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David Miscavige has plenty of new Scientology buildings set to open in 2017

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Rod Keller is back with his first social media round up of the new year. And once again, he keeps us updated on Scientology’s plans for new buildings around the world…

The Auckland, New Zealand Ideal Org is scheduled to open on January 21. Scientology has set up more openings for 2017, including Ideal Orgs in Mexico City, South Africa and the U.K.

The San Fernando Valley and Miami Ideal Orgs are also undergoing renovation, and Scientology leader David Miscavige, in his New Year’s event speech, said both would open this year. In the past, org openings have been subject to delays of many months, but for now the Auckland date seems firm.

 
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Auckland is the only org in New Zealand, and will be the fifth Ideal Org in the ANZO “continent,” according to Scientology’s classification, joining Sydney, Melbourne, Tokyo and Kaohsiung, Taiwan. The building is the former Whitecliffe Art College at 134 Grafton Rd in Auckland. It was purchased in 2007, but renovations did not start until 2015, when Google took this photo as part of their Streetview service, showing the building wrapped by the construction crew.

 
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Expect Scientology leader David Miscavige be present to pull the ribbon on the new facility, along with a number of local dignitaries. Scientologists from Taiwan and Australia will likely be attending, since many of them have contributed to the purchase and renovation. Scientology is increasingly asking members to contribute to other Ideal Orgs in their Continent long after their local org has opened.

 
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Scientologists paying for courses at the new Ideal Advanced Org in Chatswood, Australia received a special commendation this year for donating to Auckland. Auckland staff members Errol Schmidt and Darien Shea held fundraisers in Taiwan in August to raise money for their org. Singer David Pomeranz performed at a fundraiser in Sydney in November for ANZO Ideal Orgs, meaning Auckland. Pomeranz is the composer of the song “We Stand Tall.” The money raised by all of these events was not enough, and Scientology loaned over $26 million to fund the opening, as reported on Mike Rinder’s blog.

 
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The symbol of the new Ideal Org is the silver fern which is also the symbol of the national rugby team the All Blacks, as well as the New Zealand military since the Second Boer War in 1899. It is instantly recognizable to New Zealanders as the symbol of their country. Scientologists who join the staff before the opening will be awarded a special Founding Staff Member pin featuring the emblem. A recruiting drive for Ideal Org staff is one of the most significant clues that an org is nearing completion.

Meanwhile, in Mexico, ODD, or Organización Desarrollo y Dianética A.C., is being planned as Mexico’s second Ideal Org and the third for the LATAM continent, along with Mexico City and Bogota, Colombia. The current org building is being renovated, and the artist’s conception shows a building that is two stories taller than before to meet the 50,000 square feet minimum for Ideal Orgs.

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The Mendoza and Schwartz families were presented with a crystal model of the renovated org for their donations to ODD in October.

 
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A useful tool in predicting an org’s opening is the work being done to bring the central files up to date. In theory, no Ideal Org can open with a messy “CF.” We asked a former staff member what all this work accomplishes.

CF are “Central Files” and form part of Div2 of the org. Every person who has ever done a service or bought a book has a file in Central Files. The files are divided into 3 categories: Book Buyers, Div6 (these would be people who have only done introductory services such as the life improvement courses, Dianetics seminars and Dianetics auditing) and Div4 Training and Processing public (people who have done main org services like grade chart actions/auditing, major academy courses, and auditor training.

Information is kept in the file on which books were purchased, any mailings done to the person, copies of letters written to them, etc. In the Div4 files a list of all services completed by the person would be kept, also copies of letters sent to them, statements of account etc. All invoices generated in the org have a CF copy and all invoices are also filed in person’s CF Folder.

When computerized systems were introduced there was a CF system designed which is supposed to be an exact duplicate of the physical CF. Because LRH wrote the policy on a physical file being kept for every single person, the antiquated manual system is still maintained. The CF system on computer is a total disaster and CF is always a total shambles with backdated filing not kept up to date. One of the golden rules is that once a person makes it onto the CF of an org they are never removed. LRH wrote in a Policy that CF was 80 percent of an organization’s income – and thus crucial to the livelihood of all orgs.

One of the org’s most crucial stats is called BMO, or Bulk Mail Out and every week it is expected that thousands of mailing promo pieces are sent to people from the org’s CF. I would say that 80 percent of the mail does not reach its intended recipient due to wrong addresses, people moved, not interested etc.

The Letter Registrars’ job is to write letters to people in the org’s CF every week. There is a very specific policy of how this is done. A Letter Reg is supposed to pull the CF file, study it, then write a personal letter to that person encouraging them to come take their next step on the bridge etc. The org’s CF lists are printed out used several times a year to phone the public members to get them to attend upcoming events.

These CF volunteers are supposed to be pulling every single file, confirming that the address and telephone numbers are valid, updating the manual files and computer system. It’s laborious as the computer system is so outdated. They use DOS based operating systems running on the same Novell network platform as the telex and finance systems. There are apparently no qualified INCOMM staff that could write a more modern system.

In theory no Ideal Org may open until its CF is 100 percent “in PT,” or Present Time, meaning fully up to date. It’s a target that I doubt has ever been achieved by any Ideal Org to date. The systems don’t integrate, so when a public from one org goes to another to find a qualified auditor for a particular service, that guy is now added to the new org’s CF so now he will get the same mailing from two different orgs. Then he goes to Flag for services and the same thing happens again. A household can get dozens of copies of the same mailing, one for each member of the family, plus duplicate copies from numerous orgs, or with slightly differently spelled names that the system can’t identify as duplicates. When somebody complains about it, they can be threatened for having “CI,” or counter intention to org expansion because they are reducing the BMO statistic.

 
Johannesburg North has announced to members that they intend to open their Ideal Org in 2017, and have put out calls for new staff and volunteers to work on CF. It will be the third Ideal Org in the African continent, along with Johannesburg and Pretoria.

 
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The new building was purchased in 2014 as an occupied office building, and renovations will be inexpensive compared to other Ideal Orgs in dilapidated historic buildings.

 
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The Birmingham, England Ideal Org made a surprise announcement recently that renovations will start in 2017. It will be the second Ideal Org in the UK, joining London. The Pitmaston building dates to the 1930s, and was purchased by Scientology in 2008. In order to put their postulates in the physical universe, Scientology is displaying a gingerbread version of the building at the U.K. headquarters at Saint Hill.

 
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Keep an eye out for calls to join staff or work on CF as the opening date approaches.

 
— Rod Keller

 
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Go here to start making your plans.

 
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  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Anyone else have problems accessing the site for the first 50 minutes?

    ETA. Happy New Year, Rod 🙂

    • Yes—could only get at it via Diqsuk 😉

    • Yes – but we appear OK now.

    • ReallyMGM

      Yes. Thought it was on my side since I have memory issues in the iPad

    • Kim O’Brien

      yes ..i almost facebooked you LOL . I need to get a life

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I was getting close to sending up an SOS flare, too 😛

    • Ron Schmidt

      Yup….. wondering if CO$ was messing with the website?

      • ReallyMGM

        It started earlier than 6 am. Was a 500 error, which is just a general error.

    • Silence of the Clams

      I was. I was also thinking that if COS decided now was a good time to use a DOS attack on the bunker, they are a few years too late.

    • What’sup

      Yep.

    • GARRY PAGE

      Yes : 504 and 500 errors.Now OK.

    • PickAnotherID

      Yes. Was getting ‘forever clocking’ or random ‘500’ series errors trying to access the site. Never had anything like that here before. Weird.

    • Roger Y

      It was the Russians

  • TonyOrtega

    Sorry for the hiccup this morning. Scott is looking into what happened.

    • send him to the RPF

      • ReallyMGM

        Stand in the corner.

      • Sunny

        You can’t send someone to the RPF without labeling them first. Lets call it suppressive reasonableness (which is an actual thing in Scn).
        Example of suppressive reasonableness: You are sent to reg two people, but they already went home. You go to their house, bang on the door, no answer, they are not home. You wait 3 hours until they come home, persuade them to let you in their house and proceed to reg them. They tell you they don’t have money, but you push them anyway, and manage to get 1/2 of your quota (which wipes out their kids college fund)…. you head back to the org, thinking you accomplished something! Nope! Suppressive reasonableness! How dare you listen to their objections!
        To the RPF for suppressive reasonableness!!!!

        • ReallyMGM

          You are so wise, Sunny. We will put you in charge once the offenders get there. Just kidding! 🙂

          ETA: Not about being wise, but about being the leader of the rpf. Yuk.

          • Sunny

            Wisened up, more like it.
            Just enjoy explaining Scn for some reason.

            • Kim O’Brien

              will we get to see you at HowdyCon?

            • Sunny

              Maybe. Do I have to put my name in or can I show up if I can make it? (May be last minute that I know if I can go or not).

            • Kim O’Brien

              😉 no need to put your name anywhere . If it is last minute and all of the hotel rooms are taken …just let me know . I have a room there that you can have since my house is only like 5 miles away from downtown .

            • StudentOfLife

              Kim, I will be staying with friends and teaching tennis before and after the event more than likely….one of the perks of being in tennis coaching for so long. Will also offer a free tennis clinic (if we need more coaches, I will compensate them) if there is interest in putting something together for Bunkerues (still thinking of Marty, lol) as an outside activity. Just some thoughts. If anyone can’t go because they can’t afford a room, I might be able to also provide some safe lodging given I know so many coaches. I was wondering if we should or is there a special fund set aside for key people we might want there.

            • Kim O’Brien

              free tennis clinic sounds fun . I’m sure you have connections to clubs , but there are courts in City Park ..right by the zoo and just east of downtown . I don’t think they reserve courts but i could be wrong . You might be able to . It is Denver Parks and Rec https://www.denvergov.org/content/denvergov/en/denver-parks-and-recreation/parks/find-a-park.html

            • StudentOfLife

              Great, I’ll check and see if there are fees to pay. Most clubs don’t allow a clinic from a non-member but since these would involve no paid lessons, usually city and public courts are fine. Let me know if anyone who would want to be there except for cost of lodging has an issue. I would love to help find an (anonymous) solution.

            • Bavarian Rage

              Keep explaining away…what you have to say and all your personal experiences are always interesting.

        • we need to fill out all the forms!

        • SarahDB

          That is just so ridiculous a term that it shows how complete the brainwashing is inside the bubble, so sad that people actually enforce it.

        • PickAnotherID

          Let me get this straight. Being reasonable when raising funds, and leaving people enough money to buy food and pay the rent, is a “suppressive act” within $cientology???

          And they are tax exempt why??

        • Xique

          I had this very experience in our home. I was speechless for an entire month afterwards. Half of our retirement account got hit, no joke. A nightmare just thinking about it. We told them exactly that, “we don’t have the money.” They pushed, he caved. I fought them. They somehow won that battle. That was 2009, I’m still recovering our loss and my sanity. The marriage has not recovered. Am I bitter? Ah you might say.
          I’m hopeful still for the future, despite the damn “church” and these reg’s that have impacted my world. Ever hopeful. Thanks for sharing Sunny, and allowing me to do the same.

          • BronxLaurie10

            That’s horrible. It’s scary how persuasive they can be.

            Sending you best wishes and better times in the year to come.

    • OOkpik

      ‘We’ll let you know if we receive a reply.’

    • Cats sleeping in the server?

  • Jack99

    We stand tall! Time to rewatch the neurotology sketch!

  • Chee Chalker

    I guess Chicago has to wait another year……sigh…..always the bridesmaid…..

    Hope everyone had a Happy (and safe) New Year celebration!

    • ReallyMGM

      The eyesore gets to stay there. It will leak and rot more. Sorry.

      • Chee Chalker

        You’re not kidding. I haven’t been by there in a while, but last time I checked it was sitting mostly empty racking up building code violations.

        The smart thing to do would be to keep tenants and collect rent until they were ready to renovate. Who knows, maybe there are a few tenants left and it’s not just sitting there as an expensive placeholder.
        I haven’t been inside. Ah….maybe a field trip in the Spring

        I’d take a walk by there, but it’s too cold to be strolling around. So I’ll wait until May. It’s not like anything will happen before then.

        Lou will be so excited to be queen of New Zealand for a day! I’m almost jealous, but if I were her, I would have a Plan B for when she falls out of favor.

        • ReallyMGM

          I saw the picture of the rotting wood window frames they had patched with spray foam insulation. It needed renovation in a bad way.

          • Chee Chalker

            I think the foam spray pics were from the existing Chicago Org, which is in a storefront property on the North Side. It’s been there a long time and the neighborhood has experienced gentrificarion (it was never too seedy, but its definitely increased in hipster value)
            So, if that is how they maintain their existing Org, I can’t wait to see how they handle a building 10x the size (the ‘future’ Org is in the south Loop (downtown) area). It’s a large, old building that requires a lot of upkeep. I’d love to see what it looks like on the inside!

            • ReallyMGM

              Thanks for the info. The bottom line is the organization does not have enough people to maintain their buildings and sell the Scientology products.

            • Chee Chalker

              That is for sure. Outside of Clearwater and LA. I really don’t understand how they convince themelves otherwise (cognitive dissonance and the ‘it must just be this Org that is completely empty’ syndrome)
              Though Chicago is the home of the Nation of Islam. So we have that going for us!

            • ReallyMGM

              I think NOI will keep the Atlanta Ideal Org staffed. I see where there organization has helped out the St. Louis org in the past, so I don’t doubt Chicago will be helped out by them at all. I’m not sure about Nashville, but it is, for all intents and purposes, empty most of the time despite all the advertising and community outreach the few members they have have done. I don’t know how they keep the doors open, but I don’t think they will never close…

    • Plymouth (UK) too. Back in September 2014 Lisa Coffey, a UK representative for the CofS, told the local newspaper:

      […] the current main focus for the Church of Scientology in the UK was on opening a new site in Birmingham. “After the Birmingham site is open we’ll be looking at Plymouth and Manchester”, she said. “Once Birmingham is open, we will have more of an idea of when Plymouth will open. We’re desperate to open it soon, but these things take time”.

      https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/09/03/scientology-spokesperson-puts-back-the-opening-of-plymouth-ideal-org-yet-again/

      Since it was bought in 2010, the place has rotted, and been stripped out for income (losing historical features to car boot sales in the process). It’s now 2017.

      However, in November 2016, the CofS released a rendering of what the restored building would look like (as if prepared for a Nazi rally, to my eye) https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2016/11/06/plymouth-ideal-org-fantasies-and-lies/ and Scientologists have been seen inspecting the roof, which has been leaking for many years, allowing water to run down the interior walls when the buckets under the leaks overflow.

      It would be a wonderful place for a speech by Miscavige (for protesters, that is) because would be next to impossible to exclude the public in any way – it does not have an enclosed area for the traditional seating, big video screens and boom cameras. .

      I don’t think it’s ever going to open, because there are only 30 Scientologists in the whole area. They are predominantly ‘lifers’, and it’s in a terrible location… but if ‘command intention’ is to open new buildings for the ‘statistic’, regardless of practicality, it might just go ahead.

      Getting planing permission will require one hell of a fight.

      • PickAnotherID

        Long term mixing of water and walls is a major “not good” thing. I hope the authorities demand a complete safety inspection by an independent of $cientology structural engineer before allowing anyone to muck around within it.

        • Especially in an old building which uses a lot of granite and lime. We are on it.

          • PickAnotherID

            Great!

        • Or live in it…

      • ReallyMGM

        The Plymouth UK Ideal Org building is another one that appears to be rotting according the pictures posted.

        Checked Google Maps for the current Plymouth Org (tiny) and someone has pictures of Willie and Phil’s “Call Me” campaign on it and Child Labor picture. Great! Love it!

    • SarahDB

      I know, right? How about Boston I ask? Now that they offloaded the derelict hotel in the south end they have a boring office building on the outskirts of Boston with a great view of the Mass Pike (toll road through Boston). Could it be that there are few local Scilons to fork over more cash??

      • That is a big city.

      • Ann B Watson

        Boston Mass my birthplace and hometown.Only Miscavige in his OT wisdom would get out of the handsome building in Beacon Hill years ago and move to a thrilling view of the Mass Pike! That’s 47x straight down.He forgets alot of rebels in Beantown.Good to meet you.❤️💘

        • Kim O’Brien

          i was born in Chelsea and my fam is from Somerville 🙂

    • That’s a big city.

    • Uh, I don’t know if you’re aware of it but the Cubs won the world series this year, ending a century-long drought. I think if you ask any Chicago native that there’s no more “bridesmaid syndrome” in the Windy City.

      I’m sure if you asked them if they felt that Chicago was in the middle of another 100-year losing streak regarding getting their own Scientology Ideal Org and that they were the perennial bridesmaid compared to Portland, Atlanta and the Valley in the Ideal Org race, you’d probably get some very interesting responses that would make a fun video.

      • ze moo

        Why is getting an ‘ideal org’ a good thing? The Chitowners were and are perfectly happy to be missing out on that scam. With gang problems galore and more gunfire than Afghanistan {but, let’s be honest, slightly fewer drone strikes}, Chicago has more important things to worry about.

      • Chee Chalker

        I’ll stumble by the Org on my way home from a Cubs game next year (it’s not too far from Wrigley, especially if you’ve had a few…) and ask them.
        Though I might be the recipient of ‘bucket tech’. I almost feel sorry for this guy….

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dENWfdBnKMQ&sns=em

        • Bo

          It looks like that protest was almost 5 years ago. Wonder how many have had wth moments and defected. Love the “bucket tech.”

    • Ann B Watson

      Happy 2017 Chee.Love Love You.💛💖

      • Chee Chalker

        Same to you Annie B!! Happy New Year my friend!

    • Bo

      One of the best things about 2016 ⚾️, if not the greatest thing about 2016, involved Chicago. Happy New Year.

  • Silence of the Clams

    More Ideal Org openings. Well, the little tyrant doesn’t have much choice does he? He’s got to hide that money and try to make things look respectable. But he will burn through the money, the buildings will remain empty and then they will slowly decay as the cult can’t afford the upkeep. There is no way they are pulling in the same amount of money as they used to. Not after losing some of their strongest reg’s and not after Tony and the Bunker and certainly not after Leah.

  • What’sup

    That ANZO building is beautiful. I’m glad it’s being restored, even if it is by Dave.

  • Xenu is my Homeboy
    • PickAnotherID

      Have they actually started, or is $cientology just saying they will start in 2017?

    • From what I’ve learned of the way these things are disorganised, no.

      I think that the best that they could manage on short notice would be some cosmetic work aimed at improving PR. They can’t advance the timetable because the procedures they must follow are incredibly inflexible, and that very long time-scale maximises the amount of money that is made from the ‘renovations’ scam.

      Having said that, the ‘Super Power’ building was probably forced to open after bad publicity – but that had been raking cash in for decades.

      I believe that the only way this long, drawn-out process could be short-circuited is if Miscavige gets it into his head that they need to open something here – and even then, he’s not renowned for advancing projects in a timely manner.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    With all these Ideal Orgs opening, why not have an Ideal Muffin?

    Gold Base Ideal Muffins
    4 cups of organic whole-wheat pastry flour
    1 cup organic corn meal
    2 cups of Kool-Aid
    1 cup of woo (hand-beaten)
    1 cup of Love-Bomb – this must be ice-cold
    1 cup of Niacin
    1 cup of Cal-Mag
    Zest of a dozen naifs, grated very finely
    1 tsp delusion
    1 tsp hope, ground in mortar and pestle
    1 Tsp narcissism, more is better
    Sour grapes can be substituted for the Cal-Mag

    Fold the narcissism, hope and delusion into the Kool-Aid
    Mix all ingredients well, while screaming.
    Put in well-oiled titanium muffin-tins
    Cook in sauna at 470 degrees until quite flushed

    Serve cold, declared, disgruntled and disconnected.

    DM, this push for more buildings is but proof of your predicament.
    How to maintain the illusion of expansion?
    How to maintain a semblance of IRS compliance?

    Tick Tock

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ed0111151ea66ea513d7a26c05e99af12cb05300dd888b27431280611518fdb.jpg

    • Roger Y

      “2 cups of Kool-Aid” – classic, says all you need to know……..

      • Techie

        I have it on good authority that it was actually Flavor-Aid that was used at Jonestown to slaughter the innocents. So authentic Ideal Muffins would use Flavor-Aid, preferably with artificial sweetener to provide that nasty bitter after-taste. You would think that natural selection would have made the true naif unavailable in the modern age. Between the internet and universal literacy the classic true blind innocent is under daily assault. It should be an endangered species. But despite the natural reproduction failures and short lifetime of the true naif, large numbers are still found in the wild. I guess hope springs eternal in the human breast.

