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After Scientologist is outed, leaders he fooled still stick up for his quack drug theories

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Rod Keller’s story last week kicked up a bit of a fuss, and so he’s back with a follow-up…

Last week’s article on Scientologist John Bitinas’ anti-drug presentation at Westside Christian High School in Tigard, Oregon prompted one reader to contact school officials, and they forwarded the reply to the Underground Bunker.

Our school held an assembly on Wednesday, October 19 put on by Tigard Turns the Tide, This is a community organization working in association with local, state, and government agencies all of whom have a shared goal of stopping drug and alcohol abuse among teenagers. Tigard Turns the Tide puts on community-wide presentations on drug and alcohol issues, as well as safe driving issues.

I became aware that this organization had put on an event for parents and students on texting and driving that was very effective. I reached out to them with the intention of having them come do the same presentation at an assembly for us. The day that they came to do their assembly, they instead brought in the speaker you mentioned and talked on drug and alcohol use, rather than on texting while driving. I spoke with the coordinator afterwards and expressed my surprise and disappointment that the agreed-upon topic and speaker were not what ultimately was presented.

While I was unhappy with the change in focus and speaker, I don’t believe that anything shared that day was inherently unbiblical. The speaker shared a personal story of struggles with alcohol and spoke about some of the reasons why people make choices to abuse drugs and alcohol. He talked about boredom, about the cycle of pain, self-medicating, and guilt and how hard it is to break the cycle once addicted. He encouraged students to make wise choices and to be future-focused. He did not share or recommend any potential treatments nor did he share any significant data.

We endeavor to be very careful about the speakers we bring in to chapel to share the truths of scripture and address theological and biblical topics, although this was considered an assembly held in lieu of chapel (we didn’t have our regular chapel schedule that day). Our desire is to challenge and encourage our students to grow in their faith through chapel opportunities to hear from like minded believers, but occasionally when our weekly schedule is such that we are unable to have a regular chapel time, we use the opportunity to provide information assemblies such as this one.

I am sure you can understand that despite our vigilance, occasionally situations such as the one which happened recently do occur. I assure that you we will be very careful in the future to vet all potential speakers as best we can to assure that they hold to the same tenets of faith held by our school.

 
It’s true that Tigard Turns the Tide switched speakers, bringing in John Bitinas at the last minute. TTT, as it is known, is a non-Scientology related tax-exempt 501(c)(3) organization that brings together parents and educators, and is funded in large part by a Drug Free Communities grant from the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy. They sponsored a driving safety event in cooperation with the Tigard Police Department at Tigard High School in October.

 
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I spoke with Marie Watkins, Coalition Director of TTT, who confirmed her involvement in bringing Bitinas to Westside Christian, and that he was paid by TTT for the presentation. She explained how she was introduced to Bitinas.

The assembly speaker for Westside Christian School, John Bitinas, was recommended by a member of the Sherwood Rotary Club, a credible source who heard the presentation and thought it would be appropriate for students. The presentation provided by Mr. Bitinas was about drug and alcohol prevention education. There was no mention of Scientology in the speaker’s biography, nor any mention of Scientology in his presentation to the students.

 
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Watkins has declined to identify the Sherwood Rotary Club member who recommended Bitinas, and the club president has not responded to an inquiry. The Sherwood Rotary Club was probably the connection that led to Bitinas’ recent anti-drug presentation at the Portland Pearl Rotary Club. That club has since removed photos of Bitinas and this post from their Facebook page.

 
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When presented with a photo of Bitinas presenting the Emotional Tone Scale at Westside Christian, Watkins offered a surprisingly forceful defense.

 
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Mr. Bitinas’ presentation was focused on substance abuse prevention education, not theories of Scientology. He was not explaining how to predict a person’s behavior at any given moment, as I have come to find the theory of the tone scale suggests. In this photo Mr. Bitinas was explaining the correlation between substance abuse and behavior. Note in the photo the drawing of the green dots and lines, which indicate the roller-coaster of emotions that substance use brings with it’s high’s of use and withdrawals; a known behavioral cycle in the world of substance abuse addiction. The underlining of the word “boredom” was followed by an explanation of … ‘if this is where risky behaviors can start, how do we keep ourselves from falling down that path?’ … Mr. Bitinas’ answer … by creating goals for ourselves; personal goals, academic goals, professional goals, athletic goals, etc. to safeguard and build protective factors around the individual at risk.

The roller-coaster analogy that addicts go up and down the Tone Scale is nearly always a part of a Narconon anti-drug presentation, as this photo from Narconon Moscow shows.

 
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A former Narconon staff member says the purpose of using of the Emotional Tone Scale in anti-drug presentations is to introduce the audience to Scientology through stealth. “It is to gain favor and agreement, to open doors to slowly integrate other Hubbard methods until someone is using Scientology in their life way more than they realize or would ever care to admit. Additionally, a small percentage will ‘reach’ for more, at which point he’ll recommend some books by Hubbard, including Clear Body, Clear Mind and continue ‘disseminating’ to do basic Life Improvement courses. It is never ending.”

 
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The Tone Scale is one of the central theories of Scientology. It was first published in the 1951 book Science of Survival, by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard during his time in Wichita, Kansas with Don Purcell and during his divorce from Sara Northrup Hubbard. It is the second book of the “Basics,” and Scientology offers a course in its study. It is a transitional book between Dianetics and the later formation of Scientology as a religion. It briefly introduces the eight dynamics of life, the duality of MEST and Theta, the ARC Triangle, and hints at the belief in past lives that would dominate Hubbard’s research in the future.

 
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The remainder of the book is a handbook for auditors concerning the Tone Scale, a ranking and numbering of human conditions based on desirability organized into the gigantic Hubbard Chart of Human Evaluation. Column 3 holds the definitions for each level from 4.0 down to 0.1 on Emotion, called the Emotional Tone Scale. Amusingly, Bitinas misspelled Grief in his presentation, and switched its position with Fear.

Hubbard’s theory is that a person maintains the same “chronic” tone across all areas of their life. They may present a false front social tone, but the chronic tone will be consistent in all areas of their life. From Science of Survival: “Subtle, patient questioning, perhaps over many hours, will be necessary before the auditor will be justified in feeling that he has truly discovered the chronic tone level of the preclear in each of these columns.” Above 2.0 is defined as the levels of the analytical mind, while those below 2.0 are the realm of the reactive mind. The process of auditing removes engrams from the reactive mind, so the purpose of auditing is to raise the tone level of the PC, or pre-clear.

An auditor is expected to be able to immediately identify the tone level of their PC, and this is noted at the beginning, during and at the end of an auditing session. A former Scientologist says “Auditors and other students have to learn the Tone Scale by heart – reciting it to a wall for hours and hours until they have it up and down. The supervisor or twin should be able to say ‘2.0’ and you must be able to state the tone level, and also answer questions like ‘how would a person at 1.5 communicate?'”

The Tone Scale is the start of the concept of the social vs. the anti-social personality, which led the codification of the Potential Trouble Source (PTS) and Suppressive Person (SP). It is used as a business tool by the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises, or WISE. It is used by Scientology’s salespeople, or Registrars to sell more courses. It is used by Scientology Volunteer Ministers, by the Scientology prison group Criminon, and it enters the vocabulary of Scientologists. A source says “You will often hear people referring to others as ‘he’s 1.1’ or saying ‘oh boy, that guy is really antago (antagonistic).’ You’ll also hear Scientologists saying ‘she got really griefy’ – they don’t use the word ‘cry’ – it’s ‘grief’ as that’s a tone level.”

 
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The scale was later expanded up to tone 40, or Serenity of Beingness and down to -40, Total Failure. Non-Scientologists are not generally exposed to the levels below 0.0, or Body Death. “This has to do with the spirit – not a body – and many people think they ARE the body, so that would be a problem,” says a former member. Scientology organizations around the world teach the expanded Tone Scale, as seen in this lecture at a Scientology mission in Taiwan.

 
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For Westside Christian High School, this appears to be the end of Scientology’s involvement in educating students about drug abuse. A spokesperson says “At this time, we would not consider having him back. I am not sure what I think about whether or not he should have made his affiliation known, since he was not supposed to be addressing theological issues, but instead was to be presenting a facts-based talk. Personal religious views should not be shared in a presentation such as that, unless one discloses one’s intention prior to finalizing speaking agreements.”

— Rod Keller

 
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  • PickAnotherID

    Well, at least the school official seems to finally get it, even if the Rotary people don’t.

    Why’s my coffee late? Whatta ya mean the clocks got set back last night? Who’s idiot idea was that?

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    • Bavarian Rage

      Enjoy your extra hour of “Fall Back”, my daylight savings friends. I shall reserve my gloating for the much dreaded “Spring Forward” time that awaits you in six months.

      ML, From my special corner of the world (depicted in white – f5) that refused to submit to DST!

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      • Cedilla

        ” I shall reserve my gloating for the much dreaded “Spring Forward” time that awaits you in six months.”

        Dear Bavarian Rage,
        EST you.
        Yours truly, Werner E.
        🙂

  • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

    OSA, OSA
    When did you last see your children play?

    Remember

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  • Panopea Abrupta

    A good news morning – busted, Mr. Bitinas.

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    Very well done, Rod Keller
    Your reports are surely stellar
    Ole DM is laid bare
    And $ci must beware –
    Rod’s a most perspicacious feller.

    DM is worried – he’s heard that time wounds all heels.

  • Jack99
    • Jack99

      Or, to misquote Michael Douglas from Wall Street: Grief is good.

  • PickAnotherID

    I’m always struck by what’s not on that stupid scale of Hubbard’s: (f5)
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    • Techie

      I’ve said it before but… The whole scale is a scale of affinity. So it is all about love, from top to bottom. To Hubbard love was a “degree of distance between two people”. The ultimate Love for Hubbard is at the top of the scale, Serenity of Beingness. That’s where you feel like you are one with the other. Being one with another to Hubbard was to have total control over the other, which is the skill that you practice with the “shouting at ashtrays” in the Upper Indoctrination Training Routines. You learn to have such twinned beingness with another that you can order anything and the other will instantly want to comply and will comply without hesitation. That to Hubbard was the ultimate love. All me, no you. At the end of the talk with Jon Atack from yesterday he explained it better than I have ever heard it. Basically Hubbard was missing the part of the brain that makes you feel another’s pain, to share joy, to see what is happening to someone else as though it was happening to you. I think that also makes it possible to look in awe at natural phenomena like a sunset. To a fully complete human, these natural phenomena make you feel wonder, humility, love for nature. Hubbard just thought about his own domination. “Above it all, below me lay the world.. Detached, my mind reasoned…” No awe, no wonder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7IeTrYuig4

      • PickAnotherID

        That’s just…ummmm…’sick’ isn’t strong enough. It’ll come to me…

        • Techie

          Yes it is sick, and hard to understand for a normal human. But you have to understand it to break free of it.

          • PickAnotherID

            It seems like this Jane-ism would apply to Hubbard big time, “I’m completely uninhabited.”

      • Missionary Kid

        Just curious, but where does LRH explicitly connect affinity with love?

        • Techie

          He did not understand love at all. He thought affinity had fewer connotations of romantic love so he used that word instead. Affinity in the sense of “degree of liking” which can be connoted as “degree of closeness” therefore love. The Affinity-Reality-Communication triangle is often used as a signoff to a letter for example, or you can say “Much Love”

          • Missionary Kid

            My question actually is, did LRH specifically use the term love?

            Is your statement Affinity in the sense of “degree of liking” which can be connoted as “degree of closeness” therefore love. your interpretation?

            Maybe I’m being picky, but I believe that the connection between affinity and love is one assumed by people who have fallen under LRH’s thrall, but he didn’t use the term love.

            • Techie

              He did use it, not often but you get the idea. Like the marriage counseling where you try to “raise affinity” to repair the marriage. In Hymn of Asia there is a section about the Dynamics where he uses the word love instead of the phrase “urge to exist as”. He signed all his letters with Love, Ron.

            • Draco

              You mean his staff signed his letters with Love, Ron ;P

            • Missionary Kid

              Probably because I’ve never been a $cientologist, my definition of affinity means, at the most, intense liking.

              I would say that LRH redefined affinity to mean whatever he wanted (like he did with a lot of words). As a wog, I would probably never, equate affinity with love. I would say that affinity is a part of love, but love is not necessarily a part of affinity.

              An example: I have a strong affinity for my car. It is comfortable, fast enough, and gets me reliably wherever I need to go. I wouldn’t say that I love my car: I look at it as a nice way to get somewhere.

              I really admire your insights and history of $cientology, but I guess that I’m trying to point out that when the rest of the world reads the tone scale, it sees no love at all, and that you, as a former $cientologist, interpret “love” to be there implicitly.

              It’s another barrier that Hubbard erected to keep people from using terms that have the same meaning between different people. It isolates $cientologists from the rest of the world, as he worked hard to do.

              For me, to raise affinity in marital counseling, would mean that a person would like the other person better, or get along with them better, but that wouldn’t ever mean that the couple would again find love for each other.

              Why do I think it’s important to explicitly use the term love? Because I look at it as another example of LRH trying to suppress feelings. (Except for admiration for him).

            • ithilien

              I think affinity means similarity. Similar thinking, behavior and acts. Common goals Hive mentality

            • Missionary Kid

              sizzle8 looked it up in the Tech Dictionary, and love was in there, and in the first entry, it has love. I looked it up in several English dictionaries, and none had the word love in it.
              http://tonyortega.org/2016/11/06/after-scientologist-is-outed-leaders-he-fooled-still-stick-up-for-his-quack-drug-theories/#comment-2988110426

            • Moonshot

              LRH and Scientology generally considers the “wog” idea of “love” to be “abberation.” That is why it is not on the “Tone Scale.” To them it does not exist except as a “reactive” manifestion. Something coming from a “engram” or a chemical response in their “meat body.” The “shore story” (ie acceptable lie will that fit the apparent facts to the ignorant wog) or answer that Scientologists might give to a wog is something along the lines that Love is associated with Affinity. But that is not what they really believe. This belief system (or unbelief system, if you will) enables the “ethics officer” to readily divide families, friends, and close business associates when desired because any emotional bond is not to be considered sane or of value.

