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A new technology shows promise for treating depression, so Scientology wants to kill it

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Rod Keller keeps his eye on Scientology’s front groups, and he’s back this week with CCHR’s latest freakout…

Scientologists received a call to arms this week from the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR). CCHR is a Scientology front group that works to oppose all forms of mental health care, but in particular against psychiatric medicines and electroconvulsive therapy, or ECT. About 100,000 people receive ECT in the US each year to treat severe depression It is effective for 75 to 90 percent of patients who receive it and should be followed up with prescription medicine that helps prevent a relapse.

Scientology has seen Psychiatry and ECT as a social evil since the 1950s when the medical profession rejected Dianetics as a new tool for treating patients. Psychiatrists are demonized by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard as mad scientists, and ECT is seen as a tool to implant false memories rather than treat severe depression.

 
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The National Office needs our help right now to stop a very dangerous bill.

Please read below and act. It is VERY SIMPLE but VERY IMPORTANT. This absolutely does affect all of us!

In a complicated and convoluted maneuver, the U.S. Congress and U.S. Senate are working together to pass through an enormous health bill in the next two days. They have just entered the bill – on a Saturday on a holiday weekend no less!

It is a 996 page bill – which no one has time to read – to include most of the 21st Century Cures Act as well as most of the Helping Families in Mental Health Crisis Act, both of which include very horrible psychiatric legislation.

This bill, referred to as the “revised” 21st Century Cures Act, is expected to go on the “suspension calendar,” which is a calendar that suspends the usual rules that allow for debate and amendment of bills when a bill is so non-controversial, it definitely is going to pass. They just do a quick procedure and pass the bill with no discussion. This is NOT that type of bill at all – it is 996 pages long!

We have to let Congress know that this is NOT OK and that they should NOT rush to pass this legislation now, but should give it the full study it needs to be sure it will not destroy lives.

Members of Congress are there to represent you – let them know you don’t want them to rush into something that could harm people with unintended consequences.

Tell your Congressman and Senators that the 21st Century Cures Act is not a non-controversial bill, which is the intended use of the Suspension Calendar.

It is a complex and sweeping bill with some dangerous provisions along with the positive ones. This 996 page bill should not be rushed to a vote during the lame duck session.

 
The 21st Century Cures Act is being passed through the US Congress using special procedures, but this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. It was passed by the House in July, but never received a vote in the Senate. It is a massive $6.3 billion spending bill that overhauls the drug and medical device procedure in the US, and provides funding for the National Institutes of Health and the Food and Drug Administration. More than 1,400 lobbyists have been trying to influence the final bill, almost three for every member of Congress. More attention has been focused on this bill than any since the Affordable Care Act in 2010.

One of the many aspects of the bill is revising the procedure for approval of drugs and medical devices to reduce costs to manufacturers, and speed approval of new treatments. This is the aspect that has caught the attention of Scientology, and it has focused on a single device, called Libra from manufacturer St. Jude Medical. Labeled “Something Worse Than Shock Therapy” by CCHR, Libra is a Deep Brain Stimulant, or DBS device that uses a pacemaker-like unit in the chest to power wires that deliver a small current to “Brodmann Area 25” of the brain, thought to be associated with depression.

 
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The device has also been used to treat the symptoms of Parkinson’s Disease with much success. Using DBS for depression is considered a promising area of research, but the Libra device has not tested well in trials.

CCHR claims, “The law calls for skipping scientifically sound safety testing of new medical devices in the guise of helping desperate cases, but it would result in harmful and potentially deadly new gadgets being rolled out for use on the general population. If passed and signed into law, ECT shock machines could become as commonly available and used as electric wheelchairs. Ready in the wings if this bill passes into law is an equally destructive medical device and procedure called ‘Deep Brain Stimulation’ (DBS) — touted as the perfect new salvation for ‘treatment-resistant depression.'”

A spokesman for bill sponsor Michigan Congressman Fred Upton (below) called Scientology’s charges “unfounded.”

 
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Large portions of CCHR’s article on Libra are lifted whole from a September 2015 article by Danielle Egan on the web site Mad in America, “Adverse Effects: The Perils of Deep Brain Stimulation for Depression.” In it, she documents the negative experiences of two patients who received the Libra device in 2008 and 2013. She was not surprised to learn that Scientology had plagiarized her article. “They have a CCHR booth in the Vancouver library, and when I went there they had republished portions of my articles on neurosurgery. Once it’s published, you can’t stop people from using it they way they want to.”

Egan has no affiliation with CCHR, but she is a critic of device manufacturers. “We should be concerned about any attempts by device manufacturers to fast-track and approve these treatments without adequate evidence-based research. Clinical trials must provide participating individuals with sufficient informed consent about all the risks, safeguard participants from harm, adhere to the highest ethical, medical, and scientific standards, and publish all of their results in peer-reviewed journals.”

James Cavuoto is the editor of Neurotech Business Report. He said, “Just Libra? Why aren’t they concerned about Boston Scientific and Medtronic?” Both companies are manufacturers of competing DBS systems.

 
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“Libra for depression is basically abandoned. But I am very optimistic that DBS will eventually be helpful for these patients.” Perhaps the answer to Cavuoto’s question is that Scientology’s research is superficial, and its CCHR staff didn’t find an article on other DBS systems to plagiarize.

Back in Washington, the 21st Century Cures Act passed the House on November 30th by a margin of 392 to 26 and awaits action by the Senate. With the bizarre rules of the House, the vote is recorded as “Tsunami Warning, Education, and Research Act of 2015,” but everybody knows the real name. Representatives who have been associated with Scientology or received campaign donations in the past apparently didn’t get the message, and none of them voted against the act. Rep. David Jolly of Florida did not vote. Reps. Loretta Sanchez and Brad Sherman from California, Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida, and Rep. Danny Davis of Illinois all voted in favor of the act.

If the Senate acts on the bill, it will face opposition from prominent Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, but not because of the possibility that DBS could be approved for depression.

“At a time when Americans pay, by far, the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs, this bill provides absolutely no relief for soaring drug prices. The greed of the pharmaceutical industry has no limit, and this bill includes numerous corporate giveaways that will make drug companies even richer. It’s time for Congress to stand up to the world’s biggest pharmaceutical companies, not give them more handouts,” said Sen. Sanders.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren spoke in the Senate to oppose the bill as “a giveaway to the gun lobby, cuts Medicare funding, raids the Affordable Care Act, takes health care dollars that should have gone to Puerto Rico and makes it harder for people with disabilities to get Medicaid services, If this bill becomes law there is no question it will contain some real legislative accomplishments, but I cannot vote for this bill. I will fight it because I know the difference between compromise and extortion.”

 
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[Sen. Warren expresses her concerns over the 21st Century Cares Act on Nov. 28.]

Scientology is undeterred by the vote in the House, and a new call has gone out for Scientologists to contact their senators to oppose the act and provided the following “talking points,” none of which address the main motivation of opposing approval of DBS, which they see as a new form of ECT.

TALKING POINTS ON WHY THE BILL IS BAD:

1. It would create fast track approval of “high-risk” medical devices and drugs by removing certain regulations, including not requiring randomized clinical trials – which has been the “gold standard” of the FDA up until now. This would include devices such as ECT machines and brain implant devices (ECT machines have never before had official FDA approval due to not getting through clinical trials).

2. The bill would fund $6.3 billion in hand-outs to special interest groups – all at the expense of the taxpayer: YOU.

3. If this bill was so critical, Congress should have ensured that it passed before the election and not be trying to rush a 1,000 page spending bill through in the lame-duck session that no one has read.

4. The bill would increase and sanction state-sponsored, forced, and court-ordered psychiatry.

5. It would also undermine regulations that patient advocacy groups say are essential for making sure medical and drug research is conducted ethically and safely – meaning it could cost lives.

6. Some 1,455 lobbyists on behalf of more than 400 companies and organizations have lobbied on the legislation, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Over the past year and a half, companies who disclosed they lobbied on the Cures Act spent half a billion dollars to influence Congress. The resulting bill is packed with politicians’ pet projects and sops to industry.

7. The Cures Act would severely undermine the FDA by altering its drug and medical device approval process to value speed over accuracy and profits over health and safety.

8. In response to corporate complaints that FDA approvals are costly and time-consuming, the bill would reduce standards, streamline reviews, secure automatic approval for certain devices and drug therapies without rigorous screening, and allow the use of “real world” evidence of drug effectiveness rather than more credible randomized clinical trials. Third parties could certify certain medical devices, avoiding the FDA entirely. Even articles from medical journals could be used as evidence, despite an uptick in retractions in these publications in recent years.

Senators from Florida and California did not return inquiries as to whether or not they support the 21st Century Cures Act. President Obama issued a statement urging the Senate to approve the measure and indicated he will sign it in its present form.

 
— Rod Keller

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Famous bassist Billy Sheehan made the scene at the Hollywood Winter Wonderland show last night, where Scientology continues to celebrate that Jesus was not born on Christmas because he’s just the figment of a galactic overlord’s imagination.

 
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Actual caption: “deniceduff Always an honor for our family to be part of the Police Activities League fundraiser by Celebrity Centre Intl. my husband sang his heart out accompanied by our daughter while Billy Sheehan played his ass off.”