    • Draco

      “1 tsp hope, ground in mortar and pestle”

      Hope, despite all evidence to the contrary, that THIS ideal org will be the one that somehow beats the trend and actually will do everything Miscavige claims ideal orgs do…
      Tons of public flowing in, simply because it’s there.
      Auditors being trained by the dozens.
      Staff members getting paid a living wage.
      Excellent area PR control.
      Ron’s tech, revised, altered and reissued by DM back to it’s original pure form, magically curing all that ails you…

      Yes. Hope – ground in mortar and pestle…

    • chukicita

      I tried these, but after about 4,700 blinks in the sauna, the radiation was starting to run out. I added all the money in my bank account, and took out a loan. They turned out fine, until Thursday.

      • MarcabExpat

        VWD

      • Alice Graves

        Too funny,

    • MarcabExpat

      Zest of a dozen naifs, grated very finely

      Oof, that one got me right in the feels.

    • Mary

      So clever

    • J.Neira

      LOL!

    • Fred G. Haseney

      Tasty, too!

    • Scott H

      Lovely muffins but we cut the woo to half a cup and kick the niacin up by half for that healthy “fresh from the microwave” look. Top with fresh strawberry/elitism spread. Yummy!

    • Xique

      “Fold the narcissism. hope and delusion into the Koop-Aid .” This is exactly how the recipe goes, I remember it now.
      Amazing !

    • beauty for ashes

      Mix all ingredients well, while screaming, and cursing. Then throw a fit and refuse to clean up. Wake someone up who hasn’t had sleep in 72 hours and had just drifted off. order them and their children to get back in and clean up this GD mess. <– This is a nice addition to the recipe, some folks don't like the bitter aftertaste though.

  • PickAnotherID

    “One of the golden rules is that once a person makes it onto the CF of an org they are never removed. LRH wrote in a Policy that CF was 80 percent of an organization’s income – and thus crucial to the livelihood of all orgs.”

    Isn’t maintaining bulk files on people forever illegal in many European countries??

    • Mark Foster

      yes.

    • IANAL but AFAIK yes, it is. There is a European Union “law” (don’t know the English word) on privacy which all EU members have implemented into their own laws. In May 2018, there will be an even stricter new one.

      ETA: directive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_Directive

    • I was very interested to hear this, and would be fascinated by the LRH references and any official CofS policy to that effect. This practice stands in direct contradiction to present UK Data Protection law, administered by the Data Protection Registrar. .

      You are only allowed to keep personally identifiable data about an individual for a limited period after your relationship with them has ceased. Keeping the names and addresses of people who merely bought a book, and stating that they can never be removed is directly contrary to law.

      I have to go out now, but I”ll get back to replies in a few hours.

      • Techie

        If you can find a copy of the Org Executive Course Volume 1 (Hubbard Communications Office) it is all detailed there. What goes in the folders, what is done with them, how they are stored, every detail is there. This is not available right now from Scientology directly but I found a PDF http://www.tep-online.info/laku/usa/reli/scien/SECRETDOX/OEC1_txt.pdf Possibly you need a former Scientologist to dig through this and excerpt the relevant points, I haven’t the time right now.

        • Thanks for that. I may know just the man to do the digging.

    • chukicita

      I wonder if they won’t try to get around that by keeping their central files in the U.S.

      • PickAnotherID

        But that would be “off policy”. Of course that’s never been a problem for Miscavige before…

    • In 2009 a Dutch journalist did an undercover op at the Amsterdam org

      http://www.ivovanwoerden.com/resources/Revu/20090812-Revu-Scientology.pdf (Dutch)

      There were even questions in parliament about COS filing everything on everyone.

      WWP thread about it: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/questions-in-parliament-and-investigation-into-scientology-netherlands.45041/

      Sadly, it led nowhere.

    • Tony carried a Péter Bónyai story about Hungary raiding the Church of Scientology over data protection concerns. See second item: http://tonyortega.org/2016/12/11/scientology-not-very-effective-in-washington-politics-but-it-tries-tries-again/

    • I happen to be spending far more time than necessary of late trying to figure out the impact of new EU laws like Privacy Shield and the upcoming ones on US companies doing business in Europe. A lot of these laws are motivated by the Snowden revelations of NSA snooping on European citizens and fears that US companies, who are subject to US court subpoenas, are going to be aiding and abetting this effort.

      I would be extremely confident that the EU (and UK) laws do apply to the cult, especially since their charitable and religious status in the EU is not 100% like in the US. If anyone has connection with the relevant EU or UK regulators who can make the pitch personally, it might be an interesting test case of the enforcement and penalty side. I’m sure they’d prefer a marquee US company like Google or Facebook or Wal-Mart as a test case, but these guys are a much easier target.

  • Newiga

    What? Their gingerbread Ideal Org is not over-the-top like everything else in Scientology? Hate to break it to you but that postulate is never gonna stick.

    • That is the proposed Birmingham Ideal Org, you can tell by the icing corbels.

      • Newiga

        D’oh! Of course it is. Fixed. Thanks. 🙂

      • Corbels – I learned that word after I wrote about a large chunk of timber that had fallen off of Plymouth Org, and learned that is was called a Corbel. (photographs at the bottom of this page https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/11/24/scientology-makes-you-more-capable-except-when-it-doesnt/ )

        It had rotted away at the base because of a nearby guttering downpipe had leaked all over it for years. Incredibly, there is now water coming in through the window from the same source, and the response of the ‘able beings’ within is to put a waste paper bin under the leak, and periodically empty it when it rains.

  • Scott H
  • ONEpointONE

    So many Orgs so little scientology.

  • pluvo

    David Miscavige proves ‘unprecedented expansion’ of Scientology by being the Commander in Chief of the Idel Org Ribbon Yanking. So to say he is the Ideal Ribbon Yanker.

    http://f.edgesuite.net/imagecache/scalefit-762×640@as=1/data/www.freedommag.org3/201508-war-on-drugs/the-city-closest-to-heaven-ribbon-pull.jpg

  • Fink Jonas

    He has so much cash accumulated he can afford to buy and build up just to impress some whales and have a good video for New years and then waste them and let them rot, is that some kind of reach and withdraw tech? But isn’t that going to be a wake up call to the people that donated for the now empty rotten building? Oh I get it blame it on the city permits they are bigots do you have another 100K we buying on the other side of town for the next New Years video and so it goes…etc etc etc

  • Draco

    Niel Malherbe is in charge of CF at Joburg North. Well then, it should soon be fucked up even worse than it is now! Don’t think I have ever seen him touch something without screwing it up in some way in very short order. Plus he’s pretty ancient now, so I am sure that whatever “abilities” he had in the past are fast fading.

    But, I’m sure that scientology will fix him soon… after all, he’s only been in the cult for about 5 decades.

    • Sunny

      This is sad. This is the end result of Scn?

      • Draco

        Pretty much…

    • Newiga

      That’s extremely sad. 🙁 Five decades…

      • Draco

        There are quite a few of those old people with that length of time behind them.

    • Missionary Kid

      Two statements that were made independently about one individual I was in the military with, and it appears that they are applicable to Niel as well.

      “He’s spring loaded to the fucked up position.”

      “If you put him with a bowling ball in a padded cell, he’d either break it or lose it.”

      • Mark Foster

        Stolen! Crying with laughter…Thanks, MK!

      • Draco

        😀 – that’s about right!

  • Mary

    Thank you Tony. I always enjoy the Rod Keller finds.
    Another interesting set of pictures. Looks like david miscavige is going to be very busy this year expanding – with great big empty buildings. What then? What’s his big plan once these great big empty buildings are peppering the globe. (I feel sorry for the staff that are responsible for keeping the lights on in these buildings – or do I.)

  • PickAnotherID

    O/T Reminder – Today is ‘Happy Mew Year for Cats Day’. And if you haven’t already, remember to get your 2017 Kitteh Calendar.
    http://www.letteringdelights.com/images/product/13824/happy-mew-year-gs-250×250.jpg

    • Edward Whalley

      Happy St. Avigal’s! (The cat in the manger, protectrix of the Christ Child.)

    • Ann B Watson

      I Adore Cats so now I love you.😻❤️

    • Gladys Kravitz

      heya pick! glad to see you safely home after DAPL. <3

      and KITTEHS rule. imma go hug my fur babies when i get home.

  • Phil McKraken

    Belly laugh of the day: When a person complains of receiving duplicate mailings, they are accused of reducing the bulk mailing statistics.

    • Draco

      IKR?

  • Ann B Watson

    Thank you Tony & Rod,most interesting.What I feel apart from my “fondness” for dear CF & the so ridiculous a report on how a letter reg writes a letter,may I say that is Not the way I wrote my letters by Thursday @ 2:00.It was hell for leather every Thurs.& when I was Advance Scheduling Reg even worse.So got a laugh right there.Thinking about Miscavige however,no matter what he pulls off now ,he is just a empty puppet of his own ego,wanking ribbons for empty buildings in areas of the world where he can parade his scam to the max.His World will implode at some point because all the money and all the real estate and all the RTC mountains and all the come back Ron mega-mansions cannot replace actual bodies coming in each day for services.Aftermath has blown the lock off the massive dark doors of Scientology.Now we all need to push them off their hinges!And take care of those still ins who will be confused and alone.Happy 1/2/17 and I Love You All.❤️💛

    • Arthur Pewtie

      I don’t know if it was deliberate or accidental, but “wanking ribbons” made me laugh.

      • Ann B Watson

        Arthur when it comes to Miss Ann my stylus goes slower than my brain.You made me laugh at me.Wanking was accidental but it works.Good to meet you.❤️

        • April

          Don’t correct it. It’s perfectly accurate.

          • Ann B Watson

            💋💋Hugs.

        • Arthur Pewtie

          Glad I could give you a laugh in return! Good to meet you also. I always enjoy your posts.

    • ze moo

      Some jokes just write themselves. Yankers are wankers….

      • Ann B Watson

        zemoo we have it made.A tee shirt Yankers are Wankers.Love it & you.💛

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Davey was a violent little wanker
    He worked as a ribbon yanker
    Auckland, Brum and Miami
    New Orgs fishy and clammy
    Epic fail, poor Lou, he will spank her

    Here we see DM’s new tailor-made suit,
    surrounded as he is by ex-clams.
    (We had vongole last night 🙂
    He’s going to need a tougher shell, I reckon.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5796d08a4ef576dd3cf75c4951439e7fdccd9f5bc5c06100dfeeabf812e19003.jpg

  • Kathleen Willhite

    Seriously is that a gingerbread house modified to look like a mock up of an ideal org? Or is it clay?

    • Mark Foster

      Both. Homo Novis gingerbread. A whole new era of OT baking(without bongs).

  • Sejanus

    $cientology needs more of its buildings wrapped in giant condoms.

    • Rasha

      I thought Preventive Dianetics caused gods…

      • eeehhh ? lol

        • Rasha

          Per the flyer in Saturday’s post.

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s ironic, because Tiny Dick heads up $cientology.

    • Newiga

      Especially now that Going Clear and Leah’s show have attracted more attention to Scientology, don’t you think? The security measures are going to be through the roof if Miscavige wants to keep the charade together for the whales and remaining clams.

    • PickAnotherID

      Headed to the ‘Buy one, get one free’ pitchfork sale at Home Depot.

      • kemist

        I was going to comment that this mob needs moar pitchforks, but that would explain it.

  • One of the interesting aspects of today’s post is the description of the Central Files operation and of the “Bulk Mail Out” statistic. Each organization has an incentive to keep wasting money by sending out letters to people that it knows will never buy another thing from Scientology — people that have hung up on the phone and demanded never to be called, people who have moved to another org, and people who have “dropped the body” and are thus almost certain never to darken the doorway of an Ideal Org.

    This situation, where people have an incentive to do something that is not aligned with the organization’s goals, is called a “perverse incentive.” Any organization finds itself in situations from time to time where some policy inadvertantly creates perverse incentives. A good example is a company whose sales people are compensated on the amount of sales invoiced, which can create a perverse incentive to sell to lower-quality customers that end up being unable to pay. Most companies eventually correct that problem by paying sales people their commissions when the invoiced amount is collected, and some penalize sales people by more than the commission they would receive on a customer who defaults.

    We’ve all worked in organizations where these things exist. The difference between the real world and Scientology is that a successful organization will eventually figure out that a perverse incentive has been created and will then correct it. But Scientology can’t fix the many things wrong in “admin tech,” including the countless perverse incentives created in the system of “stats” because, as the article points out, they’re enshrined in Holy Writ.

    What’s the eventual result of so many perverse incentives? The organization becomes fatally off course and it is unable to correct itself if it discovers that it’s headed for the rocks. While this situation of being unable to evolve is ultimately fatal to any organization, it’s also the slowest-moving cause of death, taking years if not decades to cause organizational collapse. So the point of all this is that Admin Tech, with the stupidity enshrined here with the countless other examples many ex staffers have brought to light, means that the cult cannot survive. Unfortunately, incompetence is such a slow motion killer that Scientology has limped along for decades and will limp along for decades more.

    That said, here’s my New Year’s message: we’ve started to see evidence in the last year or two that the cult knows it’s headed towards the rocks, and we’ll see more this year. We’re at the point where the meltdowns will be hard to predict because they’ll likely come from unexpected quarters; the cult’s too small now to predict smooth degradation. But there are stresses inside the organization that will become visible. And the insanity will really accelerate when it’s clear that Miscavige realizes that what he’s doing is going to fail completely. I think he’s not only putting up this Potemkin Village expansion illusion for his members but he’s also deceiving himself, and I don’t think he’ll be able to fool himself much longer. Like Hubbard, Miscavige is a con man who at least partially believes his own bullshit — remember that Hubbard actually thought e-meters and exorcism of invisible dead space cooties that cling to his skin would help his own mental illness. And I think Hubbard “retreated from the lines” several years before his death as he increasingly realized that all the “tech” he invented would never help him.

    • Rasha

      …but… Pamphlets!

    • Victoria Pandora

      Found at ESMB this morning. Letter reges gone wild.
      I can only imagine the tone of the few responses $cn. is getting to their bulk mail out these day. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c19178703dcd641dff90af8729e17a863a7843dd3796a595d11cb21a8db4d29f.jpg

      • Draco

        Is that real??? :-0

        • Victoria Pandora

          Yep. CommunicatorI/C posted it on ESMB.
          It was a tweet by the guy who received the letter.

      • PickAnotherID

        Probably figured it would get a response, however nasty, that would count towards the ‘incoming mail’ stats.

      • Draco

        Do you have a link?

      • kemist

        Mmmmmm…

        There is no ML or ARC…

      • Is this guy’s first name Mike?

        • Draco

          No. I think Morgan is Mike’s nephew. Mike’s brother is Pat Habib, also a clam and he and his wife Rene have several kids; I think some are in the Sea Org. They are all South African. Morgan would be a born in.

          • he he… nice family tree, but i was thinking of Mike Tyson 🙂

            • Draco

              Haha! Thought you wre talking about Mike Habib 😀

      • Ann B Watson

        Victoria,This old letter reg from the Sea Org trenches at Asho Fdn,had to pick myself up off the floor,partly from laughing and partly from a few tears.Oh Cult how much lower can you go?Wallowimg in the bs muck right now.Actually keep on writing letters like the above sure to keep more from ever going to Scientology.Thank you Victoria.❤️💖

      • ze moo

        Morgan Habib is him or herself a ‘douchebag’. If that letter is real, internal discipline is gone. That bodes well…

      • Rasha

        “Dude, you sound like the biggest douche bag ever. What did we do wrong?”

        Well, for starters, you misspelled “Grant Cardone” as “Tyson”….

        • Lars Rosenquist

          “Dude, you sound like the biggest douche bag ever. What did we do wrong?”
          and the letterhead
          “GOLDEN AGE OF KNOWLEDGE CENTER”
          Morgan Habib, That’s just so credible – nobody could resist answering your letter by writing everything down on 12 pieces of paper, putting it in the mailbox and waiting in an excited state for 2-3 months before receiving an answer to come in to start on a routing form to the reg, IAS-reg, WTH-reg, ethics-officer, back to the reg, IAS-reg, WTH-reg.

        • Mary

          “What did we do wrong?” Wow. Case gain. The writer didn’t say, “What did you do wrong?” Although, that’s what he means.

        • Jo Ann Morgan

          LOL!!!!!!!

      • otviii2late

        People, here is what is happening for real. The letter reg thinks he is cleverly applying LRH tone scale tech and is sure this letter will get a response. I am serious. He has pegged Tyson’s tone level as 1.1 (covert hostility) based on reading Tyson’s earlier letters which are kept and filed. (Tyler earlier asked to cut comm ‘attacking’ Scientology so he is obviously SP and therefore 1.1) By going up to the next higher tone level of anger, the reg is expecting to make Tyson come ‘uptone’ to anger and respond. You have just seen a demonstration of LRH tech at work. A copy of Morgan’s letter will then be put in the folder for the next letter reg to admire and nod knowingly at this fine application of LRH tech at work. I’m serious.

        • An attitude which functions to defuse criticism, because the person who wrote the reply genuinely thinks that they have effectively addressed the problem (at least, for as long as they stay within the bubble).

    • PickAnotherID

      It’s kind of old, but his book, “The New Plague: Organizations in Complexity” ISBN-13: 978-0937063033, actually helps understand why $cientology, as created by Hubbard and implemented by Miscavige, is failing. And why they can’t fix themselves..
      https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/511YftK8qXL._SX362_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

      • KingofSweden

        This cover ftw

        • PickAnotherID

          It’s half of a water color called ‘Meeting of Members of the Board’ by Rob Schouten. The other half is on the back cover.

  • PickAnotherID

    O/T – Grandaughter #1 just forwarded this to me on the way the mind of a cat really works…
    http://iizcat.com/uploads/2014/05/w1odo-mew.jpg

  • kemist

    If you were willing to take responsibility for others than yourself. And you had no conquering fear of atomic bombs; you had no great fear of other things, of political upsets, of inflation or something of the sort. And you were taking responsibility for other people.

    o_O

    What is this supposed to inspire me to do, exactly ? Build atomic bombs to cure inflation ?

    And to think he had not even had a stroke before writing that nonsense.

    • PickAnotherID

      Shouldn’t that read, “…taking responsibility for other people’s money.”??

    • Rasha

      My crippling fear of inflation prevents me of taking responsibility for others. Don’t get me started on the mind-numbing terror of changing smoke alarm batteries, or the paralyzing horror of printer paper jams… in fact, if this over-easy egg yolk breaks before getting to the plate, I may just go tharn.

  • Bavarian Rage

    Ugh! The write up on Central Files is so depressing (though simultaneously interesting). Anyone who’s ever dealt with old, archived files, like me, probably feels their hands withering in dryness and dust at the thought. As an administrative assistant, there’s nothing more dreaded than filing-specifically working with disorganized archived records. And the described state of the computerized file system–point me to the near bridge…NOT Elron’s! The kind you jump off!

  • kemist

    They use DOS based operating systems running on the same Novell network
    platform as the telex and finance systems. There are apparently no
    qualified INCOMM staff that could write a more modern system.

    So no one in there can mount a simple SQL database ? It could even be made with MongoDB, FFS.

    Bwahahahahaha…

    They’re doomed.

    • Bavarian Rage

      I don’t know what you just said, but I agree completely! 🤓

    • Rasha

      I’m sure they’ve managed to secure the latest release of DOS. It’s already available on 3.5″ floppies!

      • Juicer77

        Hee hee

    • PickAnotherID

      If they’re running DOS, it’s probably some kind of dBase-II thing they messed up trying to upgrade to dBase-III.

      • Novell? It might be Btrieve. Oh dear, that takes me back.

        • PickAnotherID

          Yep. I went through a dBase-II to III upgrade fiasco ‘back when’. What a mess, and the .dbf and .prg file converters made it even worse. Ended up rebuilding everything from scratch with III to get things working again.

          • I could write them a new system in Turbo Pascal using the Borland Database Engine and Paradox, and bring them a little closer to present time.

            • PickAnotherID

              Whoa! I thought I’d died and gone to heaven when they came out.

            • Moving them to Windows and Access would probably be too much of a shock for them.

            • PickAnotherID

              I don’t think they’re allowed to have a window in the computer areas. It might give them access to the real world.

            • ze moo

              Yeah, that would bring to about 1998. Still last century.

            • In b4 Clipper

      • ze moo

        Having enjoyed similar move between Dbase 3+ and 4 and attempts to move to 5, my state agency decided that such migrations were not complex enough. So we all went to courses in Visual Basic and Oracle. Good times ensured as we all became good enough to get very high paying jobs in non-government roles. Yeah, about 1/2 of the people who took those state ordered and payed for courses left

        I’ll tell you about H1B visas another time.

        I still love Novell. It beats MS any day.

    • I would hate to have to try to get a modern PC up and running under DOS, never mind with Novell.

      First of all, inserting the boot floppy disk would present a problem. And then hope that it can find drivers to run half-assed on current hardware…

      • kemist

        Can you even get a floppy disk reader that’s compatible with modern connectors ? All I’ve got on my MB are SATA, PCI and USB connectors.

        IIRC, those things need an old parallel port.