            • Missionary Kid

              Exactly. It’s all a part of the mindfuck that LRH promulgated. Using redefinition of terms was part and parcel of the insidious evil.

              You have described exactly the mechanism that was used to separate and disorientate people in $cientology and keep them in a state of confusion that would make them more malleable to control.

            • Moonshot

              Indeed. When in Scientology, one must develop sort of a forward looking PTSD. You might have a strong liking or respect for another person. Any family relation (even your own parent or child), a friend, a coworker, a boss, etc. But you can never Love that person or say, hey “hey, i love that guy, he’s my buddy until the day i die.” Like a rotational soldier wading throught the rice paddies of vietnman in 1968, you never know when one of your fellow soldiers are going to step on a landmine or get rotated out of your platoon. So you condition yourself to the loss of your fellows before it even happens. In Scientology, one of your closest mates might go rogue or get declared at any time. So everyone important in your life is ever only a conditional bond that may need to be severed at any time when the “Command Intentioners” decree it be so.

            • ExCult.Jan

              Powerfully stated!

              “forward looking PTSD”
              Thank you, Moonshot!

            • Missionary Kid

              The specter of that psychological disconnection is recorded in all sorts of war journals, especially during WWII and after. Pilots in units learned to insulate themselves against the idea that a person sleeping next to you may be gone tomorrow.

              In $cientology, former staff and sea org that appear here often wonder, “What happened to _______?” Once a person leaves a post, they “disappear” psychologically. I believe it’s the same type of mental self-deception at work.

            • Moonshot

              Yes, exactly what i was referring to. It’s a little easier if its just a fellow co-working or something like that. With a parent or child or super close friend i’m sure it takes a bit more work to self-justify it. In any case, its a shitty way to live.

              And in a funny way, it also feeds into and strengthens the Bunker Mentality. All those evil SP’s out there have forced you to disconnect (i.e. sacrifice, as in the pagan concept) all these people. Therefore any repressed self-hate you may have from abandoning them, you can then throw at and focus on the “enemies of the Church.”

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s an excellent point, and a case of displaced anger. Instead of being angry at oneself or at $cientology for tearing the person away, the anger is directed at the person who left.

            • Hierophant2

              Of course love is a chemical reaction. So are all the other emotions on the tone scale. If love is disqualified because of that, then the whole tone scale is equally disqualified.

            • Moonshot

              True of course, but that is not worldview of a Scientologist. To them, they are a Thetan. A spiritual entity that is merely using the meat-body as a calling card in this universe which has no more imortance to them than an important tool. Any feelings or emotions emmenating from “the body” are a thing of degradation for a Thetan as only the feelings and emotions of the Thetan are of importance. In the fallen state of Thetans on this planet (their view), they are “trapped” in these meat-bodies and the whole point of “going OT” is to re-exalt the state of a Thetan to where it is no longer subject to meat-bodies and the cycle of life and death.

            • Draco

              One of his definitions for affinity was “a willingness to occupy the same space”. I seem to remember him saying something about affinity also being a “higher toned” emotion than love, which is why he didn’t like using the word love. He seemed to consider love to be an “aberrated” thing between a man and woman.

            • Missionary Kid

              I also look at love as being separate from affinity. To me, affinity would be a part of love, but not vice-versa.

              Of course, LRH would consider love to be an “aberrated” thing between a man and woman. That way, he could break them up much more easily.

              If it weren’t for love, the Headleys wouldn’t have reunited after they escaped, for example.

            • I see Hubbard as a man with a severe personality disorder that robbed him of empathy.

              Religions are typically concerned with living a good life, and treating you fellow humans as you would have them treat you. Empathy is central to this proposition – to follow that advice you have to able to put yourself in another’s place.

              Psychologists call this ability (which is more-or-less wired-in to a healthy human mind) ‘theory of mind’ – the instinctive, unquestioned, understanding that other people have a consciousness, feelings and motives just as you do.

              When Hubbard decided to present himself as a ‘religious’ guru, he had to do something along those lines – but simply didn’t understand the “greater love hath no man than this…” thing. At all. There was something wrong with his wiring, or his early experience had shorted out important parts of it.

              Instead, he wrote about the warped way in which he understood human relationships – as a struggle for domination. People who did have empathy read all kinds of things into this that were not there, because they could not understand how a man who was apparently so high-minded could be utterly lacking in human feeling. Scientologists and their guru were talking past each other.

              He got away with so much because people simply could not understand that he was really not like them on a fundamental level. They read things into words and behaviour, and excused him. When they did realise what he was, they were neutralised and discarded with a casual efficiency that is only possible for someone who who sees others not as people but as deployable agents.

            • Missionary Kid

              Exactly. He got away with much, too, because he redefined terms, IMO. I believe that substituting the word affinity for love is one of them.

              “Greater love hath no man…” is out-exchange, isn’t it? (Unless, of course, it’s for $cientology).

            • It is, however my definition of love – would you protect this person with your own body? Anything less is still valid, but it’s not love.

              Hubbard did nothing that did not advance his own interests. He did not even understand the concept.

            • daisy

              You are such a lovely man

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. He defined everything so that it fit his own little purposes. I don’t think, as a narcissist, that he liked the word love.

            • ExCult.Jan

              Except as the recipient.

            • Missionary Kid

              Perfect.

            • ithilien

              But it was easy to see him for what he was. It was easy to discern he was not high minded. The attraction he had for others was based in their own fauty wiring. Affinity

            • Was it, in those confused post-war years when anything seemed possible and idealistic people uncritically accepted ideas that promised them a new mission and the prospect of ‘winning the peace’.

              It is easy to see him for what he is, now. Back then people made the mistake of seen him as they desperately wanted him to be. It’s all in the historical context.

            • ExCult.Jan

              Perhaps it was magnified ‘back then’, but “as they desperately wanted him to be” is a universal piece of the puzzle when (us) ex-cultists individually look back to understand WTF happened.

            • It is interesting that at least in a few instances he basically survived as a con man (his boat buying scheme, for example), as much of his thinking seems to match quite well the instrumental view of others con men (and sociopaths) have. He seemed to have the same lack of empathy, and view of others as a means to an end, that you find in those who succeed in surviving by defrauding others. Sadly, he took that mindset and convinced a number of people it was not an aberration, but an ideal.

            • The reason we are discussing him now is that an organisation grew around him based on a set of rules and practices, and run according to an informal culture, which reproduced both Hubbard’s unhealthy state of mind and itself.

              There were many con-men practising at the same time as Hubbard, but only he left behind an organisation in his own image, that still ‘behaves’ broadly as he would have done.

            • What is interesting is that he so open reproduced his own state of mind. Most con men, such as televangelist types, tend to strive to mimic more altruistic beliefs, to feign sympathy and compassion and the like. For the most part LRH did nothing of the kind, he simply rebranded his own attitudes in more positive ways. Then again, perhaps that was the appeal for some, being able to see relatively base, narcissistic attitudes as the pinnacle of human existence. Kind of like the extreme social Darwinists who argued that brutality and oppression were the natural and desirable state of existence.

            • sizzle8
            • sizzle8
            • Missionary Kid

              Thank you. I checked several online dictionaries, and none had the word love anywhere in their definitions. They had relationship, in terms of legal or blood relations, and all sorts of synonyms that implied liking, or being drawn to in an emotional or physics or chemistry usage. I also have one of those 6″ thick old fashioned school dictionaries. Same result.

              I won’t bother to go to my 7 volume 1890’s dictionary, but I’ll bet it has the same result.

              To me, this is another example of Hubbard’s redefinition of a word. It’s subtle, but it definitely makes a difference when a clam is speaking with a wog. It leads to MU’s, as a $cientologist would put it.

          • Peter

            Yes, you can say it. But doing so, without comprehension, is just a knee jack response.

          • Missionary Kid

            sizzle8 cited the Tech Dictionary. There, it’s a part of the first definition. You’re right, as far as $cientology is concerned. Nowhere in a search of online and real-life dictionaries did I find the word love used, even as a synonym or a sentence to illustrate usage.

            The mindfuck was often subtle with LRH.

      • Bavarian Rage

        Thanks for shedding light on how “affinity” is sold to (potential) Scientologists. In my opinion, affinity is another example of word def hijack, such as “ethics”, for which Scientology is famous. Because in the wog world, I’d argue that nothing is higher than pure, untainted Love – affinity doesn’t even come close.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Hey Bruce,

        Can you email me, I have to ask you about an old Gold also “techie” staffer.

        chuckbeatty77@aol.com

    • Bavarian Rage

      Yes, so much to marvel at (cough…mock) at the absurdity of the tone scale. Hate more uptone than resentment, for example?! Pretty sure old Hubs came up with this “written diarrhea” in less 5 minutes on a piece of toilet paper if you catch my drift.

      • PickAnotherID
        • Bavarian Rage

          Yep…you got it! I was trying to dance around resorting to “potty mouth” but sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade!

      • Peter

        I would think, based on other parts of it, that hate over resentment would be correct. It’s much more “action” oriented. “Resentment” often remains hidden, thus lower toned.

        • Bavarian Rage

          Thanks for your perspective I hadn’t considered and can appreciate. Perhaps I should have selected one of the more obviously wrong “tones” that is listed below hate. (In my life philosophy, however, I still find raw hatred lower than resentment – but hey, that’s just me.)

        • ithilien

          Just saw your post after making my similar post. Yes i think hate motivates action, but resentment is inward turned

      • Fred G. Haseney

        I can’t help but be reminded of the fact that L. Ron Hubbard, the kidnapper, wrote The Science of Survival while hiding in Cuba from his second wife. There, he informed her that he had cut up the body of their daughter and that Sara would find those body parts floating in a river. L. Ron Hubbard’s philosophy: More Hate, Less love.

      • ithilien

        Do you think hate was more uptone because it might create action, whereas resentment has a lid on it?

    • Aharon Friedman

      That is because Lafey H did not understand love. He never experienced it or felt it.

    • grundoon

      Hubbard replaced love with two much weaker words, affinity and admiration. For him, admiration was the pinnacle.

      29. … any beingness, any thing, is better than no thing, any effect is better than no effect, any universe better than no universe, any particle better than no particle, but the particle of admiration is best of all.
      – L. Ron Hubbard, THE FACTORS, April 23, 1953

      LRH explaining the “eight dynamics”…

      The second dynamic would be that one of the persistence of admiration in many forms in one’s own and the other’s universe. This admiration could take the form of sex, eating, or purely the sensation of creation such as sex and children. In the physical universe it would be that light emanation similar to sunlight.
      – L. Ron Hubbard, THIS IS SCIENTOLOGY, 1953

      Admiration is the very origin of life and the creative impulse:

      The most valuable part of an attention interchange is admiration. Admiration is a special particle. It is a universal solvent. It is the very substance of a communication line, and it is that thing which is considered desirable in the game of the three universes. Admiration goes into the interplay of the universes in the form of made-up objects or even in the form of bodies. These made-up objects could be called “creative pictures.” These, as they become more complex in form, take on the aspect of a life of their own and become animated beings….

      The goal of seeking attention is to receive the particle admiration. One creates effects simply in order to create effects, but he is given the bonus of admiration when he creates sufficient effect or, what is most important, when he demands, commands and is able to effect admiration by duress.

      It might be said that there was no eating until one was so furious about not being admired that one slew as a punishment. The tiger, walking through the woods with his beautiful stripes, it could be humorously offered, would never have eaten a thing and would not be eating today if some monkey had not chattered insults at him instead of admiring him. The tiger compelled the admiration of the monkey by pinning him down and eating him up. It can be observed that the eating of living flesh or live cells delivers a kind of admiration to the taste, and it can be observed that under torture, duress of all kinds, the tortured one will suddenly, if degradedly, admire his torturer.

      Energy pictures which we call “mock-ups” are created things which themselves contain admiration. It could be said that these are prior to bodies.

      The acquisition of admiration by pain, by eating, or by devouring something that belongs to somebody else was later succeeded by a better communications system which would prevent eating on such a rigorous scale. This thing was sex, which is an interchange of condensed admiration particles which forwards new bodies into being. So far as the body of homo sapiens is concerned, its desire not to be eaten has been answered evidently by sex, and sex performs the function of continued survival of form….

      A very basic uncertainty comes about on the subject of applause. High on the scale one performs for an effect and knows that it is an effect, whether or not there is any attention or admiration, which is to say applause. A little lower on the scale, one desires a nod or the actual substance of admiration. If it does not come, he is not concerned. But even lower on the scale the individual actively invites and requests applause. Lower than that, he becomes angry in the absence of applause. Lower than that, he exhibits fear, grief, and apathy in the lack of applause. Apathy is the realization that there will never be any applause for any effect.

      That which is not admired tends to persist, for the reactive mind does not destroy. One can become fixed upon producing a certain effect simply by insisting that it be admired. The longer it is not admired, the longer one is likely to persist in demanding that it be admired, which is to say exhibiting it, until at length it breaks down scale to a lower level and he realizes it will not be admired, at which time he becomes the effect of it. Here one has become the effect of one’s own cause.

