being sarcastic, I really REALLY don’t “get it.”
        Oy vey!

        • GodofSaltWaterTaffy

          So thetans can attache to you anytime?? Whats the point of OT level attainment if they can keep coming back??

          • Ella Raitch

            OT levels teach you how to ‘exorcise the demons’ – no seriously…these are body thetans. Once you clear yourself of your own engrams, you have to then start clearing all these cooties of theirs as well (or getting them to leave – just realised I’m not entirely clear on this point now) <<<<<<<<<<< Tom Cruise does this !!!!!

            • GodofSaltWaterTaffy

              So, my ? is…DO others come back and attach???

              So much $$$ must be spent on this process ALONE!!!

            • Ella Raitch

              Yep – reportedly DM is skeered of catching degraded BTs from other people

            • GodofSaltWaterTaffy

              He should be scurred…. many a ghost will haunt his ass

            • ExCult.Jan

              Bingo.

            • I thought they where using a special shampoo like Scientolotion!

            • Ella Raitch

              With active ingredient Betebegon (TM)

            • GodofSaltWaterTaffy

              Or the Scientology approved “Brazilian Blowout” except it must be re-done 3 times, as Apple-Crate Miscavige needs to re-edit the ingredientes….. I spelled ingredients that way on purpose…

        • kemist

          I wouldn’t worry about it too much.

          It’s just there to fill up a plot hole in a bad sci-fi story. Of course it creates many other plot holes, but when you’ve got an audience to whom you’ve just sold a bridge and Heinz 57 sauce perceptics, it does not matter much.

        • scnethics

          It really doesn’t make sense, so it’s good that you don’t get it! Scientologists believe, like a lot of people, that we are spiritual beings with an existence independent from our bodies. The idea is that the GE is a spiritual being, just like you and I are spiritual beings, but instead of having the rich existence that we enjoy, this being is only concerned with bodily functions like breathing, eating, drinking and reproducing, and only interested in these things from a biological standpoint, if you can imagine an existence like that.

      • Qbird

        Ah yes.
        {{{Source}}} wrote about it in A History of Man ~
        “A cold-blooded and factual account of your last 76 trillion years.”

        The GE is passed from body to body, life after life… because…

        clams. ~ L. Ron Hubbard

        • GodofSaltWaterTaffy

          I like clams steamed. And clams casino is pretty rad.

    • Phil McKraken

      Kirstie altered the dreck.

      • GodofSaltWaterTaffy

        She IS dreck!!!

    • Aaron Smith-Levin

      What Tony said.

      There are inconsistencies between Dianetics and Scientology. Scientologists explain it away as “advancements in research”, etc. however they also DON’T change the parts of Dianetics that no longer make sense. Just cognitive dissonance really.

    • ExCult.Jan

      It’s way less perplexing if you just act like it makes sense and don’t think about any of it.

  • This show is what Reality TV supposed to be. New standard. Just be real.

    • jazzlover

      Seriously. Reality TV needs to be less dysfunction for bucks and more important storytelling.

    • iampissed

      Dodo…just be real..wow powerful.

  • beauty for ashes

    I was just thinking about how this episode , and Aaron’s interview, did a really good job of honoring his brother Collin. He would be soo proud. And if any part of his legacy means that someone left scientology!? Think of what his friends all said to Aaron, “Man he fucking HATED scientology!” πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

    • gtsix

      And sadly, that didn’t help Aaron leave. Such tears.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    How’s the blood pressure, Davey?

    Here, let me pour you another bottle of Macallan’s.

    • EDN/laineybin

      Don’t pour, just hand him a straw.

      Edit typo

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        its going in I.V. now.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          He’s swimming in it.

          • MaxLuvsDaBunk

            But sure doesn’t look as good as you swimmin’

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              You damn straight πŸ˜‰

    • Observer

      He’s probably to the point where he just chugs it right out of the bottle.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        He’s got one of those big gulp cups.

        • beauty for ashes

          Yeah cause think how heavy and big those big bottles of scotch are for him to drink out of!

      • Under the Radar

        He has moved on to something a little “stronger” – like Heroine. Most dictator’s move into the heavy drugs when the fine Scotch just won’t key out all that constant entheta.

    • stillgrace2

      “That’s put the mockers on that, then.”

    • Ella Raitch
    • PickAnotherID

      Never mind the Macallan’s, he’s going for the “good stuff” now…
      http://www.winestheworldover.com/uploads/1/0/4/1/10416648/4452048.jpg

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Sounds yummy! Well, not really. Cold red wine..?

        • PickAnotherID

          Only in the winter time.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            See, I like hot drinks during winter time – like mulled wine and cocoa.

            • PickAnotherID

              If you hold the Ripple bottle ove the fire in the back alley trash barrel, I guess you could have it warm.