 
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Jim Meskimen and friends also were on hand…

 
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As was the new Scientology celebrity of the moment, Polish god of pop, Kuba Ka

 
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Meanwhile, in Taiwan…

 
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Chico and the Fam

Thanks to everyone who put the word out about MaxSpaceman’s cat, Chico. He has now found his next family, and the Spaceman can proceed with the countdown on his blastoff.

 
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HowdyCon2017

Go here to start making your plans.

 
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  • Dave Reams

    Deep brain stimulation (DBS) may or may not prove to be a worthy and accepted treatment option for treatment resistant depression – only time will tell. But the fact that Scientology as an organization cum religion whose founder explicitely stated on Scientology film that “Scientology has NOTHING to do with the mentally ill !!! Their souls are degraded” is meddling in this is absolutely morally reprehensible.

    In the most recent study of DBS, treatment resistant depression was defined by: “A failure of at least 2 different classes of second-generation antidepressants (eg, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor), 1 trial of a tricyclic antidepressant, 1 trial of a tricyclic antidepressant with lithium augmentation, 1 trial of a monoamine oxidase inhibitor, and 6 or more sessions of bilateral electroconvulsive therapy.” Thats right – a failure of at least six previous differing treatment attempts to relieve the intractible depression. It is not as if Scientology is even offering an alternative!

    Makes me sick!

    • anonsparrow

      defined by:

      • anonsparrow

        defined by what exactly?:

        • chukicita

          It is not uncommon to define terms in studies. I think Dave’s post was very specific about the definition. It would be cool to see a citation, though.

          It showed that DBS isn’t exactly an initial treatment option, which kind of blows up scientology’s gaslight festival about it.

          • April

            It is not uncommon to define terms in studies.

            Not uncommon, it’s required in medical and social science research, or it’s impossible to generalize the results.

      • Dave Reams

        That was (one of) the criteria set by the investigators for inclusion into the study of the effectiveness of DBS.

  • anonsparrow

    No fucking pipeline…

  • stillgrace2

    Just for the record- my cousin’s husband had one of these devices implanted for his extreme tremors due to Parkinson’s with truly miraculous results. There were many tears at the last reunion. You couldn’t even tell he had the disease. It’s been eighteen months now. Suck on that, CCHR, you unbelievable wankers.

    • anonsparrow

      Suck on that.. nicely done.

    • stillgrace2

      Also- my favorite radio host, KGO’s Ronn Owens, underwent the same procedure.

    • Scream Nevermore

      My dad has a neurological condition with symptoms like those of Parkinson’s. I wonder if one of these devices would help? Then again, he’s nearly 80, so maybe not!

      • K2P2(KnitNut)

        Hi Scream. My husband’s family member had severe non-Parkinson’s tremors and has the DBS device shown above. Solid as a rock now – not a hint of shaking. He was about 72 when he had the procedure.

        • Scream Nevermore

          Cheers guys. I’ll mention it to my parents when they come back from Australia. Next year! 😀

      • stillgrace2

        My gut reaction is to consult with your dad and his doctor. You never know. My cousin-in-law was 70 when he had his procedure.

        I am a firm believer in quality of life for any age. I remember chastising my mother because she said she was too close to the end of her life for me to start treating one of her toes that had a nasty nail fungus. She was 78 when we started. The treatment worked (it took awhile, but it was successful). She lived the last 5 years of her life with beautiful toenails. She was grateful and told me I was right after all.

  • anonsparrow

    Fuck Breitbart News also..

  • Lois Reisdorf (Lowie)

    Hi, check out my next installment on Rinder’s Blog today – Year 1978 which was a horrific year with LRH.

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/lois-reisdorf-part-5-1978

    • anonsparrow

      No.

    • Frodis73

      Lois, ignore anonsparrow, he is being a dick for some reason. I read today’s blog and it was great btw. Cannot wait for the rest.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Already read it! Thanks for telling your story.

    • chukicita

      Thank you for telling your story. Your firsthand experiences add very valuable perspective about a time I have often wondered about – around the time when Hubbard’s wife was going to jail – and were frankly jaw-dropping.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Quite the hair-raising tale! Sounds like DM’s only experience with Elron was during his “sceaming fit” phase, which he seems to have adopted later as his own management style and embellished it with his own special touches of sadistic violence and psychological torture.

      I’ve noticed a sharp increase in the number of new folks coming forward here and on Mike’s blog to begin telling their own $cn horror stories for the first time and that’s a very good thing! When you have sociopaths at the top of a rigidly conformist organization like $cn, under both Elron and lil davey’s repressive reigns, it’s impossible for that kind of treatment of staff not to be taken up by supervisors and promulgated throughout the entire organization, which is exactly why there are so many stories of abuse, neglect and human rights violations reported at every level of this killer cult’s operation.

      The more of these first-hand accounts that are made public, the harder it will be for the cult to assert that, whatever problems that might have existed, they were small in number and occurred in the past…that is, if it ever gets beyond just blaming its victims for “pulling it in” in the first place. The only times that the cult has changed its behavior in the past were when a bright light was held up to its crimes and abuses, and never until. I’d say that a very bright light is being shown on $cn’s vile policies of coerced disconnection and Fair Game right now and we’ll just have to see how effective it is in bringing about reform.

      • Frodis73

        You’re right! It seems like more people have come forward lately. I love it.

      • Seconded!

        while some of this first-hand evidence flies in the face of some of the wisdom I have received over the years (LRH the non-drinker?!?) more information is always a good thing.

        What is also telling is the recounting of the mental torture the victims inflicted on themselves to stay out of trouble. And the story of not telling anyone about some details for decades after leaving – sounds like a severe case of PTSD to me, but I really do not have a qualified opinion.

    • I sure read them all. Thank you, Lois.

    • iampissed

      Hi Lois this was but up earlier today and I spent most of the day reading your story,
      off and on. I had not seen it before and I would like to thank you for your candor and
      honesty. Well written and I think a true image of what was happening during that
      time frame. Again Thank You so much.

      • Lois Reisdorf (Lowie)

        Thanks for your kind words. I have really tried to be as frank as possible without any embellishments. I have spent 35 years keeping my mouth shut and that is what I regret the most and especially with my parents – I should have told them the truth in the early 80’s and maybe this big charade in my family would have ended and I would not have a son and my whole family disconnected from me.

        • iampissed

          Well that brought a tear…the main reasons I am he is due to Phill and Willie.
          As a never in I’ve never had to go though that…but dose break my heart.
          Someday for all of you soon I hope.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      I check Mike’s blog everyday, hoping it will feature another one of your installments. Have really enjoyed reading about your experiences Lois. Your historical account and perspective are important. Thank you for sharing them. I am so sorry though that you too have suffered from their toxic disconnection policy and hope that you will be reunited with your loved ones soon.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    They are trying to cheer the place up…
    (refresh)
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BNlvzAbA_js/

    • Newiga

      Still looks scary as heck. O_o

      Now, where’s Xenu Claus?

      • daisy

        Didn*t Steven King write a horror novel about this building, It is definitely creepy. ?

        • Newiga

          It’s the stuff of Stephen King’s nightmares, alright.

          • Rasha

            …it is now…..

        • Eivol Ekdal

          It features in the opening of The Three Stooges “Men in Black”
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FxyrcTahe8

          • Newiga

            The golden days. Before someone painted her blue and slapped an ugly Scamatology sign on her face.

          • daisy

            How cool , Dr. Graves , tee hee. It looked so much more normal without the creepy blue and Oh the scientology.

          • Rasha

            How in Xenu’s name did you know that….. much less have a clip handy….. *pours another*

            • MarcabExpat

              Three Stooges scholars are a special breed.

    • Someone should shoop in a giant 1984 sign in place of Scientology sign.

      • Rasha

        Someone should project Big Brother on it from a hard-to-find location.

        …or drone….

    • TheMirrorThetan

      So ugly and looks like an old, haunted Lunatic Asylum.
      And who’s brilliant idea was it to paint it that yucky blue colour.

  • Eliza Doolittle

    News like this plays merry hell with my blood pressure.

    • LongtimeLurker

      But on the other hand…
      .
      .
      .
      …nope. I got nothin’…

  • Imelda Marcos

    “The bill would fund $6.3 billion in hand-outs to special interest groups – all at the expense of the taxpayer: YOU.”

    “We think your tax dollars would be better spent by giving them to US.”

  • J. Swift

    L. Ron Hubbard decreed that Scientology would not treat the insane. Hubbard also decreed that any person with a history of psychiatric treatment is an “illegal pc” and so cannot receive Scientology services. Therefore, why does CCHR bother opposing Psychiatry when Scientology itself cannot and will not treat those with mental afflictions or the insane?

    This Catch 22 leaves Scientology in an untenable position of opposing Psychiatry while not offering any alternative. This is like opposing global warming by saying “We oppose global warming but can’t do anything about it except complain” and leaving it at that.