      – L. Ron Hubbard, THIS IS SCIENTOLOGY, 1953

      NOTE: An operating thetan must also be able to manufacture particles of admiration and force in abundance.
      – L. Ron Hubbard, STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE 8, 1953

      The contest is between FORCE and ADMIRATION (sensation). Admiration dissolves force, force cancels admiration. Forbid the use of force, restrict the use of admiration and a thetan becomes powerless.
      – L. Ron Hubbard, ASSOCIATE NEWSLETTER No. 7, July 1953

      LRH explains why love does not belong on his tone scale…

      Love, if you have ever noticed, does not much care where it sits on the tone scale, as we find a young man deeply in love starving himself to death (a characteristic of apathy) and a young girl in love in a dreamy enthusiasm which makes her bloom. We find love used in Christianity about twelve feet below 0.0 and in New York precisely at 2.5 on the tone scale. Admiration is a particle which unites and resolves like the universal solvent all types of energy, particularly force. Hate coheses and hardens energy. Love is the human manifestation of admiration.
      – L. Ron Hubbard, VIEWPOINT PROCESSING, PAB #8, August 1953

    • Lady Squash

      AMEN!

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    I am out of town in a few minutes. I will make this short.

    The response from the school official seemed genuine and heartfelt.

    I will often hear people say, or read on the internet, that their introductory experience with some cult certainly didn’t seem cultish. Of course it didn’t seem cultish. If it did, no one would come back. What do they expect, a virgin being sacrificed on an altar? The first experiences are usually pretty mild.

    Let’s give credit where it is due. The Scientologists are anti-drug. The schools are anti-drug. It is a good match from that point of view and the Scientologists really do want to help the kids. That is where the credit ends.

    Some of the kids will remember a bit of what they heard. The tone scale, maybe the name L.Ron Hubbard, maybe the word narconon or drug rundown will stay with them. Or maybe they will run into the presenter somewhere else one day. Then step two occurs– finding the ruin. Step three is the personality or stress test then step four, an intro course. Does the presenter hand out a business card where he calls himself a counsellor? I would if I were doing that.

    Would a school official want HIS OWN SON OR DAUGHTER counselled about drugs by a guy whose primary job was selling dangerous psychological services?

    • Tracy Schmitz

      if it was free or cheap probably!..

      • Juicer77

        Their response states they were lazy and didn’t do the research but relied on someone’s recommendation.

    • pat k

      Lets stop anti- drug talk. The approach does not work. Nurturing our children’s ability to have good childhood experiences and stop instilling fear sounds like a better road ahead. Because continuing down a path that has not worked in the past does seem to be our smart move to change the future for these students. And our society is getting in serious need of a new approach.

  • OOkpik

    Bitinas was still successful in spreading the lie that drugs are stored in body fat and released later to screw people up. Good work, Bitinas!

    • chukicita

      Yes – especially since Westside’s spokesperson indicates they thought he was coming to give a “fact-based talk.”

      • OOkpik

        Sneaky, eh?
        He likely wouldn’t have missed the opportunity to hand out drug pamphlets too.

        • chukicita

          Also, I can totally see a pitch for coming back with Way to Happiness booklets.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        yeah, think this spokesperson TOOK THE TIME ON THEIR OWN TIME to actually find out not only that he was lied and conned ON PURPOSE to but that this “fact based talk” was ALSO B.S.?! or actually on their OWN TIME look into what scientology really is and does? no, too much work for them probably! sickening!..people like that should be reprimanded for laziness before, during and after such a incident!..shame on them!

    • Chewkacca

      Let’s say that drugs actually were stored in fat. They are STORED, not circulating around and affecting the brain. To get stoned, you would have to LOSE WEIGHT (fat) for the drugs to come out of storage and affect you. As long as you didn’t lose weight, the drugs wouldn’t affect you. Some of the fat may have been acquired from “the munchies” while stoned. THAT FAT, and no other, MIGHT contain some drug residues. The idea that sweating will make drugs come out of fat is ridiculously unscientific. The idea that taking oil to replace the fat “lost” while sweating is even more ridiculous. You lose water and salt, not fat while sweating.
      So HEY everybody, wanna get stoned? Just go on a diet! WAAAUUGN!

  • EnthralledObserver

    If you have to deceive to be accepted… well… you’re not really being accepted, are you?

    $cientology will never be accepted if it is completely honest. This must tear at the heart of every member once in a position that they must convince another of $cientology’s validity. Sad, really.

  • PickAnotherID

    Why do $cientologists equate “Tone 40 – Serenity of Beingness” (whatever that is) with yelling as loud as they can??
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    • Techie

      The yelling part also involves whispering and delivering the commands silently. The idea is to demonstrate that the physical sounds or words are not what gets the command across. It is all about “intention”, or as Crowley called it “will”. If you truly achieve Tone 40 oneness with the other, the commands will be complied to without hesitation or questioning. As though the two bodies have one mind. The ultimate in mind control. Good thing it is all hooey. The story is told of the “OTs” that were brought in to project mind control on the judge during the Portland case. And they actually believe that they brought down the Berlin Wall with their intentions.

      • PickAnotherID
      • kemist

        Is there a link between that and “Serenity of Beingness” ?

        I don’t know, but feeling the need to mind control others is not quite compatible with “serenity” to me.

        • Techie

          Yep, Tone 40 Intention and the “Serenity of Beingness” are the same thing. Like two bodies with one will – Hubbard’s will.

      • ExCult.Jan

        So if “[t]he ultimate Love for Hubbard is at the top of the scale”, and Tone 40 is “[t]he ultimate in mind control”, then for LRH Love = Mind Control, and all those letters “signed” by LRH as “Love, Ron” could more accurately be read as “Control your Mind, Ron”.

        edit: format fix

  • BosonStark

    In their ads, Scientology presents itself as everything — “Scientology is life” — and nothing. It’s just “simple tools.” Life is not simple tools, so which is it?

    It is anything they can use to ingratiate themselves into society in ways which keeps their membership fooled and coughing up money. Within Scientology, presentations like this one at the school are used to claim they are becoming increasingly influential and keeping millions off drugs.

    What starts out as vague in their propaganda gets specific when it comes to buying expensive courses, books and auditing, which is set up as a trap.

    Scientologists become so brainwashed they think they are leading the entire planet, through disguises and deception along with dynamic presentations, to a theocracy ruled by Scientology, where everyone will come under the thrall of the contradictory, often outlandish, and outdated ideas of L. Ron Hubbard.

    Before the Internet, people were easy to fool. Most people are trusting, and when something seems positive or helpful, they are willing to take a chance. With the Internet, it is simple to do a background search on a speaker and the organization he’s representing. Students could be doing this on their cell phones! They don’t need L. Ron Hubbard-based ideas on drugs.

    • PickAnotherID

      In a nutshell, $cientology lies. A lot. Then it lies about it’s lies.

      • BosonStark

        You’d think the Bible bunch would be sensitive to this difference. Except for certain hucksters, people like Jimmy Swaggart, people who believe the Bible is God’s word tend to be very upfront with what they belief and the basic precepts of their religion.

        As you mentioned, Scientologists are the opposite. They lie to others and themselves. Even if they know about Xenu, and he’s the reason you need Scientology, they are forbidden to talk about their origin story.

        • Missionary Kid

          Naw, the bible bunch only cares if something is according to their interpretation of the bible. The most extreme of them really don’t care about science or facts that exist apart from the bible, either.

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        That is why I call it Lyintology. A constellation of lies!

    • SarahDB

      Just saw a creepy Co$ ad attached to a YouTube video on Leah I wanted to watch, so slick and icky!

      • (((dagobarbz)))

        I saw a CCHR commercial on cable tv last week. I was shocked. SHOCKED, I tell you!

        • Missionary Kid

          What area do you live in, if you feel comfortable to tell us?

          • (((dagobarbz)))

            San Diego. But it was on cable, not broadcast.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    “I assure that you we will be very careful in the future to vet all potential speakers as best we can…”

    Bunker readership strikes again! Well done and thank you to the Bunkeroo who took the time to write to the school.

    Great job, Rod. I love your Sundays.

  • Tracy Schmitz

    how about the simple FACT that what he said WASN”T FACT/FACTS!… so i guess from now on, those who can have to ahead of time go to schools and organizations tell them to be wary in fact block scientology, tell them they will not mention scientology on purpose, tell them this is how they “lure” people in more and more and so on.. AND give them the entire backdrop of what this insidious thing is and does…

    • Juicer77

      You would think the Science and Chemistry teachers would be all over the bogus science of fat cells storing drugs for years!!

      • kemist

        From their insistance on “biblical” teaching, I have a feeling their science faculty isn’t quite up to par.

        When you’re used to teaching bullshit for ideological reasons, I’m not sure you’re equipped (or willing to expand efforts) to detect baloney from other sources.

        What guides you isn’t quite the desire to impart actual knowledge – it’s a desire to make your students conform to a certain ideology.

        That’s a big problem with a lot of drug education efforts : they’re manipulative, and don’t really care about the veracity of the information they transmit, as long as they think it can modify behavior. The problem with this is that when your target audience realizes you’ve bullshitted them, their trust in you will evaporate.

        And with the kind of access to information people have today, this will happen… A few minutes after they leave the room… If you’re lucky.

        • Missionary Kid

          You nailed it. I grew up in that environment.

        • Juicer77

          That could be true, but some religious schools are well known for their great science (fact and research based) curriculum. Just because they teach religious subjects doesn’t man they all refuse to teach legit science. I can only speculate that the more fundamentalist and controlling the religious group, the less fact-based the curriculum will be.

  • Bavarian Rage

    I feel for the school and appreciate their response with explanation. Completely understandable though slightly embarrassing oversight. (Who’d think you have to be suspicious of something as seemingly positive as an anti-drug lecture?) Too bad they had to learn the hard way. F5

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e75d979b88f8d63888ff3137b0b430f43697b9d05cb2ffaa15d0c56cea9770cb.jpg

    • Tracy Schmitz

      i would be AUTOMATICALLY AND INHERENTLY suspicious of some unknown guy representing some unknown organization/affiliation coming into a SCHOOL to talk about ANYTHING! looks like common sense is not common as they say..

    • ithilien

      They thought it was going to be an anti texting and driving lecture. Scam

  • Juicer77

    Thank you to whoever took the time to contact the school and bring up the subject. I’m glad they responded thorougly and will be more careful in future.
    Although I have one gripe – if chapel time can’t be fit in that week, how do they justify having a guest speaker? Generally chapel time in a Christian school is about 1 period (class session) long unless it’s for some really special occasion. Just makes me scratch my head a bit. Having a short prayer meeting or Bible study instead would be quicker and easier than bringing in a guest speaker.

    • gtsix

      We had this. Mass was tuesday, but to keep the class schedules similar we had a period on Thursday for lectures or civic work (cleaning the local parks, stuff like that).

    • dungeon master

      Good morning, Juicer! As a former student at a bible college, maybe I can explain this. We were immensely grateful whenever an alternate program occurred during chapel. See, there was church 2x on sundays (and weds night) and mandatory bible course 3x/week every semester plus mandatory chapel 5x/week usually with short devotional followed by a sermon. Sometimes we had political speakers, on rare, wonderful occassions we had a secular music performance. We still had the mini chapel before the program. Maybe once a year, they let us out after the devotional – woo hoo 20 minutes free time in the middle of the day! Even for the thoroughly churched, it’s nice to get a break once in a while, and I imagine it is hard to find different speakers 5 days a week for 9 months a year and keep the student body awake and interested just before or after lunch. I think the texting while driving presentation they asked for was relevant to all the students well-being, and therefore appropriate.

      • Missionary Kid

        I know exactly what you’re talking about. The secular, ordinary schools that I attended were a relief from the religion that permeated every aspect of my life at home. (My parents were the missionaries, if you don’t remember).

        • dungeon master

          🙂 I figured you’d know exactly what I was talking about, if you were around.

          • Missionary Kid

            For a long time, I could honestly say that I had more time in church than I had in bars, and I have spent a lot of time in bars. If I added to church time, the time spent at home in bible study and prayer, maybe my time in bars is still less.

            • dungeon master

              Even after all these years, I probably have more hours in church than all the alcohol I have consumed in my life(calculated in ounces per glass or bottle – lol). I don’t think I can comfortably drink enough in the years I have left to tip the balance. Interesting proposition, tho.

            • Missionary Kid

              I wasn’t always drinking in the bars. After I worked in alcoholism and saw all the hardcore alcoholics, I stopped drinking for a while. I discovered that by buying a soft drink, and tipping well, I kept the bartender happy, and they often gave me refills for free.

              I once wrote an essay on the parallels between a bar and church.

              Bars can have colored lights. Churches have stained glass to provide colored lighting.

              The bartender often acts as a confessor and sometimes, provides counseling.
              Instead of sacramental wine or grape juice (as my church provided) and bread, you get drinks and snacks at a bar.

              Instead of hymns in church, you have recorded music or a band in a bar.

            • ExCult.Jan

              And community. Maybe even more acceptance of one’s faults and failings than at church. People often sit in the same pew (bar stool) day/week after day/week. Keno instead of bingo. Gambling on one’s future. Oh, this is fun, MK!

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. I’ve lost the essay, but I’ll work on recreating it.

            • daisy

              I would like to read that essay if you stilll have it . I can give you my e-mail address.

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t have it, but I can gin one up. If you don’t want to put your email address out here in the Bunker, go back at least several days, reply to one of my comments, post it, then edit it. I’ll get your email address in my notification, but someone else that logs on to that date afterwards won’t see it.

            • daisy

              I do not want you to go out of your way, unless ginning is no trouble. I will send you my e-mail . Thanks Miss.

  • Kim O’Brien

    great job contacting the school , Bunker reader !! …and Tony’s follow up too . Now they will be more diligent …maybe use the google . I am SO glad that they know that our Bunker reader is paying attention now 😉

    Oregon reader saw something that they knew was harmful , reached out …educated the public …and stopped this from happening again so easily . He helped protect kids from scientology crap …in real life .

    You rock 🙂

    • ithilien

      Now if he could nly protect hem from the bullshit bible propaganda.