      • ReallyMGM

        Fred Sanford wine

        • jazzlover

          Ha ha. Reminds me of when he used to call it “Muskatipple”.

    • gtsix

      Please, he’s a fucking crazy bitch. This makes him angry, beyond that, he don’t care.

      It’s the puppets around him who should be chugalugging.

      Cuz bitches, you’re gonna get it when the tiny cunt is sober. Run quick, your eternity is fucked.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        R-amen.

      • kemist

        Perhaps they should take him boar hunting.

        • gtsix

          Moar whine!

    • lori banister

      Just post another picture of you in the wild. He wishes!

  • PerpetualOutflow

    Leah said something tonight that did make me wonder…how can so many ex-$cientologists live so close to the clampire HQs without it constantly inducing PTSD?

    ETA: She didn’t say it exactly that way…I took some liberties.

    • Under the Radar

      Scientology’s ETHICS are out. The tech can’t get in and the Scientologist’s are PTS

      THAT is why Scientology is not expanding

      I am hearing rumblings that Tom Cruise has made an offer for the planet Mars (Target II) where LRH is…

      They will be moving the Mecca there as soon as he closes the deal and FUNDS are raised for renos

    • Ella Raitch

      I remember Mike Rinder saying he stayed close so he could be there for family who might decide to leave…

      • Supper Powers

        Yeah. Benjamin, his son who is in the SO.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        I certainly understand that rationale! God bless Mike and hope he and his son reunie soon.

    • Aaron Smith-Levin

      I go for a ride around the Super Power building all the time.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        You are so awesome Aaron. I am paranoid every time a potential business associate tells me they are from Clearwater or the surrounding area, but you’re doing wheelies in the clam parking lot.

        • Supper Powers

          True confession: I was on the phone with PODS a few years ago. They’re out of CW. The woman was talking like a robot; no emotion. I asked her if she was a Scientologist. She had her TRs in, cause she just kept going. Or she she hated me. I felt bad after. But I think she was a clam.

          • ExCult.Jan

            Why bad?

            • Supper Powers

              It just seems like an awfully rude thing to ask someone.

          • PerpetualOutflow

            Ooh, that’s creepy. That’s sounds like how a Scientologist would react.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Oh, a circling SP parade could be fun. Think we could get enough to ring the SP building with SP’s?

        • ExCult.Jan

          Maybe that can be added to the agenda for the 2018 HowdyCon in Clearwater?

  • Ella Raitch

    Hey Lurkers, exes, never-ins, under the radar crowd….live blog nights are an excellent time to join in posting.

    Welcome one and all

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Well, there is this: When I start to talk about Scientology now, people won’t look at me as if I’m just being weird.

    • stillgrace2

      Wait ’til they find out you sharpen knives in the sauna.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        ….shickkkkk….schickkkkk….schickkkkk…..

    • Narapoid
    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      My friends used to laugh at me. Now they all want to ask me questions.

      • gtsix

        I can still laugh, right?

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          If you buy me a drink first.

          Ohhh…I had the most sublime absinthe cocktail at the Gibson the other night. I’m still thinking about it. Obviously.

          • gtsix

            Just one? Done!

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I’m a lightweight. ; )

      • They don’t know the history of Scientology, you do.

        Damn, that’s doing it wrong TWICE.

        πŸ™‚

  • April

    Extremely riveting show tonight. Watched it with my April Jr., who’s still in middle school and has never watched a show with me that wasn’t Disney or otherwise kid-related. She readily grasped that tearing apart families is wrong, and I asked her to never consider joining an organization that would ask/tell anyone to disconnect from their loved ones. She also now knows who Tony Ortega is, because when he was shown briefly on screen I nudged her and said excitedly, “That’s Tony Ortega!” Then I had to explain who he is because, well, she’s a middle schooler. We both cried as Aaron told the story about his brother’s disconnection and subsequent death. Thank you so much Aaron for sharing your story in a way that’s effective at reaching even a hard-headed middle school kid.

    ETA: I wish that A&E had done more to expose how the e-meter is pseudoscience bullshit, but I understand the focus of this show is to reveal how the CO$ affects people’s lives.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Chris Shelton has had an e-meter expose vid in the works for a while now. I hope he gets that one done soon. I’ve been looking forward to it.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Lovely and profound use of this teachable moment with Jr. Brought tears.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Wee Davey was a $cilon wanker
    A pustulant criminal canker
    Ordering soul rapes,
    Choking on sour grapes
    El Ron’s cult? He sank her.

    Next week’s show is coming up to just about the right temperature.
    King Clambake for 2 million – Dave, that’s a lotta shucking.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/643babe8b24802c2455d90b426c79ec7209a77400cf92c927336d83dd8977af4.jpg

    • Ella Raitch

      Wanker is such a great word

      • What’sup

        Except when it’s directed at ones self…….a dozen times a day……..I’ve found.