    Further, by opposing Deep Brain Stimulant (DBS) devices, Scientology, via CCHR, is being pulled into acknowledging neurobiology and the primacy of the brain. This is a very slippery slope for CCHR. From a Scientology perspective, CCHR’s recognition of DBS is a “technical degrade” as it diminishes the centrality of Hubbard’s view of the brain as an unimportant “rattletrap”, a sort of switchboard that merely, and only, routes nerve impulses and has no bearing on the thetan. Hubbard on the brain from the Scn Tech Dictionary:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a036028b5fb51a7dae19af5604709b8574150c02f665a3efb0d6bacaf408f4d6.png

    If the brain were as unimportant as Hubbard stated; if Scientology views the brain as nothing more than a piece of meat that acts as a switchboard; and given Scientology’s refusal to treat people who have a psychiatric history, then the DBS should not matter to CCHR.

    • Frodis73

      There you go with all that logic again, now their heads will explode.

    • Eivol Ekdal
      • J. Swift

        Lost Felix the magickal cat….

    • Rasha

      Yeah… but other than all that……

      Seriously, they really don’t know their own scripture, and, because of one of the fundamental EPs of Scientology – DoubleThink – they can flit around it without dealing with the reason and “calculations” that Hubbard ostensibly was so enamored with.

      • J. Swift

        Rasha, it gets even worse. CCHR has a dialogue with the “Psychiatric Survivors” groups, i.e. non-Scientologists who feel they were harmed by Psychiatry. CCHR harvests their horror stories, and even their pseudoscience, for its benefit and gives nothing in return. This is why CCHR can rip off Danielle Egan’s work without either compensating her or asking her to review CCHR’s use of her work for accuracy.

        Scientology is anti-Psychiatry, anti-vaccination, anti-Science, and anti-intellectual. Perhaps the only exception to Scientology’s anti-Science is Big Pharma Billionaire Bob Duggan who knows his way around both molecules and money.

        Grant Cardone is seen here blathering on about Scientology, God, Jesus, being a millionaire, and why he hates Psych drugs:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huESDY2ly4A

        • daisy

          How is it fair that this man has shared DNA with anything other than his right hand. I viscerally loathe him more than almost anyone. Not sure why , he is one of many idiots.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            While watching ‘Enlighten Us”, Ray reminded me of Cardone.

            • daisy

              yes, he had that same oiliness

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              And Cardone is more manic, like he is coked up all the time.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Yea, nailed it!

          • LongtimeLurker

            Holy crap, that first sentence was vicious.

            I’m proud of you.

          • iampissed

            He’s left handed.

        • madame duran

          Boo on Grant for using his daughter as a prop to promote himself.
          Bless the little girl (can she be rescued?) for bringing Scientology up at the most inconvenient moment. Now Grant has to explain his idiocy to his viewers (read the screen comments. Some people were questioning him on it. Lord…have these people watched “Going Clear” or Leah Remini’s docuseries yet??).
          I’ll tell you what the travesty is, Cardone: that America doesn’t have universal health care. Oh, there’s another travesty…that your mouth doesn’t have a muzzle.

    • Intergalactic Walrus
      • Rasha

        SsshhhhBAP!

      • TheMirrorThetan

        What did Hubbturd EVER know about Sanity, Honesty or Truth.
        He never had even a passing acquaintance with any of them.
        The liver-lipped, bloated, rotten mouthed fart.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Or, if folks like you would kindly refrain from pointing out all these logically inconsistent positions, we could just get on with our fund-raising efforts and funneling cash back to $cn, thank you very much!

      Besides, everyone who knows the real history of this Evil Psych conspiracy knows that our one true hope lies with $cn! And to say that Ron didn’t have a plan for dealing with the mentally ill is just preposterous. His Final Solution plan called for the elimination of everyone who was at 1.1 on the tone scale or below!

      I sure wish they’d let us talk about Ron’s plan for achieving a healthier race, because I’m getting sick and tired of not having a comeback when folks raised the objection that we have no viable alternative to offer…we DO, it’s just not being mentioned for some strange reason!

    • ze moo

      To be a $cientologist is to put on blinders. If the clams ever see the fallacy, they go out the door. Why can’t clams explain how and why anti-depressants and Clozapine work? Because that would violate the dikta Lronicus and no one disses the guru. I have seen what Clozapine can do for schizophrenics. It works for those who can take the side effects. It actually cures schizophrenia.

      But to admit that the human body is just a collection of chemicals would violate the ‘theta based’ electronic mythology that Lron espoused.

      Actual mental health professionals either don’t know about the CCHR or they ignore it. The CCHR is gobulating pustule on the ass of the world.

  • downtherabbithole

    On a happier note, we got snow today up here in the north country! Sadly it melted by late afternoon.

    At any rate, me and the all the ladies friends are having a holiday dinner at my home on Saturday and then going to concert. If anyone has some good recipes for “festive beverages” I would love to hear your ideas.

    • Scream Nevermore

      Mulled cider? 1litre of cloudy cider
      Half litre of ginger beer
      1 orange
      Handful of cloves
      Couple of cinnamon sticks
      Splash of maple syrup (or honey)
      Sloe gin or spiced rum (optional)

      Stab a few holes into the orange (use a skewer or a pencil) and poke the cloves in. Pop into the bottom of a large saucepan, pour over your cider, ginger beer, add your cinnamon sticks and splash of syrup. Put the lid on and bring to the boil. Once it’s boiled, turn the heat off, add a measure or two of sloe gin (or rum). Pour into a jug, orange ‘n’ all. Drink!

      • downtherabbithole

        This sounds good – never had this. Thank you Scream

      • Rasha

        …woah. Cool.

        eta… Sloe gin or spiced rum (optional) … LOL “optional”… you so silly….

    • daisy

      It is my firm belief that ALL drinks are festive. Rum and eggnog a classic for a reason.

      • downtherabbithole

        Daisy give me a good martini & I am one happy gal!

      • ExCult.Jan

        Nat should make a festive hat for you…. hint….. hint…..

        • daisy

          She already has . I just have to figure out how to get it on my avi. If you look closely there already is mistletoe on the black one from last yr

          • ExCult.Jan

            Well, so there is! Maybe I stop after I finish this eggnog.

            • Rasha

              There is always one more eggnog. *_^

            • ExCult.Jan

              I said maybe.

            • Rasha

              XD That’s the spirit!!! ^_^

          • LongtimeLurker

            Remind me in an email, and I’ll do you a quick diagram for changing your avatar.

            …if you want… ; )

            • daisy

              yes please my computer friend away.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Easy peasy!

    • ExCult.Jan

      Mulled wine.

      • Rasha

        Lookin’ stylish, there! ^_^

        • ExCult.Jan

          Thanks to Nat!

        • ExCult.Jan

          You, too!

    • Robert Eckert
      • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

        omg….right?!??!

      • Rasha

        Rasha’s one, too. All about tactile air.

      • MarcabExpat

        I’m on my next to last day staying in Michigan and of course NOW it started snowing. Now that I’m packing to head back home to humidity and steering wheels that burn your hand.

        • Robert Eckert

          Snow is distinctly overrated.

  • It’s no good—had to do it—otherwise I was going to burst…

    Before Jakub Jędrzej Stępniak, that steroid-stuffed z-list zero-talent tone-deaf pillar of epicene mother-love, makes any more stupid career-decisions like throwing his lot in with Shortarse and his gruesome crew, he really ought to change his stage-name from ‘Kuba Ka’: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c63461dacab62d209f1d1a79710e94c4895e8613ff132a5a4c8a2fbabe216bb6.jpg

    • flyonthewall

      i just tweeted this to him n all his fake followers

    • ze moo

      Some people just like to wear diapers. I am not one of them. They are not a fashion statement, not after you get above 3 years old anyway.

      • Wearing incontinence-pants should work better than a six-pack at distracting attention from his singularly unlovable face…

    • FredEX2

      Oh please let him be a Scientologist. Puleeeeze! What a fine representative he would be for the Cherch.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Absolutely! There are a lot of signs and portents that $cn has jumped the couch, but one of the more telling ones will be when the the cult can’t get anyone except for folks like Kuba, Joy and Chill E. Beings to headline their annual gala events, such as the upcoming New Year’s celebration/crush rege event.

        The trouble with hitching your star to the fame train in Hollywood is that while real celebs do promote your brand, when you can no longer lure them into the cult their absence conveys your image as a loser just as clearly. And trotting Z-listers to start fronting for the cult is just an embarrassment no matter how many breast plate rockets Kuba fires off;)

  • flyonthewall

    SEASON FINALE OF WESTWORLD IN 15MIN!!

    • Observer

      Two hours and 15 minutes. Well, two hours and 7 minutes now.

      • anonsparrow

        It took you eight minutes to write that?

        That’s cool though.

        • Observer

          lol

      • LongtimeLurker

        Please be quiet, hemisphere that gets the good TV first.

        • Rasha

          *shuts up about the latest episodes of Drifters and Occultic;Nine*….. I assume you’ve already seen Angel Beats!, so you know about the link between Otonashi and Kanade. Ditto for Stein’s;Gate.

          …..This is too hard. Let’s just assume spoilers, shall we?

          • LongtimeLurker

            Just….grrrrrr….

      • flyonthewall

        god damn it. I got mixed up on the hbo website and went and ordered the pizza and everything now I have to wait an hour and a half almost

        • Rasha

          ….. gonna eat that?