        Once that’s solved (unlikely), then I guess you could write yourself a driver, but that would be much more complex than mounting a new DB and have people do data entry by hand as they already have to check the physical files anyway.

        • You can get USB floppy drives, but… you’d have to explain USB to DOS. Madness!

          Man, I’d probably take a Raspberry Pi and run the damned thing in a DosBox.

    • Techie

      That is a strange statement by the “former staff member”. Even in the late 90s I remember them using SQL in Incomm. All the “Incomm PCs” were Windows based. Of course an “Incomm PC” was really just a PC with a dumb terminal emulator in it so it could connect via RS 232 to the big Incomm servers. So maybe the old WiCat Incomm central servers were still running on some old operating system, but it would not have been DOS. Maybe the “former staff member” confused the command based Incomm weird menu system for DOS. It is “menu based” like the old “Norton Commander”. It was strange to see someone using it, as they usually had all the menu windows memorized. They would just hit “down arrow, enter, three down arrows, enter” without even waiting for the menus to appear, then start typing. That old system had “Mercury” for memos (sort of like email), Source Information Retrieval or SIR for looking up references by L Ron Hubbard, Telex for communication between organizations (not real Telex but with the same look and feel) and “Time Machine” a brutal sort of harassment system to bug you when you have not completed an order. When you log on to an “Incomm PC” you get a brief startup then it pops up the dumb terminal emulator with the login screen for Incomm. No way to use it for normal PC operations unless you know about things like the windows key. Or alt-tab. But it is still really a PC and we used it for real PC stuff all the time.

      • kemist

        It looks like they have a “mainframe” running some antiquated OS and Windows PCs that run terminal emulators. My mom used to work on an actual terminal, first with punch cards, then with tapes that would be sent to the company’s HQ. Companies that have not replaced their mainframes use a terminal emulator.

        I used such an emulator to enter data in when I worked as an insurance claim analyst.

        It’s kind of a patch-up solution, because you still depend on those antiquated mainframes that no one knows how to work with anymore. If you want to make additions to your system, you’ll have to hire one of them $500 / hr Cobol consultants.

        Most companies have scrapped those mainframes in exchange for actual servers with modern databanks. The company I used to work for did it only about 2 years ago though.

        • Techie

          This is something that is impossible for outsiders to know. I cannot believe they are installing the old WiCat 1250s, the brand was bought out by Fujitsu but there cannot be many available anymore. My guess is they figured out how to put it on normal blade servers but didn’t dare to actually change the software and interface. After all, it was all “approved” by Hubbard. Who knew all about the computer systems of the galactic empires.

          • kemist

            You can’t run the same soft straight on modern machines per se.

            It would have to be recompiled, plus any system call you’d find in the code would have to be changed everywhere, since they are OS dependant at the very least. Back then there might have been machine-dependant calls too, as it was the very beginning of high level programming languages. If the soft was developed in house, and they haven’t lost the source, that is possible*.

            Or… you run an emulator of the antiquated OS on the modern machines. Or a virtual machine… at the cost of any performance gain you could have had. You’d have to tinker a bit to make it work, but with the help of google and Stack Overflow, it’s possible for a computer litterate person to manage. A virtual machine, once properly set up, can easily be copied from machine to machine.

            Considering their in house experts are either blown or dead, that they are very unlikely to produce or recruit them, and of course, the paranoia they have about them wogs, second option is much more likely IMHO.

            * You’d have to pay me a shitload of money to work with unversioned code written in some soul crushing language by amateurs way back when no one understood the need for software architecture. *shudder*

      • ze moo

        3270 emulation ruled the 90’s. Until someone ported everything over to an IP stack.

      • Rod Keller

        I’m not a networking person, but I don’t see the point of running IPX/SPX on Windows. I think it may actually be DOS.

    • GrangerFX

      We should find some really ancient DOS based computer virus for them.

      • Change the text string for the Stoned virus: “Your PC is SP.”

    • Gladys Kravitz

      JHC that jumped out at me too! i’m in IT for my day job and i haven’t seen a company use something this archaic since the early aughts.

    • I was cursed, once, to rely on Novell Netware for two years. I took a lot of backups.

  • madame duran

    “Taking responsibility for others”. That’s rich coming from a cult that doesn’t take responsibility for its ACTIONS that harm others. “Beautiful religion”, my foot.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    The song We Stand Tall has got its own entry on Wikipedia, but doesn’t mention the name of the composer. It’s got quite a lot of links and references. It also mentions the parody done by Saturday Night Life.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Stand_Tall
    There’s also an entry on David Pommeranz on Wikipedia, which does NOT mention the song We stand tall. Maybe this is better for his career.
    David Pommeranz, who’s an Emmy-winner, doesn’t seem have done well professionally in 2016. Maybe if he soon quits Scientology, things will be much better for him in 2017.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlUBs3w5vuc

    • Newiga

      Glad someone posted this video of David Pommeranz passive-aggressively shilling for Scientology with his guitar. What a waste.

    • MostEthicalPilot

      Do you have a reference for him being the composer? I have reference for him being the male singer but not composer. I would love to make sure he gets his due credit!

      Also, I love who ever put that Wikipedia Entry together. The references are great. They lead to WayBackMachine Archives that show RTC’s pages promoting Mike Rinder and Mark Rathbun and their positions in the church at the time. Opps, DM your lies are so easy to uncover these days that only the willfully blind can’t see them.

      • Lousy Ratatouille

        In today’s post here I read “Pomeranz is the composer of the song “We stand tall”. I never thought of it before.

  • Draco

    Lois Residorf’s final chapter is up at Rinder’s:
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/lois-reisdorf-part-7/

    • Rasha

      I have to read this all the way through.

    • Ann B Watson

      Yeah,I Love Lois!Thank you Draco.

    • gtsix

      Her stupid fucking son. How can you get love bombed so much at 19 that you give up a surfing dream trip to work at a fucking church. Brain dead muppet. This ain’t 1970, he chose a cult.

      Eta: appear to be a touch unforgiving today. I am shocked they took their son to an org for treatment. 30 years out… and they still don’t believe in mental health care. They still follow the LRH crazy train. Maybe their boy didn’t have a chance. He was obviously raised an offlines scientologist, if they believed proper mental health care was not possible from the evil psychs. The SA family just moved him further into the crazy woo, the “official ” woo.

      They could have lost all 3 of them. So glad the new class of quitters is quitting all the way. Less chance for the bullshit woo to infect the next generation.

      Eta2: I’m defo not feeling it today, I know they were raised in from childhood, and volunteered at 13 to be mindfucked by a cult leader (without knowing they were being mindfucked by a cult leader). But 30 years out and they took their mentally ill son to a church for a cure. They brought that shit into their home! I just can’t.

      And then these fake fucking buildings filled with 3 deluded cult cunts. It might be time for me to take a break. My compassion seems to have stayed in 2016.

      • Juicer77

        I see you and I are back in the same fine shape. 😉 Posted with love. Let’s go find a kickboxing class and crank this on the sound system.

        ETA: I know you have a kind heart. The thought of this kid throwing away his future for this “eternity…” So much time wasted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8RzSRIKGvs

        • gtsix

          Absolutely! I need to punch something after reading that.

          HNY, hope you, the man and fur babe’s had a lovely holiday period.

          Edit: fur babe’s became frames? Silly phone

          • Juicer77

            Very nice!

      • Mark Foster

        I understand your frustration. However…whether one is 3 months out or 3 decades out of the cult, if he/she doesn´t really untwist the mind-fuck knot consciously, with lots of reading and talking and researching and the development of critical thinking skills and more reading and soul-searching and talking and emotionally healing…then she hasn´t really ¨left¨ the cult…Do you see what I am getting at?
        Anyway, I, too, take breaks from this stuff from time to time, because there are stories like these that just put me over the edge…Take a break if you need to!
        Feelin´ya…

        • gtsix

          Yea, that makes sense. Thx

      • Lois Reisdorf (Lowie)

        Gtsix, yes there are parts of Scn that we still believed in. I am putting myself on the line to tell the truth and whatever criticism that brings me, then so be it. I have MANY regrets and no one can put me down more than myself. The last 2 years has been processing the mind f……that I was in. It has been a long hard road.

        • ze moo

          As long as you are walking down that road and looking at the scenery and smelling occasional rose, you are winning.

        • Draco

          Thank you for putting your story out there, Lowie. So much happened during that time leading up to Hubbard’s death that most of us know nothing about. As you said in your story, it’s time Pat Broeker spoke up and spilled the beans on what was going on between him and DM.
          What has happened to you and your family is cruel and vindictive. But it’s all coming out now to a much wider audience with Leah’s A&E series. I truly believe this is a blow that DM and CoS will not recover from.
          I have high hopes that all of you who have been disconnected from your loved ones, will soon be reunited. What you are doing by going public helps enormously!
          Lots of love…XXX

        • gtsix

          Yes, I know. And I do appreciate what you are doing, as I have said to you before, what you are doing is wonderful for yourself and others. Truth must be told and you are holding nothing back.

          I am usully not so meanspirited and lacking in compassion, but this just… it hit me wrong. As all of my famity have mental health issues, and my brother just recently survived another suicide attempt.

          I am not tring to judge you Lois, i can’t, i didnt walk your path. Please dont beat yourself up, the past is the past, it is only our present that we can change so we make a better future. 30 years of not being able to move without losing one side.of your family is a difficult road to tow. I am not you, I can’t judge it.

          But there are are things I’ll never be able to understand or accept, and improper mentail health care is a medical issue, not a spiritual one. That just set me off.

          Sorry for my rudeness. I do hope your family is reunited, regardless of your philiospical differences (except mental health, I will not budge on that.)

          • Lois Reisdorf (Lowie)

            Thanks and no problem at all, I realize that people will not understand the mental issue. Please watch episode 7 on A&E as this son will be on it and will give you the full picture. He is in a great state of mind right now due to the help of the mental health industry.

      • Draco

        gtsix – these are real people with real lives and feelings. If you have never been in a destructive cult, I suppose I can’t really expect you to understand. But try for a touch of compassion…calling Lois’ son a brain dead muppet is not helpful. I know her family in SA, and I know how absolutely loving and wonderful they can be. I can totally understand that he was won over by them. The Jory family are well known in scn circles for being the friendliest and safest place to do scn. They have a reputation for this that goes back decades. They made working in scn fun and their orgs and missions were always happy places for staff and public.
        I know that can be hard to understand given what we read now about scn and being on staff. Craig probably couldn’t understand why his parents had not been part of all this wonderful stuff for all those years. Or why they wouldn’t want this for their boys.
        Unfortunately, when push came to shove, the wonderful Jory family did not hesitate to throw their sister and her family under the bus. They have done similar things to other scilons that have fallen into disfavour with the church in the last few years.
        Scn eventually turns everything it touches into shit. This will only stop when scn finally dies.

        • gtsix

          I try Draco, but I’m not perfect. And brain dead muppet was the kindest thought i had, as muppets are controlled by others.

          It was 2009, does the lad not have Internet? Did he ask his parents why they weren’t involved in this lovely thing? Did he care to learn beyond the lovebombing?

          A wonderful family, who turns their cousin against his mother and father. I take it you know the Jory family. I dont. They don’t seem so wonderful to me. I guess I need to word clear wonderful.

          Have compassion. Scientologists certainly don’t.

          I’m trying, today doesn’t seem to be a good day for that from me.

          • Draco

            I understand. Sometimes it gets too much for me too.
            I have had some rude awakenings regarding the Jory family and the way they have treated their sister. So I no longer consider them wonderful. But I most certainly did while I was still in. The love all seemed so genuine. And maybe it was… It just wasn’t unconditional love. And that’s really the only type worth giving or receiving.

            Hope your day gets better gtsix.

    • “The “Aftermath” of our story will be aired on A&E’s Leah Remini: Scientology and The Aftermath. Stay tuned.”

  • Pluviurii

    Apparently they couldn’t find a single mexican cappable of writing without grammar errors. That message in spanish is an eye sore.

    • Study tech works and it helps people….

  • Rasha

    Well, If this isn’t just the most enticing offer… I mean, I’m trying not to volunteer! They make it look so…. so…. How can I resist????

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/26509157f862a67f83e2d91d51bafbcacfa5d27e0b70264dc946e0d66bf90337.jpg

    • PickAnotherID

      Why are they using finger joints instead of stronger dovetails on those drawers?

  • MarcabExpat

    After reading John P’s excellent analysis below, I realized what the Central Files process reminds me of.

    After the fall of the Iron Curtain, I signed up as a volunteer to go teach English in Eastern Europe. I arrived immediately after the government had changed, one of the first Westerners in the country, and all the old structures were still in place. I met a lot of terrific people who showed me the expert coping mechanisms they had developed for living in a system that didn’t make sense. But since it had been so sudden, I got to experience life as it had been under Communism (without the fear and police presence, of course).

    I found that the process for getting meal tickets for the university staff cafeteria lunch took separate trips to five different offices. Four of those steps involved handing someone the papers I had received at the previous office. As I shook my head in disbelief, my new coworkers smiled and commiserated, “yes, yes, we know.” I also went grocery shopping for the food I would prepare in my own quarters and found that “shopping” consisted of getting into multiple lines to request items to be handed to me, before getting into a final line to pay for them. (Repeat at each shop visited, as there were no one-stop supermarkets.)

    Finally, I was walking down the hall at school one day when I was passed by a physics professor pushing a huge AV cart full of… junk. Ancient Cyrillic typewriters, books on Marxist theory, and multiple standard portraits of Lenin, the ones that had hung in every classroom. I asked my colleague what on earth he was doing. He explained that everything in the cart was no longer wanted, but was state property and could not be simply thrown away; it had to be used or transferred. So they had loaded it all onto this big cart, and once a week they would “transfer” it from one department to another department, storing the cart out of the way between times. In this way they could account for their handling of state properly to auditors without having to stare at portraits of Lenin all day.

    I stole one of the portraits.

    Scientology is doomed.

    • ze moo

      When pictures of Lron get the same treatment, we know the scam is over.

      • MarcabExpat

        Ramen!

    • Juicer77

      Fascinating!

      • MarcabExpat

        It really was. The locals enjoyed going out of their way to show me, their official foreigner, all the ways their lives had been made crazy. I spent two years there, had the time of my life. Wonderful people.

        • Katy_Lied

          Soros Foundation?

          • MarcabExpat

            …What?

    • kemist

      Asterix – a French comic I loved to read as I grew up – has an iconic scene about such things (Unfortunately in French, but you’ll get the idea) :

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c45FtDhdDoY

      • MarcabExpat

        YES YES YES exactly like this! Except you weren’t allowed to yell at the bureaucrats, only they were allowed to yell at you.

        I remembered just enough college French to get through this cartoon without subtitles. Vaclav Havel could have easily written this scene :-)))

    • Good thing they never discovered Scientology routing forms. You might still be there.

      • MarcabExpat

        That is a great one-liner even by your standards, Phil.

        Vaclav Havel wrote a terrific play called The Memorandum about a bureaucracy that becomes increasingly untenable because management is enforcing the use of a new, artificial language to replace the troublesome problems caused by using normal human language. I don’t think Havel had any awareness of Scientology at all, but what a perfect metaphor for Admin Tech.

  • Tony Ortega

    So, I still don’t know if the wave of traffic from Reddit this morning was the cause of our brief outtage here. But an interesting thing about that.

    A Redditor had posted our story about the Gary Soter letter calling Amy Scobee the “agressor” in her rape to the main Reddit news page, and it had soared.

    You probably remember our story. We broke the news of that letter being sent to A&E, which attempted to derail the Leah Remini series by making some truly vile suggestions about Amy, based on no evidence at all. It was a pretty important news item, and we bolstered it with a copy of Soter’s letter itself. As is often the case, no major news organization has followed up on our story, even though we presented the document, which speaks for itself.

    So, after burning up Reddit’s r/news page for several hours, it got kicked to the less trafficked “in the news” subreddit because someone at the website decided that our story was an “opinion piece” and not “news.”

    Rodney Dangerfield, we feel you.

    • Cool…!
      eta: not so cool

      • Tony Ortega

        Um…

        • i mean that is good to get traffic?

          • Juicer77

            Opinion piece?!? This is solid researched breaking news, kid!! 😉

            • Bummer :-/ didn’t read it properly

            • Juicer77

              S’ok. We all do it. xoxo

            • i just got in with the last train 🙂

            • Juicer77

              LOL

    • Juicer77
      • gtsix

        It took reddit years to.get rid of their racist bullshit… fuck reddit.

        • Juicer77

          Hope you had a lovely holiday break. 🙂

    • DoveAlexa

      It’s because you didn’t use enough memes, or pay the cat tax.
      Now, as per proper reddit protocol, you must spam posts about your grievances in every subreddit but the right one until you get banned.

    • flyonthewall

      If you want respect from reddit and the LSM you have to incorporate Lego into your stories. And break dancing. I tried telling you this but did you listen? No.

      • Consider the risk of encouraging people to spin on their heads in the same space where they have been using Lego bricks. It’s a public safety issue.

    • GrangerFX

      Reddit has a problem with overly powerful admins. One recent controversy happened when they decided that the short film below was “not anime” because it was created by a someone from the west and animated in Japan. They therefore removed the most popular anime discussion topic. There as a major uproar until they back peddled and restored the topic.
      https://youtu.be/fzQ6gRAEoy0

    • ScieNAHolgist

      it’s bad enough that Karin Pouw never returns your calls and now you’re getting dissed by Reddit nerds!

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/db292441a119d70ca71a74cf4833800e0b942c66aa3c08567917d06fd3099146.jpg

  • Juicer77

    You know these Ideal Org opening dates get leaked in advance, Dave. That means the authorities know exactly where to find you on those dates. Better make sure your hair is fully pompadoured for your photo ops. You know, just in case they decide to ask you to come along nicely for questioning. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f85d3f1cc3943e34050b8a8bfa66df5029d9185badb08866ac92d1e4d9d5bbff.jpg f5

    • Mark Foster

      I like big buildings
      I do, I do,
      Even when SMERSH agents
      start flinging poo!

      • Juicer77

        Hee hee

  • 9001

    Martin Mullaney, a former local councillor, researched the UK Land Registry. It shows a real convoluted purchase of Pitmaston House, Birmingham.
    David Gaiman (unindicted co-conspirator in Operation Snow White) and his sister daughter Elizabeth Calcioli’s company Centrepoint Limited bought it for £7m and split it into 4 plots within hours. It then resold them for £7.7m to off-shore companies registered in the Isle of Man. http://martinmullaney.blogspot.co.uk/2008/11/concerns-over-pitmaston-site-moseley.html

    • Tony Ortega

      Lizzy Calcioli is David Gaiman’s daughter, fyi.

      • Dave Reams

        Daughter … sister … these MEST postulates of meat body beingness are so superfluous on the whole time track!

        • ze moo

          So Donald Trump and Ivanka are from West Virginia too? How Appalachian is that?

      • 9001

        Thanks Tony. Fixed .

  • The gingerbread Ideal Org seems a lot more realistic than their other plans for Birmingham… (now all sing after me: “dom, dom-dom dom-dom, dom-dom dom-dom…” — watch out for wobbly sets and Noelle Gordon): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/99c983e45cde5179b672ce85fab5efadb7029317fa8417dbbc86a6744dde8a8d.jpg

  • ze moo

    Paper files to generate sales letters??? How 1954 is that?? Do Sea bOrg refer to their female comrades as ‘dames’?

    The latest list of Idle mOrgs is just an expansion of the real estate scam. Birmingham is fixing up a nice old building that they let slide in decrepitude for a local population of 50?? What whale payed for that? The locals almost certainly did not pay for it.

    I so enjoy tales of filing. That is how you save the planet, by singing the ABC song and stuffing letters in folders.

    • Joe

      Hold on, I’m snitching on you via Telex. . .

      • ze moo

        The dot matrix printer was invented in 1925 and IBM started selling a nice version in the US in the late 1950’s.

        Enough history of real technology. I’ll go back to my basement and get back to playing Doom 4.

  • Joe

    So my Dad finally joined the “Scientology sucks” train thanks to Leah’s show (which he watched without me even suggesting it) and he mentioned other people he knows are watching it too. He doesn’t have HBO so he didn’t watch Going Clear and I don’t think prior to Leah’s show he even knew Scientology existed which is ironic as he is a Tampa Bay resident, so they’re literally about a stones throw away from him. Just more proof that Leah is reaching a completely untapped audience to bring their abuses to light and building sentiment against them.

    • April

      That says a lot about the CO$ Tampa org’s ability to “disseminate.” lmao

      • Juicer77

        And all the “good” they’re doing in their community. *eyeroll*

  • RK

    Well, my year long quest to have my household removed from all Scientology mailing lists has appeared to be reached. I finally just requested a refund of a small amount – under $50 – that one letter writer said that I had on account. However, I expect that I will have to do something like this when the next ideal org cleans up their CF.