  • daisy

    Why did they not just put woman on the pill ? Oh silly , rookie mistake, that would make sense.

    • beauty for ashes

      that would cost money.

      • Supper Powers

        I understand that they used the county and planned parenthood for abortions. The same place that could have provided the pill at little to no cost.

        • beauty for ashes

          Why didn’t they pay for deodorant, but pay for dry cleaning? I think I’m in over my head. πŸ˜‰
          ***backs out of the room bowing****

      • daisy

        I think abortions would cost more. At least in the US.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Pills are “big pharma”.

      • jazzlover

        So is Duggan. Fun, eh?

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          He pays for his indulgences.

          • jazzlover

            Too true, but he gets to have some. Not all of us get to sell children across the world.

      • kemist

        But abortions are supposed to be verboten according to Diarrhetics, the Mental Science of Provable Bullshit.

        Or is there something else in Hubbard’s collection of brain farts that make it ok.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Davey fixed it so that it’s OK now. There was a semicolon error or something. Anyway, it’s almost mandatory now.

  • PickAnotherID

    Neighbor’s comment on the closing segment, “Why do they have those cameras all over the streets? And what’s with following people everywhere? The creep factor they create would keep anyone from joining $cientology, so why do they do it?”

  • Great show,although I wish none of it was true as what happened and is happening is horrendous! I also saw the preview last night and wondered about what I thought was mentioned in preview: that you or your wife had Scientologist parents living across the street that disconnected and they would hide from your children if they came over in fear they would get in trouble…Did I get that right?

    • Supper Powers

      Yepper. Grandma ran from the babes.

    • Narapoid

      Colossally sad, true and f n wrong.

    • Aaron Smith-Levin

      Totally true.

      • OMG….soooooo sad. I imagine that are getting some pressure today from friends and community who has seen the show. I will pray they awaken from their mind control and tell Scientology to shove it where the sun don’t shine! My heart goes out tot you and your family Aaron,

  • Susan B.

    Gone are the days when newbie CO$ watchers had only a few good investigative TV shows or movies on YouTube to get a bigger picture. Now there’s Leah and Mike and way more than a dozen exes and watchers on an 8 episode show! Anyone new to learning about the human rights abuses of CO$ will catch on much more quickly to the varied and nefarious aspects. Knowledge is power!

    • Narapoid

      9 with the “Ask me anything” freebie

  • Supper Powers

    This week, I will accept my Big Pharma payment in the form of Valium and sleeping pills. Aaron’s show was gut wrenching and I’m afraid I’ll be awake for while thinking about him and his family. His poor Mother.

    • beauty for ashes

      IKR? it’s 11:45? that went by so quick! I’m up all night anyway, but you should get some sleep. Are you in your jammies, brushed your teeth, locked the doors, done all the night time rituals? That should get you started. Any sleepytime tea?

      • Supper Powers

        Yes, Mom. All that. Turned the thermostat off and crawled into bed under an electric blanket.

        • beauty for ashes

          Okay good. Send them one happy thought and let it go. Worrying will do them no good.
          <3 <3 <3

          • ExCult.Jan

            Wise woman, you!

  • What’sup

    Click the heart guys. It’s like props for disqus.

    • MaxLuvsDaBunk

      Props for Proprietor

  • scnethics

    That was an incredible show. I cried like a baby and really feel for you Aaron, and for your family. Here’s to a cancellation of the disconnection policy, to families reunited, and to never another family having to go through what yours did.

    • ExCult.Jan

      They already did ‘cancel’ the disconnection policy. *Cough*
      Need to cancel the whole frikkin cult!

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Well Ladies and germs, i’ve used up just about all my available free theta for the evening, so I’ll be retiring to my happy place for the night.

    It’s a complex mix of emotions to see this all happen, that I feared would never happen, the broad telling of the truth about Scientology and the sadness it didn’t happen so much earlier, enough to save me my own heartache, and yet a tempered but sweet joy it is finally saving untold heartache in others. Not quite a weight lifted, but I hope.

    I hope.

    • Supper Powers

      Night, darling.

    • jazzlover

      Hope is good. It is the thing upon which everything worthwhile is based.

    • TexasBroad

      ((Hugs)) and hope.

    • gtsix

      Gnite BLT.

      Got to close out as well bunkeroonians. Amazing how it goes from 9pm to midnight in a Yingling.

      • beauty for ashes

        HA! In a yingling! *blink*

  • Ella Raitch

    Baby, if you’re around and been watching, hugs to you. I know this story is a tough one for you.

    • beauty for ashes

      Group Hug!

