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L. Ron Hubbard on the run: When the Daily Mail was hounding Scientology’s founder in ’66

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Last week, we shared a treat with you that had been dug up by one of our helpful correspondents, a February 14, 1966 Daily Mail story that called Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard’s academic credentials bogus.

Hubbard, for example, claimed to have graduated with a degree from George Washington University, but records there showed he left with failing grades after three semesters and never took a degree. The article also pointed out that Hubbard was calling himself “doctor” based on a Ph.D. from a diploma mill.

A few weeks after that Daily Mail article and pretty clearly because of it, on March 8, 1966 Hubbard took out an ad in The Times renouncing the use of the title “doctor.”

Today, we have for you the Daily Mail’s coverage of that, as well as another piece from the same publication later that year recording Hubbard’s deportation from Rhodesia.

My word, the Daily Mail was all over the Hubster in 1966, wasn’t it!

And that may help explain why, that year, he began to formulate his plan to abscond from England and take his movement oceanward in 1967. For the next eight years, as “Commodore,” Hubbard ran Scientology from sea, keeping away from the long reach of the U.S. and British governments.

Thanks to our helpful researcher, here are these two fine pieces from 1966. We hope you enjoy them.

 

Don’t call me Doctor any more
Says the man The Mail exposed
By Richard Whitehead [March 9, 1966]

Lafayette Ron Hubbard, founder of the world-wide psychological cult called Scientology, stopped being a “doctor” yesterday.

He renounced the title in a 15-line advertisement in The Times Personal column, one month after the Daily Mail exposed it as bogus.

A Daily Mail Newsight article showed that his claim to another academic qualification was also a sham.

American-born Mr. Hubbard, 54, has won thousands of followers through the English-speaking world since he founded his cult in 1950. They pay from £2 to £360 for tuition courses.

 
Courses

For the past seven years he has been based at Saint Hill Manor, near East Grinstead, Sussex, formerly the home of the multi-millionaire Maharajah of Jaipur, which he has turned into his international headquarters with a staff of 200. Mr. Hubbard’s £15 15s. Times advertisement said:

‘I, L. Ron Hubbard…having reviewed the damage being done in our society with nuclear physics and psychiatry by persons calling themselves “Doctor,” do hereby resign in protest my university degree as a doctor of philosophy (Ph.D.), anticipating an early public outcry against anyone called “Doctor”: and although not in anyway connected with bombs or “psychiatric treatment” or treatment of the sick, and interested only and always in philosophy and the total freedom of the human spirit, I wish no association of any kind with these persons and do so publicly declare, and request my friends and the public not to refer to me in any way with this title.’

In the past Mr. Hubbard claimed that his Ph.D. degree was awarded by Sequoia University. But there is no accredited university of that name in the U.S.

He has also claimed a Civil Engineering degree of George Washington University, and the letters C.E. are printed after his name on his stationery. He was a student at his university for 18 months, but did not graduate.

Another qualification he has claimed is that of Doctor of Scientology.

Mr. Hubbard was not available last night. His personal assistant, Mr. Reg Sharpe, said he was abroad on holiday, and not to be disturbed. He said: “In future we shall refer to him as Mr. Hubbard, or as Lafayette Ron Hubbard, or simply as Ron.”

 
Heaven

As a Scientologist, Mr. Hubbard has made many claims in books and bulletins for followers. Among these are that he has twice visited Heaven, that it is possible to “process” the mind back to previous lives, and that he has succeeded in separating the human spirit from the body (“probably the greatest discovery of Scientology”).

Last December Scientology was outlawed by the State of Victoria, Australia, after an inquiry branded its methods there as “evil.”

In the Commons on February 7, the Health Minister, Mr. Kenneth Robinson, refused to order a similar investigation in Britain, though he said he would be prepared to consider “any demand” for an inquiry if he received one.

 
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‘Trip to Heaven’ man told: Get out
By Peter Younghusband
Salisbury, Wednesday [July 14, 1966]

Lafayette Ron Hubbard, founder of the world-wide cult of Scientology, has been declared a prohibited immigrant in Rhodesia.

He has been ordered to leave the country by Monday, although he waged his own campaign in support of Mr. Ian Smith’s rebel Government.

The authorities believe he is using the current political situation to expand his movement.

 
Followers

Mr. Hubbard, 54, who has invested nearly £30,000 to show his “confidence” in the country and its Government, refused to comment on the expulsion order.

Last February, Mr. Hubbard’s activities in Britain were investigated by the Daily Mail.

Multi-millionaire Mr. Hubbard has thousands of followers in the English-speaking world who pay from £2 to £360 for his tuition courses.

He has made many claims in books and bulletins for followers, among them that he has visited Heaven twice, and has succeeded in separating the human spirit from the body.

Last September, Scientology was outlawed by the Australian State of Victoria after an inquiry branded its methods as “evil.”

In the Commons earlier this year, the Minister of Health, Mr. Kenneth Robinson, refused to order a similar investigation in Britain.

Mr. Hubbard arrived in Rhodesia early in May from Johannesburg, where he had flown in January 1966 after “a third bout of pneumonia following which my doctors advised me to leave Britain” — according to a newspaper interview in Salisbury.

After completing business in Johannesburg, he returned to Rhodesia, bought a large house in Salisbury’s most fashionable suburb for £16,500, and began to hold Scientology meetings in it.

He bought the Bumi Hills Hotel on Lake Kariba for a song — it had cost £30,000.

He planned to develop it into a game lodge.

 
Sympathy

Mr. Hubbard lost no opportunity to get publicity. Apart from issuing Scientologist literature to anyone interested, he made special efforts to ride the crest of the present political wave, apparently to ingratiate himself with White Rhodesians and their Government.

He never lost an opportunity to praise the Smith Government, to drive home the point that he was making substantial investment in Rhodesia, and to express his sympathy for the cause of White Rhodesians.

But the Rhodesian authorities watched him suspiciously, and were investigating his past and present activities.

Mr. Hubbard was restricted to a month-to-month resident permit which was due for review on July 18. It will not now be renewed.

Rhodesian authorities formed the view that Hubbard was playing on Rhodesian emotions to serve his own ends — to swell the membership of his Scientology cult.

Scientology had made striking progress in Rhodesia recently, in the city of Bulawayo, with a population of 45,000 whites, the cult netted an annual return of £10,000.

Rhodesia’s police investigators studied the methods used by the cult. Its lecturers played on the fears, emotions and beliefs of people here to bring them to membership.

In particular, the racial prejudices of Rhodesians were exploited. They were told, for instance, that Africans could not qualify for membership of the Institute of Scientology, because their IQ was too low.

 
Furious

The director of the Scientology Institute in Bulawayo, Mr. John Kennedy, was responsible for much of the cult’s success in Rhodesia.

