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Scientology’s sneaky anti-psychiatry front has found a new way to target kids in Florida

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It’s time again for Rod Keller’s Scientology Social Media Review. He’s made a specialty of hunting down the odd and wonderful things Scientologists post to the ‘net. He’s a chronicler who piece by piece builds a highly detailed assessment of what Scientology is doing around the world, and this is what he found for us this week…

Scientology has a new web site and a new initiative to oppose Florida Statute Title XXIX Chapter 394.463 “Involuntary examination.” The statute is commonly known as the “Baker Act,” named after former Miami State Representative Maxine Baker, who sponsored the Florida Mental Health Act of 1971.

 
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The website, BakerActRights.org urges parents to download, complete and send to their child’s school a copy of a “non-consent” form, which is supposed to counteract the usual school consent forms.

 
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Diane Stein, the Scientologist in charge of Scientology’s CCHR group in Florida, has posted a page on Ipetitions.org titled “STOP Involuntary Commitment of Children in Florida!” which has now garnered more than 1,000 signatures. She has also created the Facebook group Individuals Against The Florida Baker Act.

I asked Scientology observer and attorney Scott Pilutik his opinion of the form, and to compare it to the language of the Baker Act.

It’s incoherent; I mean, you can ultimately tell what they’re getting at, but you shouldn’t have to read the entire thing to get what it’s trying to show. I don’t think this was written by a lawyer. This was a non-lawyer taking a crack at what they thought looked right. Even if a judge found it had some legal effect, if the school ignores the form and examines your kid, the parent goes to court after the fact; what does a judge do? There’s no statutory basis for remedies.

1. […] help of willing family members or friends or the provision of other services; or
2. There is a substantial likelihood that without care or treatment the person will cause serious bodily harm to himself or herself or others in the near future, as evidenced by recent behavior.

See “OR” separating these sub-clauses. Their form only cites b1, but b2 renders b1 moot in instances where b2 applies so the form is somewhat dishonest.

 
Sea Org member John Goodwin is posted to Author Services in Hollywood, California where he works on promoting the fictional works of L. Ron Hubbard. (He’s also married to Emily Jones, the daughter of “Call Me” billboard parents Phil and Willie Jones.) This week Goodwin quoted a Huffington Post article about the book Battlefield Earth, “an incredible science fiction journey.” The article quoted is “We Talked To The Man Directing The 47 Hour Battlefield Earth Audiobook” by Zac Thompson, listed as Outspeak Editor.

 
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I conducted a brief interview with Thompson via Twitter.

 
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The full paragraph that the quote actually comes from:

All that controversy begs the question, why would anyone attach themselves to the property now or ever. Well, voice actor, impressionist, and director Jim Meskimen is doing just that with the Battlefield Earth audiobook. It seems if we’re able to look beyond the baggage of the novel, there is an incredible science fiction journey that is relatively well received among general audiences.

 
The planned Valley Ideal Org in Van Nuys, California is under a fumigation tent this week.

 
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Clearwater Community Volunteers is a Scientology group that does fundraising for civic events in the city, and on September 17th they will host a fashion show to benefit the Police Athletic League, the Leonard Johnson Foundation, and Scientology’s own Winter Wonderland exhibit. Leonard Johnson is a former member of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and currently plays for the Carolina Panthers. In the past Johnson has raised money for the Scientology tutoring school Community Learning Center.

 
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Top Scientology donor and Flag Public Patrick Clouden is endorsing Donald Trump for President, partly because in 2001 the Donald Trump Foundation donated $1,000 to Scientology’s New York Rescue Workers Fund, which used the Purification Rundown to allegedly help 9/11 first responders rid themselves of toxins accumulated in their fatty tissues from the incident.

 
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Jeremy Haley and Christina Clark (with Executive Director Gary Smith) are the most recent graduates from the Narconon Arrowhead facility. The two graduates are from the Ponca tribe, one of the tribes that owned the now-closed Narconon Chilocco facility.

 
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Scientology participated in the National Night Out crime prevention event in New York City this week.

 
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Scientology also distributed its anti-drug literature in Duesseldorf, Germany this week.

We had lots of fun and great comm-cycles with people who are looking for real help and information. Our Team handed out 1314 booklets to people and into shops nearby.