      • Baby

        thanks honey. I couldn’t watch..I commented above ^ one day I will..

    • daisy

      She was here earlier. I think this is a gut wrench for her. I hope she feels the bunker love.

      • Baby

        I do feel the bunker love daise.. I just couldn’t watch it.. I commented above.. ^ I will one day.. I’m feeling really sensitive tonight.. Thanks Daisy..

    • Frodis73

      ^^This! Love you Baby!!! ((Hugs))

      • Baby

        Thanks Doggie.. I wrote above .. ^ that I couldn’t .. I’m feeling too vulnerable right now.. I can’t imagine how Aaron feels.. the guilt he must carry.. just everything so tragic..

    • ExCult.Jan

      Said earlier she’d be watching in a fetal position and not posting.
      Xoxo, Baby!!

      • Baby

        Thanks Jan.. I just wrote to Ella above..I just couldn’t watch it.. I will, but just can’t right now.. I laid down with Mac..and he held me..

        • ExCult.Jan

          We all hold you, Baby.

          • Baby

            Thanks Jan.. I know it’s not about me but Aaron and Collin.. I just know how deeply he feels at the loss of his twin..sigh

    • Baby

      Ella thank you so much..and everyone who was thinking of me.. I watched for like maybe 7 minutes until I saw the twin picture.. I just couldn’t..

      I’m not feeling strong enough right now. Of course I taped it..and will watch in short sections. love baby

      • coonellie

        I am so sorry for your pain. I have twin sisters, twin goddaughters, and twin best friends. When one of my twin sisters was raped, the other twin spent years feeling guilty. The tie is something most cannot understand. Having grown up with twins I truly feel your pain and I send you the biggest bear hug ever.

        • Baby

          coonellie.. OMG that is so tragic. What a heartbreaking story Coon..

          Wow you were surrounded with twins.. amazing. I will take your Bear hug and always keep it with me when I need one..Thanks honey..

      • Ella Raitch

        Mac’ll see you right. Glad you’ve got a good lovin man

        • Baby

          He is the best Ella.. We didn’t say a thing to each other..I just laid in his arms

  • beauty for ashes

    “You know how to make Spaghetti Bolognese?!!!” ~Marc says to Claire after they escaped (I wasn’t here when you live blogged that!)

    • Supper Powers

      That’s my favorite line!

      • beauty for ashes

        Just RIPE for a Hollywood screenplay, I tell ya! Story is full of em!

  • Good day everyone. Stay safe and kind.

  • TexasBroad

    We’re gonna need a bigger Bunker.

    • Supper Powers

      Well, J3 and Fly have raided Nola’s bar and ate the leftovers I had in the outdoor kitchen. They’ll be of no use helping us put on an extra front porch to infinity. Sorry.

  • Vaquera

    Oh goodness, Oprah on Colbert right now talking about “John Tra-VOL-TA.” and how much she loves him.

    Edit: her sing-song “Tra-VOL-TA,” not mine.

    • daisy

      I saw that. I often wonder if she has done any research at all on scientology. She has enabled Tom Cruise to explain his behavior , making it seem mainstream. All the media has.

      • JJ

        Thinking it might be any port in a storm? Would it be a good idea for a TV personality/reporter to bite the hand that feeds her? Would she turn if there was proof of abuse, incontrovertible? Is it celebrity blinding? If an admired person does a bad thing, how bad can it be…?
        Wait, she is a Christian…Love the sinner, hate the sin…?

        • daisy

          She is capable of a hard hitting interview, Lance Armstrong , an author I cannot remember his name . I always used to think she was trying to help the good. Certainly not meaning to promote the bad. She seems to be willfully ignorant of scientology.

        • coonellie

          She is not a Christian. She uses Christian words. She has suffered and she should understand. She really should not support anything COS because of their stance on homosexuality but then she hides her preference.

      • DoveAlexa

        The lady is richer than Jesus, she’s in as thick a bubble as TC. Also, didn’t she kind of retire? She’d have little incentive to know any thruths if she’s not on a network’s payroll.

        • JJ

          Maybe it isn’t good to go rogue on any one in Hollywood and TC has a lot of pull, no matter how wacko he seems.

          • DoveAlexa

            She’s also still a big deal to a lot of people, which would inflate her ego, making it even harder to buy into suddenly changing her opinion of her friends.

            • JJ

              Gotta wonder where the line is drawn though? Rape? Child molestation? Human Trafficking?

            • DoveAlexa

              No line to draw if you can just not believe any of it :(.

        • coonellie

          Actually, seeing as Yeshua is God, He owns all the cattle on all the hills (metaphorically speaking)…so she isn’t richer than Jesus πŸ™‚
          But I get your point.