All went well until Mr. Kennedy, probably impressed by the amount of money he was making for Mr. Hubbard, decided to branch out with a movement of his own — the Institute of Mental Health, headquarters of which he set up in Johannesburg.

The Scientologists were furious for Mr. Kennedy took with him a large slice of their paying members.

Mr. Kennedy died in a shooting incident. It was said he shot himself accidentally while cleaning his revolver. An open verdict was returned by the coroner.

 
“Apart from issuing Scientologist literature to anyone interested, he made special efforts to ride the crest of the present political wave, apparently to ingratiate himself with White Rhodesians and their Government.”

Sounds like our Ron!

As we pointed out last year, Scientology today has a very different take on Hubbard’s Rhodesian gambit.

But it’s nice to get some additional support for the real version of what happened. And wow, did the Daily Mail sort of not very shyly suggest that Hubbard had a breakaway leader bumped off?

Harsh!

 
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  • George M. White

    trash everyone. It will make you feel better

  • MM

    Half O/T – A couple thoughts re: yesterday’s article (Also, FTR I’m not a lawyer)

    Scott, thank you for sharing your expert opinion on the Scn trademark issue, much appreciated. Interesting that of all generic TMs there are, you’d choose Aspirin when explaining a case that involves the concept of “sophisticated buyers”, and also the addition of “significant words” to the TM in question 🙂

    “for example, Bayer’s “Aspirin” had become so ubiquitous a headache remedy that consumers started using the term descriptively, and the term was soon found by a court to be generic. Bayer was a victim of its own success”

    I’d like to submit that rather than of its own success, Bayer was the victim of its own idiocy (not entirely sure that’s the correct legal term, though). After introducing the product into the U.S. market, Bayer for several years could not be bothered to advertize it to the general public, nor to ask their re-sellers to indicate to their customers (the end consumers) that the powder or pills they were buying was, indeed, Aspirin, and that it was manufactured by Bayer.

    Bayer’s initial indifference towards end consumers was the reason that to non-sophisticated buyers the mark did not “indicate the source of the goods”. A lot of them thought they were getting ‘stuff you take against headaches’, those who even knew the term “Aspirin” existed thought it was just another synonym for ‘stuff you take against headaches’, and almost all of them reasonably assumed it was produced either by whomever they got it from, or by any number of suppliers and manufaturers. In other words, while being an established TM among sophisticated buyers, to non-sophisticated buyers the term “Aspirin” became generic, describing a “headache remedy which, depending on one’s level of education, may or may not contain acetyl salicylic acid” class of goods.

    Interestingly, and to get somewhat back on-topic: When Bayer years later sued some competitor for manufacturing “piratically” the product and selling it as “Genuine Aspirin”, an injunction was issued ordering that while defendant was free to sell the stuff to the general public as Aspirin, it could not do so when dealing with “manufacturing chemists, wholesale or retail druggists, or physicians” (that is, with sophisticated buyers), for they were “a class of buyers to whom the word ‘Aspirin’ has always signified the plaintiff, more specifically indeed than was necessary for its protection”. (Bayer Co. v. United Drug Co., 272 F. 505 (S.D.N.Y. 1921), https://cyber.harvard.edu/metaschool/fisher/domain/tmcases/bayer.htm )

    Oops. This kinda sounds, at least to this non-lawyer, like the exact opposite of what FICS is arguing: that to Scientologists of all people (aka sophisticated buyers of “Scientology”) the term would somehow not “signify”, and not indicate as “source of the goods”, the actual CoS.

    Additionally (or maybe I should say, “on the other hand”) the text contains this gem:

    After the autumn of 1915 the plaintiff totally changed its methods, and thereafter no tablets reached the consumer without its own name. But it is significant that even then it used the word ‘Aspirin’ as though it was a general term, although it is true that there was ample notice upon the bottles and boxes that ‘Aspirin’ meant its manufacture. The most striking part of the label read, ‘Bayer– Tablets of Aspirin.’ While this did not show any abandonment of the name, which there has never been, it did show how the plaintiff itself recognized the meaning which the word had acquired, because the phrase most properly means that these tablets were Bayer’s make of the drug known as ‘Aspirin.’ It presupposes that the persons reached were using the word to denote a kind of product. Were it not so, why the addition of ‘Bayer,’ and especially why the significant word ‘of’?

    Oops, again. Seems like, at least to this non-lawyer, that in addition to explaining at length how they added words like “First” to the mark in question, FICS maybe should have pointed out that the actual CoS themselves, by refering to themselves as the “Church of Scientology”, have since the 1950s been using the word ‘Scientology’ “as though it was a general term”.

    Last but not least, and on a lighter and almost ‘J&D’-like note: anybody notice how in the USPTO document Scott linked ( https://goo.gl/9OGLGF ) FICS submitted as evidence (Exhibit B) a list of links trying to show “many generic uses of the word Scientology” – and how WITHOUT EXCEPTION ALL OF THEM are exactly matching the pattern:
    [Some Bad or Disliked Example] is the Scientology of [Subject]?

    I’d guess the Cognitive Dissonance is not exceptionally weak in whomever prepared this document 😀

    • I think it was the same as with Xerox. I read a book about this “Xerox won” – i think. Same situation in many ways, but Xerox and Aspirin was a success, Scientology Not so much!

  • George M. White

    I like your style, Cecil

  • Observer

    I’m starting to think nobody will get out of 2016 alive.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/leonard-cohen-dead-at-82-w449792

    • Rasha

      DAMMIT, 2016!!! You are PISSING me OFF!!!

      • Please! Don’t rock the boat and sit down :-/

    • kemist

      Not much of it left, at least.

      Eta : did not know he was a fellow Québécois.

    • Rasha

      Obs, I want to commission a work. A desolate field, with a dead tree in the background, a layer of cold mist, and a headstone. Upon it, the words, “Fuckin’ 2016. Yer Done. Shut Up.”

      Just….. well, you know.

      • chukicita

        Go home, 2016. You’re drunk.

        • MarcabExpat

          And Leonard Cohen just died. I’M DONE.

          EDIT: This comment was a lot longer and made sense before Disqus ate most of it. I don’t even have the heart to retype. DONE.

  • George M. White

    you do it layer by layer, ronnie

  • George M. White

    broken wire!

    • Rasha

      Shhhh.

      Shhh.

    • Mockingbird

      Are you the author of Lucifer’s Bridge ?

      • George M. White

        Yes, I wrote that under George M. Witek

        • Mockingbird

          I saw a quote in which you said Hubbard read everything popular on the occult published from 1888 to 1934.

          Do you go into that in detail in your book ? I am very interested in getting information on that and considering buying that book. Also, do you know if he read the OAHSPE ? I have read an extremely detailed comparison between that insane cult text and Scientology and Dianetics and personally found over fifty points of similarity.