 
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Jazz legends Chick Corea and Stanley Clarke performed at the Harlem Ideal Org opening last week.

 
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Bay Area rapper Chill EB met up with Clarke as well.

 
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The Brighton, England org held an Ideal Org fundraiser this week featuring staffer Chris Sharp as the solitary Musketeer, in search of others to join staff. At least two, preferably.

 
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The Chelyabinsk, Russia event this week featured staff members in Japanese Kabuki makeup.

 
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— Rod Keller

 
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  • endoftheQ

    OK, gassing BTs, that’s new.

  • What’sup

    “At least two, preferably”

    You crack me up.

  • Jack99

    How drunk was Hubbard when he came up with the term “comm-cycle”?

    • Baby

      f5

      • beauty for ashes

        lol that is one sad drunk emoji!

  • Edward Whalley

    Three little maids from school? Those Russians look painful.Just painful.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    The Baker Act form is just plain pig-headedness on the part of $cientology.
    In truth, without some legal way to hold those who are a danger to themselves
    and others, law-enforcement can be stymied.

    Their arrogance knows no bounds though they base it on the ravings of a lunatic.
    Jeremy Perkins comes to mind immediately.

    And is their kind of treatment such an improvement over psychiatry?
    Lisa’s appalling last weeks and tragic death would seem to put the lie to that.

    Idiots with “certainty” following a certain idiot.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I really need to read up on this Baker Act thing (although it has no affect on me) because as far as I was aware, even if a school feels that a student is in trouble or is a danger to themselves or others, they can’t just toss them into psychiatric care without the child’s parent/s.

      That’s just me though. If my sons school thought this about him I’d want to know immediately and I’d want them to work together with me to see that he got any help he might need, no matter what it was.

      • chukicita

        It’s not school. School can’t decide on its own, there has to be medical people involved that agree this person needs to be evaluated and they present a threat of harm to themselves or others. They can hold someone for up to 72 hours to evaluate them using modern mental health measurements. That’s it.

        EDIT: Scn seems to think also that “school” prescribes and administers drugs to students. This is also not true.

    • Juicer77

      You just KNOW what they mean by “…. seek other services if necessary.” One guess who they’re talking about. *shudder*

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        First thing caught my eye, yes!

    • aegerprimo

      Eloquently said.

    • Mary

      Yup. The Baker Act ALMOST saved Lisa McPherson. Too bad The Baker Act couldn’t have KEPT her in the hospital or at least prevented her from being released to scientologists and then to The Ft. Harrison Hotel where her days were then truly numbered.

    • MCurie

      The link to the Baker Act in the Bunker post didn’t work for me. Here is a link
      http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399/0394/0394.html
      Then scroll down about 1/3 the page to section 394.463 Involuntary examination.

  • hansje brinker

    What if L Ron Hubbard was a single mum on benefits: would she sign the “non-consent” form? (f5)

    • Baby

      OMG..hahahhahahhahaa

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I’m disturbed….yet I can’t look away. LOL

      • Wog

        If that was L Ron – he wouldn’t be holding a child – he would have that thetan in full uniform scrubbing decks and living in the bowels of the Chain Locker aboard his SHIP of HORRORS!

    • Baby

      This is one hell of a shoop.. Wow

      • hansje brinker

        I saw it on Twitter….!

        • murmur

          Props for the reddish tint in that rear hair highlight !

        • Baby

          It is absolutely perfect! Thanks Hansje

    • What’sup

      I can’t believe anybody could get drunk enough to fuck her.

    • OOkpik

      This is so good – and so WRONG!

      • madge filpot

        Totally ewwwww.. and brilliant all at the same time! lol

    • Omg! she looks like someone i know 🙂

      • joan nieman

        That’s even scarier!

    • Mary

      What a disgusting thought. It was bad enough that he was a dad.

    • David Arum

      This is really strange and I hope good photoshopping.

    • joan nieman

      Surreal! That is just so creepy good.

  • Juicer77

    f5

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Chris Sharp, I will rip that Fleur de Lis right off your chest. GRRRRRR!!!