        • Glen

          Not on a network’s payroll, she owns a network.

          • DoveAlexa

            Ahhhh, I see, thank you! I wonder how much she tells the people on her network what they’re allowed to think?

    • Observer

      She did that singsong of JT’s name with Rosie O’Donnell in a promo for Rosie’s extremely short lived show a couple of years ago. It’s just embarrassing.

      • beauty for ashes

        She’s killing me with the weight watchers commercials. I have to look away.

        • Observer

          “It WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORKS!”

          • JJ

            And I only have a 40 % share in the billion dollar business with guaranteed repeat customers for life.

          • beauty for ashes

            Oh no, she really says that doesn’t she?

            • Observer

              She sings WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORKS

            • JJ

              Why undersell anything, especially if your last billion counted on it…

            • beauty for ashes

              I bet it annoys your dogs.

        • gtsix

          Right? Hey billionaire, you have a personal trainer and a personal chef. Don’t lie.and say you’re losing weight because of weight watchers.

          • beauty for ashes

            thank you. I’m not stupid Oprah.

    • stillgrace2

      As support for Leah’s show grows, Oprah may find herself between a rock and a hard place.
      She may lose some of her fanbase if she doesn’t address this.

      If she keeps her head in the sand, it won’t be long before she’s confronted and forced to defend evil. Or she could do a 360/2 and turn on Cruise and Tra-VOL-TA.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I’d love to see Leah call her out on FB or Twitter.

  • JJ

    He is willing to pickle his liver and smoke cancer sticks even though he has asthma but he is scared of space alien souls jumping onto his body and wreaking havoc? Your right, it takes all kinds to make a world…

    • Liberated

      Yeah, but he takes cal-mags….so it’s ok.

      • JJ

        Hmn cognitive dissonance comes in tablet form…Cool!

  • daisy

    Nightline has an interview with the half-sisters of Carrie Fischer.

    • stillgrace2

      oh … thanks!

    • beauty for ashes

      Boo, or yeah? I don’t know how to feel. I would be an overmedicated blubbering mess. unless I was a heartless cash cow?

  • GodofSaltWaterTaffy

    Thanks to you all for watching w/ me tonite and answering my questions!
    I adore Leah R. and Mike R.
    Since I just grated some cheese (and my thumb-knuckle in the process) I am CLEARLY not “at cause” over M.E.S.T. I must need to go seks-chex my ass!!

    Quick ??? tho….. I see Rathbun is acting a different way lately (unless I’m wrong)

    As for Mike Rinder, is he still into the Free-Zone/Independent $ci movement??? I know we was, but is he still???

    Thanks y’all for a great night!!

    • Robert Eckert

      Rinder is no longer drinking the Kool-Aid, although he does not argue with LRH-believers in the comments thread at his blog.

      • GodofSaltWaterTaffy

        Can you tell me more??? I loved interviews w/ him and Rathbun together, but Marty IS an Indy. Mike stopped when??

        • Robert Eckert

          It has been more of a gradual drift than an abrupt break.

      • I beg to differ. On more than one occasion I have seen him do just that.

        Eg http://www.mikerindersblog.org/can-scientologists-be-christians-or-jews-too/#comment-156989

        Mike comments here on someone who says the Jesus is a pedofile version of OT 8 doesn’t exist or something. If you look further on his blog you’ll find more, I’m sure.

        • Robert Eckert

          Thanks. I was travelling New Year’s Eve and Day and didn’t see Mike’s blog that day, interesting post and comments exchange.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd
    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Jena Ardell–the person Leah’s responding to–used to write for LA Weekly. She covered music. Not sure if she’s still a contributor.

      And that’s my second random trivia contribution for the evening.

  • JJ

    Been on this site a while now, read Chris Shelton, look up evil psych web sites, check other blogs watch Leah’s show, even peruse the Scientology sites. I go back and forth on the issue of just what the hell is wrong with
    David Miscavige. Here is my list:
    1 He is mentally ill for real (stop yelling at me he might be)
    2 He is a reincarnation of some despot of other, or several
    3 He is a jerk in circumstances that enable a jerk to become a tyrant
    4 Chemical imbalance: Alcohol, nicotine, niacin
    5 Really believes in Scientology
    6 Doesn’t really believe in Scientology is just in it for the graft
    7 Believes in some aspects of Scientology, and is mostly just greedy
    8 Brain injury in childhood, twenty years back
    9 Low blood sugar
    10 Needs Way more auditing
    11 He is a mellonhead

    • UhLasare

      It’s probably #9. Have you ever been hangry?

      • beauty for ashes

        Haven’t heard about the baked goods at international base? It couldn’t be that!

        • JJ

          If he is doing the all Kobe beef and power bar, Kools and Macallen diet, he never goes there…

          • beauty for ashes

            that sounds completely disgusting.