      • Kim O’Brien

        he’s not a miracle worker ( see what i did there ?? i made a funny jesus joke 😉

  • kemist

    What a weird reaction.

    They defend that guy, but remove all traces of his giving that presentation in their school. Mmmmm…

    • Aslan’s Own

      I think it was the Rotary Club, not the school, that erased info about his presentation to their group. But I could have misread it.

  • An unidentified member of a rotary club and facty-looking doodles on a whiteboard. Worth defending to the last tweet or webpage (until they go missing).

    Look, the way the fronts of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology sneaks in is to misrepresent and dissemble. Check out the stories of the deaths at narCONon if you’re in doubt where this particular road leads.

    • Juicer77

      We have to teach people to see which road they’re really on, not the fake one the Co$ tells you about.

  • downtherabbithole

    My blood pressure rises every time I read stories such as this. Even my medication won’t help now !

    I find it appalling and angers me to no end when Scientology exploits people who sincerely are trying to help others and make the world we all share a better place.

    I really need to find a way to channel my anger and compassion into some thing more productive.

    • PickAnotherID

      Before my arthritis slowed me down, I found hammering nails for Habitat helped a lot.

    • downtherabbithole

      Since Scientology has so many front groups, what aim does one take?

  • Draco

    Can you imagine an honest intro to their drug info:
    “Our information is based on the works of L Ron Hubbard, who referred to himself as Source, and who called Aleister Crowley his very good friend. Aleister Crowley’s pet name for himself was The Beast, also known as the Anti-Christ. Now, shall we continue?”

    • Juicer77

      “Oh, he also barely got his High School degree and lied about getting a college degree. Whatta guy!”

      • Draco

        But he did award himself a doctorate and called himself a Doctor of Scientology.
        That should allay any fears 😀

    • kemist

      ROFL ….

      They’d probably be huddled in fear after that.

    • MarcabExpat

      “Also, he identified himself as Lucifer at the highest, most secret original level of elite training. Carry on!”

    • LongtimeLurker

      “Also, our detox methods based on his writings have made people very sick, and may even have lead to deaths. Now scooch closer kids.”

    • grundoon

      Somebody has just run into one of the standard manifestations. They pick a pc off the street, you see, and they start running them and this pc gets the idea that… uh…. they’re the Prince of Darkness from Venus or someplace you see and that there’s a terrible plot out against everybody in Scientology. And everybody better be very very careful to put up force screens so that nothing like this can get in and so on.

      I’m going to send him back a letter. Uh… so… uh… you say you have some connection with the Prince of Darkness out there and you’re very worried about this. Who do you think I am?

      L. RON HUBBARD
      Philadelphia Doctorate Course
      1 December 1952

  • FredEX2

    According to the statement issued by the Christian School…they were not expecting Bitinas as a speaker that day and had no chance to vet him. ( I would have started out by vetting the ‘Tigard Turns the Tides’ group and see who’s on their board of directors and who their speakers are…but hey ) Though the statement seems defensive…these are people who IMHO tend to be trusting and somewhat sheltered and naïve. ( I certainly was when I was a Christian…) They may know to avoid ‘evil’…but haven’t really experienced dealing with an entity quite as determined and sneaky…and evil…as Scientology.

    When Scientology’s methods are to deliver their ‘tech’ in an enthusiastic way…and present their information as ‘factual’….it’s hard to comprehend the evil vortex behind it all…when you’re laughing and having fun.

    But there are countermeasures for their strategies.One of the best ways is the information and exposure that’s taking place now with documentaries about them, and series such as Leah’s next round of exposee’s. There are religious groups and conservative political organization’s that would take a big exception to Scientology…if they knew what they really think and do. Things like disconnection, breaking up families, forcing abortions, stalking, harassing threatening, violating the Constitutional rights of others they deem an ‘enemy’…destroying the lives of people they perceive as who may get in their way or critique them…even their pretense of being a ‘religion’ at all….while purporting to be champions of ‘Human Rights’ etc.

    News of the mishap/mixup at the Christian School will possibly teach other Schools to stop being naive and be more cautious and wary.

    I know of several mainstream Christian Churches who have been discussing a series on the subject of Cults and the evil they do…especially Scientology bc it’s been in the news and so much now known about them…I understand that there were a few groups holding social events and movie nights…and one of the movies shown was ‘Going Clear’.

    • Tigard Turns the Tide Parent and Youth Group
      http://www.guidestar.org/profile/93-0846088

      They haven’t filed Form 990s since 2010.

      • FredEX2

        Interesting. Already suspect that there’s at least one Scilon influence affiliated with them…if not the whole thing. Even Wikipedia names Scientology as one of the most nortorious organization’s ever known to create and use hundreds of innocuous front groups…that appear to have no affiliation with them…used to infiltrate other organization’s.

        The Nazi’s did exactly the same thing.

      • FredEX2

        RM, I have been looking thru the website for Tigard Turns the Tide here:http://www.tigardturnsthetide.org/contact-us/ …to see if there’s any readily identifiable names or language that might be revealing as having anything to do with Scientology. Just the fact that they haven’t filed proper 990’s since 2010 is kinda suspect…especially since their website gives the appearance of being associated in partnerships with many legitimate organization’s, law enforcement and even some Gov. groups. You’d think they’d be more careful about their paperwork as well. Having said that…I clicked on the top left side where they show ‘partners’ etc and came across a youth group ‘STUDD’ that has newly launched a group with the acronym ‘STAND’ in their ‘Stand up’ campaign…and had seen something similar affiliated with a Scientology front Twitter account ( followed unfortunately by what appears to be thousands…followers which they might have bought ) ~purporting to support Religious freedom rights. See here: https://mobile.twitter.com/_S_T_A_N_D
        Note the Scientology symbols in the profile pic.

        Not sure there’s any relation to the STUDD newly launched ‘STAND Up’ group or whatever it is listed on the TTT website…but might be worth a dig in to check it out. May prove interesting. I could be far out in left field…but Scientology is very good at hiding who they are behind Front groups…unfortunately they tend to use similar words. And of course will find all sorts of ways to cover up and deny their affiliation. Including involving themselves in an already legitimate well establish organization so they can subtly influence the group and use them to influence others.

        One of the benefits of having been a Scientologist is learning their ways, language and modis of operating so you can more easily recognize them. They are taught to lie about who they are and hide their agenda. And they’re pretty good at the game. But with all this exposure…people are catching on…

    • “[…] they were not expecting Bitinas as a speaker that day and had no chance to vet him”.

      If I had kids at that school, I would expect them to vet speakers. That’s a basic responsibility. If you don’t get a chance to vet them, they don’t speak. Otherwise you are going to drop everyone in it.

      It strikes me if an unqualified neo-Nazi got to speak in a school because he presented himself as a historian concerned with national identity, and inserted a few, carefully disguised, racist concepts into his presentation, there would be uproar.

      However, an unqualified Scientologist, presenting himself as an expert on drugs, got a few, carefully disguised, Scientology concepts past a Christian school, and there was no press response.

      In that audience there will have been kids who have tried drugs. They may now be terrified that those drugs will ‘come out of their fat cells’ at any time.

      There are real consequences to pseudo-science and self-serving lies which directly harm people, and a school should know this and take effective measures to guard against them.

      • ExCult.Jan

        Another response could have been an announcement that the expected/planned speaker did not arrive so the next hour would be a study hall period.

  • To be truthful, I gave up on the guy who justified the Narconon presentation on the ground that there was nothing in it that was “inherently unbiblical”.

    What can you say to someone who is willing to overlook that dangerous alarmist nonsense about drugs being stored in fat cells in such a way that they could be released at any time, as long as it doesn’t contradict anything about his reading of the bible.

    There are a lot of things that Christians rightly condemn that are not mentioned in the bible. If they took that cop-out line, they would have nothing to say about almost every aspect of modern life.

    This man has been taken in. He didn’t do his research, and still does not seem to have bothered to find out what was really going on,. He is now covering his arse, like any corporate player. A little humility would have gone a long way and even been better PR.

    • ithilien

      People who believe the bible is literal fact do not the the critical thinking skills to investigate ANYTHING, and they do not have scientific knowlege to evaluate claims because they went to christian schools, where real education is lacking.

      • In this case, orthodoxy seems to have been used to cover up ignorance. If you have that excuse available to you, you can likely alibi yourself for anything.

  • Bavarian Rage

    Humour me in purging my soul of my last gripe on one of the blatant faults the tone scale. I am so thankful that humanity has been gifted with a full spectrum of emotion. Even those emotions that are, at surface level, considered negative, I believe that all emotions are neutral. Pain can lead to healing; anger can lead to taking action to bring about justice. What makes all the difference is how long we choose to wallow in the “negative” and how we choose to respond to them. (So in my righteousness indignation, I barf upon Hubbard’s tone scale, and now I feel sooo much better! See how it works? Rant = cleansing! 😉

  • ze moo

    “nor did he share any significant data”, sounds like a $cieno public talk to me.

    Nice to see that the school and Rotary Club were educated in the ways of the wily clam. So, Tigard Turns the Tide did a last minute substitution with John Bitinas. The speakers for hire world should be aghast at this shell game. Aghast, I tell you.

    It seems that the school and its admin bought the ‘toned down tone scale’ crap and didn’t equate it with $cientology. Bitinas work is done, he slid into home with that one. I doubt that anyone would run down to the local $cieno mission or mOrg and sign up for classes thanks to Bitinas. But if he gives that talk to enough people, some one will make that jump. The snake oil business is built on having large numbers of customers being winnowed down to those who can afford and will buy the oil.

    So, Bitinas gets his speaker fee, reports a good ‘stat’ to his controller and will probably do his talk again somewhere else. That is still a win for him, but with more and more getting wised up, he is caught in the same dwindling spiral as $cientology.

    Nice job of educating the masses, that really is a victory for the anti-$cieno movement. I am proudly ‘antago’.

    • Kid Kat

      Question. If Bitinas did an excellent presentation and word got back to DM, isn’t there the chance Bitinas could be punished for actually doing something good for humanity?
      I’ve read some exes accounts of getting sent to RPF for actually doing good works for humanity. That’s what they joined for, but soon found out that it was a no no.

      • ze moo

        I think that all depends on Miscavages mindset at the moment of the reveal and if $cientology got credit or good pr out of the whole thing. Of course, in all things $cientological, it is cash flow that is the last word.

    • Kestrel

      He also gets to use the experience as proof that the Rotary and the school approved of him.

  • PickAnotherID

    Later folks. Leaves to rake, and Grandson #2 is coming by later to build his first bird & squirrel feeder.

  • Christian Science and Scientology from a Christian perspective:
    http://www.preachtheword.com/sermon/cults02.shtml

    • Bavarian Rage

      Amen! Preach it, Brother Mycroft! Thanks for an educational Sunday service.

      Here’s a sermon excerpt on L Ron’s experiences with Heaven that I’d never heard of before. One thing’s for certain-this dope smoking madman sure had a vivid imagination.

      “L. Ron Hubbard: “Heaven is not a floating island in the sky, but a high place in the mountains of another planet. Visitors arrive in a town comprising a trolley bus, some building fronts, a boarding house, a bistro in a basement, and a bank building. Although there seem to be people around – in the boarding house there was a lady in a kimono – but these were only effigies, the bank is the key point of interest. Inside was a flight of marble stairs leading to the pearly gates. The gates are well done, well built, an avenue of statues of saints leads up to them. The entering grounds are well-kept, laid out like bush gardens in Pasadena so often seen in the movies”.

      Narrator: “Hubbard claims he dropped in on heaven a trillion years later and found it in a sorry state”

      L. Ron Hubbard: “The place is shabby, the vegetation is gone, the pillars are scruffy, the saints have vanished and so have the angels. Inside the grounds one can see the excavations, like archaeological diggings with raw terraces that lead to hell. Plain wire fencing encloses the place”

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Here, Dave – a more realistic version.
    FIFY

    The Tone-Deaf Scale:
    47 Mountains of MEST
    42 New Whale Pod Captured
    40 Bohemian Rhapsody
    35 New Double-Wide Trailer Catalogue Arrives
    30 Tom Cruise Hangs From Empire State Building By His Tooth
    25 Case of Excellent 47-year old Macallan Arrives
    1.1 Leah Remini Releases New Series on TV
    -1.1 Lose Law Suit
    -10 Aussie Census Reveals only 3 OT Wombats and One PC Dingo Remain
    -40 Lose IRS Tax Exemption
    -47 Unbreakable Miss Lovely is Major Smash Oscar-Winning Movie

    Here’s what is truly important but unavailable in Lafaillite’s books and his Tone Scale.
    He needed an Atone Scale for his crimes:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/176e55b74fc811ba6fa8a5eb05c2eb8ae8c1a605fc2e1e7c142031190ae8fa71.jpg

    • ExCult.Jan

      LOVE you, Pan!

  • Edward Whalley

    Let’s put it this way. Lots of people are willing to do something, anything, to deal with alcohol and drug abuse, if not in themselves, then to safeguard their loved ones. Not everyone is hip to psychoneuroendocrinology (this is a thing, I took it as a class), and thirty years of Recovery Movement propaganda has skewed peoples’ ideas of what addiction is and how it’s overcome towards the paradox of instant solutions and lifelong treatment. If the lecturer says that drugs are stored in fat cells and can be restimulated at any time, well, then, they just might be. If the lecturer says that the only true solution to drug problems is a spiritual one, well, that’s OK too, it’s at least familiar. If they say that it takes a lifelong course of treatment, which may cost some money, that’s OK too, at least they or their children aren’t dead! If it means going to some oddball church or another, signing away your life, involving their families, moving away from regular social circles, and undergoing grueling treatments, it’s all to be expected. Their children are safe. Their lives weren’t lost to drugs.