    • What’sup

      Cut Chris some slack will ya. He’s clearly struggling.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        The Atlantic Ocean is protecting him. It’s all good. 😀

    • Juicer77

      Lookout, she’s taking her earrings off!!! RUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNN

    • Luke Martinelli

      Fleur de Lis… I was wondering why he had a banana with arms and legs on his chest.
      Worst Fleur de Lis ever!

      • ExCult.Jan

        Bad attempt at a spaceship is what I saw.

    • TexasBroad

      It looks more like a silhouette of Patrick from Spongebob Squarepants than it does a Fleur Dr Lis.

  • Baby

    Great Post today Mr. Keller… Lots of info..f5

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Adding my thanks to Baby’s. Cheers, Rod!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Breaking News
    Sunday, 7th August, 2016
    with our sports correspondents, S. Teroids and Jonny Mellow

    Rio de Janeiro

    Serbian Rowing Team Capsizes
    In unclement weather, in the sewage-strewn bay, the Serbian team were unceremoniously dumped into the water by a combination of wind and waves.
    They were immediately con-tacted by the $cientology delegation to sign them up for the Sea Org.
    “They have already proven themselves – overboarding, shit-swimming, bad weather,” said spokesliar Karin Puow
    speaking from the Outhouse of Insignificance

    And in other news, no athletes from Antarctica or $cientology have won any medals
    in the Rio Olympics although the $cientology teams for Synchronized Drowning and
    Blind Biathlon are heavily tipped to medal.
    Their World Record holders in Men’s Solo Parking, Mixed Parking and Parking-
    Individual Medley were detained at Tampa International Airport when they refused to display the
    SuperPowers they had in their carry-on luggage.
    The Alien Repulsion Team were disqualified late last month for suspicious amounts of delusion
    and Kool-Aid in both their A and B blood samples.
    The NSA refused to comment.

    • I love that picture. Hubbard was going for ‘English Country Gentleman’ (having just bought a Manor House) but the gloves and the stance say ‘ Wannabe East End Gangster’.

      I wonder what he would have been known as to his associates, if he had taken that career up… Ron ‘the yap’ Hubbard?

      • ExCult.Jan

        Fitty Billion? RonCon? LMcP_Killah?

        • joan nieman

          Fiddy.

          • ExCult.Jan

            My badd.

      • LHS

        He also claimed to have won the manor house in a poker game for some reason… I never understood that.

        • He was building his personal myth – and I also think he enjoyed deceiving people in order to dominate them. That, and their money was the only use he had for them.

      • joan nieman

        Everything he had was from other people’s money.

        • Yes. It makes me thing of that late picture of him in New York hotel, sitting on the bed surrounded by expensive toys (e.g. and excellent camera and lens, just out of the box).

          However, his hair (what’s left of it) is long and he looks isolated and confused. It didn’t do him any good, in the end.

  • Jeb Burton

    I’m a huge bucs fan and never heard of Leonard Johnson. But the Police Athletic League does good work. I bet the cult let him have the Ft. Harrison for a cut of the take.

  • Baby

    night good people.. be safe in here.. see you in 8 .. love baby f5

    • Rasha

      (shnuggles)

      • Baby

        Oh Rashie no one has ever Shnuggled me before xo

    • BraveBloggers

      I need an owl in a knitted cap. I need it. Not want it. I will carry him in my pocket and teach him to deliver parcels like a Harry Potter owl.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Or, why not get a whole flock of those cute little creatures, teach them to shit on cue, then do an Ideal Org opening ‘fly-by’ and provide DM the kind of recognition and respect that he really deserves?

        • BraveBloggers

          Nope…no recognition from cute owls in ah-may-zing headgear, even if they excrete on command. That’s too close contact for these precious winged dahlings.

          Besides, I heard swine have the excretion market cornered. 💩

      • Baby

        Isn’t that owl adorable.. Blogger…OMG Well in that case I Need one too..

        I’ll keep my eye out for 2.. xo

        • BraveBloggers

          Then I will get a matching jumper for yours as well.

          • Baby

            OH Yes!

  • If there’s one thing I specifically hate it’s that nonsense about drugs accumulating in fat cells – ‘magic’ drugs that are never, ever used up or metabolised and can supposedly produce ‘flashbacks’ for the rest of your life.