    • beauty for ashes

      He stopped getting audited and never finished the bridge, indeed folks. #10

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        From the IRS!

      • JJ

        That would be money going out right… better to make other people pay to pray and then just sit under the bridge and count the money.

    • Frodis73

      Why would you think we would be angry for suggesting he could be mentally ill?
      Whatever issue is, the last thing he needs is more auditing…esp if he is mentally ill; it would just encourage it.

      • JJ

        Someone posts and always writes David (HE IS NOT MENTALLY ILL ) Miscavige when writing about him.

        • ExCult.Jan

          Odd. Since obviously he is not the poster boy for mental health.
          More like poster boy for Narcissistic Personality Disorder, just for starters.

          • JJ

            Flaming, with a sociopath kicker. Ever see the footage with TC where he is “smiling”.really big. There is something vera wrong when a person looks scarier when they smile…

        • stillgrace2

          It’s sarcasm.

          • JJ

            I hadn’t thought of that.

            • JJ

              No I mean really I figure it is someone really pissed off who doesn’t want someone “giving DM an excuse” for his inexcusable behavior…

        • Frodis73

          LOL!! Oh okay. I forget who it is that does that, but they are being sarcastic. IIRC when one of the first exposes came out about DM hitting people somebody (tommy davis maybe?) said “he is not insane” when discussing it. I think that is the origin…either way, the person is being a smart ass. πŸ™‚

          • What’sup

            Thanks so much for the X-mas email honey. I thought i’d replied but apparently not.

            Love ya.

          • Jens Tingleff uses “David “he is NOT insane” Miscavige”. He once explained me (IIRC) that that was a phrase John Sweeney used.

        • Jens Tingleff I think -in honor of Sweeney

          • Ella Raitch

            He also uses ‘the criminal conspiracy known as the cherch of $cientology’ – it always makes me laugh to think of him typing that in full each time

    • What’sup

      You forgot: Worst case of Small Mans Syndrome since Napoleon.

      • gtsix

        Napoleon was not short.

    • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

      #1: Well he exhibits behavior that could be interpreted as a symptom of Intermittent Explosive Disorder……that is where people just go nuts out of nowhere, screaming at and/or assaulting people with no apparent reason. I have my private thoughts (many) on his other behaviors that I don’t comment on, but his well-documented unprovoked assaults on others is WAY out of the norm, and frankly bizarre, so I think #1 is totally reasonable.

  • Goodnight Bunker.

    • TheLurkingHorror

      Thank you for live blogging.

    • stillgrace2

      Thanks for the screen shots!

    • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

      Goodnight! You Rock! πŸ™‚

    • Ella Raitch

      So long and thanks for all the fish

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Thanks for them fast fingers, EE! It was great to have all those screen shots in real time.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • ReallyMGM

      The visual of a couple of Marines calling Scientology a f_____’d up group is very funny. Would make a great cartoon or shoop.

  • Newiga

    Tony’s on fire on Twitter again! 140 characters of pure ass-kicking telling-it-like-it-is truth.

    PS. Can I sleep?

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      You must work. I, on the other hand am going to sleep, after a long night’s work.

      • Newiga

        Good night, sleep tight! Sweet dreams. ^_^

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Tack. Ha en jΓ€ttegod dag!

    • No

      • Newiga

        I’m up, I’m up! *dozes off*

        • Tired, emotional and incandescent with rage at the same time- what a night/morning.!

          • Newiga

            I can’t wait to watch it properly. I had to depend on live-blogging mostly due to some annoying issues.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous
    • HRH Jimmy

      Kiss ass

  • LeeAnneClark

    Dear god.

    I’m in CA…watching now. Aaron just shared the story of hearing about his brothers death.

    I can’t stop crying.

    • LeeAnneClark

      I realize there are close to 2000 comments, and most of the Bunker watched this hours ago, so I’m basically talking to myself here. But I just need to get my feelings out here, even if no one sees it.
      I’m just devastated for Aaron and his family. And angry as hell.

      The dog story!!! I needed that levity right then.

      Aaron my heart just breaks for you. But seeing you with your beautiful little girls is so wonderful.

      • Ella Raitch

        LeeAnne, I have read the story here, and even just participating in the liveblog I felt helpless as the story was divulged. I’m expecting a grim experience when I do see it, but looking forward to what I am assured is the musical sound of Mike laughing at the dog story

      • Glen

        Out on the west coast also. You are not alone, it was a devastating but really important hour. I hope you’re ok.

        • LeeAnneClark

          Thanks for commenting back. Yes, I’m fine – and I was really heartened by seeing the end of the show, and watching Aaron look so happy with his beautiful family. It was quite a ride, living through what he’s lived through (and ohmygod he told his powerful story SO well, I really did feel like I was living it with him). To see him come out the other side, still grieving over his losses but living joyfully with his family intact, was so powerful!