          I spent twenty five years in Scientology and feel Hubbard very likely plagiarized hundreds of ideas from occult sources, but wanted your opinion on this.

          • George M. White

            Mockingbird,
            Lucifer’s Bridge contains very little on his occult sources. It really only covers the
            authentication of the OT VIII narrative. My full exploration of his occult sources started about a year ago. I mention Blavatsky in Lucifer’s Bridge, but do not go into detail.
            Hubbard had the idea that he could own any source as long as he changed it in a minor way. I do not know if he read OAHSPE. Hubbard was a sly person; he hid his sources well. I have concluded that Hubbard simply got his mindset from reading the occult. In other words, he simply took out whatever he could use. I cannot prove that Hubbard plagiarized but it is likely. Hope to write another book with this information but it will take time. I have over 200 links to Blavatsky. But the pattern is the same. He steals the idea but he changes it to cover the act. With Crowley, Hubbard just outright takes a lot of it word for word, but he always changes it in some way.

            • Mockingbird

              Thanks. I read the Book of Law and found forty one points I instantly recognized as being present in Dianetics and Scientology doctrine.

              I would love to get information on the Blavatsky links if at all possible. If it’s in a book you publish that would be great. I hope to explore and expose as much of his occult plagiarism as possible.

  • Rasha
    • iampissed

      Night Rasha

    • Morning Rasha – Night-shift take it from here!

  • Unex Skcus

    R.I.P. Leonard Cohen. 🙁

    Been a fan since ‘Suzanne’ in late 60s. I was stunned to hear (via Mr O. at VV, IIRC) that he had briefly flirted with Co$.

    • FredEX2

      Oh no! I love Leonard Cohen. Sad. 🙁

      • stillgrace2

        I am so honored that I got to see him In Oakland during his last tour. Incredible night.

    • Robert Eckert

      2016 is the worst year in my lifetime, so many different ways.

      • stillgrace2

        I hear you, Robert. Me too.

      • daisy

        I an sorry Robert and Stillgrace . I hope it gets better. If you want to share i am sure that is ok.

      • Anony-Lurker

        It’s been rough Robert, we lost some great ones (Bowie was particularly bad for me) and of course Black Tuesday.

        The way I look at it is that If I have relatively good health, food to eat, a place to live, a couple of close real friends and some loving family…I’m doing okay.

        I hope you have the same.

        • Robert Eckert

          I have food to eat and a place to live, but my health is declining, all my real friends are so far away, and my parents are in decline, dad in a particularly bad form of Alzheimer’s where he is spiteful and violent and just a pain in the ass all day every day, not a sign of the person he used to be, ever, and mom of course worn to a frazzle trying to deal with him.

          • Sherbet

            I’m sorry, Robert. Hugs.

            • Robert Eckert

              Thank you dear xoxo

          • daisy

            I am so sorry I wish I could help in a real way, (((hugs )))

            • Robert Eckert

              Thanks sweetie :*

          • Ella Raitch

            I’m so sorry Robert. Hope you can take some pleasure in our company. Stay of the political blogs for a while!

            • Robert Eckert

              Every place I go online is a political blog this week.

            • Ella Raitch

              Yeah, pretty sucky. It should ease off at the Bunker soon.

          • Anony-Lurker

            Sorry to hear it. We reach that age where our parents are declining, I understand and dealt with a demented father, who went from great to real bad in 2 years. Heart breaking and reminder to me of my aging.
            Luckily, my 90+ mother is in great shape.

            I have a lot of friends far also, but I keep in touch with Skype.

            I hope you’re able to get a handle on your health.

          • Frodis73

            Hugs to you Robert…it’s been a bad year for me too, so I can relate. You are in my thoughts.

            • Robert Eckert

              If we all lean on each other maybe we can stand upright.

          • Juicer77

            Will pray for strength for you and your mom. And some peace for your Dad. It’s so hard when someone you love is suddenly a stranger. I’m probably way out of bounds suggesting this, but have you and your mom talked to dad’s doctors about some psychiatric meds possibly helping him not be so agitated? Forgive me if this is too personal.

            • Robert Eckert

              I’ve invited the personal by venting, as I have sometimes felt the need to do here. We have tried a few meds. Some have a little effect, though not really enough, but the ones that really knock him down also make him dangerously unsteady on his feet and so on.

            • Juicer77

              I hear ya.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        Ditto.

        • Juicer77

          Hugs. Or whatever I can offer that would help.

      • Juicer77

        Hugs. Very sorry.

    • stillgrace2

      From “Famous Blue Raincoat”:
      “Did you ever go clear?”

    • LongtimeLurker

      What?

      Shit.

      • it was a very short flirt.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Oh, I was unclear…my distress was over his death. I already knew about the Scientology.

        • Len Zinberg

          Yes, it was.
          I well remember him there, in1969.
          Such a loss…
          I will light a yohrzeit candle in honor of his life.

  • salin

    Good night UB. Remember to click the recommend (underneath the comments count). As a reminder bonus I share an Aurora view from earlier this week from Fairbanks, Alaska http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=130614&PHPSESSID=uncb8jj4sn56c98150dgpsbfm6

  • stillgrace2

    I am a huge Leonard Cohen fan and it would be impossible for me to pick a favorite song among his many jewels. However, this one seems so appropriate for these dark days. This version was filmed at the Sydney Opera House during an amazing tribute to Leonard Cohen. I have the DVD of this concert. It was incredible.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4bYDxbVIKE&list=PL8B6F950BCE6FDFAE

    • Ella Raitch

      Thanks Stillgrace – a special song at the moment, for many reasons.

      My favourite LC song

  • Liberated

    John Cleese and Eric Idle are on Conan.

    • Me want! I will con people to get an AI with this machine and i will get Rich!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Now I’m onboard!

    • Juicer77

      My claustrophobia is kicking in…

  • Robert Ramsay
  • LongtimeLurker

    OT

    SANFORD, Fla. – George Zimmerman (the guy acquitted of murder in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin) yelled at a female employee, used racial slurs and was “belligerent” toward a deputy before being removed from a bar in Sanford.

    The manager told the deputy that Zimmerman had been involved in several incidents during the evening, and he wanted to have Zimmerman trespassed.

    Before Zimmerman left the bar, he told the manager, “I didn’t know you were a (racial expletive) lover”.

    There were also reports of Zimmerman’s friends using racial slurs toward other customers throughout the night.
    ——————–
    You know, a cynical Lurker might see this as the start of all sorts of scumbags becoming emboldened by the election. Doing and saying things they were previously afraid or ashamed to do.

    ——————–
    eta
    Latecomers, just use the minus and collapse this whole thread.