    No matter how they desperately dress it up https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/01/16/a-scientific-paper-about-narconon-financed-by-the-church-of-scientology-and-written-by-scientologists-what-could-go-wrong/ drugs are very biochemically active substances – they have to be to work – and they are reduced to undetectable levels in days, weeks or months.

    One side effect of this is to frighten kids who are subjected to Narconon’s programme of ‘educational presentations’ in schools thinking that, just because they tried something once, the ‘residues’ will be with them for the rest of their lives – unless they undertake what the Scientologists tell them is the only program that can get rid of them – the ‘purif’.

    • PickAnotherID

      I wish more states would do what California did, and professional medical people review that crap. Or at least give the California report http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/at/narcononevaluation.asp a hard look before letting the “Truth About Drugs/narCONon” bozos anywhere near kids.

    • As usual they got it upside down:

      “Flashbacks are often associated with mental illness as they are a symptom and a feature in diagnostic criteria for posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD), acute stress disorder, and obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD).[2] Flashbacks have also been observed in people suffering from manic depression, depression, homesickness, near-death experiences, epileptic seizures, and drug abuse.[21] Some researchers have suggested that the use of some drugs can cause a person to experience flashbacks;[23][24] users of lysergic acid diethylamide sometimes report “acid flashbacks”. While other studies show that the use of drugs, specifically cannabis, can help reduce the occurrence of flashbacks in people with PTSD.”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flashback_(psychology)

    • Thank you for making this point. The “drugs magically stop being highly reactive and all flock to fat cells where they wait for years/decades until magically they emerge on some random signal to resume their full-on effect” nonsense makes my blood boil, more than so than almost all the rest of the dangerous nonsense in Scientology. That theory of drugs in the fat cells was known to be nonsense when Hubbard “researched” it. And modern pharmacokinetics has made the craziness of Hubbard’s statement even more apparent now than when he made it.

      Fortunately, Narconon has lost so much credibility the people willing to bring in that particular “free” drug treatment program to their schools has dropped significantly. However, that doesn’t mean we should stop trying to turn the number of schools looking at Narconon from “almost none” to “exactly none.”

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Nothing like bringing some actual science to bear on claims that one can actually examine empirically, as opposed to extra-dimensional ‘body thetans’ whose existence a well beyond the realm of science to determine. But, if they got that one wrong, and Elron was never able to objectively verify any of his ‘past life’ experience even for himself; or ‘cure’ acute psychosis by locking folks up and refusing to talk them; or enable anyone to gain psychic super powers through auditng…well then, at some point along the way ya just gotta start to wonder about the whole thing 😉

    • aegerprimo

      Anyone with basic understanding of human physiology knows about the liver and metabolism

      • I’m thinking of 13-year-olds who, even if they have that level of understanding, might find it overridden by what amounts to Narconon scare tactics.

  • OOkpik

    CCHR – the fox guarding the henhouse.

  • Newiga

    Heeey, Valley!!! I love the BT fumigation tent! Very…. Carnival!

  • madge filpot

    Why does Chill EB have 2 silver worms hanging off his chinny? They look ridiculous imho only of course. But then.. I’m not “cool”. lol

    • They’re so he can be plugged directly into his Quantum Mk 8 e-meter for sec-checks.

      • madge filpot

        HAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. But of course! Silly moi!

      • He’s a human e-meter. People hold his chin-cans and he can tell what’s going on.

    • Graham

      It’s one of the ways Scientologists try to convince themselves they are free: smoke, swear, dress up in wacky costumes, hang worms from your chin. Mad buggers we are. Doncha wish you were free like us?

    • Fred G. Haseney

      Chill EB’s silver worms are where his body thetans reside, madge filpot.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I’m not cool either, so maybe it is a cool thing for him to do (I would not know) – but it somehow made me think it is a costume from Battlefield Earth.

    • Sine qua non

      Not a good look, IMHO.

  • Rasha

    “How anyone could even remotely consider Battlefield Earth to be anything other than the piece of garbage that it is, is astounding. One cannot, in good conscience, place it in the realm of masterpieces, and should burn it like a brown paper bag of crap that should be placed at its author’s door. Do not read it!

    “Battlefield Earth… is astounding …. in the realm of masterpieces…. read it!”