          I am hoping many still-ins watched, and believed (how can you NOT believe?), and got the message that life is so much better outside of that hostile, damaging cult.

          I’m so impressed with Aaron. I know this was so hard for him, but the good he has done by opening up and sharing his pain is just immeasurable.

    • Narapoid

      I read the updates by other commentators, knew something of this family’s story and was still shocked and pained by it. It is a horror that millions are learning about.

      The suffering in the dark is coming to an end.

  • Dave In Ajax

    For all of us in the bunker Leah Reminis series is just repeat of stories we alredy know so it is nothing new. However the exposure is wonderful and we all hope it will lead to something. However after 5 or 6 ep[sodes after tonight i am getting frustrated maybe because it is all repeat to me, but i feel the main point is being missed. The A&E ads show the church/corporation/cult promo over and over again but it never touched on. Everyting this this oranization does is about money, there is no other objective, everything they do is about the end game , and it is money, there is no other end game. If you follow every move they make, it all point to the the $$$ sign, but hey you all knew this already………..LEAH REMINI cut to the chase πŸ™‚

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      This is familiar to us, but not to the larger audience that is avidly watching this program. Each week a “new” aspect of what is going on is presented. The money angle is in each episode, and I am confident that there will be one that focusses on this before all is said and done.

    • Captain MustSavage

      Follow the money. I hear ya.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Too much to read here, and so much that could be said. One thing about tonight’s episode struck me as comical. The neighbor with the dog was a bit of necessary humor. I couldn’t help but notice that during the second cutaway shot of her skulking in her backyard, you can see a squirrel scampering across the fence. A squirrel! One that doubtless was there to squirrel the Tech!

    • Ella Raitch

      It’s like an easter egg! If only we had enough geeks to watch this show over and over and look for all of this hidden meaning.
      How’s the valley looking these days

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I saw that too. Poor Sue, I wish we could have heard the voicemails.

  • Xenu’s son.

    Second season looks likely.The series seems to have legs.Will post Aaron’s numbers when they become available.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leah_Remini:_Scientology_and_the_Aftermath
    week1:2.11 million viewers
    week 2:1.57
    week 3:1.46,
    week 4:1.49
    week 5.1.65

    • ExCult.Jan

      Nice legs!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Well it didn’t take long for the Aaron Smiith-Levin Aftermath: After Money website to appear. http://www.aaronsmithlevin.com/#
    They have 6 slam videos including Heather’s mom & sister who claim he “snapped” at Heather. Sis says – “You know like my family we don’t talk to each other like that. My husband and I never would talk to each other like that. My dad would never talk to my mother like that.” This said by the family who refuses to speak to her at all!

    Collin’s baby-momma Sarah Erlich bad-mouths Aaron too. Videos by former colleagues and there is even a letter about Aaron sent to A&E from Karin Pouw. Same old slime. LAME!
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/15887c1ac0c6b00d66207408fa55dd2daacfd8514c9fc3ce8b9128c3d1e7bd13.png

    • Looking at this letter – i read it as this SCAM Herbalife is under FBI investigation and not the other way around ! wtf πŸ™‚
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c88527ed7844e02eae48d8d7e9f7f5481d16355d01364d74d264df72dd0e5358.jpg

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Did you read Pouw’s letter about Aaron?

        “…he now rants about his time on staff, feeding his hateful lies to hate blogger Tony Ortega and doing YouTube interviews with Mike Rinder and other members of the anti-Scientology clique.”

        Hate blogger Tony Ortega? They can say that on their hate blog with a straight face? SMH

        • Yeah! This will not go away as i will scrape anything they come with.

          ***You can print that out OSA#1***

        • chukicita

          I bet Karin Pouw wouldn’t be able to pick Aaron out of a lineup.

          I got to meet Aaron during the CW Call Me billboard unveiling. I looked him in the eyes and spoke with him.

          Pouw’s letter is laughable.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        https://www.factsaboutherbalife.com/ They’ve vowed to change their ways. Old news but I was verbally assaulted by a lady carrying her herbalife bag at Newark airport. Of course it was 5:30 am and I didn’t realize I was wearing my, SCIENTOLOGY KILLS sweatshirt. Anyway, Herbalife dodged this bullet last year.

        • This Herbalife is so full of Scientologists it’s ridiculous. he he! They all bought in to this crap! *facepalm*

          • Todd Tomorrow

            It is but they really target market to poor minorities. Watch a bit of the link. The recruit like $cientology Corp.

          • Todd Tomorrow
    • Juicer77

      Playbook. Now everyone knows what to expect, especially since Mike Rinder’s detailed explanation a few weeks ago. Absolutely laughable!!