  • “A household can get dozens of copies of the same mailing, one for each member of the family, plus duplicate copies from numerous orgs, or with slightly differently spelled names that the system can’t identify as duplicates. When somebody complains about it, they can be threatened for having “CI,” or counter intention to org expansion because they are reducing the BMO statistic.

    I did complain about it once, in an effort to be helpful and save the Org some money. That night at about 10pm an ethics officer and an auditor arrived at my door to find out my crimes on why I would want off the mailing list.

    • ze moo

      No good deed goes unpunished. The sign of an organization run cluster-f&*k style.

    • Joe

      It always astonishes me when they play the “we’re just like any other religion” card because I dare you to find anyone from literally any other religion who has had a similar experience.

    • ha ha… scientologic first class. I once lived with a scio renting a room. over the years he had many tenants who once lived there, so he had like 14 x scio mail packet coming in every week.

    • Juicer77

      SMH

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    Thank you Tony, and to the former staff member who described more about CF. In all my years following the cult, somehow this strikes me as one of the most remarkable statements I have ever read:

    “In theory no Ideal Org may open until its CF is 100 percent “in PT,” or Present Time, meaning fully up to date. It’s a target that I doubt has ever been achieved by any Ideal Org to date. The systems don’t integrate, so when a public from one org goes to another to find a qualified auditor for a particular service, that guy is now added to the new org’s CF so now he will get the same mailing from two different orgs. Then he goes to Flag for services and the same thing happens again. A household can get dozens of copies of the same mailing, one for each member of the family, plus duplicate copies from numerous orgs, or with slightly differently spelled names that the system can’t identify as duplicates. When somebody complains about it, they can be threatened for having “CI,” or counter intention to org expansion because they are reducing the BMO statistic.”

    This is perhaps the most dysfunctional mailing system that I have ever heard of.

    • Ben Franklin

      So basically, one person can be counted as a member multiple times by the different orgs. I see why Scientology membership numbers are so inflated. They are pretty much double counting, and triple counting members

      • dungeon master

        Kind of like they recycle TWTH brochures out of the trash and pass them out repeatedly to pad their stats while ripping of their own publication and cash machine operations!

    • dungeon master

      They could save themselves soooo much $$ if they just sent emails lol. Bulk emails are a lot less labor intensive and more efficient and their BMO stat would be straight up and vertical. The $$ they save could buy toilet paper!!

    • Sunny

      Also one org can buy the CF from another org. Its a way they get their stats up.

    • Arthur Pewtie

      It does hint at one of the reasons $cientology claims such an inflated membership, if everyone has multiple files at different locations.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Yes, one person could easily become 5 or 10. Plus I think they count the BTs also…

  • MostEthicalPilot

    Dear DM, why do you even bother Opening the ideal orgs. Just have someone put together a Computer Generated Clip of the opening of the org and Photoshop a few publicity shots which you’er going to do anyway and save the money. No body is going to question you and if they do you know it’s only because of their crimes!

    • ze moo

      It’s not about the money, it’s about adoration of the COB. Ronald McDonald is supposed to show up at every new store.

      • gtsix

        It’s about the money too. Gotta keep the IRS safe-pointed.

    • Juicer77

      That makes a lot more sense than having to travel anywhere and put himself in harm’s way (from BT clusters, government investigators, etc.).

  • Andrew Robertson

    I can feel the excitement mounting as I’ll soon be an enthusiastic member of the first Clear Continent and my eternity will be assured!

    As I anxiously await the arrival of Captain Miscavige I must reread the account of how the evil off-planet Marcabian psychs almost got Scientology banned in Middle Earth:

    ‘THE COMMISSION OF INQUIRY INTO THE HUBBARD SCIENTOLOGY ORGANISATION IN NEW ZEALAND’

    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/audit/nzhome.html

    Andrew

    • Kestrel

      I loved that they included the definition of “Ethics” in Scientology (something important when they accuse someone of being unethical):

      “Ethics actions are often used to handle down individual statistics. A person who is not doing his job becomes an ethics target.

      Conversely, if a person is doing his job (and his statistic will show that) ethics is considered to be in and the person is protected by ethics.

      As an example of the proper application of ethics to the production of an org, let us say the Letter Registrar has a high statistic (gets out lots of effective mail). Somebody reports the Letter Registrar for rudeness, somebody else reports the Letter Registrar for irregular conduct with a student. Somebody else reports the Letter Registrar for leaving all the lights on. Proper Ethics Officer action – look up the general statistics of the Letter Registrar, and seeing that they average quite high, file the complaints with a yawn.

      As the second example of ethics application to the production of an org, let us say that a Course Supervisor has a low statistic (very few students moved out of his course, course number growing, hardly anyone graduating, a bad academy statistic). Somebody reports this Curse Supervisor for being late for work, somebody else reports him for no weekly adcomm report and bang! Ethics looks up the person, calls for an ethics hearing with trimmings.

      We are not in the business of being good boys and girls. We’re in the business of going free and getting the org production roaring. Nothing else is of any interest then to ethics but (a) getting tech in, getting run and getting run right and (b) getting production up and the org roaring along.”

    • Roger Larsson

      To create Hells is no art, to populate them is an art.

  • Ben Franklin

    Out of all the Ideal Orgs opened by Miscavige, is there even one Org that is succeeding as projected in his opening speech.

    • ze moo

      I don’t think the new Idle mOrgs can ever succeed. It takes a lot of talent to get someone in the door and signed up for ‘courses’. Finding each customers ‘ruin’ takes training and talent. A talent based on empathy. A video presentation can’t have empathy. More and more, the clampire is left raking the second and third generation into the staff scam. Without widespread ‘dissemination’, you can’t find those few are ripe for Clamland.

      Without that new meat, how can you replace all those who have been bankrupted or kicked out for insufficient adoration of the COB? Staff must be working 2nd and 3rd jobs to pay the rent and put food on the table. That doesn’t leave much time for that mass ‘dissemination’ necessary to do the job.

      • Ben Franklin

        Eventually something will have to give. The cost of sustaining / maintaining those buildings will eventually go through the roof.

        • ze moo

          What local mOrg member can’t be counted on to pay the electric bill once and a while? There are no taxes.but water and sewer fees have to be paid. The locals will be saddled with those payments until the roof rots or the water pipes burst.

          • Ben Franklin

            There will come a time when the Church will run out of even local members because they are not attracting many new people. The Church can survive for a while, but, eventually they might have to rely on big whales to pay bills for those humongous Ideal org buildings

            • Joe

              Can you imagine being a whale and forking over $10 million dollars and they’re like
              “Thanks! You saved the planet! Now give us more.”

            • Mark Foster

              Hey, didn´t Hubbard say, ¨The sun never sets on scientology.¨ ? Ha!

            • Ben Franklin

              They will probably give them awards and titles like “civilization builder” for their yearly donation to take care of the bills.

            • Joe

              Haha, right? I would love to compare the cost of those gaudy ass trophies to how much is required to be given. I can’t wait until DM has to invent the title of “Super Mega Ultimate Phoenix King Patron” to get Duggan to fork over more money.

        • flyonthewall

          the interest earned on their horde of IAS money and donations from whales/locals can sustain those buildings indefinitely. The only things that will cause something to give is their tax status being revoked, Cruise defecting and/or Miscavige dying.

          • Mark Foster

            And, those orgs are supposed to pay their own expenses. The money always flows UP in scientology.

            • flyonthewall

              and as with everything in Scientology what’s in policy and what happens IRL are two different things. Ireland org has been propped up for years with “loans” from various scientology corp entities.

            • ze moo

              That is just another dichotomy in $cienoworld. I can’t see corporate paying the day to day expenses of each mOrg. That will be left to the locals and the whales. How long will Duggan and Cruise fork over to keep a failed mOrg running? Perhaps for ever.

          • Ben Franklin

            So far they have been very stingy on spending any of that IAS money. I think they would probably refuse to spend any money from their IAS accounts and just cut lose all struggling Orgs and continue supporting new ones

      • Mark Foster

        They have nothing to sell. They and their ¨brand¨ are reviled, belittled, criticized, and exposed for the bullshit it and they embody and peddle. It´s gotta be really difficult to find younger folks who will,literally, work for no pay at the ¨org¨ and then work a regular job in the ¨wog¨ world(which, by the way, is called ¨moonlighting¨ in scientology; ponder THAT shit!), all in the name of delivering the only tech that can save mankind to a world that sees said ¨tech¨ for the huge, fetid turd that it is…

        • ze moo

          In $cientology, there is too much shit to ponder.

        • April

          That’s what I was thinking. That the hard-sell “find your ruin” tactics just aren’t working anymore, combined with the toxic CO$ brand. Instead of Wee Davey understanding this bit of reality, he blamed the poor recruitment numbers on the org staff and thought (wishfully) that somehow videos would do the trick. Actually, I think it’s not so much how the CO$ is selling their brand of woo now, it’s that the number of people willing to buy it are dwindling.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        The cultural elements that allowed $cn to grow and expand during the mid to later 70’s when I was a cultist are just not there anymore and it does not appear likely that we will ever go back to those times or recreate those conditions.

        During that cult Golden Age, the internet didn’t exist and the atrocities that $cn had perpetrated by that point in its developmental history were just not very well known – thanks in part to its own secret police/espionage unit who decided to go hog ass wild in breaking the law, terrorizing citizens and all manner of vigilante/militia-type “justice” actions. In addition, the cult’s crown jewel secrets concerning Lord Xenu and all the thousands of space alien souls that we’re all supposedly possessed by had yet to be revealed to the public.

        $cn has been “danger pointing” itself for decades and is now reaping the blowback consequences of all the evil and destruction that it’s perpetrated over the last six decades, which is exactly as it should be. As a result, just as you note, almost no one who’s not already a second or third gen cultist is going to sign up to go on staff and only refugees from brutal dictators in war-torn lands and desperate poverty are going to find the prospect of becoming a $ea Orgy staff member appealing.

        And with no new public coming through the doors, the cult is left to prey on those who remain, which is exactly what this prolonged period of whale milking and false stat promotion under lil davey the deceptive has been all about. It will probably come as a huge shock and surprise for all of those still-ins who remain baffled by lil davey’s bullshit to finally learn that square footage of new Ideal Org space DOES NOT equate to the expansion of $cn. Elron was incredibly clear on the only thing that would boom $cn and lil davey the squirrel has done the exact opposite of what Elron set in stone. And now, more than a decade after it was instituted, the Ideal Org program has very clearly NOT boomed $cn as lil davey’s off-policy plans intended and the failure there rests squarely on his shoulders alone. Yet, to his fellow mass hypnotized cultists this blatantly obvious failure and its off-policy basis just haven’t sunk in yet.

        The cold hard reality of $cn’s contraction, and its true causes, are apparent to anyone who’s been following the cult’s history for some time, and are especially obvious to ex-cult members like myself, who were around during a time that $cn really was expanding. The societal conditions that enabled the cult to flourish during the mid to late 70’s are gone and will never return, so unless $cn can come up with a true miracle, it appears to be locked in a death spiral from which there’s no escape.

        That’s a very good thing for society as a whole, but a dangerous time for those still in as the cult collapses from within. With lil davey as the cult’s clueless commodore, that ship of fools is very likely to just get more extreme in its already outrageous behavior toward its own staff and public members. And now, in the white hot glare of public scrutiny, all of the cult’s very dirty linen is being aired and a conviction of this depraved, fraudulent and Stalinesque cult in the court of public opinion has already been rendered, leaving the cult with an ever-dwindling number of True Believers and almost no new cult recruits to replace them.

        Extend those trend lines and it’s not difficult at all to see where they all meet up and to foretell the fate of an unreformed Co$. Adding momentum to that “straight down and vertical” trend should be Job #1 for everyone, but as the cult’s implosion and final collapse draws closer, those befuddled still-ins are going to be in for a rougher and rougher time of it. As a result, support and transitional services for recovering $cilons is going to become increasingly important as the cult spirals down in its Last Days.

    • Mark Foster

      Ben, the short answer: no. Emphatically, no.

      • Ben Franklin

        It would be interesting to see a review off all the Ideal orgs opened by Miscavige over the years, just to see if they are even still functioning.

        • Mark Foster

          A few years ago, there was a website with photos of all the empty AND closed orgs and missions around the world…I forget the name of it…

          • Ben Franklin

            I would be interested in seeing what’s going on in some of the older Ideal Orgs like Johannesburg, San Francisco, Madrid etc

            • My houseguest and I were just discussing the Ideal Org program and he was saying how dead SF is. He said they’ve been a bit more aggressive in their attempts to lure fresh meat into the Org, but basically, the place is dead. He said that last week someone tried to get him to come in and my friend said “are you crazy?” The person sheepishly replied “see, we’re on the same wavelength, that has something to do with the mind.” Unclear on the concept.

            • Mark Foster

              Road Trip! 🙂

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            It was called ‘idleorgs (dot) com’, and I believe run by Izhar Perlman (former OTVII ?). It’s not active any longer, and the URL re-directs to a suspicious ad-based site.

  • Nat-leficent

    Why is the Mendoza Matan Schwartz family listed as two families in the caption? “The Mendoza and Schwartz families were presented with a crystal model of the renovated org for their donations to ODD in October.”

  • Elegant Mess

    O/T: Happy New Year, Bunkeroos! Finally am surfacing for air from a busy holiday season full of rich foods, delectable wines and late night chats with distant relatives not seen in years. I hope all of you have a safe, healthy and happy 2017. Now I’m going back to playing Final Fantasy XV. Love to all!

    • flyonthewall

      Have fun! I been spending way too much time playing the kids’ new Lego Dimension system. I may have steered the grandparents into getting it for the kids so I could make use of all the Dimension minifigs I’ve been collecting 😉

      • Juicer77

        Naughty fly. 😉

        • flyonthewall

          they do genuinely love it though so in this case the ends did justify the means

          • Juicer77

            Family fun!

      • Elegant Mess

        Omg! Take pics of your creations, please!
        And there’s no shame in playing with your kids’ toys. I often wish I had a child to kidnap for the day so I can go to the science museums and amusement parks without looking like a non-child-having weirdo. 😉

        • flyonthewall

          my creations are ok but my pics suck. No real camera, lighting or work space. The Dimensions are such fun though. We get to have Lego Gizmo, Stripe, Mr. T, ET minifigures (and more) and control them in a video game! Sloth from Goonies is coming this year too. You can’t beat that.

    • Observer

      I prefer to play it when Mr Observer isn’t home, because if he’s here I’m treated to an unending string of derisive boy band comments.

      • Elegant Mess

        Ha! I was encountering the same with my Mr. Gotta say, I can’t blame them. I was guilty of guffawing at the angle-y haircuts, too.
        I didn’t know about the hour long anime that explains the back story until I was about 20 hrs into playing a very confusing game. 🙂

  • ZlogonjeAgain

    kim ob tried 2 dead agent aharon friedman yesterday
    his posts r found on debbie cooks fb page jan 1 2012
    page gone now portions found on wwp
    anons called him debil eye
    dats a fail kim you genius

    • flyonthewall

      telling someone they said something stupid when they said something stupid is not dead agenting them

      dats a fail ZlogonjeAgain you genius

      • ZlogonjeAgain

        go back she posted again on thread late last nite

      • Nat-leficent

        Isn’t this guy Flunk?

        • Qbird

          no. this one trolled Flunk.

          • Nat-leficent

            Danke

          • Observer

            You are correct. Zlogonje usually has a pretty good bead on trolls, but in this case Kim was just calling Aahron out for claiming his IQ is higher than almost everyone’s. Even if it is, it’s quite rude to boast about it. But then Aahron is from a different culture, so I’m willing to give him a pass.

            • ZlogonjeAgain

              she did more den dat
              luv ur work
              luv ur work

            • Nat-leficent

              I’m not defending her because I wasn’t there and I don’t want to look (on my phone and its a pain) but what’s it to you? Do you dislike Kim in general? Are you a fan of the kid? What’s the deal? Honest curiosity

            • Observer

              Thank you!

              Having met Kim in person, I can tell you the things she says sound a lot different coming from her in person than they do online. I do not believe she was doing anything other than reacting to what came across to Americans as an unnecessarily prideful boast (and we are experts at those, lol), even if Aahron didn’t intend it that way.

            • ZlogonjeAgain

              her last post on thread ****late
              she dont know crap

            • flyonthewall

              why is some bickering on an old thread such a big deal to you?

        • ZlogonjeAgain

          I used 2 whip flunks ass
          Im shiva the god of death

          • Nat-leficent

            Oh, gotcha

          • Qbird

            It is a very difficult thing to know who to trust, Zlogonje, isn’t it?
            Kim can be harsh, as are others. as u can b 2
            You are a long time lurker.
            I don’t know who you are.

            • Nat-leficent

              That’s the real difference isn’t it? Knowing a person who shares at least a bit of their personality versus someone who just lurks and criticizes.

            • Qbird

              who to trust? stay calm, it’ll work its way out.

            • Nat-leficent

              You know me. I trust no one. Watched too much X-Files as a kid 😉

            • The truth is out there.

            • Nat-leficent

              🙂

            • Qbird

              one can only hope. Mercy.

            • Jimmy3

              Fun Fact: David Duchovny is the only actor to play the lead in the original source material AND its porn parody.

              If this is not a fact, it should be.

            • Nat-leficent
            • Jimmy3

              Those scores aren’t official until tomorrow morning. I’m having the league commissioner look into possible errors of miscalculation.

            • Nat-leficent

              I want my promised prize

            • Jimmy3

              Those scores aren’t official until about 4am.

            • flyonthewall

              is there a worst player ever prize?

            • Jimmy3

              Yes. The satisfaction of knowing that you did your best (?) and that no one got hurt. Hurray.

            • flyonthewall

              my feelings were hurt when Juicer made fun of me. She hurt me with her words

            • Jimmy3

              The league commissioner will be reviewing disciplinary cases in the offseason. Perhaps she will be punished next season. You did the right thing by telling me, fly.

            • Nat-leficent

              I’ll have it tomorrow morning then

            • Sherbet

              I misread your last word as “emasculation.”

            • Jimmy3

              I could list excellent excuses for you but I have to finish hemming this skirt

            • Sherbet

              It’s good to know you embrace all your inner thetans, whether they be masculine, feminine, or none of the above.

            • Qbird

              It is a fine line dance, Nat. To tell your truth here, on a public forum… to not lie about your life, but not tell so much that someone can hurt you with what they know about you.

              am i makin’ sense?

            • Nat-leficent

              For sure. Maybe I’m too hard on people.

            • Jimmy3

              That’s what he said

            • Nat-leficent

              Prize!

            • ZlogonjeAgain

              i used 2 defend fairer sex from flunks filth

            • Qbird

              true. I saw that, back then.
              ——————————–
              edited. dumass, silly memory.
              ——————————–
              what I mean is, iswydt.

              i want to do what i can to stop the hurt too.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          This one’s a real live meat sack? I assumed from the word salad it was just a bot.

          • Nat-leficent

            Oh, this is an ancient troll XD

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Wow, even the trolls around here have some history!

            • Nat-leficent

              Oh, yes. History matters 🙂 says the old grey lady

    • pluvo

      Nonsense. She just said what she didn’t like. One may not like how she said it but there was nothing about dead agent.

      PS: trying to stir the pot?

      • Qbird

        ^^^^^^^^^ this exactly.

    • Nat-leficent

      Flunk? Is that you?
      Edit: Nevermind, I had you confused with somebody else.

  • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

    Here’s what I don’t understand. I’ve been to SF and Pasadena since their “Idle Orgs” opened, and idle they are.
    Two or three peeps rattling around in there like two peas in a garbage can…my random visits are always the same. Someone at a counter, someone shuffling books around.

    I don’t get the concept, except as a fund raising scam where you raise the money and RTC gets the building.
    They are NOT attracting people in droves as predicted! (not unlike Ken Ham’s Ark Encounter, when you think about it.)

    • Juicer77

      As far as we can tell, the people in each Org are told that all the OTHER Orgs are “booming” and they are the only ones failing. Unless they make the trek to another Org to check it out, how would they know? The internal stats probably tell the real truth, but even these are falsified and obfuscated when shared around internally. Even Chris Shelton, when he was still in, didn’t have any idea how much of a sham the expansion was until he got assigned to travel to different Orgs and saw that all they were doing was fundraising.
      Also, there is probably a lot of “any minute now” wishful thinking going on.

      • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

        It was fabulous here. “Cash in your Heirlooms” was one of their fundraising thrusts for the Ideal Org. Also “cash in your luxury items” for the future. You know, motor homes, boats, motorcycles, expensive toys.

        Despite all efforts, they still came up short until that Dugger fella kicked in for 8 acres of prime real estate that used to be Coleman College.

        They lost the property because they couldn’t afford the property taxes on it, and all the buildings were deteriorated to the point that it’d cost more to restore than raze them.

        Then they started fundraising for ANOTHER Idle Org! And what they wound up with? They couldn’t afford any nice restored buildings in downtown San Diego, so they remodeled the org on 4th Ave. and called it Ideal.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Here’s what Mike Rinder, and others, have pointed out. It doesn’t matter to Dave that the Ideals are empty.