          • flyonthewall

            🙁

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Is that supposed to be Miscavige in the upper left? :O
    (refresh)

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BNnMdzshCzh/?tagged=churchofscientology

    • anonsparrow

      They Live.

    • Rasha

      El Santo! No! …oh, wait. It’s not a silver mask. Whew. Carry on.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Love it! Is it untitled or shall we call it “Thetan’s Folly”?

  • downtherabbithole

    I want a holiday avie but with Alice falling down the rabbit hole with her ass up in the air and arms fanning about what is a gal to do? Nat can you help???

  • ExCult.Jan

    OT Tech question: Somebody please tell me there’s a setting somewhere that I can change so that when I click a link at The Bunker it will open in a new tab instead of hijacking the entire comments section so that when I come back I have to click a gazillion times to find wherever I left off? I have Mozilla Firefox, but this doesn’t happen from other sites, just from The Bunker, as far as I’ve noticed. Is it a disqus thing?

    • Panopea Abrupta

      When you place your cursor on a link, DON’T open the link.
      Copy it and paste it into a new tab.
      Keeps your Bunker undisturbed 🙂

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3c07163a031b9bc054d0b74cd273f18bb179c7465c0dc142913ee6dc827aa108.jpg

      • ExCult.Jan

        I only click when that doesn’t work, which seems to be most of the time.

    • Rasha

      Right click it and choose “Open in a new Tab” or “Open in a new window”.

      • ExCult.Jan

        Duh, I’ve seen that up there a million times when I right click to do other stuff. Thanks!!

    • Frodis73

      U can change that in your settings….under options. Or you can right click and choose to open in new tab.

      • ExCult.Jan

        Setting works everywhere but here. Weird.

    • hold down Ctrl key when you click the link

      • ExCult.Jan

        YESSS! Thanks, Dice!
        Now, how did you turn red? I’m feeling very un-festive.

        • Kestrel

          Nat-lificent made me festive. All I had to do was ask.

          • ExCult.Jan

            Cute Kap!

            • Kestrel

              …and a candy cane!

        • I have a little collection of Dices i found lying around on the Webz, i am not all that creative when it comes to Dices… so i steal with my arms and legs. Today i was lucky, to wake up to a new and better red Dice from OOkpik.

          • ExCult.Jan

            And Nat gave me this holiday makeover. 🙂

      • OOkpik

        Oh, Dice. I’m so glad you found a red die. I fumbled around forever trying to get the print off a stock photo with my extremely limited knowledge of image manipulation techniques. It was just a stocking stuffer to show my appreciation for the help and entertainment you provide.

        Now you have two, I guess. I hope the thought really does count. <3
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e3a8539e2b6ed8aa6aa2753f764b6deb49ea5b511db2521d3b51a4a37af03f2e.jpg

        • LongtimeLurker

          What a lovely owl!

        • WOW! Thank you 🙂 I know about stock photos and Dices ..lol.. they are not easy to find, but i do have some to chose from and the main criteria is the 666 he he. Now this one, you have found here, i have not seen before and i will treasure it. This thought really DO count 🙂

    • LongtimeLurker

      That’s a life thing.

      If you right click (control click in Mac) that will give you a drop down Firefox menu. The top option is “open Link In New Tab”

      There’s an even shorter shortcut that just opens it without asking.

      I’m blanking, remind me later.

      • ExCult.Jan

        A life thing! Ha.

    • Mymy88

      Chrome = it happens. Gets on my last friggin nerve.

  • anonsparrow

    Thank you Tony for this forum where one can say swear words if they want to.

    I know everyone doesn’t share the same world views here but it feels real good to be able to swear without being censored – real good.

    Thanks man.

  • daisy

    Paul Ryan on 60 min. I am going to try to stomach him. I may give up.

    • Frodis73

      I wanted to punch him in his smug face. I was yelling at the tv and everything. Watch it tho if you want to know what they are up…other than killing the country/world that is.

      • daisy

        I know , With LRH and DM it doesn*t matter if I know what they say. This idiot affects world politics. He is a pussy.

        • Frodis73

          I love you Daisy! Lol, you always make me laugh.

          • daisy

            Back at ya Frodis, Tell me are you going to decorate avipuppy this year and then leave your X-mas avatar all year round like the white trash we are. ?

            • Frodis73

              Lmao. actually it is on the other laptop so somebody will have to make me another one.

            • LongtimeLurker

              On it.

    • LongtimeLurker

      * “The reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand.”

      (This is like saying he got into psychiatry because he thought it needed more Tom Cruise)

      * “Social Security is a Ponzi scheme”

      (Misunderstands both Social Security and Ponzi schemes)

      I had another 5 examples of Ryan’s idiocy here, but you get the idea…

      • daisy

        John Oliver does a bit called How is this still a thing. He does one on Ayn Rand . It was on you tube.

        • LongtimeLurker

          OMG! Thank you.

          And yes…how is she still a thing? It’s ludicrous.

          • Frodis73

            Oh yeah, that one is so great.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • iampissed

      What happened to Ladies first.

    • Kestrel

      Wouldn’t the Ideal Org in Colombia be more appropriate?

    • LongtimeLurker

      1 – what are the numbers?

      2 – why is the Tampa org’s symbol a golden middle finger?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        1 – Number of people on staff. They are trying to get a certain number to go Saint Hill size

        2 – I think you already know that 😉

  • anonsparrow

    I think free speech is being taken away in slow motion and noone sees it happening before their very eyes.

    • anonsparrow

      Because Russia fake news and for our own good, of course. Thanks Trumbama.

    • daisy

      Oh I agree , your candidate often promotes violence to those who oppose him and says so.

      • anonsparrow

        Yep.. my candidate.

        • daisy

          You did vote for him didn*t you ? or am i misremembering , it happens . If not i apoligize.

          • LongtimeLurker

            No, worse than that. He supports Trump, but didn’t actually vote, iirc.

            Correct me if I’m wrong, Sparrow.

            Or have you blocked me from the last time I thrashed you in an argument you started with some idiotic comment?

            • daisy

              He is acting extra weird today.

            • ExCult.Jan

              Ignore Tech.

            • LongtimeLurker

              That’s being too nice, imho.

              There’s a nasty undercurrent when he’s like this.

            • iampissed

              Needs a Snickers…maybe he can afford a share size and give Dave half.

            • TheMirrorThetan

              Needs a snickers all right. With a valium or two stuffed inside.

            • LongtimeLurker

              When everyone in the room says you’re drunk, it’s time to lie down.

            • ZlogonjeAgain

              u r putz putz

            • LongtimeLurker

              anonsparrow sock? is that you?

              Idiot.

            • ZlogonjeAgain

              u r putz

            • iampissed

              There coming out kids.

      • Frodis73

        Yes and threatens our shitty press…it will only get worse.
        eta-our!!

        • anonsparrow

          That’s why I love Tony’s blog.

          One can swear, one can like Trump or Hillary, one can speak their mind.

          That’s getting hard to come by these days.

          • Frodis73

            Enjoy it, cos if Trump gets his way this site and many others will not exist anymore.

            • anonsparrow

              You do realize that Hillary threatened to take out Breitbart News and Drudge Report.

              Trump will do it too but at least he hasn’t’ said so yet.

            • Robert Eckert

              Citation needed.

            • Frodis73

              Link? Video? Source? Anything..?

          • anonsparrow

            Speak your mind or no?

            • anonsparrow

              Of course, don’t speak your mind.. too busy looking behind your shoulder.

              total wimp

  • PickAnotherID

    Hi again. Dad says much celebrating today because the Army says it’s not going to issue something to allow construction to continue. Something about looking at other routes instead. Some folks pulling out of Standing Rock tomorrow, but Dad and a bunch of others are staying for a while longer. They are concerned it may be some kind of trick to get everyone to leave, then come in behind them and finish the construction.

    More snow coming tomorrow, so I was kind of hoping he would leave with the folks pulling out today. But he can out stubborn a mule when he sets his mind to it. So I guess he’ll be staying a bit longer.

    Pickanotherid’s Daughter

    • iampissed

      Glad he is doing ok….and probably having fun.

    • daisy

      We were so happy he can come home earlier.

    • anonsparrow

      Hi Pick are you saying your dad is a protester at the pipeline?

      • PickAnotherID

        Pickanotherid is my Dad. And yes, he went out to North Dakota Friday, and got to the vet’s camp at the pipeline protest yesterday.

        Pickanotherid’s Daughter

        • Kestrel

          Huge respect to your Dad, and thank you for the updates.

          • PickAnotherID

            You’re welcome. Have to go now, and didn’t mean to start a fight about ‘fake news’ with my update.

            Pickanotherid’s Daughter

            • iampissed

              You didn’t…don’t worry about it you have better to do.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Don’t worry about that hon. We know what he’s up to and we’re very proud of what he’s doing. ; )

            • Frodis73

              It wasn’t you, do not worry about it at all!!!

      • anonsparrow

        Sorry I just re-read your post. That’s fucking awesome.

        So much “fake news” about that shit. Thank your Dad for me for keeping it going.

        Totally fucking awesome.