    …wow…. this is easy.

    • Someone put a link to one of my blog posts on Reddit. It discussed the (included) scan of an article from a British science fiction magazine in the 90’s, which assessed Hubbard’s fiction and closely examined “Battlefield Earth” and “Mission Earth”. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2016/08/03/a-literate-science-fiction-magazine-considers-l-ron-hubbards-fiction-writing/

      It concluded that they were awful vanity publications which should never have seen the light of day. – which has pretty much been the consensus among critics generaly (or anyone who can read, for that matter).

      The comments include several from a person who tries to make BE sound really exciting and entertaining but absolutely denies being encouraged to hype the novel. He likes the film too. https://www.reddit.com/r/scientology/comments/4wbazn/a_literate_science_fiction_magazine_considers_l/

      They really are putting everything they have into hyping this sad book into some best-seller list somewhere. I think their only chance is the little-known list, “Top ten novels about Scotsmen saving the world from alien invasion under the leadership of a man with a silly name”.

    • Noesis

      The hijacking of a shortened quoted phrase so that it is out of context to the point of being not just meaningless, but nearly the opposite of the original intention of the quoted person is typical of the clownish amateurs that operate the scam of Scientology. They have almost no support outside their tiny group, thus much like Hubbard falsely claiming to be a “nuclear physicist” they have to invent credibility…to appear credible.

      The instance highlight below is reminiscent of the scathing series of L A Times articles by Robert Welkos and Joel Sappell in the 80’s where the Xenu story and dozens of other former secrets of the church were described in great detail. Church management read the articles, then edited out the words “Scientology works” from a much longer sentence that did not actually have that meaning at all, put quotes around the words “Scientology works” and attributed the quote to the LA Times. These words were then plastered on billboards in Los Angeles. Dozens of people I knew outside the church made great hilarity out of the obvious deception but every single staff or Sea Org member I spoke with thought it was a giant PR coup for the church. Cringe.

      The billboard aspect of this particular episode is ironic given the John Goodwin connection (and his marriage to Emily Jones.)

      Call Me.

      Lol.

      • They are also fond of the following quote:

        History has become a race between Dianetics and catastrophe. Dianetics will win if enough people are challenged in time to understand it.

        Dr Fredrick L Schuman in the New York Times

        They don’t mention that this is taken from a letter published in the NYT written by a Scientologist, not from the content of the paper.

        Whenever you look at positive quotes like this they always turn out to hinky in some way.

        • Noesis

          Yes…Scientology is the scam that keeps on scamming.

          The proofs are manifold.

    • ExCult.Jan

      21% astounding

    • ExCult.Jan

      It IS easy.
      And it’s my favorite Sunday playtime.

  • Graham

    In England being held involuntarily for mental health reasons is usually referred to as ‘being sectioned’ [ie being held under the relevant section of the Mental Health Act]. This requires the involvement of three professionals, usually an Approved Mental Health Professional (someone, such as a Social Worker, who has had extra training to carry out these assessments), and two doctors.

    The Baker Act seems to have looser criteria: “A physician, clinical psychologist, psychiatric nurse, mental health counselor, marriage and family therapist, or clinical social worker can execute a certificate” [http://www.wikihow.com/Baker-Act-Someone].

    As it’s vital to have the ability to detain someone against their will if they are an immediate danger to themselves or others, do other States of the Union all have versions of The Baker Act/Sectioning? Is there one in particular which is seen as the ‘gold standard’?

    • They managed to get the Texas batshit-for-brains governor to veto a law which would have let qualified hospitals hold someone a few hours while they completed the evaluation for their Baker Act-equivalent.

      That would have interfered with their tactic of rushing in with a squad of Scientologists to get the person out of there and into Scientology’s quality care. (See Lisa McPherson.)

      Anything involving Baker Act type laws always sets them off, and not just because of their hate of all things psychiatric.

  • 10oriocookies

    Ouch. Looks like Gary Smith is working in the Tech Division now with his green tie. So do they have only one student now? He looks beat down.

    • chukicita

      Oops!

      The annual fashion show (now in its 13th year?) always says it supports 2 established local charities and then Winter Wonderland. We’ll get back to the 2 wog charities in a minute.