    Someone had a bad day at work or stubbed their toe or something and decided to take it out on the Internet.

    Look further down for something to engage you, imho.

    • Ella Raitch

      When you blow a dog whistle, the dogs come barking

    • 4chanpartyvan

      “You know, a cynical Lurker might see this as the start of all sorts of scumbags becoming emboldened by the election. Doing and saying things they were previously afraid or ashamed to do.”
      And a rational man might see this statement as hyperbolic baseless scaremongering.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I don’t see how I’m scaremongering.

        What, I’m sneakily trying to get people freaked out by racism?

        • 4chanpartyvan

          So then why the election comment what does that have to do with racism?

          • LongtimeLurker

            “Why the election comment” – people have been making OT election comments since Tuesday.

            “What does it have to do with racism” – seriously?

            “Scaremongering – the process of saying or doing something in order to deliberately make people feel worried or frightened, especially so that you can gain an advantage.”

            I wasn’t deliberately trying to frighten the people here, who are my friends. Why would I do that? Do you do that kind of thing?

            But I guess maybe I can gain an advantage. Hmmm…I just need to monetize it.

          • do i have to explain it to you?
            “what does that have to do with racism?” he he!

      • daisy

        You are a dicK. I just listened to his secretary of black relations Omorosa ( what ever the fuck that means ) someone who didn*t even win the * the apprentice say that ” Donald has a long memory. You who were his detracors will have to bow down,Look up her whole statement .Reporting actual events is not fear mongering .

        • 4chanpartyvan

          Name calling…nice.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Hypocrisy. Nice.

            “…rational man…” implies I’m not.

            “…hyperbolic baseless scaremongering…” flat out says I’m a disingenuous, possibly anti-social trouble-maker.

            The door swings both ways.

            • 4chanpartyvan

              “…hyperbolic baseless scaremongering…” flat out says I’m a disingenuous, possibly anti-social trouble-maker.
              Your words not mine

            • LongtimeLurker

              You ignored my point.

              You call people names, but don’t like it when it’s done to you.

              There’s a word for that.

            • 4chanpartyvan

              What name did i call you.
              You alluded that since trump got voted in there might be a rise in racism and racists i merely alluded to the fact that this is baseless and a bit over the top.

            • but there is?

            • 4chanpartyvan

              Are you asking me or telling me

            • 4chanpartyvan

              Seriously the guy has been running the country for 1 day and you are going to use that as proof that the election is the catalyst,i could say that since he is in the numbers have dropped and dropping.
              Cmon guy this is just desperate

            • Frodis73

              No, Obama is still our president today, not that asshole…not til Jan. Secondly, there have been *many* incidents of violence by Trump supporters and in his name taken out on people. You can google them very easily.

            • LongtimeLurker

              You mean the administration doesn’t change the very next day?

              Like, as if they hold the election before they need a new President?

              That’s crazy talk!

            • Friday January 20 2017

            • LongtimeLurker

              You know I know, right?

              I was trying to mock 4chanpartyvan for saying Trump was already in office.

            • he he… but i didn’t know :-O

            • LongtimeLurker

              I actually thought it was January 1st for some reason.

              But New Years day would be stupid, of course.

            • omg! don’t say that.. that would have ruined the day before the big hangover

            • Frodis73

              The day before my birthday…Happy f’n birthday to me right? 🙁

            • sucks… and the inauguration (new word i just learned) will be all over your screen that day!

            • Frodis73

              I honestly don’t think I can watch that (shudder!!). Can you imagine what our State of the Union addresses will be like? His attention span is like 25 mins *max*!! His acceptance speech was lame…his debates were incoherent. OMFG, this is such a nightmare.

            • i saw how he followed Hillary around the floor making faces behind her back.. creepy lol

            • Frodis73

              Super creepy and scary.

            • LongtimeLurker

              You’re joking right? You don’t really think he’s the President already?

              I imagine Dice is saying that as his popularity rose so did that kind of behaviour. How is that a desperate tactic?

            • “the election is the catalyst” <— This!
              I hear what you are saying, but to cool this down again, there will be more crowd control and surveillance. This is domestic violence on the streets!

            • 4chanpartyvan

              Im not angry bro.
              I get it nobody likes Trump but i have seen this a hundred times before the guy/girl you voted for or policy doesnt get elected or passed/vitoed and all of a sudden its civil unrest,anarchy,racism and the end of days.
              Seen it with gun control,immagration,GST ang gay marriage.
              Nobody knows whats going to happen nobody has certainty and you are fooling yourself if you think you can predict the next 4 yrs.
              If you read my original comment you will see this is what i was hinting at.
              Look people are angry,frustrated and annoyed if it makes you feel better keep railing on me i dont mind think of me as your personal whipping boy

            • LongtimeLurker

              I wasn’t “predicting” anything.

              I was saying that my observations of people’s behaviour over my life leads me to believe that a certain kind of person will feel increasingly emboldened by current political events.

              It happens every election, everywhere in the world, with the emboldened group changing.

              Why would this be any different?

            • 4chanpartyvan

              I saw almost the exact same thing written by a Trump supporter about the liberal agenda if Clinton got voted in almost word for word.
              Amazing

            • LongtimeLurker

              It increasingly seems like you’re arguing for the sake of it*. It’s boring.

              “Amazing” how?

              You’re disproving my point…not even slightly.

              If Clinton had got in, a different kind of person would feel emboldened.

              That’s exactly right.

              I just said that. Why are you telling me things I just said?

              *Bad day? Drunk?

            • 4chanpartyvan

              Sorry guy i dont drink.What point.
              I called you out for equating some possible rise in racism to the election an obvious backhanded swipe at someone you didnt vote for,dont like and want to see gone.
              You are blowing this out of proportion and now have resorted to name calling and petty judgments
              Keep being salty brother enjoy your next 4 yrs.

            • LongtimeLurker

              And once again, you’re not actually dealing with any of the things I said.

              We’re done.

              ps – you’ve done more name-calling than me.

            • Frodis73

              It’s not the racism being called out, it is the violent incidents of slurs/harassment, vandalism, attacks, etc. that *have* happened since Tuesday. They have gone up, it is real and the people doing it have done these things (loudly and proudly) in Trumps name.

            • Frodis73

              Source?

            • LongtimeLurker
            • not sure you know how old i am and what i have seen. But i can tell you, right now i am listening to a radio program where kids express their angst about this man. I have seen European leaders trying to welcome this man and keep it cool while you can see they fear in their faces and wordings. Only Putin is happy as a smiley, because he knows he can outsmart this Trump anytime. You right about, nobody knows, because he is a loose cannon playing with the big boys and he is going to get squashed like a sweet lemon, unless they isolate him and his blowjob in the white house.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I.
              Just.
              Explained.
              It.
              To.
              You.