        • PickAnotherID

          That’s okay. I’m at his house making sure everything’s okay. He has his computer set up to automatically log in for this site, so he asked me to give a quick update while I was here.

          Pickanotherid’s Daughter

          • iampissed

            Smart Dad

          • grundoon

            Thanks for the update! Hope he is safe and warm.Looks like the govt backed down.

        • Frodis73

          No, there has not been “fake news” about that.

          • anonsparrow

            Oh?

          • anonsparrow

            Your statement seems kinda “final”. Any back-up or no?

            • Robert Eckert

              You are the one making an accusation. You are the one who would have the burden of backing up your claim.

            • Frodis73

              No, you show me some fake news about DAPL and we’ll talk. The whole “fake news” thing is about the election and Hillary. Do you read beyond the headlines?

          • anonsparrow

            No, riight?

            • iampissed

              Thats taunting

            • anonsparrow

              Yes.

            • iampissed

              Ok now I know…

            • iampissed

              Hey when is Trump going to prosecute Clinton?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Right after he makes Mexico pay for the wall.

            • anonsparrow

              One other person is typing.. it’s funny because i picture a person typing but keep looking behind him to his master to see if he approves of what he’s writing…

            • iampissed

              Your talking to yourself and about yourself….drops Mic!

            • anonsparrow

              compelling argument

            • anonsparrow

              One other person is typing… apparently a very long essay that will show me the error of my ways.

            • anonsparrow

              One other person is typing….

            • anonsparrow

              Here it comes..

            • anonsparrow

              Aw..

            • anonsparrow

              Lol! Here it comes… BRING IT!

            • anonsparrow

              Aw..

            • Frodis73

              No, it’s just you not knowing how disqus works.

            • iampissed

              Yep

            • anonsparrow

              Lol.. yep. I agree with that which I don’t know what is being said.

            • anonsparrow

              Ok how does it work?

            • anonsparrow

              I foresee you not finishing your comment.

            • anonsparrow

              Why stand on a silent platform..

            • Frodis73

              iampissed answered why/how 2 posts above you, I am not repeating.

            • LongtimeLurker

              How does it work?

              Much better without you ruining it for everyone else.

            • iampissed

              OK last post on the subject…..let me tell you about Disqus.
              I’ve come to notice that sometime (Quite Often) I get a ” someone is typing ”
              I believe it’s in the Disqus code and quite often there is no reply.

            • TheMirrorThetan

              Happens to me all the time. It seems to stick or something. Disqus is often a dick like that.

            • anonsparrow

              What are you typing? Your nonsense fake news is understood here.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Jebus this guy.

            Fake news – except when it’s about Hillary’s “kill count.”

            Seatbelts are a government plot to oppress him…

            Get a grip.

            • iampissed

              Spacemen galore

      • nottrue

        Hi.. Thanks for all that great work you do fighting scientology…Your protest videos are classic

        • Frodis73

          ICWYDT.

          • iampissed

            Thanks Frodis….had to look that one up. Really thanks.

            • Frodis73

              I have to do that quite a bit here. 🙂

    • respect

    • ExCult.Jan

      It gonna be cold. Hope there are warm shelters for all the courageous folks taking a stand, including your dad.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Please send him our love. Thanks for the update. ❤️

    • madame duran

      Ask him how he’s gonna watch Leah Remini’s docuseries on Scientology (Part 2) this Tuesday on A&E.
      (Although you can watch it for him and then give him updates)
      Hope he stays warm and stays safe.

      • iampissed

        DVR’s be good.

    • chukicita

      Thank you for the update! So excited about this!! A thousand thanks to PickAnotherID for dedicated representation. It only happens when we all work together.

      • iampissed

        How did the gig go?

        • chukicita

          Way cool. I posted about it here this morning. Imagine a sing-along, with a patio full of unshy people singing the words to House of the Rising Sun to the tune of Jingle Bells, but changing the last line to “don’t spend your life in pain and misery in the House of Scientology.” They had a nice PA, too. I am certain you could hear it from the org.

          • iampissed

            NICE…..YOU ROCK!

            • chukicita

              There may be video. I’ll find out tomorrow.

            • iampissed

              Would love to see it…A1 here.

  • iampissed

    Troll

    • iampissed

      Blocked

      • Liberated

        Just got here….who’s a troll?

        • iampissed

          Anonwhatever

          • LongtimeLurker

            anonselfworthissues

            • MarcabExpat

              anonsignaltonoiseratio

            • iampissed

              S/N ratio……love it.

        • iampissed

          I hate to get involved in those sorts of things, but when you post a reply
          and then in 5 seconds come back and say well…welll….well. It feels like the school bully.
          And I’m with Leah on that one….I don’t suffer fools gladly.

          • Liberated

            I blocked that character a long time ago.

            • Ella Raitch

              How big is your blocked list L?

            • Liberated

              A few, why do you ask?

            • Ella Raitch

              Just wondering since I have seen you mention a few people you blocked. I’m up to 4

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’m proudly / gutlessly / confusedly on 1.

              I’m thinking of making it 2, tonight.

            • ExCult.Jan

              Wimp. I’ve got 10. 😉

              Edit: add *winking smiley*

            • LongtimeLurker

              HA!

            • LongtimeLurker

              I saw that smiley in my mind anyway, but thank you. ; P

            • Ella Raitch

              2 of those aren’t really trolls but were people posting exclusively about Trump and I got past the point of being able to deal…I will unblock them shortly xx

            • LongtimeLurker

              My one is a very infrequent poster, who cropped up late on election night and went up and down the threads taunting people who were upset (and making up shit about Obama).

              He replied exclusively to women.

              He made the same amount of posts in an hour as he does in a normal week.

              I called him on it (oops – accidental SJW, white-knighting. So NOT me) and we went back and forth for almost 3 days, with his replies devolving further and further until he was basically just saying “nuh-uh, I won.”

              I enjoy seeing my choice validated when I see “this user is blocked” followed by no responses ever.

              Unless it’s like today, where someone said “You’re racist”. lol

              ———————-

              Hey Bob Crouch, you’re still a coward, a bully and a misogynist.

              And I’m still NOT the comment police, just a guy expressing his opinion, like you.

            • Liberated

              A few more than 4.
              Whenever I see them come back, they seem to pick fights with everyone and I always say to myself ” gee…I’m glad I’m not part of that crazy”

              Some people are only happy when they piss off everyone around them.
              To hell with ’em….I don’t need it.

            • iampissed

              Well I’m slow.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Yep, I’m out. Night all. XOXOX

      • iampissed

        Night NOLA

    • chukicita

      *plonk*

  • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)
    • LongtimeLurker

      lol

  • anonsparrow

    Oh hai bunker. Ever see Take Shelter? Awesome movie.

    • nottrue

      Awesome ending…… Great movie

    • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

      I haven’t gotten to that one yet. I just wateched Whitegirl…O…..M……G.

  • anonsparrow

    Loving life that I can say fuck you, not wear a seatbelt, and say hello to someone.

    Fuck you government. What about that sucker?

    • anonsparrow

      One other person is typing… fake news..

      • anonsparrow

        Hey can you send me a text when you’re done with your message?

        K thx.

    • anonsparrow

      John Podesta?

      • anonsparrow

        No it’s cool, I’m cooking up some kid spit, cunt juice and nipple drippings..

        Should be good.

        • anonsparrow

          Aw all quiet now..

          • anonsparrow

            yeah that’s right.. shut the fuck up.. hehe

        • anonsparrow

          Yes you have nothing.. count it.

    • anonsparrow

      I have to say I’m realing loving that swearing shit. Shit. Fuck.Cunt.

  • Observer

    It’s starting now, fly!

    • Frodis73

      In protest of those of you watching the finale I am going to go watch some ST:TNG.

      • iampissed

        Stop that.

        • iampissed

          I see a little spaceman….LOL

          • iampissed

            Spacemen like bunnies multiply quick.

      • There there! Put the headphones on, and relax.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffTF9ZOjAxU

        • ExCult.Jan

          Ha! My cat (always curled up near my laptop exhaust when it’s on) is very confused right now. Both ears going 180 degrees.

  • nottrue
    • anonsparrow

      Touche

  • anonsparrow

    The teacher stands in front of the class. but the lesson plan he can’t recall……

    • Hey bud. How is everything?

      • anonsparrow

        Like besides the end of the world? Not bad..

        • The world will be fine for a long time. What are you up to these days? Any creative projects?

        • anonsparrow

          Loving life over here.. I can swear can’t I? Yes!!!!

    • anonsparrow

      20/20 vision

  • chukicita

    I am normally not a violent one. But today’s story makes me want to take a red Sharpie and circle “irony” and “hypocrite” and a few other words in the Oxford English Dictionary and heave that big, heavy book at DM’s head.

  • anonsparrow

    Turn on the radio, nah fuck it…

  • anonsparrow

    Whatever you do, do NOT look up what a petro dollar is. Don’t fucking do it….

  • Observer

    Anyone else cheering right about now?

    • I’m sure I will be in about 2hrs once I’ve seen it

    • Jimmy3

      I wroud bummy mourf is cimmanim roll

      • MarcabExpat

        I told you not to eat any until they came out of the oven

      • iampissed

        You are funny.