      On their 990s, they occasionally list Winter Wonderland among the events, how much they spent and how much they made on it. Wait. How much they *made*? I thought WW was supposed to be free, and wait – aren’t they raising even more for it through the fashion show?

      Okay, the wog charities are usually well-known, like Shriner’s Hospital or The Children’s Home. Yet I don’t see evidence of gifts to these organizations commensurate with the amount reported raised. Which means the bulk of it is probably going to Winter Wonderland. I’d also have questions about years when things like food are not reported as an event expense at this $800/table dinner.

      The thing is, they’re not making a lot of money here; other than an odd financial belch of $200K back in 2007, it’s pretty much peanuts as community organizations go. If they were really trying to do good in the community or raise funds for the wog organizations, THEY COULD with what they’re bringing in, but they choose instead to prop their own events up.

      This year, for the first time, I see one of the “wog” organizations is a brand new (2015) foundation that I can’t find any info on other than a $50,000 GoFundMe for the organization’s treasurer to help her deal with a rare skin disorder. Why would they choose a new foundation with no money in it and no track record of community service to support (however lightly) with (some of) the proceeds of the fashion show?

      • Do you have Clearwater Community Volunteers 2015 Form 990? (From where?)

        • chukicita

          No, the last one I have is 2014, from Guidestar. The 2015 foundation is one they are “supporting” with this year’s fashion show, according to the flyer. Leonard Johnson Fdn.

        • chukicita

          Oh, and here’s CCV’s financial belch – also from Guidestar.

  • PickAnotherID

    A state by state summary of the laws for “Emergency Hospitalization for a Psychiatric Evaluation” can be found here:

    http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/legal-resources/state-standards/emergency-hospitalization-for-evaluation

  • “John Goodman” ?

    • chukicita

      LOL! Great minds.

  • chukicita

    Correction? John Good*man* (appears twice in paragraph preceding image of John Good*win*’s lame attempt to link Huffington Post to a positive statement about BE)

    • Rod Keller

      Oops.

      • chukicita

        It’s okay, Unca Rod. You gave us such a cornucopia today!

    • TonyOrtega

      Fixed

      • aegerprimo

        Thank you.

    • Rasha

      • chukicita

        BWAAA! Exactly! 😀

        • Rasha

          …couldn’t resist…. ^_^

      • You are so funny… you know what movie that is from? i need to watch him.

        • Rasha

          “The Big Lebowski”. A unique movie, to be sure…. ^_^

      • JaxNGold

        Brilliant film. Never gets old. John Goodman and Jeff Bridges kill it! 😆😆

  • PickAnotherID

    Is that really a ‘fumigation’ tent over the Valley wanna-be org, or is that just an excuse to stop people from taking pictures of the still not completed interior??

    • Bo

      Maybe they have bedbugs.

  • Phatpharm

    The contract should be interesting to see invoked. Courts are deciding against Christain Sceintists for refusing to seek medical help for their children, because they are children. They are putting parents on trial. If your 12 year old tries to or commits suicide I would hate to have this refusal to get my child help on file. Just a thought.

  • MM

    “2. I do not relinquish all rights to, custody of, and time sharing with this/these minor child(ren)”

    Grammar question: What does it mean when you’re saying “I do not [verb] all [nouns]”: does it mean none (as in, “not any single one of them”, which presumably is what they are aiming for), or does it actually mean not all (as in, “maybe some, but not every one of them down to and including the last one”)?

    Suppose I’m saying “I don’t believe all claims L. Ron Hubbard made”: does this mean I’m rejecting every single one of his claims, or do I allow for at least one believable claim he might have made?

    If it’s the latter (not all), then it looks like by signing this a parent might do just the opposite of what they were trying to achieve (they actually agree to relinquish some rights).

    Also, I sincerely hope that no one ever signs this document without consulting their lawyer first, for one of the “claims made” that you are “swearing or affirming under oath” are truthful is that you have “full knowledge of the legal effect of this non-consent”.

    • None of it is literate – and clarity is vital in a legal document. This would not have any effect in a court of law because they would not be able to decide what is was actually supposed to mean – a common enough flaw in the writings of Scientologists.