          What matters is the global Real Estate Investment Sci-co.; the Landlord’s Office with titles to every property, participates in massive money manipulation; they have to do something with all the cash; even if they get locals to buy the places, Dave’s global Real Estate Holdings Fund is enormous, and certainly there must be massive, global Investment Fund involvement that Dave does — ike Bob Duggan does as a billionaire — to maintain and grow his overall investment portfolio.

          It’s part of the motion picture, “How To Maintain Your Billionaire-hood”

          • dagobarbz, fine Italian shoes

            Duggan, not Duggar. Rats. I get the religious whackos confused; one is rich in money, t’other rich in bad publicity and children.

      • Ben Franklin

        “Unless they make the trek to another Org to check it out, how would they know?”

        They keep you so busy that you don’t even have time to make a trek to another org. If you happen to make the trek and start doubting, you have a date with the ethics officer. End result, see nothing, hear nothing.

        • Juicer77

          Exactly! Even *thinking* about doing such a thing will get you sec-checked.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Marc Headley’s account of waking up to the fact of $cn’s non-expansion in the most recent episode of Leah’s series came about as he traveled from Idle Morgue to Idle Morgue to service the A/V equipment and learned that all of these different orgs were virtually empty!

        Lil davey has been remarkably successful in running a blatantly obvious bait & switch scam on every $cilon who’s ever contributed their hard-earned cash to fund this program. He’s been wildly successful getting folks to not look at what the ultimate measure of $cn’s success is and has always been (i.e. more trained auditors delivering an ever-increasing amount of auditing to an ever-increasing number of new public). The off-policy premise that lil davey thought up all by his lonesome, that “if we build it, they will come,” is not only in direct contradiction to Elron’s very clearly and simply stated position on the matter, but after more than a decade of implementation, is obviously a complete and utter failure.

        The question of exactly why still-in $cilons can’t understand what’s directly in front of them, and of what can be done to bring their confront up, are very closely related and represent a key topic of critical analysis and focused discussion at this point in time. During $cn,The Aftermath’s fifth episode, Leah described exactly what it’s like to be a public $cilon who’s spent a huge amount of money supporting the cherch , based on the belief that the cult was “doing all this good,” then finding out it was all lies. The very distressing objective evidence that the facts and figures used by lil davey during these big cult events are either complete, purposeful lies or widely inflated figures is sure to lead to more disaffection, because no one likes to be made a fool of and lil davey, up until now, has accomplished that in aces.

        If you were a gullible, clueless and craven mark up until now, then I’m sure that’s very hard to confront, but it’s only going to get worse if you stick around! Imagine being the last True Believer $cilon whale who’s still getting milked for millions as the cult collapses around the world. It’s horrible and humiliating feeling having to confront just how badly that you’ve been scammed whenever any bait & switch con collapses, but facing reality and getting out sooner, rather than later, is the only better option there.,,that is, unless you wish to become notorious as one of the last people in $cn to WTF and GTFO 😉

    • Joe

      I live in Nashville and drive by the Ideal org there every now and again and I have never, not once, seen more than 2-3 cars in the parking lot.

      • Ben Franklin

        Hey, just remember that we are dealing here with folks who can exteriorize at will. Cars are for wogs.

        • Joe

          Oh yeah, well I mean there are like 50 spaceships parked there at all times. Is that relevant?

          • Ben Franklin

            You never know because they keep claiming to have millions of members world wide.

          • Mark Foster

            Dude, how many people do those ships hold? Or do they hold Farsecians? Maybe discarded BT´s awaiting transport to deep space?

    • MarcabExpat

      I don’t get the concept, except as a fund raising scam where you raise the money and RTC gets the building

      I think that IS the concept.

  • BronxLaurie10

    What a waste of money, resources and real estate. There are so many other ways that the millions of dollars being wasted to build/renovate buildings that will stand empty could be used. It’s sad and infuriating.

  • nottrue
    • Observer

      Bazinga!

    • Joe

      You’d think she’d learn that if she doesn’t like hearing negative things about Scn she would stay off Twitter.

      • Liberated

        You’d think.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Or get out of the cult.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      It probably says something terrible about me that I love watching Kirstie get trolled like this.

      • pluvo

        No, she asks for it. She thinks she is homo novis, like Cruise thinks he is Big Being with the cob and Travolta that Scn is all bautiiiiiful – despite the abuses.
        I save my passion for the families who are ripped apart based on Hubs’ ‘scriptures’ which DM is using and who they are devoted to.

      • gtsix

        I think she enjoys it too.

      • Arthur Pewtie

        Come and sit by terrible me, then…

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Ok, but don’t bounce the sofa cushions because I don’t wanna spill my wine. ; )

    • Techie

      Kirstie is going off the reservation here. According to the Word of Hubbard the “soul” or spirit does not belong to you. It is you. In Scientologese she said “Do what’s best for you…after all…you belong to you…”?!?!Probably not trying to invent some new idea but just trying to sound “spiritual” for someone in particular, maybe a non-Scientologist follower. But it is a pretty awkward thing for a Scientologist to say.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        Irrelevant detail, IMO, if she’s trying to make a case to anyone who’ll listen that she a twitter martyr, attacked even when she says “nice things”.

        • Mark Foster

          Hillie, for a scientologist, it´s not an irrelevant detail. I get your point, as far as ¨outsiders¨might be concerned, but…in the cult, for an OT7 or an OT8 to say that… IS a big red flag. It´s one of the first points that gets stressed when you watch those cheesy intro videos at any org: You don´t HAVE a soul, you ARE a soul…Anyone who has been active in the cult for an even a few months ¨knows¨ this distinction.

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            I wasn’t clear in my post. Indeed I meant to a general audience, unfamiliar with specific scientology dogma.

      • kemist

        Is she OTea Hate yet ?

        Perfect time for her to redo her Student Hat.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      No one likes to think of themselves as a member of a depraved killer cult or in thrall to a sadistic, sociopathic cult leader whose caprice of the moment can directly affect their Eternity and that of their family members as well. So there’s a natural inclination to avoid looking at anything that’s going to provide direct and irrefutable evidence that that is exactly the case for all still-in $cilons

      But nowadays, even for long-time, hard core cultists like Krustie, the only way to not realize who lil davey is, what he’s done to $cn and where you stand in relationship to his control over the cult (and, by extension, over you) is to go into deep denial, avoid thinking any of those questioning or negative thoughts as hard as you possibly can and just draw in more tightly to your already insular cult sub-culture.

      That’s a very, very hard thing for naturally curious and information-seeking humans to get themselves to do, so the head-exploding amounts of cognitive dissonance that result from trying to remain in the bubble of denial just continue to increase. Like a spinning centrifuge whose RPMs just keep increasing, still-in cultists are going to have to hold on harder and harder or be spun off in all directions. As more and more make their exit from a cult in collapse and tell their own personal stories, those still in are going to suffer increasingly harsh measures to insure their loyalty and dedication to the cause.

      • Mark Foster

        Bam! That´s the feeling I felt, at the end of my cult experience: ¨like a spinning centrifuge whose RPMs just keep increasing¨ ; that was the physical sensation of my cognitive dissonance, jacked by caffeine and nicotine.
        Thanks, HF, for expressing it so accurately.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          You’re welcome, Mark. I was fortunate to have gotten in, then out of $cn, earlier enough in my life to go on to complete my education and then enjoy a full career. And my outer org $cn experience took place in the later 70’s, so we had relatively little contact with the grim-faced, military-styled $ea Orgy Ronbots who we all looked at askance and laughed at behind their backs whenever they made their rare appearances.

          Little did we know then that these fixed stare, barely human $ea Org members were at the real core of $cn’s very dark heart. I got out well before the centrifuge began to accelerate its spin, so I can only look on now with compassion and increasing alarm for those still-in as we enter $cn’s Last Days.

        • pluvo

          When I decided to leave and then was an “ethics particle” for 15 months it was like walking a mental tight rope without safety net, none to confide in but playing “normal”, not to break down and possibly get an introspection rundown treatment of some sort.
          Can you imagine that I know how a person feels when they have a mental break down?

          The hardest to digest was when reading Nancy Many’s book “My Billion Year Contract” where she writes how they f*cked with her mind and describes in detail how it finally cracked to a point that she didn’t even recognize her husband anymore.

          • Mark Foster

            Yeah, THIS^^.
            I do my best to direct people to the subject area of undue influence/cults/mind control so that they can begin to understand just
            how toxic cults and their behavioral control techniques are. This stuff goes waaaaaay beyond cult members and ex-cult members being ¨stupid, gullible jerks¨…

          • Techie

            Pluvo, after I got busted from post in ’83 and was getting sec checked I had a distinct feeling of “there but not there”. I was shocked to read about it in Nancy Many’s book, though her experience was much worse I think it is well described as “dissociation”. A very dangerous mental state. Probably I could have broken free but then they talked me into doing the RPF and I ended up at Gold. But it took years for that mental state to dissipate and to feel normal again. These guys are just playing with fire, it is a wonder they don’t get burned more often.

            • pluvo

              I think there were many incidents which we will never hear about.

  • Graham

    “The Center of the United Kingdom”. Minus ten for cultural sensitivity; yet again.

    • GARRY PAGE

      You think they should have written ‘The Centre of the United Kingdom’?

  • Observer

    Back to my deathbed. This is just a cold, but it’s a horrid one.

    • Newiga

      Sorry to hear you’re ill. 🙁 Get better soon! xoxo

    • Jimmy3

      Can I have your raptor, or do you think Mr. O will probably keep her?

    • Qbird

      a cool cloth for your head then. rest. rest yer mellon… 😉

      btw. I was looking thru a 3 year old post and found this.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/76d90ed58b5e73624c7b0976361e7999f4b895f5d674437dbd3d4f7091b6b691.png

      and then i peed my pants.

    • If it’s what Butch and I’ve had, it’s a real clinger. Hang in there Obs!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      ((((hugs))))

    • gtsix

      Take care Obs.

    • daisy

      Feel better soon Obs.

    • Gladys Kravitz

      feel better soon observer! there is a nasty respiratory flu going around where i live. i caught it about a month ago, i felt like death for about 10 days, and i’m still trying to shake the damned cough.

      • Sherbet

        Same here.

        • Gladys Kravitz

          ughhhhh it is THE WORST!! i think i’ve been on mucinex for a damn month!

          • Sherbet

            I think my co-workers are conspiring to lock me in a sound-proof closet when that cough cranks up.

            • Gladys Kravitz

              HA!!! well i hope you can shake it soon. feel better sherbet!

            • Sherbet

              Thanks. You, too, Gladys K.

      • Kestrel

        I’m still getting over it.

        • Gladys Kravitz

          i’m so sorry kestrel and hope you feel better. i swear this is like having the plague.

    • chukicita

      I hope Observerhund is waiting on you hand and foot.

    • Joe

      Feel better!

    • Sherbet

      So sorry! If it’s the same virus I got, you’ll still be coughing in a month.

      • i think this one is global, maybe all zika virus and now i can’t get pregnant

    • Juicer77

      Come over here to the sickie corner. I have it too. *sniffle snort*

      • Qbird

        🙁 boooooo.

    • BronxLaurie10

      Ugh. Colds suck. I suggest snuggling up in bed and watching some of the Twilight Zone marathon. (Until 10pm when Leah is on of course.)

  • nottrue

    Leah was in most of her life.. I would call that research.. … https://twitter.com/FauxMamaElsa/status/815836245758603264

    • PickAnotherID

      “There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance — that principle is contempt prior to investigation.”

      Daniel J. Shea, Jr.
      December 1985

    • But…but… Scientologists are also permitted to research! Just only on COS approved sites!

      • April

        They can read any book they want, as long as the author is LRH. And that book by C.S. Lewis Lewis Carroll (for some weird reason).

        TY Techie for the correction!

        • Techie

          “The Screwtape Letters?” Oh no, you must mean Lewis Carroll aka Charles Dodgson. “Down the rabbit hole” or “through the looking glass”, both perfectly appropriate for a Scientology Courseroom. There is also a copy of the Bible in every Scientology courseroom, usually a broken down old red-letter King James version. Because there are two verses referenced in the Minister’s Course from the Bible.

          • MaxSpaceman

            No one, virtually, knew that about the Bibles. Till just now reading you. 🙂

          • April

            I had a brain fart, apparently. Thank you for the correction. 😀

    • Ben Franklin

      Can someone tell Gemma that Leah did not just read stuff on the internet, she actually talked to real people as well.

      • chukicita

        And she lived it.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          And she interviewed them on camera, which is more than So$ has done for many years.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      #gullible?

      Gemma is the one who believes every single word of a science-fiction writer with a troubled past and made a fortune on selling her a bridge.

      Are we sure she and JAW aren’t Poes?

      • Harpoona Frittata

        I don’t think they are, but your comment reminds me of how of just how perfect $cn, with all its mega-whacked space opera nonsense and big piles of woo, would be for a good Poe to have some fun with!

        Just think, if a small army of former members were to dig out their old copies of Advance magazine and begin to tweet and comment as J.R. or D.B. and attest to how their $cn-acquired suppa powerz had benefited them in the past, just as they’d described in those old and totally hilarious Advance mag’s sections on OaTy wins. I know that my own success after completing the L’s in getting my feet to grow a couple extra sizes clinched it for me…$cn OaTys can do anything!

        Although in more recent times, whoever’s now editing the “Wins” section has toned shit down considerably, but back in the day…well, everyone was much more forthcoming about their huge wins and exterior state capabilities. It’s way past time that we reminded the whole world about what $cn can really do!

    • Joe

      Yes, gullible. Unlike Scientologists who are forced to get all their information about Scientology from Scientology.

      Can you imagine that line of reasoning applied to any other area.

      “Sir, we have video of you stealing that car.”
      “No, that’s a lie. I asked me if I stole the car and I told myself I didn’t steal the car, so that video is made up. End of story.”

    • kemist

      Gemma proving very clearly that she’ll believe anything the cherch spews without research #moron else it’ll cost her everything she has to get sec checked #shittingbricks

  • April

    Totally OT: To combat the cold, rainy weather, I just started cooking a huge pot of homemade chili in my corner of the bunker. It’ll be ready in 2-3 hours. Bring your own crackers.

    • Mmmmmmm. Chili. That made me go all warm and cozy just reading about it.

    • gtsix

      I’ll put some corn bread in the oven, and start grating the cheese (for those who like that). We’ve still got beer in the fridge and red wine in the cabinet. Num. Can’t wait. It’s rainy here as well, so chili works for me. Thanks!

    • Marshall

      Great minds think alike! Made a big pot of wedding soup to combat my cold, rainy weather,

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    The huhuhu song:
    An empty building is like an empty life
    I said an empty building is like an empty life
    I makes you feel like you wanna cry
    I have been conned for a long, long time
    During all those years I wasted my time
    I want my money again, I want it back again
    hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu hu
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDNazviNExU

    • MaxSpaceman

      Empty Heart, 1964.

      The era of The Mods. All the press that Mods attracted, all in their suits and ties, all old style culture, covering the New Style culture exploding around the world.

  • chukicita

    Downstream, Harpoona Frittata mentions a “bubble of denial.”

    Bubbles are just membranes; stuff can escape out. And other stuff can get in:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e6cea716d5bb522f84872fd068b84af8de3f8a6aaa1acd665f37054d57cbc9e2.jpg

  • downtherabbithole

    On a happier note enjoy these lovely babies. http://www.nefleaglecam.org/

    • Jimmy3

      Oh yeah. Those birdies will fatten up real nice. Can’t wait til bird season.

      • downtherabbithole

        Now Jimmy stop that, you know you love these little critters

        • Jimmy3

          Hell yeah I do. With a light coat of some Sweet Baby Ray’s. Mmmmmmmmm mmm mmmmm

          • downtherabbithole

            Jimmy you are too much!! And Sweet Baby Ray’s sauce is questionable at best.

            • Jimmy3

              Yes it is questionable, and the answer is delicious.

            • April

              I also love Sweet Baby Ray’s BBQ sauce. I’m only a 10th generation southerner who’s too lazy to make my own though, so what do I know?

            • ReallyMGM

              Moving up to other thread.

            • April

              Your guess is as good as mine at this point. I didn’t know there are so many kinds of hawks. 😀
              I wish that my good camera (Nikon 35mm DSLR) had been charged and ready so that I could have gotten a better pic. I had to use my phone’s camera and it’s not great at zoom; the bird was a good 50 ft away.
              ETA: I think I’ll charge my Nikon in case Mr. Hawk decides to make a repeat appearance in the next few days.

            • ReallyMGM

              They pretty much stand out because of the tail. There is another “type” that has the solid brown body, but I just can’t think of the name of it. My brother and his sons would know…they are into that sort of stuff.

            • April

              Do Red Tail Hawks have horizonal stripes on the tail like the one in my pic?
              ETA: Nevermind. Apparently they can, according to the Audobon Society. https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/PHOTO/LARGE/red_tailed_hawk_1.jpg

            • Kestrel

              The horizontal stripes on the tail of a red tail hawk are usually much more subtle. I usually associate those stripes with a sharp shinned hawk or a coopers hawk.

            • Qbird

              but those 2 species are much broader (bigger) stripes, Kestrel, yes?

            • Qbird
            • Kestrel

              The striping on this bird is much more delicate than that of the bird in her picture.

            • Qbird

              it’s still just so wonderful to see them, April.
              which ever bird this was, beautiful.

            • ReallyMGM

              I agree. Raptors are gorgeous. I was careful about my smallish dogs when my parents lived in a rural area, though.

            • Qbird

              The Red-Tails, they have stolen my little fishes, ReallyMGM!
              right in front of me, of all the gall, amazing show tho.
              sneaky raptor.

              Ospreys too!

            • ReallyMGM

              Yeah. Have had them steal trout right off the hook in front of me, too. Bastards!

            • ReallyMGM

              Corky’s is good.

          • April

            I’ll come visit you in prison. Aren’t bald eagles still on the endangered list?

            • Jimmy3

              Woops. I thought it was a duck. I’ll pay the fine, but don’t cash this till next year.

      • Kestrel
    • April

      A hawk showed up on the fence in my backyard this afternoon. At least I think it’s a hawk?
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eada3e71fa8581016174280ff040f3b95ee6f7f9a36cf7409745c24763574b25.jpg

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Telegram for King Clam
    Telegram for King Clam

    Beatings must stop
    Stop
    Disconnection must stop
    Stop
    Tax fraud must stop
    Stop

    ………………………………………….
    Tony? He scoops to conquer
    Obs? She shoops to conquer
    OTVIIIisGrrrtttt!!! spoofs to conquer

    But DM? He snoops to con

    Let us pray that the FBI/IRS swoops to conquer
    while DM stoops, conquered
    …………………………………………..
    $cientologists are not the only lot on a downhill slope 🙂
    Here, Sherb

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1f28c0cab5f4badd7054bbe8c3f39f64f687a7d298a1db0aed04b1e79a194f90.jpg

    • Sherbet

      I love your boys.

  • Alice Graves

    I’ve figured out why this site gets the most traffic and the funniest contributors: all the cat people are here.

    Not to diss in any way Tony Ortega’s immense contribution to the field of accurate reporting and the wide ranging scope of scientology news and history he takes on. But the cat people are all here.

    • it’s a conspiracy nobody knows about

      • Alice Graves

        OK Shhhhhh…I will no longer tell.

        • I sometimes post pictures of my Cat, this is what people are waiting fore! Never mind this Johnny Tank!

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            I’ve seen you upvoting my videos… You may as well just admit that you like what you see.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      I think a lot of people come here for my contributions as well. It’s no coincidence that just two days after I posted that infamous photo that people are flooding in.

      • lol – nice try

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Girl, you know it’s true.

          • Mark Foster

            I had to delete the nasty song I put up…about ass…a bit too raunchy…
            But, the ass stat stands…

          • daisy

            On Canadian news they did tributes to famous people who died last yr. One of the people was a Dick Assman. Letterman had him on his show yrs ago.

      • Juicer77

        Hee hee

    • Draco
    • Qbird

      that’s funny. i’ve noticed a lot of dog ppl here as well. hmm? lol
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0e5955d65f99c07b4b073390c6cff577d955dd9cbfd03e57efed794a8e9b02a9.png

      • MaxSpaceman

        such a pooch!
        what a pal !

  • Phil McKraken

    Count again on that Mexico org. It’s not 2 added stories, but more like a half dozen. But the bigger lie is the esthetic.

  • chukicita

    So it’s the second day of the New Year and in keeping with my New Year’s resolution, the second day I am writing to my elected officials. The letters will begin the same way, and then contain a “Today, I am writing because” paragraph with ONE concern.

    I’m betting I can find 365 fresh reasons to write. Here’s a sample:

    Jan 1, 2017

    Dear (elected official),

    I am a voting taxpayer who has lived in your district since _____.