              …the name-calling. You literally just quoted it back to me.

              Are you okay?

            • Liberated

              No it’s not

            • Robert Eckert

              An honest assessment, yes.

          • What’s wrong with “Name calling”?

            • LongtimeLurker

              It makes him feel bad?

              But people throwing racial slurs around in public is okay, apparently.

        • Frodis73

          Yeah, that was a very scientology like statement. He has an enemy list…great.

        • Anony-Lurker

          Aren’t Trolls meant to be ignored?

          • 4chanpartyvan

            I have a different opinion there fore troll.
            I like the way you think

            • LongtimeLurker

              Actually, I think Anony-Lurker is talking more about the fact that you’re an infrequent commenter and that this thread is OT and now really long.

              All common troll indicators here.

              But keep making assumptions about people’s motivations.

          • he is not a troll and he has been teaching the bunker about trolls previously, he just have a different opinion, that’s why he is a Dick 🙂

            • LongtimeLurker

              It’s the presentation of the opinion that’s my issue.

              I can handle a debate, but side-stepping, cherry-picking and waffle are worthless.

            • Well… in my book, you put up the excerpt as example to your argument and then some claiming that Trump was not there, in the bar when it happen, so don’t blame him. I am so going to blame him! 🙂

            • LongtimeLurker

              Well, I was mainly blaming the people involved. But Trump a little bit, too.

            • yeah his followers!

          • daisy

            Yes that is the theory. I didn*t realize he was a troll . Sometimes depending on our mood , we do engage them. It. Is very difficult sometimes not to engage them.

    • Creeping Fascism (Wikipedia won’t define this term) is something that has been very real for decades!

    • Missionary Kid

      I don’t blame Trump for this one. Zimmerman was an open racist asshole before Trump even decided to run. The manager threw him out for being obnoxious – which he was before, drunk or sober.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Fair enough. I just wonder if as a group they would have been more…low key… in different circumstances?

        But for all I know that kind of thing is standard in parts of Florida.

        Like it is on certain Melbourne tram routes.

      • we can’t just pick and chose, there will be more like this! Uber Mensch behave like this!

    • Liberated

      These people have always been racists scumbags, but I agree they now think they can get away with it (I mean everybody’s doing it)

      Isn’t it against the law not to vote in your country?

      • Anony-Lurker

        Trump…The president who legitimized hate. A nice way for the history books to remember a person.

        • Liberated

          Like he cares.

          • Anony-Lurker

            I wonder if he even realizes. Sometimes people who grow up in that isolated world feel that others are really inferior. They have no other frame of reference. I’m not condoning it in any way, in fact I find it really despicable.

            • Liberated

              Oh he knows, he loves it and he knows it upsets people, he just doesn’t care.
              It fact I think he gets off on it.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              He’s carrying on all of the values his dad taught him and brought him up by, and now he’s going to be that same kind of distant, cold, judgemental, uncaring, neglectful and occasionally abusive father to the nation. And at 70 the chance of him becoming someone different is very small indeed.

              Making someone like him the most powerful man on earth just has to end badly…it’s just a question of HOW badly.

            • LongtimeLurker

              The very best that can be hoped for is the administration will work out how few of his promises can be effectively implemented.

              And they’ll kind of flop around and do nothing except cut taxes and services.

              Then economic improvement and social advances of the past few years will backslide.

              Also more hate crimes.

              That’s the very best, imho.

            • Frodis73

              Yep, and e is going to take his tantrum out on the whole world.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Yeah, we do have compulsory voting.

        Personally I would vote anyway.

  • I just had an “Out of The Fridge Experience” – (OTFE) I was hungry and found a long forgotten China dish for the microwave, so i am going to Nuke that!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Not too long forgotten, I hope.

      • He … it was frozen np!

        • LongtimeLurker

          Ah. That’s okay then. ; )

    • Unex Skcus

      From TT (Trump Tuesday) to OTFE… should I be getting nervous?

      • no it’s just me, not you! he

  • outraged

    OT for Leonard, who died of a broken heart.
    https://youtu.be/ttEMYvpoR-k

    • Unex Skcus

      Not one of my fav LC songs really – but then I was weaned on songs like Bird On A Wire, Suzanne, etc.

      I could never find a way to explain to friends back then, just *how* LC appealed so much to me. They described his singing as a ‘dirge’. I briefly heard someone on the wireless try to describe it as being on a downer, yet getting a huge uplift from it.

      Very sad news. Bad year, 2016.

  • Anony-Lurker

    I’ve really only recently started posting, but have been reading this blog and the comments for 2 1/2 years or more.

    I’ve noticed that some of the trolls always strike me as the same person. 4chanpartyvan especially seems like one whose posts I’ve read before under different names. I also wonder why sometimes the trolls go after pretty specific people, not always but definitely at times.

    I’m not sure, maybe I’m reading into things.

    • Frodis73

      4chan has been around for a long time…just dont think he posts a lot. He is not a troll (that I am aware of).

      • Liberated

        He’s only posted 67 comments and been around since 2008, I find that hard to believe.

        • 4chanpartyvan

          You can talk to me you know i will answer honestly.

          • Liberated

            No thanks

          • Robert Eckert

            We know nothing of the kind.

        • Frodis73

          I don’t find that small number of posts odd…esp since he made it clear how he feels about this site in another comment.
          He is being antagonistic right now and his first few comments about violence/race/DT were naive, at best…I am just saying he is not totally unknown here and has been around for a long time.

          • Liberated

            Ok

            • LongtimeLurker

              Could still be a long con.

              I don’t really think that.

              …but you never know…

            • Liberated

              I’ve got the tv on and “the filth and the fury” is on.

              Starring Sid Viscious and the the Sex Pistols. I kind of like it.

              The way everything’s so shitty now, Sid says it best “I want to be sedated!”

            • LongtimeLurker

              I hear that.

              I might make myself get off the couch and get some cider.

              Maybe.

            • Liberated

              Do it!

            • Juicer77

              DID SOMEONE SAY CIDER!?! 🙂

            • LongtimeLurker

              I ended up not getting any. : (

              Too broke. Probably would drink the whole 6 pack.

              Bought an extra tube of Oreos instead.

            • Juicer77

              Acceptable.

          • LongtimeLurker

            He started off sort of okay, but he’s clearly just arguing for the sake of it now.

            Instead of engaging in a circular argument on the internet, work out what the real thing bothering you is and try to fix that, I say.

            • Frodis73

              Oh yeah, he is being a dick now, lol.

            • Eliza Doolittle

              Troll, arsehole… whatever

              he’s got a hot date with the block button either way..

            • LongtimeLurker

              You too, eh?

              Only my second ever, and both today.