        • Jimmy3

          You are pissed.

          • iampissed

            No, I am Goot

    • Ella Raitch

      Westworld?

      • MarcabExpat

        Actual news, believe it or not.

        [ETA: never mind, my fault for actually looking at the news , here in late 2016.]

      • Observer

        Yup

        • Ella Raitch

          OOooweee – I’ll be watching in about 5 and a half hours

    • iampissed

      What Hillary won in a recount….who knew!

    • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

      Finished it yesterday! Sooooooo good.

    • flyonthewall

      freakin crazy

      • Observer

        Nuts. Be interesting to see what they do with season 2.

        • Ella Raitch

          So many highlights, it’s hard to know where to start…

    • Ella Raitch

      I am now! Poor Teddy still trying to figure out what’s going on…

  • Rasha

    ‘Night, Bunks. O/T, Hoping certain rumors at work are overstated. Will find out in the next few weeks. Many of us will.

    • Observer

      Yikes. 🙁

    • daisy

      Night Rashie, hope work works out the way you want .

      • Rasha

        Hugz, Daisy. I’m not optimistic about it, but it’s a crap shoot when the boss’s boss’s boss demands that your boss’s boss demands that your boss makes the numbers right.

        • iampissed

          Didn’t know you were on Staff.

          • Rasha

            LOL!!!!

        • daisy

          Oh I am sorry, that is so upsetting and nerve racking. Christmas is a lousy time to find out too.

          • Rasha

            *pours another one* MORE MUSIC!!!

        • iampissed

          Feel for ya…it rolls downhill. Sucks around Xmas.

    • MarcabExpat

      Oof, been there, rooting for ya.

      • Rasha

        Thanks, Expat. I’ve been there a few times meself, but it’s still gut-wrenching, even if you know it might be coming. Anyhoo, it’s time to spend with loved ones. And that’s what Rasha will be doing. Lovin’ life. ShhhhBAP!

    • iampissed

      Stay under the radar if ya can…been there.

      • Rasha

        Hehe! That’s the plan. Being at the bottom of the food chain is tough, though. Still, anonymity makes for good camouflage… ^_^

        • iampissed

          Yes

    • FredEX2

      I must be out of the loop. What might be overstated?…if it’s not too impolite to ask?

      • iampissed

        Down thread

        • FredEX2

          Ok. I’ll see if I can find it.

      • Rasha

        Oh, no loop. I just heard of possible massive layoffs in the next few weeks at work. Gonna self-medicate to get some sleep… ^_^

        • iampissed

          What she said

        • iampissed

          Trump will take care of that.
          ETA: Don’t you worry your pretty little head and watch your neither regions.

          • daisy

            No sleep , he already has. Self -medicate every night since the election

          • Rasha

            He’s buyin’?

            • iampissed

              He’s bribing

            • iampissed

              Where is my spaceman

        • FredEX2

          Oh no Rasha. Why do they always do this stuff just before Christmas? Dang. I’m sorry. ~Hoping things turn out ok. 😘

    • Jimmy3

      You could always work for me at my factory
      We make horse sculptures out of glue

      • Rasha

        Oddly poetic. Like making Dian Fossey busts out of Gorilla Glue?

      • LongtimeLurker

        I feel like there’s either a step missing from that process or it has one step too many.

        • Rasha

          I think it’s the M.C. Escher Factory.

      • iampissed

        Dox

    • LongtimeLurker

      What! Noes!

      • Rasha

        Might happen. I have a source.

        • daisy

          Let us know

          • Rasha

            Oh, jeepers, I know I ain’t the only one who’s gone though it enough times. Just hope it works out ok for me this time.

            • iampissed

              Time to head for bed.

    • Juicer77

      Sorry to hear. Crossing my fingers for you.

  • Boy, I thought I could come over here and see vigorous discussion of Lil Tommy Cruise demonstrating his motorcycle riding and scared looks and running skills in the new The Mummy trailer, but oh noooo…

    • iampissed

      It’s coming…10 second clip reviews have been having people say they miss
      Brandon Frazier. Ouch

      • Saw some of those! LMAO

      • Juicer77

        My two cents – I loved the first Frazier/Weisz remake of The Mummy. It had a really cute 20’s throwback feel to it. John Hannah as the brother was HILARIOUS. His comic timing and line delivery is amazing. It’s a cute, visually interesting movie full of complete inaccuracies re: ancient Egyptian beliefs and practices. But I liked it. 🙂
        ETA: and I loved the soundtrack, too. Actually bought it.

    • Ella Raitch

      Does he do his own stunts?

      • His stunt double David Miscavige does them.

  • LongtimeLurker

    Hey, anonsparrow or ZlogonjeAgain or whichever sock you’re currently logged in as…

    Things people on The Bunker did today

    1 – PickAnotherID, a man in his 70s with major health issues travelled hundreds of miles to stand side by side with protesters for a cause that doesn’t directly affect him.

    2 – PickAnotherID’s daughter, with a life of her own and raising a family, went out of her way to keep his Bunker friends informed of his wellbeing.

    3 – Lois Reisdorf posted another instalment (at Rinder’s blog) of her personal and traumatic story.

    4 – A commenter here shared their personal story about battling depression.

    5 – Another commenter did the same

    6 – ditto

    7 – ditto

    8 – ditto

    9 – ditto

    10 – ditto

    ——————

    Things anonsparrow did today.

    1 – You insulted PickAnotherID.

    2 – You insulted PickAnotherID’s daughter AND made her feel guilty about the “fake news” BS you started.

    3 – You insulted Lois Reisdorf with an ill-judged and not even remotely funny attempt at humor.

    4 – You insulted, shamed and dismissed commenter 4 by saying they should “just smile their way through depression” (paraphrased).

    5 – You insulted, shamed and dismissed commenter 5 with the same “advice”.

    6 – 10 – Ditto for commenters 6 through 10

    SIDEBAR
    Spouting “just smile” nonsense to a depressed person
    with the caveat “I’m not a doctor” doesn’t wash with us
    adults.

    You don’t need a degree. Or any schooling
    actually. You could have skimmed the goddam
    Wikipedia page on depression and it would have told
    you how wrong you are.

    Except you don’t use Wikipedia do you? Because it’s
    some kind of matriarchal, liberal plot, right?

    Well you chose that path, so it’s on you when your
    ignorance births a wave of angry responses.

    ——————

    11 – You called people cowards and claimed they’re “checking with their master” before replying to you…

    And then you fire up your sock ZlogonjeAgain specifically to insult me, rather than responding or arguing directly.

    If that’s not cowardice I don’t know what is.

    I hope you’re drunk or a 12 year old, because if you did that as a sober adult and thought I wouldn’t realise, I think there’s a chance you might be developmentally challenged.

    ——————

    Protip – seatbelts don’t exist to oppress your freedumbz.

    They exist so that overworked city employees don’t have to scrape your useless carcass off the road when you get launched through your windscreen.

    But you don’t actually care about the messes you make, do you?

    ——————

    Protip 2 – People who are actually “loving life” rarely communicate in the angry, abusive, disjointed and directionless way you displayed here today.

    You’re not fooling me. Are you fooling you?

    ——————

    In Closing
    This is not the nicest (or most ethical) thing to do, but I’m truly not doing it to be nasty.

    Stop trying to smile your way through your life.

    Imho, your tirades have a very strong flavor of the manic phase of bipolar disorder.
    (I am not a doctor. But I know more about this than you. A lot more.)

    It’s clear you think you’re above most “normal” concerns, but you should seriously consider talking to a health professional about the emotional cycles you so obviously experience and display here.

    However, if I’m off the mark and this is just something you do in The Bunker and not IRL, then you’re simply an unpleasant person and you should ignore my medical suggestion, because there’s no cure for that.

    ——————

    Addendum

    Yeah, I know who you used to be.

    I don’t care.

    Because you’re not that person anymore, and who you are now is pissing all over that legacy AND the decent people here (none of whom are your enemy).

    • ExCult.Jan

      *standing O*

    • iampissed
    • iampissed

      Don’t forget the wombats….I think they are really pissed.

    • iampissed

      So well written…thank you brother.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Thank you.

        Undoubtedly harsher than it needed to be, but it is what it is.

        • daisy

          You are so great. I think you may have written a thing or two .

          • LongtimeLurker

            A few hundred words, here or there.

            Sometimes people even gave me money for it.

            • daisy

              I love great writing. In all my professions ( mainly observation and objective reporting ) it is best to have an economy of words. I remember telling a young student pus is pus, color and smell only.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Wait, you’ve written / taught writing (or English)? Or do I have a misunderstood?

              I prefer economy too, but for me that takes several rewrites, and while I do rewrite my comments – after a few passes, you know, real life and stuff, so I stop.

              Need to cut down my rants, that’s for sure.

        • ExCult.Jan

          Or, maybe just enough to get through.

        • iampissed

          When I was about 14 I had a boss that came up to me and gave me a deodorant.
          Said that I needed to use it. It was harsh but true…I thank her for it.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Oh man…I’ve been that boss!

            In the video game industry.

            I was very polite and discreet though.