    Unfortunately, it will take the end of the War on (some) Drugs to make sense of it all.

  • “they instead brought in the speaker you mentioned and talked on drug and alcohol use, rather than on texting while driving.”

    /brb. Trademarking Textonon…

  • Victoria Pandora

    “We stand by our decision to invite this speaker back for the third time. Although he did not speak about texting while driving or even drug abuse, the four Sea Org recruiters who came with him were not “unbiblical” in their presentation on how every man woman and child on this planet now and for eternity…blah blah blah”.

  • madame duran

    TWENTY THREE MORE DAYS!!! (it will fly by quickly)
    Bit by bit, the public is being informed and thanks to Leah Remini for her contribution to that education.
    https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20161129T22&p0=179&msg=Leah+Remini%3A+Scientology+%26+The+Aftermath+%28docuseries%29&font=slab&csz=1

  • Bob Crouch

    Tone Scale 50: Fleeced and loving it

  • (((dagobarbz)))

    Any group that teaches that drugs are “stored in the fat” are teaching balonium. Like the Promise Ring abstinence garbage, it does not help kids.

  • Jimmy3

    We should be helping and educating the young Scientology students (assuming they have converted) rather than mocking them.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6e5e6b074bf4f661062768831c5b32200783add572fcb11eae1092f2d32c31bc.jpg

  • madame duran

    While I was unhappy with the change in focus and speaker, I don’t believe that anything shared that day was inherently unbiblical.

    The fact that the planned guest speaker and intended message was CHANGED at the last minute should give concern. If I were a parent of one of the students who attended this lecture, I’d want to know the reason for the sudden change. No explanation is given in the letter. The school acknowledges the error but then tries to minimize it by saying the drug lesson “wasn’t that bad”. Oh really? The stealth introduction of cult concepts and faulty information through the front of drug education isn’t harmful? I could understand that attitude if they were talking about a co-ed cooking class. But Scientology? The naivety is so disappointing.

    Newsflash: lying/deception is “unbiblical”.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    According to LRH Scientology processing gets people UP the tone scale, “low-toned” Scientologists then should have the opportunity to reach a tone above 2.0.
    SPs and people who are PTS are always below 2.0 and most wogs (people who don’t want any Scientology auditing). Eventually wogs are bound to go down the tone scale, according to LRH’s assumptions.
    LRH states that people below 2.0 on the Tone Scale should not have any rights in a thinking society. This basically means non-Scientologists should not have any rights, according to LRH.
    This is one of LRH’s insidious ways he uses the theory of the tone scale in the Scientology mind control. The tone scale theory seems innocent or might even seem workable, but it’s a wicket tool.
    My theory is that Scientology nowadays is below 0.00 on their own Tone Scale, mostly at hiding at -8.0. They cling to MEST a lot (money, buildings), the cult is basically dead but they just won’t accept it for a long time, as long as they have money.
    Should this all sound crazy, my excuse is: I didn’t finish my decompression from the cult yet. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/eb3562fd72d3408f9c7b579f46cd85a1a22f4b9905b8d955b206869b6469989c.gif

    • Missionary Kid

      I’d say you’re well on your way to decompression.

    • Bavarian Rage

      An astute and educational comment. Thank you.

  • “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
    ― Mark Twain

    • Jimmy3

      He never said that. But it’s cute you think he did.

      • Did so. I heard him.

      • MarcabExpat

        YOU CAN’T FOOL ME

  • This is Why! we can’t have cool drugs!

  • Suzy

    One time my friend told me her son (about 7th grade) had a substitute for one of his classes and instead of learning they all took personality tests. She was shocked when I told her that was a Scientology thing.

    This is a wonderful article for educating people on how to spot Scientology hiding inside the Trojan Horse of a public service talk. Thank you Tony for your dedication and perseverance.

  • flyonthewall

    We’re gonna go see Dr. Strange at Galleria 6 if anyone wants to meet up. 10:45a show

    • Jimmy3

      Which portal do I take

      • flyonthewall

        If anyone besides Jimmy wants to go see Dr. Strange meet up at Galleria 6 for the 10:45a show

    • Kim O’Brien

      give Benedict a lick for me . He looks delicious

  • Bleuler

    Only tangentially connected to today’s post but i wonder something about conditions and scientology of today. Now that we see the rapid contraction of scientology. Can ANY Orgs keep their stats up? Following from this are all staff members currently assigned to lower conditions, and falling on the tonescale? For example scientology here in Sweden is more or less non-existent, and from intense readin here that seems to be the case in most places in the world. How is life in an Org right now? Anyone with current info?

    • Dave Reams

      Maybe things are quiet in Sweden but what about right across the border in Malmö? : ) SVT had a good series on cults which took a long look at the Malmö clam infestation

      http://www.svtplay.se/den-enda-sanna-vagen

      • Bleuler

        Yes Mariette has a lot of interesting info on what has happened in the church over the years, and I loved her two books with their parallels to scientology. However the orgs in Sweden are definitely not bringing in any new people, the number of native members is abysmal and falling. The so called Ideal Org is staffed with foreigners and empty as the grave. But this is just Sweden, the same pattern repeats almost all over the world and hence conditions for staff and Sea Org alike should be ever more horrid as far as I can understand.

    • FredEX2

      Unbelievable & disgusting. ~Good catch Dice. This ‘Gemma’ needs serious help. Her perspective is so twisted. At the very least she’s a total ‘twit’ as she defines herself in her profile name.

      • LongtimeLurker

        She has serious anger management issues as well. Her escalation of vitriol she directed at the Monty Python gang went from 0 to 100 in an unnaturally short time.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Gemma is my fave twit! Her implied $cn logic is impeccable: Our society routinely enforces a policy of disconnection for those convicted of crimes, and other societies tolerate honor killings of young women who disobey their families, so why should $cn be judged negatively for implementing its policy of disconnection against those that commit serous crimes against the faith? Apostates should just feel lucky that they’re not beheaded or stoned to death!

      The answer, of course, is to send Gemma to Pakistan where she can help $cn get the foothold in fundamentalist Muslim communities that it has always coveted! $cn missionaries…it’s an idea whose time has surely come 😉

    • madame duran

      It’s not clear in her examples whether disconnection is either “good”, “bad” or “necessary”. Her argument seems to be that disconnection is just a regular occurrence in the world, therefore, we all should accept it unconditionally. Still, her point is abhorrent.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Screencapped!

      Wow, she walked into that. Go Proud Apostate!

      Also +1 for twit in her pants. Lol.

    • Observer

      drat, didn’t work

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    It’s all L. Ron Hubbard’s fault, when one gets access to read ALL of Hubbard’s behind the scenes writings and it’s been laid out sufficiently with the Hubbard writings that have been publicised.

    Official Scientology creates unnecessary backlash constantly due to Hubbard’s writings that will always push for their front groups to surreptitiously do these “good works” type dissemination.

    Hubbard’s Scientology is troublesome due to Hubbard’s mindset presentation of the Scientology materials, with even still today average Scientologists are not allowed to define “Xenu” nor the two word phrase “body thetans” you simply can’t get Scientologists to define those two Scientology ideas.

    Scientology is encumbered by Hubbard’s massive writings that detail offensive behaviors out of the members once their members get up to taking responsibility to be full real deal participants and staffs of the Scientology organizations.

    Hubbard’s troublesome writings need to be compiled in a detailed study, showing how these Hubbard writings will continually cause offense by the outside world to Scientology’s behaviors.

    The biggest continual controversial backlash Scientology constantly suffer, rightly, is also rightly L. Ron Hubbard’s fault.

    His words cause continuing controversies and backlash for the movement that is obliged to keep following Hubbard’s detailed strategies and writings.

    So, constantly exposing the details of how Scientology is continually surreptitiously invading themselves into society needs constant reporting.

    So thankyou again for even noticing.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “The biggest continual controversial backlash Scientology constantly suffer, rightly, is also rightly L. Ron Hubbard’s fault.”

      Xenu, although presumably still imprisoned in that electronic cave deep in some secret mountain side, nevertheless continues wreak havoc with Elron’s grand plan to save mankind. Rumor also has that after being telepathically exorcised from OaTy individuals, many of those pesky BTs just circle back to re-infest their victims, or worse still, take up new residence in their kids’ body. And this, of course, is the true cause of autism, NOT infant vaccinations…hope that helps 😉

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Best to pen a pamphlet with all this info, so that ABLE can hand out pamphlets warning the public that autism is caused by mishandled “body thetans” that squirrel Scientologists aren’t properly auditing/exorcising. It’s just another reason to only do Official Scientology, since squirrel Indie Scientology isn’t completely freeing those nasty “body thetans!”

        You’re so right, those nasty “body thetans” even bested dear old Ron, didn’t they!

        It’s so important to tell the public just how dastardly Xenu’s Engram is still hurting earthlings!

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        And this, of course, is the true cause of autism, NOT infant vaccinations…hope that helps

        Okay now, here we see the DANGER OF SQUIRRELING! What actually happens, and this is a technical fact, is as follows: Just as niacin in the Purif destimulates BT’s, childhood vaccinations restimulate BT’s. So yes, while BT’s are the true cause autism, BT’s can only turn on, or cause, autism in the presence of vaccinations. This is true of most childhood diseases such as measles, mumps, whooping cough, and chickenpox.

        We trust these scientific facts put the lie to the widespread vaccination disinformation disseminated by the Psychs and alerts public health authorities to the clear and present dangers of childhood vaccinations.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Biblical or not, in any case it’s literature now:

    “Yes, but I would not feel so all alone
    EVERYBODY MUST GET STONED.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0Zxd5jp-lI&list=LLalFrFxLOarw4pLrdxPdCkg&index=1

    • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

      I saw him play with the Grateful Dead at the Oakland Coliseum many moons ago.

      • Kestrel

        I’m told I attended a Grateful Dead concert at the Oakland Coliseum. I have to take their word for it.

        • daisy

          I thought you looked familiar.I just thought it was the past drugs leaving.

  • Off topic, but there have been some interesting developments at the building in Plymouth (the one in the UK) which Scientology has promised to renovate and use as an ideal org, which I have detailed here https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2016/11/06/plymouth-ideal-org-fantasies-and-lies/

    I’m still personally a little sceptical that it will be completed – but I’m beginning to be persuaded that some progress might be under way – and regarding Ideal Orgs, anything could happen.

    • Kestrel

      Thank you for the update.

    • LongtimeLurker

      That was really interesting OB. Thank you.

    • grundoon

      That “ideal org” image looks like a computer rendering, not HDR photography. When making the computer model, they did not bother to carefully match details like the tree and the block wall.

      • I think it’s a combination of both – a photograph overlaid with images taken from a computer modelling program – but you could be right.

        My view doesn’t show the roof properly, as theirs does, for example – but there are hints of the bricked-up windows running alongside the ‘access lane’ behind the ‘climbing plant’ images that have been inserted.

        If you are quite sure it’s a rendering, I will change the post…

  • Dennis Leen

    That Taiwanese lady is now a mission holder in Taipei. She has been the raising star, taking the lead in YHRI as the organization falters. But from social media, she has two daughters in the Sea Org in Australia, one joined the other without her knowledge.

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    I am glad that the school says they won’t have Bitinas come back. However, they are being disingenuous to say that it was okay since it wasn’t unbiblical. They obviously don’t have any idea what Co$ is all about – it is indeed inherently unbiblical. I believe that parents would be shocked that their Christian school brought in someone from a Co$ front group who thinks that Jesus is an implant.

    And TTT is wimping out about its own role – they did a bait and switch with the speaker and topic – and yet they stand by it.

    And the Rotary – have they been duped or do they have a clam in their midst. There is a Kim Nelson who has written newsletters on their website – and there is also a Kim Nelson who is a Scientologist but I don’t know if she lives in Oregon. It is such a common name; I have no idea if it is the same person.

  • Harpoona Frittata

    Re use of tone scale without mentioning $cn during anti-drug presentations: “It is to gain favor and agreement, to open doors to slowly integrate
    other Hubbard methods until someone is using Scientology in their life
    way more than they realize or would ever care to admit.”

    Love the “would ever care to admit” part 😉 So, smuggle $cn in through the back door and hope that folks don’t notice it until they’re practicing $cilons without even knowing it, huh? Sounds like the proper way to help people become more self-determined to me.

    Hey, you know what would work even better along the same lines? Implant little kids with a radio-controlled micro chip in the pleasure center of their brains, so that every time they hear “Scientology” they get a little jolt that makes them feel ecstatic and associate that pleasurable feeling with $cn…total self-determinism!

    • ze moo

      That ‘chip in the brain’ thing is sort of the goal of auditing.

  • ExCult.Jan

    Standard Operating Procedure for ALL presenters everywhere is to open their presentation with a conflict of interest statement.

    The Tigard school did not follow that basic tenet,. Schools should have a detailed policy for openly vetting all speakers for any CoI that includes ANY affiliation, connection to the source of ANY information they will present. Then, if the speaker is accepted, they must then start their talk with a CoI statement. Basic.

    “Somebody in Rotary recommended them” is so inadequate and lame. Cults thrive on people’s good intentions.

    • FredEX2

      I’m pretty sure that some Scientologists have joined Rotary Clubs as ways to network and benefit their companies, much like they join the Chamber of Commerce as individuals in their towns. The recommendation from someone at the Rotary Club could just as easily have been a Scilon himself, or friend of one….or just a decent Rotary member not affiliated, but unaware of how they operate. Individuals in law enforcement and military and other good people also can be members of the Rotary Club, the Lions and other organization’s that do good works and promote community success. It’s hard to know sometimes where the influence is coming from.