    The Church of Scientology and its so-called “social betterment” auxiliary organizations have concerned citizens of Clearwater and the Tampa Bay region for decades.

    Whether or not it is a religion is irrelevant. I don’t care what they believe, I care how they behave.

    Despite a carefully manicured outward appearance, this high-control organization behaves with increasing contempt for our community, our legal system, and even for its own members. The organization has demonstrated over and over again that it has no intention of acting like a good citizen or good neighbor in the
    communities it inhabits, tax-free.

    Scientology’s policy-driven goals are nothing less than domination, as evidenced by its written policy entitled “Keep Scientology Working” and sacramental words such as these from its founder, L. Ron Hubbard: “Somebody some day will say ‘this is illegal.’ By then be sure the orgs [Scientology organizations] say what is legal or not.”

    – L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 4 January 1966, “LRH Relationship to Orgs” .

    Scientology has been indicted for fraud in several European countries. German government officials have called it a threat to democracy. It cannot call itself a religion in other parts of the world. Even in the U.S., 11 top Scientology officials were indicted for infiltrating US government offices to remove negative information about itself — the largest such infiltration in US history, in 1979.

    Yet local government and elected officials continue to treat Scientology, Inc. like it is a benevolent religious group.

    Today, I’m writing because I’m concerned about Scientology’s adherence to its unique 1993 agreement with the IRS. With the removal and disappearance of many of the organizations top executives, and five years that have elapsed since then during which their positions remain unfilled, it seems like Scientology, Inc. and its many front groups and tentacles are making a mockery of our tax laws and the IRS.

    This multi-billion dollar organization owes much of its success to its tax exemption. Imagine how much your voters would benefit from more than $16 million annually in property taxes back on the rolls, in Clearwater alone?

    It’s time to protect Americans from predatory high-control organizations like Scientology.

    —— Jan 2, 2017

    Today, I’m writing because I’m concerned about the number of Russian and former Soviet bloc country nationals who are living in Clearwater under “religious worker” visas who may or may not be able to leave at will.

    From what I understand, some may have had their passports taken from them. Others may not exactly be working in a context that befits the common definition of “religious work” and may be engaged in employment
    in the companies of other members of their organization. Still others may be remaining in the country on expired visas.

    It’s time to protect Americans from secretive, predatory high-control organizations like Scientology.

    • Gladys Kravitz

      this is pretty good! thank you for taking the time to write your representative.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Very well-written and right to the main points! I’d just add that I intend to vote, based in part, on how willing my elected representatives are to use their authority to do something meaningful to bring this cult’s many abuses and crimes to a halt and will be checking to see what, if anything, he/she has done about it on a regular basis.

      Holding elected officials accountable at every level of government is a responsibility that we should all take on, just as you have! Here in California, starting a grass roots movement to inform, educate and motivate our next governor, Gavin Newsome, to spearhead a campaign to bring this killer cult’s long history of crimes and human/civil rights abuses to an end could be the exact point of leverage needed to finally get something done here.

      • chukicita

        Good point about voting.

        Perhaps it’s time to start thinking about how we can help our elected officials to do their job. Scientology isn’t the only problem in their inbox, but it’s probably one of the more expensive/risky ones they would choose to face.

        One way to help the legislators navigate the issue is by educating their staff members. Scientology didn’t happen overnight and unwinding the strings, as anyone who regularly follows Scientology can attest, can take a long time, and graphs and charts. It’s not something you can explain in one meeting, and legislators themselves don’t have time to learn about everything they know so they depend on staff members.

        I believe Scientology has used this to its own advantage in the past.

        In my first two letters above, I did not provide any references or sources, or even encourage a Google search. This is pretty much as bad as Hubbard. I need to do better, but these were just off the top of my head.

        • Kestrel

          You acted.

    • Draco

      This is excellent Chucki. I am going to give you a dragon hug (scales are put down flat so as not cause injury to hug recipient!)

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      So well said, chukicita! I will vow to do the same – and I just plagiarized it to my blog (so sue me!) https://wordpress.com/post/scientologytaxexempt.wordpress.com/573

  • For 2017 I envision a Ruthless People type script wherein the LA Police are compelled by the FBI to actually produce Shelley Miscavige. When the LA Police don’t find her in the spot that DM claimed she was in, they make moves to arrest DM for her disappearance. Now DM has to scramble to find Shelley (who doesn’t want to be found) to prove she’s still alive and hilarity ensues. Rumors abound that Patty Hearst will come out of retirement to play Shelley!
    Coming soon to a multi-plex near you!

    • Liberated

      I like it.

  • nottrue
    • Was about to post something about it. Must read. And will be featured on A&E.

      • outraged

        Every time I go to Rinders blog and see her face, I tear up.
        Such an emotional, gratifying yet full of pain photo. Like life.

  • Gladys Kravitz

    Hey folks…. is it ok to post off topic on threads?

    I sent Tony an email a while ago, however, I decided to go ahead and drop this comment on a thread because my gears are grinding big time!

    I have a background in politics and government and have participated in conventions in the past. I’m considering going to HowdyCon this year, and I’m willing to put together a panel discussion about how to lobby the IRS and our representatives to investigate the abuses by Co$ with the goal of revoking its tax exempt status.

    Bear in mind I’m in the brainstorming stage; this has just occurred to me in the last week and I need some input from this community. The idea came to me after reading so many comments from folks who want to try and DO SOMETHING to end the abuses. I believe I can help direct some action in a productive way. So with that in mind may I get some feedback?

    Do you folks have any interest in such a panel? Did the last HowdyCon have panels or is that a little to formal for this gathering? What information could I provide to assist you in lobbying? Has anyone here ever been involved in lobbying efforts or 501(c)3/4 orgs? Is anyone familiar with the process of lobbying? I am willing to moderate the panel. I can show you folks how to organize such an effort and I can also help the process questions.

    Please let me know if you are interested in this and if so, I’ll keep brainstorming and planning.

    • Mark Foster

      I won´t be there, but I still think it´s a fantastic idea!

      • Gladys Kravitz

        thank you Mark! i’m considering all options – whether it’s a panel or a website or whatever…. any suggestions on information you need to take action are welcome!

        • Mark Foster

          What´s best? Phone calls, snail mail, emails, or a combination of all of those?

          • Gladys Kravitz

            it depends on the issue and this is definitely the type of thing i’d want to share via a presentation, powerpoint, or panel.

            the most effective thing is to contact your reps – both state and federal – via phone at their district office. this indicates that you are a constituent, and reps take those types of contacts more seriously than they do the ones who call into their DC offices.

            many times elected officials are the targets of national contact campaigns. the point of effective lobbying is to drill down to a district level issue and pressure the elected official to take the initiative to act on it. the best possible outcome would be to have a lot of folks in district pressuring their officials, because the officials are concerned mainly with re-election. gosh, there are so many facets of this conversation that it’s difficult for me to respond adequately….

            in short, phone calls to the local office are most effective. emails to officials outside your district may be counted but not taken as seriously. snail mail is read and counted, but you’ll generally get form letters in response.

            i hope that helps. please do let me know if i can provide more detailed information.

          • Gladys Kravitz

            Mark, I swear I posted a reply to you but it looks like Disqus ate it. Did you see a reply? If not please let me know and I’ll resubmit.

            *shakes fist at internet*

    • Kim O’Brien

      Ha …I was just downtown at the hotel 🙂 Here is my take on it …this is more of a reunion and a release for people , as opposed to a convention or symposium . How about we add a page to the web site ” How to Help” …so people can do something now ?

      • Gladys Kravitz

        i would be happy to put together something that you could post online. it would take a little bit of time and research on my part but i’m totally willing.

        • Kim O’Brien

          if you were going to do a power point ..i bet Dice can link that to the howdy con page ( i am no tech master )

        • chukicita

          That would be really useful.

          There are some Scientologists who have been involved in lobbying efforts for various interests. Mary de Moss Pantone, for instance, had her shingle out as a lobbyist for awhile. Scientology has also used wog lobbyist services in the past.

          • Gladys Kravitz

            oh that’s good to know, thanks chukicita. i do know about their wog lobbying. honestly i think it wouldn’t be hard to completely eff up their relationships with lobbying orgs… but that’s just lil’ ol’ me sitting here in a corner thinking i know people….. 😉

    • Kim O’Brien

      there is also a suggestion page on the web site 😉 i’m the one planning it

      • Gladys Kravitz

        oh fantastic!!! kim, i looked over the website a bit and wasn’t sure who i needed to connect with. would you be available via email? if so, i’ll post my email real quick, you copy it, and then i’ll delete it from the comments (i’m super paranoid because of my day job). i really would love to help.

        • Kim O’Brien

          yup ..my email is right there top contact

          • Gladys Kravitz

            awesome, just emailed you thru the web 🙂

            please do let me know if i can help out.

      • Jimmy3

        I want balloons with pictures of hookers on them. But no helium, I’m allergic

        • Kim O’Brien

          i have midgets to blow them up . Just thought you would like them . One has a latex allergy though …so keep that in mind for the after party

        • Nat-leficent

          So weird.

          • Jimmy3

            The league commissioner says you’re not allowed to talk to me until the investigation is complete.

            • Nat-leficent

              I want my promised prize!

            • Jimmy3

              Calm down, khaleesi. You’ll get your water horses or what the fuck ever.

          • Kim O’Brien

            check email ….just fyi …s’ok

            • Nat-leficent

              Thanks replied. You know how I feel about Howdy.

      • ReallyMGM

        So far, there is nothing up for Red Rocks that weekend. (I keep checking) This concert junkie has that place in her bucket list of places to see just about ANYONE. I guess I will just Uber it out there to look one day if nothing else cause I have to see the damn place if nothing else.

        • Kim O’Brien

          yes …yes you do . And trust me , SOMEONE is playing that weekend . I am keeping fingers crossed for Bob Dylan cuz that was a rumor .

    • Vaquera

      You are so gracious to offer. Yes, it’s called a “Con,” but it’s really a gathering to hang out and be together. Last year the only scheduled activities were drinks in the hotel on Friday night/dinner on Saturday evening. It was purposefully designed that way. Honestly, we didn’t talk CoS as much as we did commune and laugh which is, I believe, the point of HowdyCon.

      • Gladys Kravitz

        Thanks for the feedback Vaquera. i can certainly imagine that it might be nice to just decompress and unwind and meet like minded people. If it’s that informal I can totally understand. It just strikes me that so many folks want to contribute and help move the goalposts, so to speak. Even if there was nothing formal scheduled, I could still do something informal, like maybe put together a short presentation that could be given during happy hour. I just feel like it would be helpful to channel all this amazing energy that we’ve seen recently.

        Again, thank you so much for the feedback. I am absolutely willing to tailor the panel to you guys and how the event is handled. Formality or informality doesn’t matter; what matters to me is getting the information out there and channeling it in a positive way. If you think of anything else please do let me know. 🙂

        • Vaquera

          Thanks for taking my comment the way it was intended. Just giving you the straight skinny. 🙂

          • Gladys Kravitz

            hey no worries!! it is appreciated, sincerely. as i said downthread i’m not looking to step on any toes… i just want to help and am absolutely willing to tailor the presentation to what the community wants. i am here to serve 🙂

        • Kim O’Brien

          i am putting my foot down on this one . NO scientology at anything called Happy Hour . Like …ever . Otherwise it’s just an hour …with scientology . Nope 🙂

          • Gladys Kravitz

            HAHAHA! noted my friend 🙂

            again, i am willing to tailor this to the community’s needs. i definitely don’t want to come in like i’m changing shit when it doesn’t need to be changed. 🙂

            • Kim O’Brien

              you have to be more than willing …cuz i’m planning the party 😉

            • Gladys Kravitz

              oh girl…. i’m ALL IN! 😀

        • chukicita

          There’s no reason to usurp HowdyCon with a panel – then it might look respectable!

          It would be useful just to have condensed information specifically for Scientology-watchers on lobbying, who to write for what results, and what to expect after you’ve communicated with your elected officials.

          A YouTube video would be great.

          • Gladys Kravitz

            chukita, thank you for your feedback! I’ve heard similar feedback from con attendees, that this is more informal, and I’m totally fine with that. As I’ve told others, i’m absolutely not here to usurp but to help. and if howdycon is not the place to disseminate this info, no biggie, i’m happy to make a web portal or something else. i just want to help effect some change here, and i’m grateful for the feedback and interest!

            • chukicita

              I think it’s a really, really good and useful idea.

              I don’t know a lot about it, but have worked peripherally around lobbying, including the creation (and passing) of legislation. It doesn’t have to be complicated, but people expend a lot of energy decrying that “they” should be doing something when nobody knows who “they” are or how to reach out and proactively help them understand the multiple issues and problems that Scientology, inc. presents.

            • Gladys Kravitz

              exactly! the process is purposefully obtuse. i’m happy to play navigator.

      • Qbird
        • Juicer77

          That shiny thing ain’t real.

          • Qbird

            oh yes it is, just ask that Cremello eyed chick up there.

            (It’s a Akal-Teke breed of horse.)

        • Kim O’Brien

          all the ponies i got for you guys …..look nothing like this 🙁

    • Nat-leficent

      If this is the way things are headed, it should probably not be named after Howdy anymore.

      • Gladys Kravitz

        it is merely an idea i came up with. i am aware of the origin of the name and certainly do NOT want to step on any toes. i am committed to taking my queue from the community. whatever fits your needs, i will accomodate.

    • Techie

      Gladys, I don’t know if you follow Mike Rinder on his blog mikerindersblog.org His contact page is http://www.mikerindersblog.org/contact-me/ Mike might be willing to post your suggestions on his blog and is definitely interested in lobbying or getting the IRS to take notice. Also Jeffery Augustine shows how to report them to the IRS here: https://scientologymoneyproject.com/2015/04/14/how-to-simply-and-effectively-report-the-church-of-scientology-to-the-irs/ Many who follow this wide-ranging subject think the government or law enforcement ought to be interested but don’t know how to do lobbying or contact local officials effectively. You could definitely help us out.

      • Gladys Kravitz

        Techie, thanks for your reply! I do follow Mike’s blog and and have seen Jeffery’s post. I wasn’t sure who to reach out to to begin this effort. Kim suggested making a power point with some basic info on how to reach our local officials. I may start there, however I would love to see a nationwide effort to bring about this change. I will go ahead and email Mike. I imagine he has TONS of emails to wade through but hey, thanks for the suggestion and I will reach out to him.

      • Gladys Kravitz

        Techie I just emailed Mike via the web. Will see what he has to say. Thank you again for the productive suggestion and happy new years!

    • Gladys ~~
      The IRS will not investigate Cult of Scientology Abuses.
      This is FBI turf nor IRS.
      The IRS is composed of CPAS and lawyers who are *NOT* religious scholars and they do not have any interest in ABUSE. Their sole interest in money shenanigans, innurement (Misuse of 501C3 privileges)money laundering, fraud re money, all money matters of interest.
      Crimes like Kidnap, held against will, molestations, etc etc are for FBI.
      IRS do not have the tools or mandate to pursue Abuse.
      Email Jeff4light@aol.com

      • chukicita

        It might be a good idea to have a workshop where folks can learn which agencies to contact regarding specific abuses.

        For instance, if you know of money laundering, fraud re: money or financial crimes embedded in Scientology, write to the IRS. Specifically, to this person or office.

        If you don’t think Scientology is adhering to the 1993 IRS agreement who would you write – your congressperson? Asking for a congressional inquiry?

        If you know about passports being taken from people, who would you call? ICE or DHS? Or is there a state or local human trafficking agency?

        It’s easy to armchair quarterback and say “they” should be doing something about it. Who are “they?” Who is telling them?

      • Gladys Kravitz

        hi Karen, thank you *so much* for your input. i absolutely understand that this would have to be a multi pronged approach. thank you very much for Jeff’s email. i will reach out to him and go from there.

      • Gladys Kravitz

        Karen, I’ve just fired off an email to Jeff. Thank you again for the suggestion, and happy new year to you and your family <3

        • Thanks Gladys.
          My email address is Karendelac@gmail,com
          Happy New Year dear.

          • Gladys Kravitz

            Karen – I’ve sent an email. If you’ll kindly check at your convenience I would appreciate it, and happy new year to you!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      I think that your ideas are well worth pursuing and that many who’d like to help could use some guidance on the most effective ways to do so.

      In each of the Aftermath series episodes, Leah has expressed a very strong desire to do something about it NOW, but seemed to still be in that post-$cn stage of learning all she can about what she didn’t know when she was still in. Since the series was filmed, she may very well have finished that typical stage of post-cult decompression and now be ready to focus in on the best ways to harness outrage into effort to get results.

      Coordinating plans and initiatives with her concerning all of the many different areas of concern, such as the cherch’s undeserved tax-exempt IRS status, to create a grass roots organization of concerned citizens may very well be an idea whose time has now fully arrived. I know that I’d certainly be willing to contribute my time, efforts and resources to the task.

      I don’t want to go into any further detail here in public, but you’re definitely not alone in wanting to take this to the next level and see that the momentum for change that’s currently sweeping the country gets focused into effective action. Lil davey the cult’s incompetent and sadistic ruler appears to be doing doing his absolute best to destroy the church from within, so let’s lend him a big hand from the outside and make that happen in 2017!

      • Gladys Kravitz

        heya harpoona! thanks so much for the feedback!

        i have also noticed leah and others expressing the desire to channel their energy into productive means. perhaps that is what got my gears grinding. i was sitting there watching thinking, GUYS I KNOW WHAT TO DO NEXT and now its driving me batty.

        i would be more than happy to help organize some of these efforts. based on feedback from others via comments and email i think i’m going to work on putting something together for ‘initial contact’ to our reps that can be posted online. it may take a couple of weeks to research and fine tune, but i’m in. if you can think of anything else that the community may need, please do let me know. am here to help!

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Sounds great! It’s worth noting that the cult monitors this blog closely, and they’ve proven themselves to be the kind of folks who will stop at nothing if they feel seriously threatened. So, keeping that in mind and working to ensure privacy and anonymity are always a good precaution to take.

          Even if you’re not afraid of the cult, as Leah’s mentioned repeatedly, it’s still a good idea to keep any organized efforts to form groups, make plans and coordinate activities on the down low.

          But on the other hand, confronting the scurrying cult cockroaches, like Mike did with the two PIs who the cult hired to spy on them in the last episode, looked like a whole lot of fun!

          Filming the cult’s efforts to fair game Leah and her crew provided the audience with real-time, direct evidence of what many of those featured on her series had said about the kind of harassment, intimidation, threats and invasion of privacy that they’d experienced at the hands of the cult in the past, thereby corroborating the fact that is indeed exactly what the cult does…loved it!

          • Gladys Kravitz

            absolutely points taken and noted. i do know that they monitor…. i would absolutely do all organizing off site for sure. this ain’t my first rodeo, although i’ve never dealt with COS level stalking. that being said… FUCK THEM. i am stronger and more resilient than most, especially when i’m on a mission for the greater good.

            thank you again for your encouragement HF. it is greatly appreciated!

    • lori banister

      What a great idea! I would love to see and participate in that.

  • Draco

    G’night, all. My Interwebs appears to be on a go slow today, and I can’t be bothered to fight with it anymore…
    xxx

  • outraged

    Still continually stunned by the all the time and effort and money spent in Scientology on anything and everything having NOTHING at all to do with religion, spirituality, human kindness, giving, nurturing, helping, or even volunteering.

    The only deeds concerned with the Greatest Good For All are speeches by a weird looking robotic guy with gilded hair peeking above the podium like a child, speaking confounded words of wisdom to bored rapt listeners glued to seats.

  • So the smoke and mirror CON is to acquire more real estate from gouged locals and pretend it is *unprecedented* expansion.
    Perhaps some media are fooled. And the die hards imprisoned in the tunnel.
    The cult has so much *unprecedented* expansion that they continue to send out letters to someone who bought a book 30 YEARS ago ! LOLOLOL https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4193080d44d00e607e93560decf654056c77124644e07cd9d981cc78b19dd209.jpg

    • Joe

      I loved seeing you on Leah’s show, Karen. I hope your holidays were great!

    • ONEpointONE

      I loved how Leah’s show exposed this ‘expansion’ lie to the millions.

    • Mark Foster

      Wow, that is just SAD.
      These people, sitting in an empty org, writing LETTERS(not even emails) to people who bought books 30 years ago…are engaged in a cutting edge, charging-the-ramparts assault on the 3rd dynamic engram, right? They are valiant warriors in the battle to free this planet from the dwindling spiral, with their steakhouse uniforms and easy-bake skin galvanometers? And in this age of digital downloads, they sell over-priced books and COMPACT DISCS?
      Well, then I said to the Book Store Officer…

      Barbecued BT´s and Engram Enchiladas, I declare!
      With these OT powers, I´ll grow long, flowing hair!
      I´ll read Diuretics and become a genius overnight,
      And have the really cool power of x-ray sight 🙂
      I´ll be a big being hero,
      Reduce those engrams to zero,
      I´ll join the Homo Novus class
      and kick some major Farsecian ass!