      PS I protest calling Colin’s ex a baby momma. Those kiddos deserve some respect and privacy, and we don’t know what Colin’s relationship with their mom was like. Sadly, he’s gone, so he can’t speak.

  • ExCult.Jan

    More powerful every week to see the same Co$ disclaimers (dated Sept) posted without a single response or rebuttal. Lame.

  • This is a Google Drive Link to a PDF report on Tony’s Twitter activity (it’s a test but interesting)
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6poubKEKGhpLU1rT1hzZzMxemM

    • Worked for me, and a very interesting tool.
      The possibilities for using this here are vast.

      • Thanks! It could be a thing with tweeters

  • Dave Reams

    A&E is an interesting network with joint ventures in Latin America, Asia, India, and the UK that could serve up the tech for the planetary dissemnination of Leah’ show. Not even to mention syndication to other networks! Karen Pouw better start word clearin’ some new languages!

    This is not the first time A&E has done a series about a crime syndicate founded by a truly hideous buffoon named Ron and taken over by motorcycle riding Jack off.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1c18810d20dce8c8af8d5fe88a744b502581e032d1a06c0097a12f51c658b152.jpg

  • Todd Tomorrow

    I’m obsessed about learning all I can about WW2. I loved it when Levin compared them to the Hitler youth. German’s would just disappear if they made a remark against economic conditions, It was their friend;s who ratted them out. Also I’m so happy Leah is calling it a cult starting the episode before last!

    • Dave Reams

      What is also truly horrifying is the rise of the Nazis to power – before they began their wars and mass murders. How a whole nation sheepishly accepted hateful speech from a charismatic strongman who pledged to make Germany great again and clear their planet of supressive sub humans who deserved no rights and who should be disposed of quietly and without sorrow.

      • Captain MustSavage

        Dave, I wonder what life will be like under Trump

      • Dave Reams

        Hitler, when he was still just a small town booster, wrote a book called chow “Mein Kampf” in which he details greatly his plans to conquer the East (Russia), enslave its mongrol subhuman habitants and rid this quarter of the galaxy of other dangerous supressives – chiefly Jews.

        Ron Hubbard, in his publically availlable book “The Science of Survival”, advocates that “approximately 5% of the population should be disposed of quietly and without sorrow”

  • Juicer77

    For those who don’t tweet, there are suddenly a lot of junk twitter ads popping up with #ScientologyTheAftermath. Including cake recipes!! Made me LOL when I remember Tory Christman finding OSA had flooded critical message boards with the same.

    More OSA tomfoolery?
    Or just advertisers hopping on a hot topic?
    Either way, good news!

    • #Hashtag chasers… simply ads… I promote books on there πŸ™‚

      • Juicer77

        One is for a drone. LOLOLOLOL

    • Robert Eckert

      I’ll get suspicious if we see muffin recipes.

      • Juicer77

        πŸ˜‰

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    I thought I’d have organized a thought on this show by this morning but……I got nothing. Aaron’s grief hit me in a way I wasn’t expecting. I’ll just be over here nursing my coffee and trying to process the awesomeness of this series.

    • Gerard Plourde

      I had the same experience. The series speaks for itself and the truth it speaks is overwhelming.

  • I am so sorry this happened to you @aaronsmithlevin:disqus.

  • ThePandora622 .

    Aaron, you are so courageous and I applaud your journey to truth. I am so sorry for everything you’ve suffered. Blessings and hope.

  • Jennifer

    Aaron, wow! My husband and I cried when we saw your episode last night. I cannot even imagine! While I don’t know the circumstances surrounding your brother’s passing, but we both wonder if the church had something to do with the accident. Wishing you peace and happiness!

  • Lem Apperson

    In recent days, I’ve binge watched all of Leah Remini’s new A&E series. It’s been shocking to see whats been happening in and around Scientology. The Catholic priests and their boy toys seem like a side dish compared to the Scientology’s buffet of widespread abuse. To learn that this organization uses law enforcement, courts and governments to assist with their application of hatred is the most difficult to accept.

    Like many, I knew very little about Scientology. I remember the old TV ads for the book, later I learned it was a religious book. I was in Silicon Valley when the church was forced out before it even opened.

    Much like Clearwater is to Scientology, I now live in the epicenter of CBN/ 700 Club’s world. So I’ve meet hundreds who have gone on missions around the world. When you read about a disaster anywhere, its a good chance that someone here is on their way. I’ve meet Pat Robertson (I’m sure he is taller than David Misgavage.) You learn to expect that a church does charity work.

    I hope and pray that the Church of Scientology is finally taken to task for taking in so many wonderful people, taking advantage and destroying their lives.