  • Good going Rod. The fat lodging toxins was not fact. My first cousin once removed resides in Wilsonville only a few miles away. I will alert my family to help educate in the area. She is the author of 6 novels and 16 nonfiction books and her daughter my 2nd cousin is well know in the area for her and her late husbands Christian works. This family is all to familiar with the heart breaks scientology causes as they watched my mother and father and my grandmother hearts break after ‘scientology took me away.’ Since leaving ive found out my parents traveled several times from Alaska and Oregon to see me in Hollywood and when they got there were givin some excuse why I could not be presented. I never knew of these visits. I love my family very much and their visits would have only helped me on my ‘dynamics’. That place is a nut house. (SO 77-96, HASI 74-2010) Thank you for your excellent followup.

    • LongtimeLurker

      74 to 2010, Cece? My god, my god.

      I’m so glad you’re out.

      • Yup 36 yrs break from being myself. Hard work out but well worth working towards. I know where I’m going and its not OT 47 with 57 perceptics. Its more clearly described and simple and doesn’t cost a cent and I won’t be harming anyone on my way.

        • Kestrel

          Good for you, Cece!

        • LongtimeLurker

          Go Cece!

  • Braveheart

    Excellent article. Thanks Rod for doing your bit in exposing how these charlatans operate under the guise of “help”. That he got paid for the lecture is just diabolical. I thought the Rotary Club was all about “helping the community”? Scientologists pay through the teeth to sponsor these programs – both directly and via the IAS – why are these guys also getting paid by outside interests?

  • nottrue

    Only the ones who have money…They love Monty Python but they call scientologist dangerous . Beware https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b334a762c559be6389d7764adbc684a56dc36953cf67ecb9e5edca1bb45103c9.jpg ….. …… https://twitter.com/JustinTemplerSr/status/795330424847339520

    • Sherbet

      Wrong as she is, Gemma at least tries to have a dialog.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Chilli Beans also had one with me once. It was late at night, and I suspect he was drunk, but still.

        • Sherbet

          I’m sure they think it’s because they can eventually convince all infidels.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Confront, shatter, convert!

            • Sherbet

              Yeah, that’s not gonna work.

      • nottrue

        I think that is what will get her declared PTS. I’m sure the scientology Twitter police are watching her

        • Sherbet

          I’m wondering about that, myself. Nobody has muzzled her yet.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Gemma is one of those very rare $cilons who regularly engages with non-$cilon skeptics, albeit in a discussion format that’s structured to induce or exacerbate attentional deficits and stay perpetually on the surface of even the deepest of topics.

        Even though she pretty closely hones to the $cn party line at all times, the cult that has her in thrall has itself gone into deep hiding, so any interaction with the debased and deluded wog world may now be actively discouraged, lest $cilons like Gemma feel as if they’ve been given tacit permission to (gulp) watch Leah’s upcoming series, where they may very well encounter credible and moving accounts capable of causing head-exploding levels of cognitive dissonance.

        Stay with us Gemma, once the Kool-Aid induced dementia wears off I promise that you’ll become a normal human once more 😉

    • PENFOLD!

    • Rasha

      Great, so they can ask their only terminal for their money back, then?

    • what an opportunity to link to the video of the SPs getting into Stain Hell (last year, IAS event)

  • I’ve always had my suspicions about what those Rotarians get up to behind closed doors… (prepare, oh cog in the machine, to be initiated into the awful mysteries of the eccentric helical sprocket): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b848fb96060f67498fdf00833fbfa6b424319e6dab1b80f6a043843bc65c1ae0.jpg

    • LongtimeLurker

      I lolling.

    • FredEX2

      LOL.

    • Juicer77

      Hee hee

    • J. Swift

      Mark, now the Rotarians are going to come after you.

      I’ve heard they make people like you who reveal their secrets drink tea or coffee, eat pastries, and generally chat you up for hours on end about how wonderful the Rotary Club is. Sometimes sandwiches are included in this handling.

      • Kestrel

        They also might hit you up for a donation to their Foundation. One that actually uses its money for those in need.

        https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=4553

      • grundoon

        Beware the sandwiches, my son!
        The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
        Beware the pastry tray, and shun
        Rotarians who chat!

      • beauty for ashes

        Pastries, can be quite influential. there are three in my kitchen right now. Every few seconds I have to remind myself to keep sitting down. Don’t walk into the kitchen, and certainly not eat one or more in a dark corner.
        If you don’t believe me, watch “Marie Antoinette” directed by Sofia Coppola, and the subliminal pastry message especially the cream filled pastry message is so strong within a week you will be obsessing on how to get your hands on some Napoleons.

      • I shall set the Masons on them if they do!

        • I see your Masons and raise you a Knights of Columbus.

          • Hmm… does a Ladies Circle and an Inner Wheel beat that?

            • I am still holding a Shriners and an American Kennel Club, so be careful.

            • I’m telling on you to the Tufty Club!

    • daisy

      Hilarious

  • The idoit can’t spell greif!

    • Draco

      Good Greif!!

    • Sherbet

      Spelling is learned in OT IX.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        So… never, then.

        • Observer

          Bazinga!

        • Sherbet

          //wink!//

  • richelieu jr

    Well, it was definitely a religious talk–

    Either that or ‘disinformation’ or (my own opinion) snake oil salesmanship 1.0– “buttering” (or in this case, ´Snake Oiling’)-up the marks, erm, victims, no, wait- ´potentiel parishioners’, so that when et are presented with the real scam their goal posts have already been moved.

    Doesn’t even matter if the engine you oversold as néver needing gas “because the invisible water-monkeys will keep the boat moving in the right direction once help, erm, I mean t’the shore’ is out of site” actually ends up only breaking after 300km rather than the 40 you had expeçted, as long as you’ve pointed them In the wrong direction, they’ll never get there’s even if the boat sprouts wings.

    A ‘Snipe Hunt’ comes to mind, for any ex-scouts or camp counselors out there…

    • LongtimeLurker

      Get me a left-handed spanner and a bucket of striped paint.

      • Techie

        Could you see if the smoke-shifter is in the supply trailer while you look for the left-handed monkey wrench? Maybe the sky-hook is in there too.

        • Sherbet

          And a bucket of steam.

          • Rasha

            beat me to it…

      • I once sent a new lad to the invoice office, to ask for a length of fallopian tube.

        The ladies there totally outclassed me, by sending him back to ask if I wanted half-inch or three-quarter-inch.

        • LongtimeLurker

          You, and those ladies, are my heroes.

          Poor kid.

          • I learned that if people didn’t do things like that to you, it was because they didn’t like you. When they did, it meant you had been accepted.

            He was actually a good kid, and had a laugh himself.

      • Rasha

        A Philips hammer, a left-handed screwdriver and a bucket of steam. At least, that’s what Rasha always shouts at a newbie after feigning alarm and shock when they do exactly what I’ve asked of them…

        • beauty for ashes

          Rasha!!!!! My brother was here, and he had actually nail gunned through his finger!!!! It was so gross it was cool. Its didn’t go through the bone, more like a diagonal superficial spearing. However it was a large nail, who’s name escapes me. I sprang up and was like let me see let me see!!! Sure enough~ in one side out another. (it was removed by then of course!) but just as a cautionary tale, don’t ever do that, it looks gnarly.

          • Rasha

            Nailgun Safety is Number One. Glad to hear it did not hit bone or joint. Physics at work, eh? What was his reaction, and more to the point, what was he building, and is it cool?

            (srsly – glad he’s okay) ^_^

  • Observer

    Ms Watkins was a tad defensive, but at least it appears the door is shut. Thank you to whomever wrote to the school.

  • Observer
    • LongtimeLurker

      Great shots Obs. Love the giant leaf + water tech.

      …unless it’s evidence of some sinister forest dryad …

    • Sherbet

      Gorgeous!

      The ginkgo might be what I’ve been looking for to hang in my little office.

      • Observer

        If you want it let me know and I’ll send you the full-res original.

        • Sherbet

          I would like it very much. Thank you. I’ll write your name and date on the back when I print it.

    • Wow! Those water droplets!

    • You know, you could totally give prints of these photos as Christmas gifts. They are gorgeous.

      • Observer

        Thank you!

        • Thank you for sharing them with us. They are really lovely. I enjoy them <3

          • Observer

            <3

      • Juicer77

        Prizes for HowdyCon Dance Competition! 😉

        • Dance competition?!
          *reconsiders going*

          • Juicer77

            😉

          • Kestrel

            I’m hoping chair-dancing is encouraged.

            • My problem is that I love to dance — am just terrible at it XD

            • Kestrel

              Me, too.

            • *bonding moment*

            • Kestrel

              A bittersweet moment. I know I can never measure up to Jimmy3.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I heard that. I’m the male Elaine Benes.
              F5
              https://media.giphy.com/media/l0MYATH9ZumUHCBXy/giphy.gif

            • daisy

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/95967a9eb1ee492a4294d4d96116c4b99dc2bacec3890a120f66ee45288bc113.gif
              I just figured out how to post a gif. I have to get some ibupropen and a nap. I dance similar to this guy with worse hair . Now i have to figure out how to get this asshole off my desktop . The horror i go through to make my mates laugh.

            • LongtimeLurker

              lol.

              Daisy knowing how to post gifs is one of the Signs of the End Times, I believe*.

              One day, we’ll meet in person and dance. And everyone watching will need therapy.

              *Well done though! I’m proud of you. ; )

            • beauty for ashes

              congratulations!!! big accomplishment for you! 🙂

            • ExCult.Jan

              and table-dancing?

            • Kestrel

              Sure! I’ll bring a stack of singles!

        • Kim O’Brien

          funny you should mention that …..LOL .

    • Qbird

      wonderful ~ the 1st = Ginkgo biloba 🙂

  • sizzle8
    • Observer

      Nice word clearing

    • LongtimeLurker

      “…from the Latin “scribers”…”

      Nope. ” Scripture, from the Latin scriptura, meaning “a writing”. ”

      Also, gotta love how his constantly rewritten and contradictory thoughts about organisational operating methods are also to be considered scripture and therefore will be part of what helps mankind understand our spiritual nature.

      • Bobby Tolberto AKA TDA

        It was all those psychs, yah know. Besides, who could remember what they babbled about after a few sessions of pinks and greys?

        • ze moo

          Lron couldn’t remember what he wrote after his pink and greys and rum.

    • OOkpik

      “the promise of a road out ” is called an SP declare!

      (or worse)

  • sizzle8
    • Observer

      The seller’s name is perfect! hahahaha!

      • flyonthewall

        whats he gonna do with all that junk, all that junk inside his trunk?

    • Qbird

      Is that what’s left of the Royal Scotman aka the Apollo? plus Documents ~ oh my!
      Ozymandias indeed.

      • sizzle8

        Ozymandias – perfect!

    • LongtimeLurker

      If that’s legit, and I had the money, I’d buy it in a flash.

      I’d refurbish it, and take photos of myself steering my apartment while dressed as Ron.

      Which I would then post to Scientologist’s social media accounts.

      • ExCult.Jan

        Maybe a GoFundMe to purchase and polish up to decorate BHQ (Bunker HeadQuarters)? 🙂

        • LongtimeLurker

          We should do it.

          • ExCult.Jan

            Wouldn’t it be fun to do a “class photo” posed around the ‘helm’, with Our Proprieter “at the helm”, and all of us ASC Bunkerites wearing team ascots in Bunker Blue tartan?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Too good! : )

      • daisy

        LOL-I can actually picture that. I would make you a paisley ascot to wear with it.

        • Juicer77

          I would do the whole sailor suit getup. Lol!!

        • LongtimeLurker

          I’d wear the hell out of that!

          • daisy

            Ya you would !!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Wow! A find like that is enough to cause any True Believer Sea Orgyist to flip their binnacles and start bidding up the price from there…except for the fact that the only known Sea Orgyist on earth with that kind of cash is lil davey the savage 😉

      Still, imagine how sweet that Apollo helm would look after it was completely refurbished and mounted on the deck of that faux ship they built at the Int base for Elron (see earlier Int base drone flyover blog post for pics).

      • MarcabExpat

        How can Dave NOT announce a game to buy that and make some sorta expensive shrine to it? He could encourage the whales to compete to build it, then charge the minnows 20 bucks a pop to “steer with Ron.” The ecclesiastical equivalent of a mechanical bull!

        • Harpoona Frittata

          It really is the find of the decade when it comes to opportunities to purchase major pieces of Sea Orgy memorabilia. I just wish I knew how to get a message to lil davey. I’m sure he’d swoop on it like, BAM, right now!

          I wonder if they also managed to salvage the infamous chain locker, happy temporary home of children and downstats alike? Nothing gets your TRs in like 10,000 lbs. of chain unspooling at a body-pulping speed…now THAT was the real Survival Rundown! Oh, the good ol’ days 😉

    • grundoon

      $19,995.95 might have been the scrap value of the whole Royal Scotman.

    • it still looks like it’s in pain!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Last weeks auction for Mary Sue’s pap smear ended without a buyer.

    • beauty for ashes

      to blow it up?

  • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

    Hmmmm……in looking at the Tone Scale in detail, I now think I know why the Scientologists in video promotions look like they are manic. They are programmed to be exhilarated and cheerful!! At all times !! Because it’s high on the Tone Scale ! Interesting that DM would be down around 1.1 or 1.0 according to the scale.

    In the real world of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, no emotion is discounted or judged to be wrong, emotions are acknowledged and accepted. The goal is just to help people have healthy responses to whatever emotions they may be having. It is a basic human freedom to be able to own our own emotional responses to life. If I were in this kind of environment where someone is assessing and judging my emotions 24 x 7, I would go bonkers inside of a week. I don’t know how people survive it.

    • Juicer77

      I can speak from experience here (not Sci). Yes. It will cause significant emotional/mental distress. Thankfully there are good therapists and medications to cope and learn better responses.

      • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

        You have my total compassion. No one’s emotions should be assailed and manipulated like that. Using a ” tone scale” in conjunction with the E-Meter to give this manipulation “validity” is especially creepy to me. Even though I work with survivors of fundamental polygamist cults here in Utah, cults in which outward emotions are also judged all the time, it’s not done using an actual tool and assessment device on a daily basis where the results are recorded and shared. That’s a whole new level of emotional torture IMO. When I work with survivors, it is very hard to get them to the place where they don’t feel guilty saying what they really feel. It makes me sad.

        • Juicer77

          You are doing great work. I remember outright lying to my first counselor about the severity of my anxiety problems because I was sure I would be invalidated. Again. Took a while but we worked through it. Journaling helped start the process. Big hugs to you for helping others in this way. ETA: the Sci system is completely above and beyond anything I experienced. It’s absolutely horrific.

          • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

            Big hugs to you as well !!! I can’t imagine. If you are interested at all in what it is like here, go to the A & E website and watch “Escape from Polygamy.” There are around ten episodes from this year. It is SO much like Scientology in so many ways. It also shows how they are “hiding in plain sight” here in the US of A, just like Scientology. They still manage to break the law, not pay taxes, take government money, and abuse women and children even though Utahns and the feds have been trying to deal with them for years. They are scary people, and many are heavily armed. What I do pales with what these young women are now doing to sneak their siblings and other relatives out of these cults. What they do is really dangerous.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’ve watched both seasons. Those women are great.

            • Kay (aka Nasty Lady)

              Yes they are absolutely amazing !!!

            • Juicer77

              Great tip. I’ve read a couple books by FLDS escapees, and it’s horrifying stuff.

          • Mymy88

            ….

            • Juicer77

              Emailed you. You can wipe your email address now. 😉

    • LongtimeLurker

      Emotions are acknowledged and accepted?

      This non-judgemental, healing wog attitude sickens me.

    • people in North Korea are also looking very exhilarated and cheerful, but only when someone is watching!
      This woman is describing the danger in this idea
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ikx-krIOTY

    • madame duran

      Simply put, inauthenticity (dishonesty) will drive you mad. Wearing a false mask to hide true feelings or supress one’s real identity is not unique to Scientology; it’s something we’ve all done to some extent. Scientology is a fraud built on fear so it comes as no surprise that its members thrive on artificial appearances to survive within the “religion”.

  • richelieu jr

    My scale seems incomplete.. at which levels are

    -Havingness of Cystness (cf type Sebaceous, genus Havingness to Pukeness

    -Havingness of Biggus Buckses but Dying in a Trailer in the Desert like a sister who never, never done oughtta married her brother,baby daddy for seven outta ten of her younguns, incuding dem good ´uns what walked at the right aged, knew their spellin’, and looked right normal ‘cept for a lazy eye here and a sixth toe there… baby brother they found inthat neck x ray in Lodi don’t count formt’was never baptised nor stuck in any water anyways, let alone birthed official-like nor named (and it don’t matter what Mary-Sue like to call it “Filbert” or Josey Scarlett whose neck it done occupy, call it ‘Neck Josey” or “Head Six” or “Ol’ All-Bones Josey Maroni” like she was announcing it on the old Leno show.

    – Havnigness of a Religion and Personality that even good Looks and a billion dollars and being so famous married women would crawl across a miles of. Rosen glass on their hands and knees to suck your “second big bean” is still not enough to get a woman to put up with you long enough for your offspring to old enough to being being interrogated and dropping KR dimes on you to your BFF, Papus Ankle Bitus Wifeus Gonnus David What, Find Shelley? I need Tweezers to find my PopeHood, and poor Tommy C is losing his sight! Miscavige.

    In short, money, looks, fame and power are no match for Scientology’s power to transfer you into the “Flight of the (You call this ) Living Hubbards”

    Cruise could get laid if he was covered in honey and fire ants and his fly was actually composed of flies interstellar in laying eggs on his putrescent near life-sized ‘ Is that his, you know, or did someone go..?

    SCIENTOLOGY: A Religion Powerful Enough to Keep a Handsome Movine Star From’Getting Laid.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “SCIENTOLOGY: A Religion Powerful Enough to Keep a Handsome Movine Star From’Getting Laid.

      Bwahahaha…”Scientology: Home wrecking tools so powerful that no marriage can withstand them!”

    • LongtimeLurker

      Thank you for your query richelieu jr.

      Everything you have asked about and additionally such OT secrets as Beingness of Obnoxious on Social Media, (see TR; Kirstie), Usingness of Buses to Avoid Wogs, and Wall-Hangingness of Endless Certificatesness are all revealed in the upcoming OT XII OT XIV OTXIX OT Eleventy OT SOON!

      Provide credit card details to pre-order.

      • ExCult.Jan

        Love, Ron

  • J. Swift

    What Scientologist John Bitinas withheld from the Christian school in Tigard is the undisclosed basis of Narconon: See: http://tonyortega.org/2015/09/02/why-scientology-can-never-submit-its-drug-rehab-quackery-to-scientific-review/

    Per L. Ron Hubbard, the creator of the program, Narconon is ultimately, and only, metaphysical in nature. And because Scientology is wholly incompatible with Christianity — Hubbard denied that Jesus Christ is part of the Triune God; denied the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ; and denied that Jesus is the only way to God and Salvation — John Bitinas was not presenting neutral information. Rather, he was deceptively presenting Scientology metaphysics cloaked in pseudoscience, to wit:

    http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Purif6-e1441142820206.png

    http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Purif7-e1441142851385.png

    This then is the secret of the Purification Rundown that only longtime, high-level Scientologists are allowed to learn: Niacin and vitamin B1 cause BTs to drop out of restimulation. According to Hubbard, “This too brings about an improvement in the case condition of the person.”

    We can now see Hubbard’s emphasis on megadoses of niacin in the Purification Rundown. Hubbard said that niacin and B1 flush the drug residues from the body and thus allow BTs to drop out of the drug engrams and resultant chronic restimulation in which they are stuck. This causes the BTs to cease mocking up the drug engrams.

    Hubbard’s claims about the Purif and how it handles BTs explains why the Church of Scientology is backed into a corner and has never funded any scientific peer-reviewed testing of the rundown’s underlying theory. The Church of Scientology does not care to disclose to any scientific researchers Hubbard’s metaphysical basis for the Purification Rundown.

    • J. Swift

      The administrators, teachers, parents, and students of of Westside Christian High School in Tigard, Oregon can read Scientology’s secret teachings about Jesus Christ: https://scientologymoneyproject.com/2016/08/31/scientologys-secret-teachings-about-jesus-christ/

      A brief excerpt of L. Ron Hubbard’s secret teaching:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WfNHHn410M

    • LongtimeLurker

      Testify J.Swift!

      • J. Swift

        If I were a Christian Rotarian in Tigard or a parent with children at Westside Christian High School, I would have no problem with John Bitinas being a Scientologist. However, I would would be furious with John Bitinas for being deceptive about his covert agenda to sneak Scientology into a presentation at a Christian school.

        Bitinas is being dishonest — “withholdy” in Scientology speak — about who he is and what he is really up to in his community work. In a small community like Tigard, and I have been in Tigard many times, people don’t like dishonesty and word gets around real quick.

        • Kestrel

          Exactly. Bitinas was deceptive. He had to be to gain access. What does that say about the toxicity of Scientology?

          I can understand the school permitting him to make a presentation. Were I them, my primary concern would be to the safety of the students (Is he a pedophile, a convicted felon, etc.). Probably, there were no red flags to disturb the school’s staff, and I wonder how many would consider preventing him from speaking had they known his connection to Scientology.

          There are lots of people with “answers” in the world of addiction and alcoholism treatment and prevention. Few school staff members would consider themselves as “experts” in the field and would not know whether what he said had any validity or not.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Well that’s the thing about it, isn’t it?

          Scientology beliefs and the spreading of them is one thing, it’s the subterfuge that is toxic.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Longtime Lurker: How dare you attack our religion! How dare anyone attack our religion! Subterfuge is part of the Scientology religion. Why if Scientology didn’t resort to subterfuge then where would that leave us?

            Frankly, as a new religion, Scientology has to use every connivance, trick, and lie possible as such things are prosurvival. If wogs do not understand this it is because they have aberrated middle class values and think that “honesty” is a workable technology when in fact honesty is the worst policy. As the Founder hath said, “the only way you can control people is to lie to them.”

            • LongtimeLurker

              I forgot about aberrated middle-class values.

              But that’s not my fault. I’m stuck in my middle-class mindset, like a pre-Cambrian Clam in Amber.

              Please help. Send me all of Ron’s lectures on 8-Track.

              Find enclosed a blank check.

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              COB is shipping you the entirety of human knowledge for the low price of $390,000:

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/31e44f1499fff0a8b245290861d7ad889adfa095f1d9e4a3cc610268920d8506.jpg

            • LongtimeLurker

              The entirety?

              That is an amazing deal. Take 400k and keep the change.

    • Dave Reams

      J. Swift is too much of a gentleman to point out that Hubbard also said that Christianity was found by madmen wondering in the desert people low on the tone scale should be quote disposed of quietly and without sorrow.

    • ze moo

      How do purely chemical substances affect a non-corporal BT? Oh, I wasn’t supposed to ask that question Mr. Ethics Officer? And if vitamins can ‘quiet down’ BTs, why doesn’t 1 a Day vitamins add ‘100% BT de-stimulation’ to their label?

      Oh, I wasn’t supposed to ask that either Mr. Ethics Officer? Well stand by, I have a big list of such questions. My name?? Why it is Joe Antago.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        And if vitamins can ‘quiet down’ BTs, why doesn’t 1 a Day vitamins add ‘100% BT de-stimulation’ to their label?

        To answer your question Mr. Antago, we in RTC receive dozens of queries daily from leading vitamin manufacturers begging us to license them to make such claims on their products. As these manufacturers are all owned by Big Pharma, we refuse their requests and offers of huge sums of money. Only Ideal Org/Purif vitamins are allowed to make this claim:
        |
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e03488fbf0dde5280f00778ad2bcb17552acef5831450a6fcc5efa3797dc4bd2.png

        • Kestrel

          I have two questions: Can you give an estimate of the percentage of the last two ingredients? How do I purchase these vitamins?

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Kestrel, the formulation of Ideal Org/Purif vitamins is a trade secret more closely guarded than the formula for Chicken McNuggets. However, to answer your question in a general sense, the dosages of the last two ingredients are designed to give the Scientologist a sense of giddy euphoria, of winning in life, while at the same time rendering them completely obedient to Command Intention. OTIII’s and above are given a higher concentration in an additional supplement.

            Ideal Org/Purif vitamins are not sold to wogs.

            • Kestrel

              Yeah, that’s not gonna do it. I’ll stick with my current distributor.

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              It’s wise to stay with your current distributor as the BIG MAN doesn’t like wogs nosing around in his lucrative, and strictly legit, Scientology vitamin business.

              http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j125/jaygee58/maf1.jpg

        • Rasha

          …does this come in a gummi?

  • @disqus_MYMqA6D5xj:disqus or anybody that knows — did Scientology ever infiltrate D.A.R.E. in California in the 1980s/90s? I swear they taught us some of this same crap — like drugs being trapped in fat cells.

    • DARE is a notorious scam even without Scientology.

  • Kestrel

    OT: It looks like the Freewinds will be leaving Aruba tonight. There are a bunch of people standing around on the promenade deck – which looks like a lifeboat drill.

    • Juicer77

      That’s a sign of a happy childhood. 🙂

      • those shoes with laces are still tired… he he!

    • beauty for ashes

      Or a bunch of polite teenagers are there to rob your house!

  • LongtimeLurker

    I said come on, come on, come on, come on and click it,

    Have another little click on the heart now, baby,

  • Mockingbird

    Regarding the tone scale Hubbard said the following in Philadelphia Doctorate Course tape 39. “A game of complexity and levels“ – the Tone Scale is such a game. It’s just a map of MEST universe games. Ron Hubbard PDC tape 39 1952

    The tape is the same one that has the games maker quotes. Hubbard lays out how someone would make a game and hide the rules. He basically said the plan to make a cult and covertly control people.

    „Peculiarity or liability of a maker of game, people attempting to play the game of Maker of Games“ – it’s a game itself. Your big capitalista or commissar will do that.

    „The game called Maker of Games results in No Game. And the game called Unmaking Games results in a game. 8008.“

    „There’s a game called freedom,“ which is what you’re playing right at this minute. „

    And Games contain trickery and misdirection to win“ – your 180 degree vector of Have and Agree. „

    The prize of winning is making a new game“ – what do you know? „Or permitting a new game to be made or making it possible for a new game to be played.“ Those are all prizes, and that’s all the prizes there are. ”

    “The necessity“ – oh, of course, there’s these gimmicks, these wienies and so forth. But everybody just knows that they’re spurious as hell. Uh… „The necessity to have a new game coded before one ends the old game.“ Otherwise, everyone becomes a maker of games with no game.

    Now, “The value of pieces. Ownership of pieces may be also the ownership of players. And the difference between players and pieces, and the difficulty of pieces becoming players“

    boy, when a piece becomes a player, there’s really a hell of an upset in the game; it’ll just blow. Oh, the quarterback walks out of the football game and all of a sudden starts to run the whole football game, and nobody can tell him „No.“ That football game’s dead.

    Now… so you’ve got to hide the rules from the pieces, otherwise this is going to happen.

    „Now the caste system of game consist of this: The Maker of Games, he has no rules, he runs by no rules.

    The player of the games, rules known but he obeys them. And the assistant players merely obey the players. And the pieces obey rules as dictated by players, but they don’t know the rules.“

    And then, what do you know. There’s broken pieces, and they aren’t even in the game, but they’re still in the game.