      Yes, I´ll take 5 copies of Fundamentals of Rot,
      10 copies of Introduction to Scientology Torture,
      and 20 copies of The Way to Crappyness!

      What? You want a donation for an Ideal In And Out Burger, to be
      built next to the existing Ideal Fill and Swill Gas Station and Package Licquor Store?
      I´m in!
      Do you take postulate checks and theta intention certificates?

      Oh, yes, I did buy History of Man 40 years ago! Yes, I saw a lot
      of those things in my acid trip, too! My conversation with Piltdown
      Man was wild…

      Yes, I truly AM aware that the fate of every man, woman, and child
      depends on what you do, here and now, to sell me thousands of
      dollars of utter shite!
      Thanks:)

      • daisy

        I like a man who can rhyme with snark !

    • downtherabbithole

      I’m wondering, do you remember the Dianetics book you purchased from us?

      Yes I do and continue to regret it to this very day. Please forget you ever knew my name.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        …do you remember the Dianetics book you purchased from us? It was filled with semicolons put there by some DB CICS SP that we have kept in the Hole ever since. You should really come in and we can clear up all your MU’s and get you to sign some credit card applications…

    • ze moo

      This letter is the equivalent of the ‘cold call’. They have a very high failure rate and are considered the bottom rung of any sales job.

  • Vaquera

    Running out the door. World Juniors Championship quarterfinal game, USA v Switzerland, puck drop in 90 minutes. Send your positive postulates to Toronto! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • Jeb Burton

    Connected to a post on Leahs site of a 2010 St Pete Times article on abortion in the cult. Just remember Cook and Rinder knew of this policy. Mike has apologized, Cook is enjoying her millions. God damn it, this article made me hate Scientology more than ever, and everybody in it. You have a lot to answer for ex executives.

    • Kim O’Brien

      no to you though …and for sure not for an abortion . one would guess that if she publicly said she was sorry …that would be verifying something that would then violate her settlement agreement . she got out with prolly 15 years taken off of her life , like most people in that cult . She looks like a human being again … and she has earned it IMO

      • Jeb Burton

        I’m really tired of giving these assholes the benefit of the doubt. They didn’t lose all sense of morality when they were in. A bunch of vicious, bullying assholes. They are beyond contempt. If they don’t realize that they did wrong, Im sorry, a bunch of dirtbags.

        • daisy

          Sorry to see you didn*t listen to us. We asked nicely if you could be less of an ass in the new year. Oh well maybe next year, .

          • Jeb Burton

            Or maybe truthful? Lets face it, Scientologists are assholes.

            • daisy

              …..and by that logic all Jeb*s are dicks

            • Jeb Burton

              Even Jeb Clampett? He seemed like a pretty cool dude to me.

            • Kestrel

              That was Jed Clampett.

            • Jeb Burton

              Maybe all Jebs are dicks. Cant argue with facts.

            • Kestrel

              I never do.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i liked Jed . He actually made a point of saying ” I’m not JEB “

            • Mark Foster

              I was a scientologist. Even when I was IN that mind-set, I knew that I was ,sometimes, an asshole; I had some degree of innate humility and honesty that wasn´t fully corrupted by scientology. Now that I am OUT of that cult mind-fuck, I can see even MORE examples of asshole attitudes and behaviors of mine that aligned with cult mores and policies. It´s been a gradual, intense process of ¨waking up¨…
              You don´t personally know Debbie Cook. You don´t have all of the information about what she´s been through. Scientology harassed, abused, and sued HER. She wrote a letter that rocked the scientology world and helped many people question and eventually escape the utter, soul-killing fuckery that is scientology, so, I´m cool with her having her money and her health and her peace. She helped lots of people. That email is probably STILL helping some scientologists wake the fuck up.
              More on the ¨scientologists are assholes¨ comment: Yes, SOME of them are(just like SOME people in ANY random group are gonna be assholes). There were some people I worked with on staff who were some of the most arrogant,back-stabbing drama whores I have ever encountered , whom I became so disgusted by that I wouldn´t have pissed on them if they were on fire…BUT, I also know, now, that some degree of their behavior was the result of years of confusion technique and hypnotic routines and social pressure, etc, etc. I am not only willing, but determined to give ALL of those people the benefit of the doubt, 5 years later, because that´s exactly what others gave ME when I emerged from that rat-fuck cult, not really understanding how deeply scarred I was by my experience.
              Your statement is neither factually true nor helpful. I get it as an emotional outburst. But…sigh…C´mon, man. Chill the fuck out!
              ETA I would even extend that benefit of the doubt to 4 foot 13 if I believed he was actually capable of feeling remorse…
              Nah, scratch that! 🙂

            • pluvo

              This comment is far too complex for Jeb and his black/white attitude. He doesn’t want to know – really. I tried to explain and sometimes had the idea that he could differentiate and had the illusion that I had a real conversation with him.
              But then again, it looks like he is less outraged and just engages to vent his spleen because he hates the Sea Orgers who are running around in (his) Downtown Claerwater and likes to argue against others. To do this he uses accusations and themes to provoke and he knows we jump at.

            • Jeb Burton

              So no one can question the exes? Its not too complex. It is pretty basic for me. These people get a little power and totally abuse it. To me, its like a power hungry boss. Total asshole.

            • Mark Foster

              Pluvo, perhaps you´re right. I´m out, this motherfucker is getting on my one last nerve…Cheers 🙂

            • Nat-leficent

              Jeb may not have listened, but I heard your message Mark

            • Jeb Burton

              I get that. She was an upper level executive and knew of abuses. It seems that til she was abused, did it get too much for her. You apologists forget she knew everything that was going on. I know, I am the bad guy for pointing that out. Oh I know, she was brainwashed, and didnt know. Bullshit.

            • Jeb, there is only one person in scientology who knows everything that’s going on.

            • Jeb Burton

              Yeah, Nobody knows anything. I was a top level exec, and had no idea. OK, believe that. Her testimony shows she knew nothing.

            • She was CO FSO and nowhere near Int.

            • Jeb Burton

              I don’t know what that means. But I’m sure it means she knew nothing.

            • Commanding Officer of the Flag Service Org. You really need to read Tony’s and other relevant posts sometimes, in order to have a well informed opinion.

            • Jeb Burton

              I’m proud I don’t know what CO FSO means. It means I have somewhat of a life outside of this website.

            • Good for you.

            • Joe

              I think for a lot of them it just seemed like basic survival. Like Mike Rinder said, when you saw DM beating on someone you didn’t say anything because you knew if you did, he would turn on you next.

            • Mark Foster

              Jeb, I am not an apologist.
              Have you ever really taken the time to read anything about cults by scholars and writers who study them? You don´t even have to leave this blog to start doing so; read what Jon Atack has written, for example. Check out Rick Alan Ross and Steve Hassan. Janja Lelich. Margaret Singer. Robert Jay Lifton. John Marks. Arnie Lerma . Gerry Armstrong. Check out Derren Brown´s hypnosis videos on Youtube. There´s TONS of interesting and informative stuff to read.
              Instead of being a simple-minded, opinionated dick, actually do some research. Really. Go do some concentrated reading. Better yet, have some conversations with ex-scientologists and make an effort to listen. Assume that you MIGHT actually still be capable of learning something about this subject and then try to do that.

            • Jeb Burton

              No. I only know what I live. I dont need some egghead to tell me that I see anti social, arrogant, and smug assholes running around my downtown. Well not running, walking very rapidly. I question everything. I realize that is not popular here.I have a feeling that many were assholes before joining the cult. By the way, I have read most everything on here. I question a lot of it.

            • Nat-leficent

              Dude, let Mark Foster drop some knowledge on you. He’s a straight up guy who has ALWAYS held himself accountable for his actions and owned up to his flaws. He knows what he is talking about.

            • Kim O’Brien

              why do i feel like both of my ex husbands are here right now ? Ugh ..go do something then already . I mean ya live RIGHT FUCKING THERE and yet you do nothing . Put on your black socks and sandals and march your ass down there and make it all better .

            • Frodis73

              Gee Jeb, I wonder if we could go back and drop you in the SO as a 17 yr old kid where you would be today? Out blowing the whistle? Or maybe kissing DM’s ass? No way to know.
              You can however read about undue influence to try and gain more of an understanding on this complex topic. It is just not that easy or as black and white as you think it is.

            • Jeb Burton

              I read Dianetics when I was 18 and thought what a bunch of bullshit. So there’s that. Either too stupid or too smart to buy what the con man was selling.

            • My brother.

            • Nat-leficent

              Best. Mark. Foster. Post. Ever.

              Thanks <3

        • Kim O’Brien

          they did not ask you to give them the benefit or not .so they are unaware of your stress about it . I mean if EVEN I think you sound like the anger is displaced …i mean c’mon .

          you could always just stop reading about it ya know . you do not NEED to give them the benefit of the doubt and then get pissed when they fail you or whatever .

          • Jeb Burton

            Always the same answer when you criticize exes, Quit reading about them, just go away.

            • daisy

              Well the right answer is the right answer. Most people learn after a couple of times.

            • Kim O’Brien

              oh get off the cross …other people need the wood ya big crybaby

            • Jimmy3

              I got some oh I’ve made this joke already

            • Jeb Burton

              Somebody has to die on the cross. Heaven knows you bunkerites wont point out the truth.

            • Kim O’Brien

              um ..he did not die . DUH . But let me express my ever lasting gratitude to you Jeb …for being man enough to get on that cross …and piss in the wind and then on the heads of people you have never met and have not effected your life in any way at all . Bravo . I mean …holy Yahweh ….no one here would EVER know the truth if it were not for you .

              Can Jeb get an AMEN people ?? Do youze all have to be so ungrateful ?? I mean …JEB is hurting you guys ! Can’t you see he trying to also get us to get pissed at a survivor who actually beat DM at his own game ??

              honestly Jeb ….no one is gonna be pissed a woman who beat DM when HE sued HER …and she got to get her life back .

              DM got beat by a girl and I’m gonna give any woman who did that …a high fucking five . No matter what you say you fuckwit

    • downtherabbithole

      Jeb, your posts always come off with so much anger and judgement. Do you have any compassion at all for those who have been damaged by Scientology? I find your judgement of others rather offensive.

      • Jeb Burton

        Of course I do. I have compassion with what they went through. Doesn’t mean what they did was right. They ruined lives, sometimes their own, sometimes the kids they put in scientology, sometimes when they shamed young woman to get abortions.

        • downtherabbithole

          So then why are you so quick to pass your judgement on these people? I sincerely do not understand some your comments. Can you not make your point of view known without degrading others?

    • ONEpointONE

      Sorry you’re filled with hate for people you don’t even know. I hope you get over it and start whistling a happy tune.

      • Jeb Burton

        Please read that article and sing a happy tune. I know these people, I live in the same fucking city.

        • ONEpointONE

          Hate is contagious, Jeb. You’re spreading it and I’m not not having it. If you don’t want to whistle a happy tune then go fly a kite.

          • “The best revenge is not to be like your enemy.”
            Marcus Aurelius

            • ze moo

              “Our enemy is not our teacher’, Gandhi.

            • ONEpointONE

              “My enemy is my teacher” the 14th Dalai Lama

            • “He who walks with a limp, runs with a hop”. Anonymous sage.

            • ONEpointONE

              “The best revenge is to be unlike him who performed the injury” Marcus Aurelius

            • I’ve posted that one before – differing translation, same sentiment.

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          I live in the same city for 46 years. Big deal! A good citizen would try to help the city. All but downtown is beautiful! Are you stuck in downtown only? Sad if you are.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      So, you’ve got all these ex-members who are now clearly on the side of stopping cult abuses and, on the other side, still-in folks who are continuing to support and perpetrate those crimes and abuses. right?

      Why take aim at those who are now out and doing their best to stop cult abuse, instead of focusing your attention on doing something about the ongoing abuses that continue to be perpetrated by those who are still-in? I’d rather “just remember” who the actual enemy is here in present time and what we’re actually trying to stop.

      Seems to me like you’re either tone deaf and clueless, or purposefully making a statement like that in order to deflect attention away from those who are continuing to support and commit those abuses.

      Is there some other alternative perspective here in which you don’t come off as either doucheworthy or an OSA troll? I ask, because it’s never a good idea to just jump to conclusions or to judge folks based on insufficient knowledge.

    • downtherabbithole

      Jeb help me to understand where your point of view comes from. Were you once a member of COS?

      • Observer

        Oh dear Xenu, here we go again. This broken record has been playing for a long time.

        • downtherabbithole

          Sorry I even engaged in this conversation. I am not a long time poster in this community but have learned my lesson well this evening.

          • Observer

            No apology necessary–my exasperation wasn’t directed at you, and I apologize if it came across that way.

          • Qbird

            i understand, dtrh. I like that you question & say what you think & feel.
            stay calm.

      • Jeb Burton

        Never in. Just a little pissed that these people on Leahs series are tearing their hearts out and risking friends and families and Debbie Cook is keeping her mouth shut. Maybe its the right thing to do, but I dont see her as a savior.

        • Kim O’Brien

          that’s ok . No one sees you as a savior either

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Walk in soneone’s shoes or have empathy, then you’d b considered just.

    • HTC

      I get it Jeb, I also have a hard time forgiving the execs for their abuses. After reading the Debbie Cook email, the only thing I came away with is that she dislikes DM but a HUGE LRH fan. I’d say she didn’t talk to the media because she’s still drinking the koolaid.

      • downtherabbithole

        Forgiveness is a difficult thing when one has been hurt. But holding onto past transgressions only hurts yourself in the long run. Being angry and bitter gets you no where.

        • daisy

          I believe Jeb is a never -in. He lives in Clearwater. He does not like the scientologist community.

          • Jeb Burton

            No shit. Never in, but I prefer never gullible enough. I remember when Marty Rathbun was the hero in here years ago, I said but what about what he’s done to people and never apologized? I was assured he had turned over a new leaf, Can’t get enough of the squirrel busters and if you dont like it, go to a different site to talk that nonesense. I criticized Cook and was told the same thing. These people aren’t heroes.

            • daisy

              I usually judge people by their actions. Asshole or good guy are relative and fluid. Marty was doing good. He was praised for it. In your world you are not forgiven for once being an asshole. You are so self -satisfied that you were right about him, but according to you all exes are to be judged by your harsh criteria. I would prefer to be wrong about some people. Most people are not all bad or all good including you I would a imagine. Lighten up or keep being told you are a prick.. I guess you think that just makes you *honest* or * right * . It doesn*t.

            • Kim O’Brien

              they are hero’s to some . If that eats you up ….then you might want to get some help because at this point …..you are just creepy and you have lost the audience . No one here is gonna cry just because you are frustrated . Maybe you should worry about things in Florida that actually affect you . Otherwise ….you just seem like another headline

              ” Florida man goes nuts and shits in the streets all over downtown Clearwater ”

              I mean …i would totally buy that headline , it’s Florida . Most things start with …” Florida man …”

              I had a friend go as ” Florida Man ” for Halloween . Just wore a t-shirt that said Florida Man . Maybe …in honor of your hard work … at HowdyCon …i will get a bunch of shirts that say ” Florida Man ” on them

          • Hi girlfriend! Just wanted to let you know that AegerPrimo made a post on FB today and she seems to be just fine. Waiting on reply from her.

          • Kim O’Brien

            so he is just some old angry white dude in florida . oh great . like florida does not have enough of those

        • Observer

          Jeb has never been in. The most he has to be angry about is how Scientology has jacked up downtown Clearwater.

          NOTE TO LURKERS: Jeb is in the minority here. Most of us understand, or at least make an effort to understand, what you are escaping from, and support you in your efforts to reclaim your lives. Yes, you’ll run into people like Jeb in real life. You’ll also run into many people like the rest of us.

      • jayla197145

        HTC, While reading Debbie’s email, I wondered if she felt like if she didn’t criticize LRH, and acted like he was the gold standard, then the recipients of the email would be much more likely to be open to listening to her. Like maybe that was more of a strategy than her real feelings about LRH. Kind of like easing them into starting to question things. But I don’t know much at all about Debbie except for her email, so I could be totally wrong.

        • Kestrel

          I think many scientologists leave with the thought that LRH was great and Miscavige ruined everything. Over time, many find that LRH was not all that.

        • pluvo

          She was born into Scn, AFAIK, and I read that she was already a messenger for Hubbard. She didn’t know anything else and I’m pretty sure that when she wrote the letter she meant it, she was not out of Scn then, only out of the Sea Org.

    • Frodis73

      For like the millionth time, after DM had to pay her to end the lawsuit *he* started, she had to sign away her rights to talk. That is why she is not out here talking. As for her love of LRH look at when she wrote that…it was a long time ago. Now look at all the ex-sci’s that hang out on the net. The vast majority come away with the opinion that it is a scam and lrh is a loony. I am pretty certain Debbie is in that category too if we just go by that. Once you are away from the mind fuck most of them ditch it.

      • Jeb Burton

        You don’t know that. Wishful thinking on your part.

        • Robert Eckert

          And you don’t know anything either.

  • Kim O’Brien

    I was downtown today checking out the hotel and spots within staggering distance of the place to have a cocktail party . So ..i decided to cruise on down to the org to see all the hustle ( so to speak ) and guess what ? Not a soul to be seen . I did see someone park right in front of the place …with Cali plates , but then she went into the loft’s across the street with her friend as they were pointing at the building and making faces .

    there is a bar …i kid you not …RIGHT next door to the place . Like a good ole dive with darts even . No baseball game in town that weekend ….they are at an away game , so the parking lot will be empty .

    i hope no one thinks that it is a good idea to go bar hopping and then go to that bar and then drink and then get snarky or something 😉

    • Kestrel

      Well, if it’s on the way back…

    • Frodis73

      If I can work my way there, I am so in for something along those lines. I have never even seen or been in a real live Org after all.

      • Kim O’Brien

        not sure if we can get in ….but pretty sure we can puke and pee on the side of the building . I mean ..it’s downtown and I am a fucking American . It’s my right to puke on the side of a building..( i’ll let guys pee on it though )

        • Frodis73

          Perfect!

  • Joe

    I just wanted to say how enjoyable and relaxing it is to sit on my couch all day and talk with you all.

  • Supper Powers

    There’s a first look at upcoming Leah episodes on A&E at 10:00pm EST tonight in the States tonight.

  • ***We interrupt this programme for a bonus episode of Marty Watch. ***

    His latest post has noticed the US election, and has caught up with the widely held opinion that the President Elect might not be good for that country. Political commentators are supposed to urge people to lock the stable door before the horse bolts… but it’s a better effort than his previous writing.

    His prose has undergone a shift, too – it’s almost as if he now benefits from an editor – or perhaps he sounds more coherent when he writes about real situations and events, rather than trying to make made-up stuff like Scientology sound as if it makes sense.

    Is this an attempt to build up his audience again (the comments sections is now a little healthier) or, having attracted attention, will he return to his previous campaign?

    • Kim O’Brien

      oh god …he’s gonna run for dogcatcher or something . Fucking Texas

      • Jimmy3

        Of course he is. Squirrels hate dogs.

      • Sunny
        • Kim O’Brien

          LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!

        • Kestrel

          Preach it, sister!

        • UK population: 64.1 million.
          Population of Texas:26.96 million.

          That’s a roomy place.

          • Kestrel

            Brewster County, Texas has a population of 9,232 people in an area bigger than the state of Connecticut. There’s about 1.5 people per square mile, or one per square kilometer.

          • Kim O’Brien

            with the exception of a few Texans here at the Bunker …i say we trade . I will take people from Liverpool and Cornwall over anyone from Houston . Hands down

            • Kestrel

              (Backs away slowly. Looks left and right for TexasBroad, dibythesea, and (originally) Vaquera.)

            • Kim O’Brien

              not THEM …like i said …we have exceptions 😉

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Have relative in Cornwall and a visit years back was fantastic, memorable.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i know people from Manchester . Met them when they were here for some rugby thing . I can honestly say that i do not think i have ever been so hung over in my life .

          • April

            “That’s a roomy place.”

            Especially the western part of the state (with the exception of a couple of counties such as El Paso).

            • Kestrel

              You’re right. Most of the western half of the state has a lot of room. By the way, San Antonio is in Bexar County.

            • April

              You’re right. I didn’t put Bexar County because most people wouldn’t have heard of it, but El Paso is rather well known. And I think you replied before I corrected myself from San Antonio to El Paso. 😀

            • Kim O’Brien

              i love El Paso actually

        • Ella Raitch

          Meet Western Australia…
          http://i.imgur.com/0p1gYVe.png

          😉

    • Kestrel

      His last two efforts have been clear and readable. Maybe he is moving beyond his obsession and finding new interests.

      • Kim O’Brien

        sad that ” clear and readable” is an improvement . Maybe he will get to ” cogent ” before he turns 65

        • While he’s doing this, he’s doing nothing worse. A man’s got to have a hobby.