            Well done you, for taking it on board.

            • iampissed

              Funny thing is as my son turned about 14 or so I use to walk into his room
              and said my god it smells like boy in here…I think he got the point.
              And it was like going back in time for me.

            • LongtimeLurker

              You handed down your hard-earned wisdom! : )

            • iampissed

              Thank you sir

    • daisy

      Anonsparrow the main take away from LL accurate post is you are posting like you may be ill. I hope that if you are not under some kind of medication tonight perhaps you could discuss this with your Dr. You are a little scattered .It is a rough time of year for some of us, but there is help , just ask.it is easier than alienating well meaning strangers.

      • iampissed

        True nuf

      • LongtimeLurker

        Ahhh…crap…

        Daisy reminds Lurker what class is (in a really classy way).

        And that Lurker should have put aside his venting and snark for a few minutes.

        Well done, Daisy.

        My bad. That’s on me.

        • iampissed

          No…no..you were right on. Daisy is to.

        • iampissed

          If you read it twice and hit send….well done

        • daisy

          You could never be bad. I have just had experience being a bitch on wheels during the holidays.

        • ExCult.Jan

          LL, hopefully, you increased the chances he will hear Daisy.

        • daisy

          I take a lot of pills to be this * stifling a belly laugh * classy.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Oh, I hear that.

            “I can’t even” … what my original comment would have been like if I wasn’t heavily medicated.

            lol

    • Jimmy3

      Things I did today: showed a teenager what a newspaper is. Wish i was kidding.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Oh.

        Oh god. You poor man.

        I would have included that had I known.

        Relative? Employee? Wandering hipster?

        • Jimmy3

          Delphian student

          • Ella Raitch

            So not only his first newspaper, but entheta as well!

          • LongtimeLurker

            REALLY?

            • Jimmy3

              I don’t know, probably. It’s a fair guess at least.

      • Ella Raitch

        Did he call you grampa?

        • LongtimeLurker

          OT
          Hey, can I ask you a super-embarrassing question about Westworld (not including the finale which I think we both haven’t seen)?

          • Ella Raitch

            Sure!

            • LongtimeLurker

              Okay thanks…when all the robots are nude should it make me feel funny?
              .
              .
              .
              I’m kidding.

              So you know “the theory” – everyone was talking about it for weeks on the internet and then apparently it was “proven” in last week’s episode.

              Was there a specific scene or moment that confirmed it? Because I can’t for the life of me work out why everyone is now saying “see, told you so!”

              I’m starting to wonder if I’m missing a scene.

            • Observer

              I didn’t see it coming either.

            • Jimmy3

              The hosts are soylent green. Knew it the whole time.

            • LongtimeLurker

              “You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!”

            • LongtimeLurker

              Oh..okay…so maybe just Internet nerds overstating things?

              I should have known better.

            • Ella Raitch

              Some people clearly watch in darkened rooms with big screens and then re-watch with the pause button/freeze frame….

            • LongtimeLurker

              Jerks…

              …although I’ve almost gone there…

            • Ella Raitch

              Yeah – no judgement from me. I sometimes wish I had nothing else to focus on in life except being clever.

            • LongtimeLurker

              We could all be clever if all we did was be clever.

            • Observer

              ??

              I was talking about the, er, “touching” scene between William and Delores. And I wasn’t overstating my reaction.

            • LongtimeLurker

              God no, not you…sorry.

              I misunderstood. I thought you were saying that the various articles I read might have been exaggerating the import or obviousness of the scene or scenes, which is why I missed it.

              And I was agreeing…with the statement you didn’t make. About overstating nerds. Which you are not one of. And I would never call you that.

              Do you know what I’m trying to say?

              In my defence I was reading Ella’s answers at the same time and probably conflated the answers.

              Also, I know I was an asshole yesterday, but I wouldn’t ever talk to you as dismissively as that appeared. But I can see why it looked that way.

              That’s a shit thing to think someone has said first thing in the morning, sorry.

            • Observer

              Oh, no, I took not the slightest offense. I thought you were underwhelmed by the finale and couldn’t understand why. lol

            • LongtimeLurker

              Thank god.

              No, I haven’t watched it yet.

              I wanted to work out if I’d missed anything in the previous episode first.

              I’m gonna watch it now.

              It probably won’t make me feel better about today’s Bunker article, I’m pretty sure.

            • Observer

              It actually might…it’s deeply satisfying

            • Ella Raitch

              You mean B=A

              ETA: last week spoilers….
              http://screenrant.com/westworld-who-is-arnold-bernard/

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yes, but also the whole “past / present” timelines thing.

              Like half of what we’ve seen Dolores go through is actually flashbacks, apparently…but there was no obvious sign of that, until last week…apparently.

            • Ella Raitch

              Most people are saying it is because of what she is wearing (blue dress vs shirt and trousers) and two different Westworld logos. If you are even more observant you can see things like the host who initially greeted William, helping him select his hat is now the host with Wyatt’s crew where Ed Harris is (and he mentioned ‘oh, haven’t seen you..or…so this is where you are now’ – this is what has people thinking William is the Black Hat guy – possibly tonight’s big reveal….?.
              I haven’t noticed most of these while watching, but by reading AV Club and similar sights after I watch an episode. When I watch TV I do so as a passenger and don’t really look for these things. Plus there are usually streaks of sunshine (I watch as soon as I get home and can’t wait until it gets dark) and peanut butter hands obscuring the picture and guitar solos providing competing sound in the house.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Peanut butter hands!

              Yeah, see I try to be a passenger too, but then people were talking as if there had been a big “reveal”, and I thought “oh, I missed something”.

              But now, like you said, I think it’s just a bunch of little things (all of which I missed, except the logo, but for some reason I didn’t think about that) that have added up.

              Thanks heaps!

              we found actual valid uses for the spoiler tag!

            • LongtimeLurker

              Will read. Thanks!

              It’s like it’s my first time on the internet / watching a complex show.

              Wotta noob.

            • daisy

              LOL funny ass. i do not follow Westwood are the robots male or female.?

            • Ella Raitch

              Both – Thandie Newton has clocked a lot of nekkid time

            • LongtimeLurker

              Both, and some of the male ones are hella hung.

              Which I personally applaud (also I picture some male SF fans being traumatised by it and lol).

            • daisy

              I have got to get HBO. The only problem is mom senses when I am really into a program she waits until the last 15 min. and then calls for help. She especially enjoys when I have put in most of a movie .

            • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

              Download the shows (not that I do that) and don’t forget to wear your Internet condom.

            • lol

            • LongtimeLurker

              And then beagle sarcastically snuggles with you, just to rub it in.

              You’re stuck in hell.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Anon Sparrow, You need attention or want to genuinely talk to someone about anything? Fine. The bunker is open 24/7. Be fucking civil. Don’t piss on or insult other posters. Especially visitors. Otherwise go talk to a shrink or Doc. I dont know what your problem is but take a damn break for your own health and happiness. FFS.

    • iampissed

      Yea funny I felt the same way….what happened. I enjoy good comment.
      But taunting!
      ETA that’s about the addendum

      • LongtimeLurker

        re your ETA – That wasn’t intended as only taunting (unlike the seatbelt thing, which pretty much was).

        A couple of weeks back I called him on some crap, and someone else popped up with “no, don’t you know who he is? Cut him some slack.” which I don’t personally agree with, and I also don’t think he should rely on that to protect him from consequences (although I don’t know for sure that he is relying on it).

        And I also do believe he’s damaging his reputation, at least with a few of the Bunker commenters

        But yes, I absolutely agree the whole thing could have had a better tone, and been much less adversarial.

        Totally.

    • Liberated

      Thanks LL.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Thanks for the thanks (seriously).

        …might need to up my meds, though…

        • Liberated

          You’re looking awfully sexy…Santa!

          • LongtimeLurker

            Lurker bringing heat for chilly holiday season!

            Winkety-wink.

    • 4chanpartyvan

      “Because you’re not that person anymore, and who you are now is pissing all over that legacy”
      I disagree that guy painted a huge target on his back and inspired many others to do the same,maybe he’s having a bad day or drunk like you say.
      Why not give the guy a pass and leave the long winded lectures and psedo-psychological profiling somewhere else today.

      • Robert Eckert

        This is not the only day he has been like this. He is a little worse today but has been nothing but pure asshole ever since he came back.

      • Jimmy3

        Long ass bad day

      • daisy

        If you are going to be an asshole , you have to be prepared to be called on it.

        • 4chanpartyvan

          But the other side to that is your feeding a troll,if he is trying to get a rise from this community.

          • daisy

            Yes we often feed trolls, It is up to the individual. Anonsparrow insulted a lot of people including vulnerable people.

            • 4chanpartyvan

              There is another possible reason that nobody has discussed and its a bit of a longshot.
              “Troll for a day” when a message board gets stale or views/comments drop one of the community takes on the mantle of troll for a day,bumping comments and creating interest because everybody loves a flame war.
              Not only have i seen this but have also put my hand up a few times(not here of course)
              Again purely speculation and not accusing him of this.
              But hey the more you know.

            • ExCult.Jan

              Um, The Bunker has NOT been stale and comments have been through the roof. See recently posted graphs. Your dox?