              People…they’re the worst. : P

            • Eliza Doolittle

              Yep. If only real people were that easily deleted.

              And yeah. They’re the absolute worst. All of them.
              Wish I was rich enough to be a recluse.

          • 4chanpartyvan

            Im not being antagonistic or naive.
            If you read original comment Mr/Mrs Lurker equated a possible rise in racism to the election.I alluded to the fact this was hyperbole and unfounded.Thats all i said.
            For this difference in opinion i have been branded a troll,dick,drunk and now OSA plant argumentative and naive.
            It warms my heart to see such an open friendly community willing to have rational discourse.

            • LongtimeLurker

              People can scroll down and see what you actually said and how you said it.

              You’re misrepresenting what happened.

              I don’t think you’re OSA, but others do. See how we’re not a hive mind?

            • Frodis73

              And we disagreed with you by saying that is not what the data says. Somebody posted a chart too. I am also one of the people that said you were not a troll. I am not taking my opinion back that I think your statement about that rise in violence is naive at best either. You can go google this stuff…there is a “trump effect” going on in a lot of different areas….hate crimes is just one of many.

            • 4chanpartyvan

              Hate crime is a very broad term does hate crime only mean racism or is it violence against gays,religous groups,women or any other group Im missing.The graph shows 1 week and its falling does it rise and fall constantly whats it look like over the course of a year,who puts out these stats are they accurate .
              I

            • Liberated

              Just check out the The Southern Poverty Law Center they absolutely keep track of hate crimes

              that’s what they do. Hate crimes have sky-rocketed, it’s not my opinion it’s fact.

              In fact the KKK are openly recruiting in the Carolinas. Check it out yourself.

            • This open friendly community has been declared a Cult, Swarm, Hive, Hyperbole, Childish, Suppressive and much much more! Take your pick!

            • 4chanpartyvan

              Not by me

            • LongtimeLurker

              You literally just called us a hive 40 minutes ago.

            • 4chanpartyvan

              Hive mind yes.
              Cult,swarm,suppresive,childish and much much more no.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Right.

              Right.

            • 4chanpartyvan

              well show me the comment

            • LongtimeLurker

              You called us one of the things on the list of things you said you’d never called us.

              How do you not get it? How do you think all this isn’t antagonistic?

              It’s a text book example.

              And you call me salty…

            • Liberated

              He said suppressive……he’s a clam.

            • Juicer77

              I disagree with Hive Mind. But you have a right to your opinion, and everyone’s mileage may vary, as they say!

            • don’t pull a victim when we bite, you knew you were barking up the wrong tree
              “And a rational man might see this statement as hyperbolic baseless scaremongering.”

            • 4chanpartyvan

              When “we” bite
              .Case in point i stand behind hive mind

            • what’s wrong with a hive? Do you walk into crowd and start whacking the first and the best out of proportion, and scream about Hive mind, when your are surrounded?
              Did they kick you out of 4chan?

            • Liberated

              The more I listen to this character I’m beginning to think he’s a lonely guy and just wants to play with the “cool kids”.
              We’re nice people, he’s just going about it all wrong.
              Being in the cult doesn’t allow much time to perfect one’s social skills.

            • 4chanpartyvan

              Well not lonely and i think “cool kids” might be a stretch.
              As far as going about it all wrong whats the right way,please feel free to post the rule book i was under the impression this was an open forum not an open forum as long as its cool with “liberated”
              And yes 99% of people here are nice

            • Liberated

              Now you’re pissing me off…….I gonna say this as nicely as I can.

              Shut-up and go away I’ve had enough out of you!

            • 4chanpartyvan

              Very eloquent indeed.
              You will get your wish,the wife is yelling at me she wants to see Dr Strange and i promised to take her.
              Have a good one i certainly will, love that cinema popcorn.

            • Liberated

              You’re kidding….you have a wife?

            • Juicer77

              Hope you enjoyed the movie.

            • just playing around with him a bit. The bunker has this reputation of being all the wrong things and that has to be challenged by people who normally is not spending time building up social structures. Even online. As he is carying this 4chan label, it tells me that he is not just some stray who needs guidance. It is a well known tatict to join a forum and piss off someone just to see what happen and thereby reveal the forums structure faster than just spend some time to read it out. He would not test this out on wwp or some other well funded forums.

            • Liberated

              Ok but keep reading, I told him to shut up, he’s a dick.
              You’ll see.

            • 4chanpartyvan

              Not sure if you can get kicked off 4chan.
              Will get back to you on that one.

            • Liberated

              Dear, I don’t know where you’re from but you picked a real bad time to visit the bunker and say antagonistic things.

              We just elected “Orange Mussolini ” to be president and Leonard Cohen died.
              Everyone’s pretty fragile right now. I hope you can understand that.

            • 4chanpartyvan

              Yeah i get it.
              We all have bad days i didnt come here to antagonize anyone.

            • Robert Eckert

              Bullshit. Your very first post was nothing but antagonism. Own it.

            • Juicer77

              Sorry I missed the discussion but I’m willing to listen to what you have to say. If there is one thing are usually good at here in the Bunker, it’s civil discourse. Usually. This election has really riled people up, and that’s understandable. I am as puzzled as everyone else why people voted for Trump (or anyone else), and I honestly want to have a calm discussion about it. That’s the only way to find out how this whole situation came about.

            • 4chanpartyvan

              Nothing really missed im afraid Lurker said”You know, a cynical Lurker might see this as the start of all sorts of scumbags becoming emboldened by the election. Doing and saying things they were previously afraid or ashamed to do.”
              So I replied “And a rational man might see this statement as hyperbolic baseless scaremongering.”
              So a difference of opinion,that blew out to me being called names etc you can see the comments for yourself.
              I guess a few people have decided to appoint themselves as moderators of this blog and unpopular opinions should be shutdown or taken elsewhere.

            • Juicer77

              Not true. We love to scrap re: opinio s.

            • Robert Eckert

              “I alluded to the fact this was hyperbole and unfounded” That’s not a “fact”: it’s your very dubious opinion. Outbursts of bigotry of all kinds have been notable since election day.
              https://www.queerty.com/20-accounts-trump-supporters-calling-us-fagots-faces-20161110?utm_source=notification&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=onesignal

        • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

          Maybe because he has a life.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Well, not today. Not based on the massive number of unnecessarily antagonistic comments he just spent 2 hours making…

            • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

              Maybe because he has a handful of posters jumping down his throat as if they are doing a service to humanity by “troll hunting” but comes across as bullying.

            • LongtimeLurker

              That’s not how I recall it happening.

              It was just me and him at the start.

              And the very first thing off his keyboard was designed to be insulting.

              Then he avoided engaging with my rebuttals, while arguing pointlessly (and increasingly antagonistically) about peripheral matters.