      • I hope so, for his sake.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Once his spouse’s legal legal issue reached closure, and

      once Marty Mark displayed himself forever on film in Louis’ picture

      he has become, really, inconsequential. No one cares what he has to say. He needs to get a job; make a day’s work out of his day, rather than . . .

      • He needs to get over the misplaced sense of self-importance and the delusions of competence he acquired when he rose to ‘high office’ in the CofS.

        That sounds mean, I know. However, he is presenting a short blog post arguing that President Trump might not be good for the US, some time after all of the issues have already been thrashed out.

        He seems to think that the world is waiting with bated breath for his opinion, so that the question can be settled for once and for all. In fact, it’s only his regular commenters who care. It seems that he still has a high opinion of himself, and a certain lack of self-awareness.

    • Harmless Weirdo

      Good lord; that’s verging on word salad.

      • His idea is not well expressed. However, there is an idea lurking among all that badly structured prose. It may be banal, but this post is a big advance on his pronouncements about Scientology, in that you can actually tease out what he is trying to say.

        Go back into his archive, and you will come across attempts to rationalise the nonsense that is Scientology which are truly incomprehensible.

    • pluvo

      Do you think he writes it himself? I got doubts the last two posts as there were no cryptic insinuations, it’s somehow not real warrior-speak.

      • Marty’s latest post is not as obscure as they used to be, nor do the references he uses seem to be quite such a reach. However, it still has elements of his style, and it’s not well written.

        I think he has the advantage that he is no longer discussing Scientology. When you do that, it’s impossible not to lapse into obscurity because you are trying to rationalise something that is incoherent in the first place. You have to hide the fact that your basic assumptions don’t make
        sense by being deliberately obscure. Hubbard did this, and Marty has
        emulated that style for years.

        US politics is a little more definite and objective, which relieves him of the necessity to obfuscate. If he talks about real events and mainstream political opinions he does not have to be cryptic.

        If someone is writing this stuff for him, what is their motivation?
        Miscavige is crude and direct. If Marty’s blog was under CofS
        control, he would want constant attacks on his perceived enemies. This latest post is a long way from that.

        He might be trying to leverage his blog following in order to break into the mainstream as a kind of opinion columnist. He tried this when he wrote and self-published a novel, which seems to have bombed. Judging by how late he is to the party, and how little he has brought with him, I don’t think this enterprise is going to prosper, either.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • ReallyMGM

      I like his shirt. It has a nice neckline and made out of lovely fabric. I think he stole it from his wife’s closet.

    • Kristen

      Why are those Swedish women wearing parkas indoors?

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Maybe they skied all the way there..?

      • Kim O’Brien

        Jim Meskimen is there ..it is the only way they can avoid the groping and the side boob grab

      • FredEX2

        I saw that too. Looked out of place. Why not pretty red dresses or red jackets like the guys?

    • Hands up anyone who thinks that the Delphian School manages to get scholastic aptitude scores 400 points above the national average without cheating, or just lying about it?

      • Qbird

        hand up for, jest lyin’ – it’s so easy.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        But even if true, anyone dumb enough to wave a ridiculous “Delphian School” flag automatically looses 400 points, so its basically a wash anyway. 😉

      • MadisonAgain

        What “scholastic aptitude scores” are they referring to? The SAT? Prove it, lyintology.

      • beauty for ashes

        Eraser tech!!!

    • ze moo

      How long will that Swedish Roofing company tout their use of Hubbards Admin Tech? Once that gets out in Sweden, they are toast.

      • MadisonAgain

        Does “expanded 30 times since inception” mean they’ve hired 30 people? Put 30 more tiles on their roof?

        • Nat-leficent

          30 dreams within dreams?

        • Kestrel

          Number of weeks they were upstat in the referenced two year period?

    • Harmless Weirdo

      Does Miscavige ever name the chandelier manufacturer, roofing company, or culinary school in his speech? It seems very odd to me that they’re described only in general terms in the captions, rather than by their respective business names.You’d think, that if they were succeeding so brilliantly thanks to WISE tech, they’d willingly make that basic information known…

      • Kestrel

        Odd that their “celebrities” this year are a bunch of who-dats.

        • FredEX2

          That’s coz the Who’s who “celebrities” are starting to distance themselves from the current ‘source’ Mr Big Who Dat Macsavige.

    • FredEX2

      They’re not political, just like they don’t ‘fair game’ or encourage abortions and divorce. They’re real family advocates too. Yep! Family really matters and isn’t considered a ‘distraction’ at all. And you can be any religion and be a Scientologist too coz they love Christians and everyone and all religions are compatible with Scientology…sure…even if everyone else other than Scientologists are considered only ‘WOGS’. And they’re not racist or bigots either. They also respect others human rights and would never do anything to violate them or individuals privacy rights. They also never follow people around or harass anyone. And Scientologists would never lie either. Nope. Never. They aren’t involved in politics or trying to protect their interests or influence anything politically whatsoever. Just like they don’t pay ex Senators and others to lobby for them. Nah. They are as pure and lily white as the driven snow. They aren’t interested in politics or ruling the world. No. Not at all. 😆
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/377277316bd2b19b41f844e5d81c6a7f54af19d683edbf7c5d2976b1c1d8a88a.jpg
      https://exposingmodernmugwumps.com/tag/church-of-scientology-is-alec-member/

      http://tonyortega.org/2016/12/11/scientology-not-very-effective-in-washington-politics-but-it-tries-tries-again/

  • downtherabbithole

    Think now would be a good time to return to watching those cute little eaglets. Enjoy your evening everyone.
    http://www.nefleaglecam.org/

  • daisy
    • daisy
      • daisy
        • Kim O’Brien

          knees together honey …knees together

        • daisy
          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Ha ha! I never expected that last photo.

          • ReallyMGM

            Poor little ancient, wet papillon. I had one of these for 17 1/2 years.

            ETA: he can’t be that ancient, he has all his teeth.

          • Kim O’Brien

            i’m calling Sarah Mc-whatever her name is . Someone needs to write a song for that poor dog

          • FredEX2

            Halp!

        • Ella Raitch

          Now that is how Fat Beagle looks in my mind’s eye

      • Kim O’Brien

        Coors Light ???!

        sad face

        • daisy

          She had just started.

        • MadisonAgain

          Rocky mountain pizz water, yeah?

          • Kestrel

            Like making love in a canoe.

            • Qbird

              fuckin’ near water. hahaha

            • Kestrel

              Thank you, Qbird!

            • Kim O’Brien

              LOLOLOLOLOL

            • Qbird

              Captain Howdy said, one time, “I wouldn’t walk across the street for a free Coors Lite.”

              Then everyone around the world talked about beer for a thread. yeah, huh.
              have to agree.

            • Kim O’Brien

              LOL …so true . 🙂 how in the heck do i find our conversations ? 🙁 someone sent me a link to all the stories where we commented back and forth …but some of those posts have hundreds of comments . Man ..the intertubes are confusing

    • Liberated

      That dog’s not fat!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Things You Learn During The Holidays
    You know those one-day ski-passes you stick on your jacket?
    They are hell to remove from a baby’s hair.

    You know how stepping on Lego in bare feet in the dark is a bastard.
    Duplo is worse.

    You know how babies put everything in their mouths.
    Now I know why my spoon-making has been a relatively clean operation lately.
    High fibre diets ARE recommended, mind.

    DM is in his mid-fifties.
    Do Dr. F. Latulent-Sidebottom and Dr. F. Ffloulkes-Sykes,
    DM’s prostate experts, say “Feel my finger”?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6a9794f59b3cc1633b579d78470795a18bb1f6b40c4d397a66292c8620233f11.jpg

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Kim O’Brien

      ok ..that is awesome

      • Joe

        It’s marathon-ing on A&E right now.

        • Kim O’Brien

          i say we print that sucker and blow it up for howdycon . Tony was pissed about the last photo LOL

        • ReallyMGM

          Scientology will never get away from this show in re-runs!

          • Joe

            Yeah, I love that it’s constantly being replayed. A&E is definitely taking advantage of its popularity.

    • Nat-leficent

      Wow, who did this?

      • Observer

        Not me! I sure wish I had thought of it though.

        • Intergalactic Walrus
          • Nat-leficent

            Lol, this could be the beginning of a very good series of shoops

            • Observer

              Indeed! More, please!

            • Sherbet

              How are you feeling this evening?

            • Observer

              I had to go to the store because we were out of cold medicine and running low on food, so I’ve collapsed boneless on the couch with two dachshund heating pads. Poor Mr Observer is getting worse and may have to forfeit today’s holiday pay by calling in sick tomorrow. He’s much worse than I am.

            • I hope you guys feel better very soon. We had this for about two weeks now, almost back to normal. Never had so many cold sores in my life. Wtf.

            • Sherbet

              Mr. Sherbet and I shared it also.

          • Joe

            “In the criminal justice system, Scientology based offenses are considered especially heinous. On the A&E Network, the dedicated detectives who investigate these vicious abuses are members of an elite squad known as the Scientology Victims Unit. These are their stories.”

            DOINK DOINK!

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Exactly! And in a future episode Ice-T will rush in with fresh info on the perps, so they can be sent up the river! 😉

          • Qbird

            Aaaaaah! good too, Wally!

          • ReallyMGM

            Please tweet them to Leah and Mike!!!!

          • April

            Oh hell yes! I’d totally watch that show!
            Wait a minute….I already am!

          • Observer

            VWD!!

          • beauty for ashes

            how great is this???!!!! :):):)

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Me, it’s just a shoop 🙂

    • Ann B Watson

      I Love This. Thank you.💛

    • PRenaud

      Wow Can I put this on a tweet to my followers.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Sure, tweet away! 🙂

        • PRenaud

          I love it… thanks.

  • Forest Bird

    God those pictures look boring. Pictures of files? That’s their draw? Their hook? Their selling point?

    • Qbird

      yeah – that’s helping to save this sector of the galaxy all right.
      meanwhile, others do other things, like kiss ~ https://safeshare.tv/x/sLtCVDmZnm
      oh tee hee

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      More good stuff at Rinder’s twitter. Worth reading them all.

  • downtherabbithole

    Looking forward to tomorrow nights episode. The only question is what sort of munchies to have. Craving some savory crepes – yummm

    • beauty for ashes

      Load it with all different kinds of mushrooms in a cream sauce, and sage. mmmmmm

    • Kestrel

      Tomorrow night’s episode is titled, “Auditing.” I suggest whatever you choose, you should be sessionable.

      • MaxSpaceman

        A R C that

  • Bradley Greenwood

    It creeps me out to realize that Scientology may still had a “folder” on me somewhere, from my MINOR contact more than 35 years ago.

    • Of course they do.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Pssst! You’re not helping Bradley.

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Does he need it?

    • pluvo
    • What’sup

      They’ve got a file on every commentator here. Every comment itemized, so you have two files.

      • Dave Reams

        That’s a relief! I have not saved any of my posts over the years and now I know they are all nicely organized and waiting for me! Perhaps they even have some cute comments written in the margins by the OSA ???

        • Bradley Greenwood

          Way to look at it!!!

      • Observer

        I was so proud when they used one of mine to try to get Brian Culkin out of going to a Florida to be deposed because the Minions of the Clampire thought my saying he was,”persona non grata to some people” was a threat on his life.

        • beauty for ashes

          isn’t that a person w/o cheese?

          • Observer

            Plenty of cheese, just not grated.

            • Kim O’Brien

              so cheesy

            • daisy

              Your cheese is great. Too cheesy ?

        • What’sup

          I’m pretty sure they have those document boxes on you, my love. Maybe an Observer dart board too.

          Who am I kidding? They don’t have time to play darts.

      • Bradley Greenwood

        May I call you “Sunshine” from now on? 😉

    • Qbird

      Do you still get mail?

      • Bradley Greenwood

        I have moved MANY MANY times.

        • Qbird

          good. i think… 😉 I’ve moved a lot myself. Forces one to travel light.
          still & all, make that scent trail hard, hard, hard
          on the bloodhounds
          all the way.
          Seems to me your hard copy folders are buried somewhere & no one even knows where they are
          Also, they are most certainly in the process of disintegration.

  • Kim O’Brien

    TOTALLY OT but my kid is flying back from Boston right now and she just texted me from the airport . She got upgraded to first class ….and then gave her first class seat to a soldier flying home alone .

    proud momma

    • Kestrel

      You should be. What a selfless gesture.

      • Kim O’Brien

        well ..kind of . She did text me to tell me what a good kid she is ..LOL ..but that’s ok. I buy her lots of ponies

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      So cool, Kim. You raised that girl right!

    • FredEX2

      Quite a girl you raised Kim. That’s really unselfish and sweet.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    So nice watching the reruns of Leah’s, The Aftermath on A& E tonight. Seems I’ve always missed something.

    • beauty for ashes

      I remember one of her friends remarked that since she left scientology, she has *softened* quite a bit. In this series it is even more so. It’s really hard for me to watch, she has become sooo empathetic to everyone around her. She has lost that fake armor. things affect her so greatly now. It’s a vulnerable psychological period for her. She’s being very open about it. It’s something to be proud of, not sure I would have the guts to do it!

  • Steven Gillott

    All this proves this movement is booming! Scientology is going stratospheric!!!!!

    • daisy

      Immodium works for me.

      • Kestrel

        BWAHAHAHA!!!

      • OOkpik

        hahahah
        Lordie, I missed you.
        Good to see you back in fine form. <3

    • Observer

      Are you serious or joking?

      ETA: serious, apparently.

      • Steven Gillott

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a69af6f086cab38660aac77335befa837b805d678b22bf3eb841ac96bbec064a.png I’m this guy’s nephew. I have inside knowledge. The cult is booming!

        • Supper Powers
          • Liberated

            Where do you find this shit?

            • Supper Powers

              It’s all Hearsay.

            • Liberated

              Sure.

        • Send pictures from the Auckland opening please.

          • Kim O’Brien

            minus the nazi flag in the background from the last shot

        • pluvo

          Are you also a Scientologist?

        • pluvo

          I see, just-post-don’t-talk tech.

          • Qbird

            Would this be considered a “blow against the enemy” if a person was doing the amends steps? would this count?
            Will people sign his liability now so he can start routing about?

          • gtsix

            Confront and flatter. No, that’s not it.

            Implant and scatter? Nope.

            Clay demo and don’t matter?

            I give up, this immense tech is so easy to laugh at and natter.

      • Sherbet

        Nope. He called it a “cult.”

        • gtsix

          Oooh, good catch. Damn joking and degrading tech… it’s fast and furious.

    • pluvo

      You know what is weird – in your profile there is only one comment but it says 4 comments. Strange. What happened to the other 3 comments?

      • Kestrel

        Maybe they exteriorised.

    • gtsix

      You bet your ass it is!!!! Booming stratospherically straight out of members!!!!!! Tell COB you sucked cock on Bunker Boulevard!!!!!!! He’ll be so very proud!!!!!!!!

      • Steven Gillott

        What’s COB ? Actually I don’t understand any of the second part of ur comment

    • Supper Powers

      All what? The devastating exposure of a criminal racket that abuses people? You’re right. It’s stratospherically blowing the fuck apart.

    • Noesis

      Lol.

  • ReallyMGM

    I didn’t get around to watching this week’s episode until late in the week. (I know, bad Really) However, when I went to get Mr. Really to watch with me, he said, “Already watched it, but I will watch it again. I was good.” We’ve hooked another Scion watcher, people.

    • It really is creating lots of ripples and waves. I heard about it from an Uber driver, old friends, co-workers.. So yeah.

      • Joe

        I don’t think people knew anything about it. I mean really prior to Going Clear people just thought (1) Tom Cruise is in it and (2) they believe in space aliens, which really has nothing to do with why they’re such a terrible organization. Their cosmology is very wacky and easy to make fun of but it’s one of the least destructive aspects of it. Better yet, Leah’s show was able to reach a lot of people who don’t have HBO.

  • ze moo

    $cientology has a funny idea about ‘heroes’. No one wants ‘Filing Man’ underroos for Christmas.

    • beauty for ashes

      now I want them, thanks zee moo.
      irony and compulsive buying go hand and hand with my generation.

      • Liberated

        I think they sound kinda cool.

        • beauty for ashes

          Wait, it’s like a white wife beater and titey whiteys, unisex, and the butt has a drawing of an open filing cabinet, 3/4 view. and you get one of those badges on a string with the plastic thing and it says filing man and you insert your own picture in it. it comes in a manila envelope.

          • Liberated

            Not seeing a problem here.

            • FredEX2

              The vote is in ze moo. You should patent your underwear idea and make a mint. 😄

            • beauty for ashes

              I wish I was going to howdy con, and could create merch, that would be a funny project!

            • Liberated

              That would be a dream come true!

    • FredEX2

      Oh I dunno ze moo. My ex-husband filed everything. He was type-A+ when it came to making lists and keeping files. He probably would have worn a pair of ‘Filing Man’ hero underoos proudly with his green ‘lucky socks’. 😆

  • pluvo

    Hey….. where is Lurker – is he AWOL?

    • beauty for ashes

      he’s ….right……behind, just kidding. Prolly went back to jail again for stealing one of those funny animals he loves so much.

      • Liberated

        Wait…did he steal that wombat? He told me it followed him home.

        • beauty for ashes

          For all we know he IS the wombat. 🙂

    • gtsix

      Someone said he’s fine and doing rl things. Hoping he’s had a happy and busy holiday period. He’s missed.

    • Supper Powers

      He just has a few things he’s taking care of in real life.

      • What’sup

        I’m going to Melbourne in 7 weeks and I hope to catch up with him in RL….I hope he shows up here before I depart so we can make arrangements.

        • Supper Powers

          I think he’d like that.

          • What’sup

            Yeah, me too. He’s my mate.

            • Supper Powers

              If you do catch up with him, pin a GPS tracker on him for us.

            • What’sup

              Tag on the ear? I think that’s how we keep track of Wombats.

            • Supper Powers

              Or one of those big radio collars.

            • gtsix

              He’d prolly like that too.

        • Kim O’Brien

          please french kiss him for me . but don’t make it weird

          • daisy

            LOL- the French make everything weird.

          • What’sup

            Mmmmm. I’ll see if I can swing it!

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Tony Ortega

      I must have missed the news stories and books calling it a goofy religion for celebs. Was that before Paulette Cooper or something?

      • Supper Powers

        That’s the way most everyone I know refers to it; a goofy religion for celebs. Now the ones watching the show are seeing it differently and watching GC.
        ETA And I’ve recently sent two copies of Miss Lovely to the newly curious.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        From what I’ve seen on social media, unfortunately the vast majority of people seeing Leah’s show have never really paid attention to anything CO$ related before now. Until a few years ago, I also thought it was a goofy religion for kooky celebs like couch jumping/ Brook Shields bashing/ wife repelling Tom Cruise and creepy massuer-grabbing John Travolta. The celebs and the South Park episode led me to believe it was a joke and I never took it seriously. And after I found The Bunker & Rinder’s blog and tried to tell friends about what it really was, they thought I must be exaggerating and had no interest in finding out about it. I think Leah’s has truly accelerated that leap from thinking it is goofy to knowing it is dangerous, scary, etc.

        • Kestrel

          The same thing is happening with people I know.

      • Kim O’Brien

        reading about something is not the same as ” dialoguing ” about it . And yes ..they say
        ” dialoguing ” .

  • daisy

    Just a few minutes ago a friend phoned to tell me she has been watching Leah. Her husband told her – This is about that cult daisy is in. Not quite but I will take the win anyway.

    • Lol

    • Kim O’Brien

      LOL

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      I thought you were a life time member of ASC.

      • Tony Ortega

        We offer no lifetime memberships. In fact, about your yearly dues…

    • pluvo

      Jeeze… you are in the ASC… .

    • salin

      Missed toasting in the new year with you daisy. A belated tip of the hat in greeting, and toast to the new year! Followed by a toast to the Leah viewing friend win.

      • daisy

        I had to be the DD for the dog. Happy New Year to you. My friend is frantically telling me * Did you know — * I am already jaded . I forgot how awful , crazy it sounds to new people. I was also a little hurt she apparently has been turning a deaf ear to me.

        • Kestrel

          I got a friend hooked on Leah’s show. We have a conversation every week about it now. She’s fired up the Hearsay machine to learn more. I directed her here.

          • Kestrel

            Before, it was “eye-roll.”

        • Supper Powers

          This ASC membership card has made me popular amongst my friends and family, too.

  • MaxSpaceman
    • gtsix

      So… you’re saying I should stop using my first communion photo for all my fake IDs? Dammit, I looked so innocent last week.

    • Kim O’Brien

      honestly …the false advertising just does not stop . If i was shooting for super powers and laying down some $$ to do it ..and i went to this thing ..and the real ” old ass sick lookin slim shady ” showed up ….i would freak out . This guy might be helping ppl run away ..without even knowing it . which is why irony is so so so so so wonderful