    And they’re in a terrible maybe: „Am I in the game or am I not in the game?“ Now, „How to make a piece. This is how to make a piece: First, deny there is a game. Second, hide the rules from them. Three, give them all penalties and no wins. Four, remove all goals“ –

    all goals. „Enforce them… their playing. Inhibit their enjoying. Make them look like but forbid their being like players“

    – look like God but uh… you can’t be God.

    „To make a piece continue to be a piece, permit it to associate only with pieces and deny the existence of players.“

    Never let the pieces find out that there are players. Now out of these you’re going to get games.

    Now here’s a process that has to do with the making of games, and all this process adds up to, is you just address to those factors which I just gave you, oh, run and change postulates and any creative process that you can think of and shift postulates around, you get a whole process.

    But remember, that up at the top of it there is a big postulate, „There must be a game.

    “ Therefore if you want to regain the Spirit of Play, people have got to unmake postulates they’ve made all along, saying, „There mustn’t be a game. There mustn’t be a game. It can’t be a game. Don’t play with me. I mustn’t be played with. Life is serious. This isn’t a game. We’re playing for keeps. I’ll never get out of this

  • Mockingbird

    Veda is a commenter at ESMB who has long posted on Hubbard’s interest in the occult. He posted extensively on how the tone scale is an occult formula to attain power from Hubbard. It in Veda’s estimation was a route Hubbard tried to use to gain control over people.

    I don’t personally believe in occult powers or magic of any kind. I believe Hubbard himself knew hypnosis had some degree of influence on some people and he felt it was a clue that he could use. Hubbard thought occult practices had a combination of true ideas on influence and superstition mixed in.

    He sought to sift truth from lie and make a perfect method of covertly controlling people. He wanted to have slaves.

    It’s been reported that Hubbard read every popular book on the occult published from 1888 to 1934. It reportedly influenced his demeanor and personality.

    Hubbard felt he could find the science buried in the superstition, with hypnosis as his fundamental building block, the cornerstone of Scientology.

    Hubbard looked long and hard for successful ways to create ecstasy, interest, curiosity, and altitude. He wanted to enthrall his victims and thought he was a genius that could combine the hidden wisdom he perceived in the occult and the skill he had in hypnosis. He felt his mastery of psychology could transcend that of all others due to his multidisciplinary approach.

    I don’t think he ever found what he thought he would. Scientology has always had a very low success rate. It simply doesn’t persuade most people effectively enough to retain them.

  • What’sup

    Can’t wait for the season finale of America.

    • daisy

      movie , series , election ?

      • What’sup

        Election.

        • daisy

          Best wishes

    • Rasha

      *checks watch* ….. aaannnyyy minute, now………

    • Robert Eckert

      I just hope it isn’t a cliffhanger, like that 2000 season, that was awful.

      • daisy

        I am going to be stumping for Hilary tomorrow.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Aren’t you in the wrong country? (Actually, the right one, but you know what I mean)

          • daisy

            i am just going around the neighborhood bad-mouthing Trump . ( like everyday)

            ( Thank you for setting me up , I knew you would )

            • Liberated

              Thanks D, You’ve made me happy.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Lol.

              Grass roots activism!

          • Liberated

            Little Donny’s gonna lose to a girl.
            I’m sure he’ll accept with the grace he’s shown throughout his campaign.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yes he is (despite the efforts of that FBI SOB).

              Donny’s set himself such a high standard of adult behaviour to live up to…

              …actually if he doesn’t kick over his podium and poop himself, he’ll be ahead of the game.

              Oh hey, what happened with kitty? Or have you already discussed it downthread?

            • Liberated

              Glad you asked, I am so mad at that FBI idiot, his interference in a presidential election this close to voting day is malicious and definitely unprecedented.
              Today it was announced that those new emails are nothing new and it was all for nothing.

              All it did was give trump some more energy to attack HC. Of course he won’t accept their findings, “she’s a crook…lock her up”
              When he loses, he’ll say the same thing as always…..it’s rigged.

              Why isn’t anyone talking about the rape charges he’ll be facing the end of this month?

              Well, kitty slept inside for awhile then went to the door and said”let me out”
              Tonight, I was going in and out and didn’t even realize the little bugger had been in the same spot as last night for a couple hours, yeah, I know why fight it, he/she owns me.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yep, you’re that kitty’s now. : )

              That guy has dirtied whatever good name the FBI has (don’t get me wrong, I think they do a lot of good).

              When you take on a role like that, you have to remain non-political, no matter what your own feelings are. It’s just basic being an adult stuff.

              smh.

            • Liberated

              Oh I know, he was pressured by the GOP to go after her again. Too bad they lose.

            • daisy

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/61771cb7fc9650dfaf7dde057a41da9ef3c325080bf0d518d398b16c05b8cf1d.gif
              How he will run in 2020 .I have got to stop this before my desktop is full of Trump It is not necessarily a good thing for daisy to learn

            • Liberated

              He’ll not run in 2020, but I am wishing he’ll go away and never be seen again.
              Isn’t there some talk about a one-way trip to mars, some rich guy is making it happen?

              Wishing, hoping, thinking and praying. Remember that old Dusty Springfield song?
              I think that’s a great idea!

            • daisy

              I know he will not run. I just liked this gif. I have been reading that this little farce is going to hurt in the pocketbook . He has hurt his brand and the Republican party if he loses.

            • Liberated

              The Republican Party is so broke already, tough shit…they brought it on themselves.
              What I care about now is dems winning the senate.

              Watching John Oliver now, he just mentioned scientology, he’s discussing pyramid schemes.
              Ha ,love it!!

            • daisy

              I do not mind moderates of either party if they believe in a division of church and state, I have just discovered John Oliver this year , LL is a good teacher.

            • Liberated

              Hey you, how did you learn to post pics (trump) that good?
              I’m jealous.

            • daisy

              Nat taught me how to post pictures and i just played .

            • LongtimeLurker

              You want Lurker do illustrated step by step?

            • Liberated

              Yes dear , but not right now. I’m too distracted to learn.
              Maybe I need to do some TR’s first.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Me too, and for another local guy to dump a tea party congressman also.

      • Juicer77

        Ugh I was thinking the same thing!!!

    • LongtimeLurker

      I hear good things.

      I should watch it, shouldn’t I?

      • Rasha

        Watch the International version…. it’s got the laugh track….

        • jazzlover

          Yeah, but who’s laughing at who?

        • LongtimeLurker

          Lurker actually has app to add laugh track to everything.

          You haven’t lived until you’ve seen Requiem For A Dream that way.

    • :/

    • Juicer77

      I am hiding under my bed until Weds AM. And yes, I voted.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      That is both funny and sad at the same time.

      No spoilers please. I haven’t seen the last episode. 🙂

      The rants and conspiracy claims are gonna be great, no matter how it ends.

  • Lawrence Toomajan

    It is a sad thing that almost every person trying to communicate some of L. Ron Hubbard’s written information to others is often enthusiastic about doing so and has a lot of personal integrity and honor for themselves as a communicator of such. Until the person discovers (as my mother once put it best) “the kind of kooks and one time drug addicts that work for the Church of Scientology” that the person eventually finds out are being supported by bringing new people in to the church by communicating some of L. Ron Hubbard’s written information. 🙂

    • OOkpik

      Hello, Lawrence.
      Welcome to the Bunker.

      • daisy

        i wait to welcome people because I once welcomed someone who was here for years,and i have no memory. i once welcomed an in-law into the family . We had met 2ce before.

        • OOkpik

          Haha!
          I feel your pain.

        • LongtimeLurker

          We’ve all been there.

          • Rasha

            ..sometime twice. ^_^

            • jazzlover

              Welcome, welcome!

            • Rasha

              *looks around* Woah, such a magical place!!!!

            • jazzlover

              CLEAR!

            • Rasha

              XD

        • What’sup

          Richard Grant welcomed me here. He offered me tea.

          Haven’t seen him for awhile, but i only read the comments for the first few hours.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Hi, Lawrence!

    • Rasha

      Hello, Lawrence! Yes – there is none so enthusiastic as a recent convert. Too true.

      …everybody — SKOOTCH!!

  • Happy Monday.

    • Rasha

      *looks out window* Wait, what?

  • Gus_Cox

    As a useless interesting aside: Science of Survival, at least while I was in, was often referred to as “Book Two,” with Dianetics being “Book One” of course.

  • Jimmy3

    My belly is pizza

    • Jimmy3

      wrong window

      • daisy

        Link?

    • FredEX2

      Good find Dice! Tks for posting the link.

        • You know, changing Scientology to $cientology doesn’t help search results. I stopped doing that ages ago.

          Category:David Jolly

          • LongtimeLurker

            Me too.

            I always write it properly and sometimes even The Church of Scientology, if I can be bothered. I also check the spelling of names.

            Help the Google bots spread the word, people!!

            • Google bots vs. Ron bots

            • LongtimeLurker

              Of course sometimes I forget and write ‘skin job’ instead of Scientologist. No-one’s perfect.

            • sometimes i forget and write ornithologist, and then i have one of those wth moments

            • LongtimeLurker

              Ha!

          • i know, it was something i copy/pasted from youtube

          • Juicer77

            But it makes me feel good! 😉 On Twitter I do refer to it correctly. For just this reason.

            • It’s because you have a different rewarding influx in your brain…..I think!

  • madame duran

    It just struck me that Scientology’s Tone Scale consists of TWO different/separate spectrums and not one whole. Everything from “Body Death” (0.0) to “Serenity of Beingness” (40.0) reflects the span of human experience as viewed from the Scientology perspective (an important distinction–“love” is definitely a part of human life yet it doesn’t appear on the Tone Scale. Make special note of that lurker!). This part of the scale is visible to any observer. Everything below 0.0 is Hubbard’s INTERNALIZED Tone Scale. Thinking of how Hubbard perceived himself and what he experienced in the years prior to and during the formation of Dianetics/Scientology, it was wrought with a lot of negative emotions. The worst thing for him wasn’t physical death…it was FAILURE. He battled with the notion of failure all his life (go and read his “Affirmations”) so it makes sense that abject “total failure” would be at the bottom of the scale. “Hiding”, “Pity”, “Sacrifice”, “Blame”, “Shame”, “Regret” and the various manipulations done to other bodies (thetans?) or in appeasing them–needing, owning, controlling, approval, worship, protecting–could reasonably explain how Hubbard coped or what he actually did in the face of failure. Interesting how “Accountable” is considered as a negative rather than a positive trait (hmmm…being ridiculed and answerable to medical, scientific and government authorities couldn’t possibly have affected his ego, no?).

    This secondary scale is the unseen bedrock upon which the entire Hubbardian world is built. Under the vacillation between states of aspiration (i.e. what Hubbard promised) and reality (i.e. where Scientologists spend most of their emotional energy), there lies a foundation of INSECURITY. Is it any wonder then that the idea of step-by-step self-improvement towards a bright CERTAINTY is so appealing to anyone who is profoundly insecure?

    • Juicer77

      Great comment.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Immortality and super nifty suppa powerz were what I came for, but all I got was this cheesy “Scientology, cruelest religion on earth!” t-shirt ;(

  • LongtimeLurker

    This may have been asked and answered, but why does the woman in the Scientology mission in Taiwan HAVE A SWORD?

    • What’sup

      Just be thankful she’s not in a suit of armor.

      On horseback.

      • LongtimeLurker

        That’s how she commutes.

    • madame duran

      Imitator of the IAS/St. Hill’s human mascot, that armoured medieval Crusader guy (“Dauntless. Defiant. Resolute.”)?

      • LongtimeLurker

        Good thinking.

        It’s such a beautiful, and surreptitiously violent, religion.

    • Liberated

      Huh, now that you mention it she does.
      Perhaps to keep those wogs in line.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Scary.

        • Liberated

          This is OT….you feel like being distracted? Last Tango in Paris, just came on. Yikes.
          A channel called..MGM. It’s filthy.

          • LongtimeLurker

            It is.

            My mother went to see it at the cinema when it was first released.

            Because she thought a film about dancing starring Marlon Brando sounded good.

            Boy was she surprised.

    • Jimmy3

      Ohhh, damn. It is a sword. I thought it was a dagger and she’s COB-sized.

      • Juicer77

        XD

    • Jonathan Cummings

      To keep her students from running out due to pure boredom!

  • PJK

    I love how the spokesperson phrases their thinking process: “I am not sure what I
    think about whether or not he should have made his affiliation known,
    since he was not supposed to be addressing theological issues, but
    instead was to be presenting a facts-based talk.”

    How did you determine he was giving a facts-based talk? Have you even checked with medical professionals (who are not Scientologists) that what he presented was actually considered sound and fact based?

    I think not.

  • coonellie

    Bull pucky. As a parent I investigated everyone/group that was to do a presentation at Baby C’s school. I wasn’t popular, but I didn’t care. Westside had the opportunity to do the same. Baby C’s school tried to slip one past me (and succeed), but my baby knew enough to come home and tell me.

    She’s now in University and it hasn’t changed. Guest speakers are still brought in and she comes home to say how far off base they are and no one seems to care. I’ve told her to put in her earbuds and say nothing unless it’s a COS infiltration. Then come straight home.

    • chukicita

      At a University or college level, the whole idea is to be exposed to a variety of differing views – some with which you will not agree – and sort them out by using academic discourse (which allows for dissent and disagreement).

      It’s good practice for when it happens in the rest of your life.

      • coonellie

        I agree. I think life should be like that – continually exploring and being exposed to ideas that are not necessarily my own.

        I also know that certain groups use college campuses to dupe, infiltrate and harm students. A number of really nasty groups come to mind.

        Baby C loves to investigate, explore and debate (part of her major/minor). I’m just hoping she also learns the life lesson of when to stand and when to run.

  • OOkpik

    Just mopping the Bunker floors again before the next wave of visitors.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9a4e575a61a3f011b29b7113f341087ea697e9db793564d65e7903a2c0d055a2.gif