              Then the others got involved.

              He was also the one who opened the door to the name-calling (which I didn’t particpate in) and insulting people’s discussion style (which I did).

            • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

              Yeah that would kinda possible me off, too.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Also, I actually don’t have a life.

              Not that that’s anyone’s fault.

            • coonellie

              Ditto

            • Eliza Doolittle

              You’re the nicest person on here.
              That’s a life to be proud of. xx

            • LongtimeLurker

              Awww…come on…

              Gosh. And shucks.

              xoxo

            • Eliza Doolittle

              ‘Tis true. xx

            • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

              Well that’s not true because yove gone MIA for a few months at a time.:) anyways my point is that just because someone doesn’t post a lot doesn’t mean they should be picked on. But I didn’t read the earlier comments, so I’ll should just shut up And butt out. You’re still the bomb 😎. And I don’t have much of. A life either but I was trying to make a point

          • 4chanpartyvan

            Thankyou.I wouldnt be to hasty to jump to my side though you might cop the same treatment

      • Ella Raitch

        Agreed – just a person with a different political view

        • LongtimeLurker

          And a terrible way of communicating it.

          Let’s not forget that.

        • coonellie

          Amazing that you had it pegged…with your different POV. You get brownie points for seeing the future. I never saw it coming.

    • 4chanpartyvan

      Nope just have a different opinion.
      Only ever posted under 1 name,been here since the inception and chanology circa 2008.
      This is 1 of the reasons i post here very infrequently,because if you dont follow the hive you get smashed.

      • LongtimeLurker

        “This is 1 of the reasons i post here very infrequently,because if you dont follow the hive you get smashed.”

        If you honestly believe that, why post ever?

        • 4chanpartyvan

          Its not what i believe its what i have …….to quote you”observed”

          • LongtimeLurker

            I assume you’re trying to be somehow insulting with this “to quote you” thing?

            Anyway, almost every time you respond to me, you ignore my main point, why is that?

            As I said further down, I’m pretty sure you’re now arguing just for the sake of it.

            Maybe consider turning your observational skills to why you feel the need to do that.

            • Liberated

              Clams seem to do the “repeating what you say” crap.

              They do it to stall for time so they can try to come up with something clever to say. Don’t they know it doesn’t work and they look like complete idiots.

            • LongtimeLurker

              If he’s not a clam, I feel even worse for him.

              Because that would mean he thinks he’s actually an effective communicator and that he’s “winning” these discussions.

            • Liberated

              Well if he is a clam…I bet he thinks he’s making it go right.

      • do you also drive in the opposite direction on the freeway?

    • Liberated

      Also, they seem to come around during busy times…holidays, presidential elections.
      Wednesday night they were out in full force.

    • LongtimeLurker

      They fuckin’ love me.

    • everchangingmeezer (wogsy)

      4chanparty whatever is not a troll. It’s funny when new posters start calling long time posters trolls just because they haven’t posted in awhile. Maybe consider getting off the Internet so you don’t OCD on posts – that’s when you start seeing things.

      Eta: sorry that came off snarky, but just my recommendation…

    • Robert Eckert

      4chan has a history here, if a spotty one. He’s from one of the more noxious subsets of Anonymous, not OSA or anything like that.

  • Newiga

    Really, 2016? Really? R.I.P Leonard Cohen. 🙁

    • Frodis73

      I know…I want to just quit this year already. For all the Cohen fans here, the New Yorker has a great story about him up. I’d link if I could, but it should be easy to find.

      • LongtimeLurker
        • Frodis73

          Yes, that is the one. Thanx hon!! Perfect, yet sad, note to end the night on.

          • LongtimeLurker

            My pleasure.

            Will go read it now.

        • MarcabExpat

          I read that when it came out, it was terrific. But I immediately thought: He better not be about to do a Bowie. (And then he did.)

          • LongtimeLurker

            …sigh…

      • Newiga

        There’s over a month to go. 🙁 I’m hoping to end the year on a positive note but seems a bit unlikely after the week we’ve had.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      2016 is the champion of crappy years. *sigh* 🙁

      • LongtimeLurker

        I just changed all my online gaming names to “Worst. 2016. Ever.”

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I don’t recall a year that has just been trash from beginning to end. We’ve had years where bad things happened but geez, this year feels like some kind of endurance test.

      • Newiga

        Can’t argue with that… Can move on to 2017 already?

  • Jack99
    • Juicer77

      I really appreciate that Chris looks at this from many angles, including his own faulty thinking. He’s honest and a stand-up guy.

  • Eliza Doolittle

    *Desperately claws around in the dirt for reasons not to hate everybody*

    • Mymy88

      LOL I hear you. I’m clawing to try to understand why some people I love very much are kicking me while I’m down? It’s not self pity, it’s just like… a monster has just been elected, don’t they see that? An “I hope you are wrong” from them would make me happy, but instead I get “you are wrong” case closed. Meh.

      • Eliza Doolittle

        That really sucks. x

        Hang tough and stick to what you know is right. You’re not alone.

      • Juicer77

        Also, try to focus on the people who want to have an honest, open-minded discussion (whatever their voting choice was). These are the people who will make a difference in the coming years.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I’m pretty happy* about how several people who were very infrequent commenters here seem suddenly emboldened to start spouting right wing political BS, on a site they know leans left.

        Rude. Gutless. Malicious. Not Classy.

        *Not actually that happy.

        • Eliza Doolittle

          Yeah, it’s pissed me right off too.

          There’s no fucking escape *lights the flaming torch*

        • pluvo

          Yes, and someone who after a term of bating didn’t show up anymore after wallowing in gratification with a lol-ing and I-won spree.

          To reply to Douglas – who told that the consequences of lost healthcare would be that his sick wife would die – that he should be happy for the election result is showing what character is under the polite surface.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Yeah. That was…not good.

            sigh

        • Mymy88

          I can’t comment because I can’t even find the dude’s original post. Where is it? Sometimes Disqus makes shit disappear and come back so who knows? I would like to see it.

    • Juicer77

      f5 Here’s a pretty photo I took in a little village. Come in and I’ll put the kettle on. I have homemade chocolate cake. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e8abe4a650ee2c1d635629a398509044aa257aa8c463ea82a5641fe10bda582b.jpg

      • Eliza Doolittle

        Three of my favourite things. Do you have a pet I can squish?

        x

        • Juicer77

          Cat or dog. Your choice. Or both!! They love the snuggles.

          • Eliza Doolittle

            You have both?!

            I’m actually genuinely coming to live with you..

            • Juicer77

              Anytime! You have to clean your own room, though, and will be assigned your share of chores. 😉

            • Eliza Doolittle

              Do ‘chores’ translate as predominantly cuddling the cat and the dog?

            • Juicer77

              Lol.