            • 4chanpartyvan

              well the stale thing is a matter of opinion.
              I did write longshot,speculation and not accusing.
              It was more of an educational post as some are not aware of this practice.

            • Nat-leficent

              You are being stupid trying to educate us about our comment board.

            • 4chanpartyvan

              Its a public board and i’ll post what i want,i dont want or need your approval.

            • LongtimeLurker

              This is exactly what you did last time I ripped you a new one.

              Got angry when people gave you a taste of what you had been doing to them.

              You literally JUST TOLD ME HOW TO POST in this thread.

              What Nat did is the same as your original comment.

              You’re a hypocrite. Google it.

            • Nat-leficent

              And I can call you stupid, stupid.

            • try looking up demographics for this board. maybe Alexa

            • The Chanology culture did great good… but stirring it up for the sake of it is now a little old hat – things have moved on.

              They have done so in no small part because of those early, cheerfully transgressive, days but with the general public has now become increasingly aware of just how bad Scientology is, ‘church’ membership is declining and recruitment is in collapse.It’s maybe time for a different approach.

              Thing, nobody should love a flame war any more, because it just fills up space and makes everyone look like argumentative zealots – which is exactly what the CofS has recently been trying to do.

              I’m afraid it’s not only a longshot, but also a curiously dated one.

      • Nat-leficent

        Because he’s been this wretched and hateful for months. We are tired of him and want him to go get help.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Hey 4chan,

        STOP READING RIGHT NOW, THIS IS ALSO LONG
        (this warning exists because apparently you can’t help yourself)

        I didn’t realise you were commenting until people started replying, because you’re only the second person I’ve ever blocked and I forgot about it.

        Because your posts are A) infrequent and B) almost always worthless shit-stirring. Who knows why? Not you, that’s for sure.

        You can see I might have a legitimate beef, and you still poke the bear? And I’m 100% certain you commented without scrolling down and reading the actual statements I reference.

        Because you’re not in service of any truth, not even your own. You’re simply a shit-stirrer and a drama queen (emo or goth IRL?).

        “long winded lectures and psedo*-psychological profiling”

        Aw, sorry…did I bore you? How terrible. Are you okay, little precious?

        Jesus. Get stuffed.

        DON’T READ IT.

        Are you stupid? A masochist? Or do you just love aggro that much?

        You could see how long it was. JUST STOP READING.

        Or use the collapse button. Or block me. You whining, delicate little snowflake.
        —————-
        I love that you told me to “leave my comment somewhere else” like I’m ever actually gonna listen to anything you say.

        Even if everyone else here cared about what you say (they really don’t, btw) in what fantasy world would you think that I might?

        I wouldn’t take advice from you on how to walk a dog, let alone conduct myself in this community.

        I’ll certainly rein in my rants when A) people I don’t have utter disdain for ask me to and B) I stop getting an indication that it was appreciated.

        Indications like, say, a bunch of “thank yous” (are those what set you off, sport?)
        —————-
        But honestly, I’m not even slightly surprised you instantly chose sides 4chan, because you pull similar shit, and you’d hate to see a fellow traveller have his freedoms assaulted by a differing opinion, right?

        Here’s how stuff really works.

        You and Anon have the right to be ignorant, self-involved asshats.

        Everyone else on the planet has the right to call you on it.

        See? Not hard.
        —————-
        Read what I wrote, you’re siding with either an outright prick or someone who’s taking stuff out on people without realizing it (I suspect that statement won’t mean much to you though, because I get a STEMlord vibe off you, so odds are you think psychiatry and mental health issues are BS, right?)
        —————-
        I made you back down like a little schoolgirl the last time you did a bullshit drive-by.

        Remember…you slowly gave up answering because I tore each of your disingenuous replies apart?

        Remember…you backed off from and weasel-worded your way out of your original aggressive and unsupportable comment?

        Wimp.
        —————-
        But I’m ready to go again anytime you are. Because it’s almost no effort for me…

        Here’s the problem. I don’t think you’re as smart as you think you are.

        And because you’re so convinced of your superiority, you can’t lift your game.

        Which means all you have left is ego and rhetoric.

        I’m re-blocking you after this, because you are a waste of pixels.

        But you start up a sock and let me know if you want to go again little princess, and I’ll unblock you in a heartbeat…

        I’ll debate you drunk if you think that’ll make it more fair.

        We can have people vote on how much I win by.

        Have a terrible day.
        —————-

        I told you to stop reading all the way up the top, didn’t I? Chump.

        *Could you at least TRY to type properly?

    • iampissed

      Lovely.

    • MarcabExpat

      Thanks, man, I needed that.

      • Welcome. I needed to be helpful. Thanks.

        • Jimmy3

          I needed someone to show me how to be helpful. Thank you.

          • daisy

            > < I want you to show me ,( musical notes emojis )
            o

            • Jimmy3

              I wanna feel what theta iiiisssssss
              I know you can shooowww meeee

  • Todd Tomorrow

    OT but religious persecution in China

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIxE5kZXjsY

    • Interesting… looks like a Scio thinking… it’s just a body so effing what?

    • Missionary Kid

      I’m no fan of the government of China, but I’m also wary of falun gong, which is behind these videos. Just because someone makes a slick video doesn’t make it legitimate or illegitimate.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Are they the group who protests in Hollywood all the time, with the bullhorns and banners?

        • Missionary Kid

          IDK. I really haven’t followed them. Just Googling them turne up a reference to a dance troup that performed in Long Beach. Apparently, they protest all over the US.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Yes.

          They did some of those in Melbourne too.

  • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

    O/T: My Monday sadness is kicking in. Oh Sunday, how I miss you already.

  • Mymy88

    Trump has lost his god damn mind. I am over all of this insane shit of brain washed FOX news imbiciles trying to defend his stupid fucking ass. Racism is much deeper in my country (US) than I ever dreamed. I
    am beginning to think there is no end to my naivety. I feel bewildered and disgusted. No wonder the mind fuck in Scientology is so intense. FOX news does brainwashing just using simple confirmation bias. Imagine an organization doing it with concentrated intention. Scientology = wanna be Third Reich.

    • LongtimeLurker

      If it helps, Australia is also pretty racist (and in terrible denial about it).

      …yeah…that didn’t help either of us.

      I tried.

    • He has been mentally ill for quite a while. Most of his life.
      Shooter in DC following fake news Pizzagate conspiracy, which was promoted by the son of Rump’s national security pick.
      “Even Michael Flynn Jr., the son of President-elect Donald Trump’s national security adviser pick, fueled the erroneous report.”
      http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/armed-man-nabbed-pizza-shop-named-clinton-conspiracy-article-1.2898666

      • Ella Raitch

        As mothers the world over have said for centuries ‘this will all end in tears…’

    • Tweeting about a comedy show mocking him.
      He will soon be overwhelmed and carried off on a stretcher in handcuffs.

    • ” Racism is much deeper in my country (US) than I ever dreamed.”

      “Denver Health doctor resigns amid controversy over racist Facebook post.”

      http://www.denverpost.com/2016/12/02/denver-doctor-racist-facebook-post-resigns/
      A fucking doctor!

    • Bob Crouch

      Ouch. When using a term like imbecile it looks really imbecilic if you can’t even spell it. So keep the hating to simple words, and you’ll do OK.

      • Mymy88

        Fuck you buddy. And guess why? I was on my brand new tablet and for some reason the spell check is not working on this blog. Something in my settings I suppose. Thanks for making me so rudely aware you asshole lol. It was a typo you fuckwad.

        • Bob Crouch

          My, my. We got a real wordsmith here…

          • Mymy88

            Eh, I apologize. If you fight scientology, you’re good in my book even if you are an ass lol.

            • Bob Crouch

              Thanks I guess

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Good Morning Bunker Fans!

    • LongtimeLurker

      …pffft…

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Good afternoon 🙂

        • LongtimeLurker

          pfffft…

          …oh alright. Hi.

          : )

  • LongtimeLurker

    Redacted.

    Hi OSA.

    • Pierrot

      thank you so much

    • Draco

      Thanks so much, Lurkie. And don’t worry too much about timing! In other words – Real life always comes first. At least I get to see it, and keep it so I can show a buddy or 2.

      Hope the hangover is over by now. Stay well XXX

      • LongtimeLurker

        Pleasure.

        You can send others directly to that link as well, if you need to share with people further away.

        • Draco

          Ooh – thanks

    • Victoria Pandora

      Got it. Many thanks!!

      • LongtimeLurker

        Great! Pleasure.

    • Shamwari

      Awesome. Thank you so much. X

      • LongtimeLurker

        Pleasure. Enjoy…well not enjoy…you know what I mean.

    • You should use dropbox or another free service, so it can be shared in optimum quality and not this quack 🙂

      • LongtimeLurker

        Screw you!

        Hmmmm, maybe I’ll look into that.

        But I can’t make them much bigger because some of the people have crappy internet service.

        • ahh! good point.

          • LongtimeLurker

            No, I appreciate the advice. Totally.

            • then check out mega.nz 50GB and it’s end 2 end encrypted with sharing option and FREE

            • LongtimeLurker

              Thanks man.