    • LongtimeLurker
      • Eliza Doolittle

        A wombat!! 😀
        I knew I was onto something …
        *heart face*

        Not everything in Australia is deadly and/or terrifying.

        • LongtimeLurker

          No. There’s like 3 nice things.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Beer, Beaches & Wombats? 🙂

            • Eliza Doolittle

              Haha

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Not gonna lie, right now, I’d move just for those three things. LOL

            • Eliza Doolittle

              Same. What more do you need?

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
            • LongtimeLurker

              I like the conecpt of the beach. I just don’t go.

              But yeah, we’ll throw that in.

              Although a lot of the deadly things are near or on them.

          • Eliza Doolittle

            You’re home to the Quokka as well, aren’t you?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Okay 4.

              I was thinking kangaroos (although the big ones can beat the crap out of a person), koalas, wombats. Plus quokkas.

              Maybe some birds? Probably no more than 10 non-deadly / nice things though.

            • (((dagobarbz)))

              Cockatoos!

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’ve got those right outside. Well, not now, its dark.

            • (((dagobarbz)))

              It’s the ones you don’t see that’ll getcha!

          • (((dagobarbz)))

            But…I like snakes, spiders and crocodiles!

            • LongtimeLurker

              : (

            • (((dagobarbz)))

              Careful, or I shall taunt you with a platypus! (wearing gloves, of course)

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’m okay with those guys. To look at, from a distance.

            • (((dagobarbz)))

              Have you actually ever seen one?

              Wanna trade for an armadillo?

  • Mymy88

    I haz a sad and I’m too tried to try to keep explaining it. What do you do at that point? Why don’t people I care about understand how horrible it is that Trump has been elected? Is it me?

    • Juicer77

      I hear you. It’s ok to feel sad, angry, horrified, scared, whatever. Just try not to let it overwhelm you. Seriously – if you need to, talk to a counselor or therapist or just email me. 😉 We as citizens are in for a tough couple of years “riding herd” on Trump. But we will get through it.

      • Mymy88

        Okay thanks. You are a very thoughtful person. I’ll send you an email but it’s going to be from a different email account. I hate using Gmail.

        • Juicer77

          No problem. I will be doing a lot of walking the next couple of days so will answer when I can. 🙂 Hugs.

      • Ann B Watson

        Riding sidekick with you will get me through it😇

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Because they got their way and they don’t care about our whining. Also, I think even some of his supporters have election fatigue and are just tired of talking about it. Rather than hoping they’ll understand, perhaps deciding how you’re going to get through this would be better. Yeah, it may sound a little selfish but I was given this exact same advice: Maybe it’s time you took care of just you. ; )

      I’m here if you want to talk. ❤️

      • Mymy88

        Thank you for your kind words. You’re probably right. I just need to drop it for a while because it feels like I’m banging my head against a wall.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I can SO relate to that feeling. I’m surrounded by people who voted for that asshat. *hugs*

          • Ann B Watson

            Big Hugs & Love To You.💘🌹🌸🌷⚡️🌌

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Same to you Ann, I hope you’re doing okay up there. ❤️✌️❤️

            • Ann B Watson

              I am still basking in the Sun just not on all cylinders some days.Love your posts always seek them out.Saints!💘💖🏈

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              WHODAT!! Geaux Tigers!! (Something we can actually get excited about) 😊

              So happy to see you around these parts love. Hope the family is doing well. Send them my love. ❤️❤️❤️

            • Ann B Watson

              Hi Angel,Thank you I have all my Saints stuff and those bracelets that say Faith for them & my Tigers 2017 maybe a really good yr if we get a great coach.Coach O is a hoot,but there are others.The family is fussing over who gets to the granola first.I have a first cousin Violet who won’t share.💖💗💞🌺🌼🌸🏈🍾🍷🧀

  • coonellie

    OT. Been thinking long and hard about Trump getting the electoral vote and almost the popular vote (slimmest margin in history). I don’t believe it was a vote for Trump. I believe it was a vote against Clinton. And not just HRC, but also WJC. If Sanders had been the candidate I think the race would have been different. Having voted for George Washington I suppose I can’t really say anything, except that the America I thought existed expired a long time ago. I used to think we were above corruption and graft. Silly me.
    I just hope a civil war doesn’t erupt. I’m too old for pitchforks.
    My last thought…may God have mercy on America.

    • Chee Chalker

      I agree that it was a vote against HRC.
      So now the question is why the DNC allowed the Clintons to push her onto the ticket?
      Sanders absolutely would have been a more palatable candidate for Republicans who did not want to vote for Trump.
      But not HRC. The scars run too deep with the Clintons. There’s too much history there.
      The major issue is the SCt nominees.
      I wonder how this will impact the Clintons moving forward, particularly with their foundation.
      They are a couple of lame ducks. They won’t have any real power left. So this will be interesting.
      IMO Bill will always be in demand as a speaker.

      HRC not so much.
      On the one hand I feel sorry for her that she has always been in Bill’s shadow and it looks like that is not changing any time soon.

      On the other hand I think she knows her popularity is questionable. Yet she feels it is her destiny (her right?) to be the first female president. It will be interesting to see how history treats her.

    • Mymy88

      At first I wanted to object to what you said about people voting for Trump as a vote against Clinton, but I have to wonder how many people were on the fence or would have crossed over to her side later on if she had not slammed the door on them when she referred to people who supported Trump as deplorables?

      • coonellie

        I’ve asked friends who actually voted for Trump this same question. The majority said it came down to the Supreme Court vacancy. They also told me they would have never voted for Trump but voted against HRC because of the vacant seat. I could see their point.

        As for the deplorable statement, I see that in almost every media tweet…whoever voted Trump is deplorable. Glad I voted for George Washington!

    • (((dagobarbz)))

      May Americans have mercy on America.

      • coonellie

        Americans seem to have lost the capacity for mercy. Mercy is not getting what you deserve. We seem to be getting exactly what we deserve. Makes me sad beyond reason.

  • coonellie

    OT again…I think I need to retread the The Screwtape Letters.

  • LongtimeLurker

    OT
    The Election

    Spare a thought and shed a tear for the real loser…

    Alec Baldwin.

    He’ll be trapped doing his Donald Trump impersonation on Saturday Night Live for at least 4 more seasons.

    (suggested by @Midnight)

    • Mymy88

      Well that’s his fault! He shouldn’t have been so good at it! LOL

      • LongtimeLurker

        ikr?

  • LongtimeLurker

    NEW POST UP

  • (((dagobarbz)))

    “…did the Daily Mail sort of not very shyly suggest that Hubbard had a breakaway leader bumped off?”

    That “new, independent church” seeking to use the Scientology trademark…they better watch their backs!
    I think the cult still has some fangs left.