      The ambiguity you identify is only part of it. If you stare at the test very hard, you can only conclude that it can’t be saved, and needs redrafting completely (and by someone who knows the law, too).

      Scientologists have this notion that they can do anything because they must have acquired relevant expertise in a previous life, and this delusion leads them to bigger mistakes than playing at lawyers. Their denial of scientific medicine causes more harm than this document ever will.

    • Yeah, “all” should have been “any”.

    • BosonStark

      Time sharing? What, a kid is like a condo now? Keep your kid fueled on barley water, because Dr. Hubbard said that…

    • aegerprimo

      The badly written form/contract is badly written.

  • aquaclara

    What a bizarre contract. If you sent that into school with your child, the school might rightfully wonder what is wrong with you. Seriously, starting the school year with a move that makes you look like a nut job parent is likely to hurt your child, not help them.

    How nice of Scientology to offer valet parking for all who come to the fashion show at the Fort Harrison. Of course, they will inspect, film and perhaps bug your car. But this way, you will be spared the sight of the RPFers living in the parking deck. Go on merrily believing that Scientology is only interested in fashion and charity while ignoring the slave labor and abuse that goes on. Yep, that’s both epic and historic. And illegal.

    • Rasha

      (drones placed at the DMV prepare for “reference” work…)

    • aegerprimo

      Slave labor – Sea Org members (many from Russia) – will cook and serve for that event.
      Makes me want to puke.

  • Kim O’Brien

    Gotta love getting parenting advice from scientologists . Like that will ever happen

  • chukicita

    Ponca kids at Narconon- breaks my heart.

    The Ponca had their own substance abuse treatment and facilities (one for men, one for women, to align with their way of treatment). They didn’t want or trust Narconon, and said so clearly: http://newsok.com/article/2338532

    • Yeah, I would have expected them to be from the Tonkawa, who were keen on Narconon as well as having a nuclear dump site on the res.

      Category:Ponca

      • chukicita

        Making 5 tribes come together to agree on anything is ridiculous – Ponca, Tonkawa, Kew and a couple others all had to agree to lease the land to Narconon. And then they made the lease for 25 years when legally they weren’t supposed to go over 10 years.

        • Enturbulated Masterbator

          That’s $cientology…bringing imperialism to Teegeeack and beyond ignoring all sovereign tribes and lands.

        • They kept blowing off the state by saying “Can’t touch us, we’re on tribal land! Neener-neener!” while ignoring the tribes when they said “Umm, no. You have to comply with Oklahoma laws. That’s what’s in your lease. Please don’t invoke treaty law; that’s our call, not yours.”

          When the five tribe Chilocco Development Authority wanted them out, Narconon had a sock-puppet Tonkawa group with no authority let them stay. In the end, the Chilocco Development Authority was dissolved, and they handed the problem to the Bureau of Indian Affairs (and prodded them to get it done).

          They were less pleasant and harder to get rid of than bed bugs.

          Category:Narconon Chilocco

          • Observer

            Scientology in a nutshell.

  • Yes, I know this article is three years old now, but when you laugh at the pathetic ‘Musketeer’ in today’s post, bear in mind that the Brighton Org also participates in stuff like this http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10714636.___Hostile____protest_by_Scientology_group_outside_Brighton_Dome/

    They are clowns, but they still do significant harm.

    • Over the years, the Brighton org seems to have been responsible for almost as many deaths and suicides as Saint Hill. Not the most enviable record.

      • It just gets better, doesn’t it?

    • He also books in creeps like Michael Chan.

      Thursday Funnies May 5, 2016, Mike Rinder, Something Can Be Done About It

    • Graham

      “Their ignorance and refusal to engage in debate or discussion was shocking. When we tried to explain our opinions, some protesters literally put their fingers in their ears and refused to listen. The protesters denied our experiences and attempted to intimidate us.”

      How very Scientological. What a bunch of vile, moronic, unempathic, shitty losers to harass young people with mental health issues in this way. PUT THEIR FINGERS IN THEIR EARS?! What happened to ‘communication is the universal solvent’ and ‘be able to communicate with anybody on any subject’ and all the other trite, second-hand nostrums peddled by the Flubtard they’ve given their souls to?

      • “Against stupidity, the Gods themselves contend in vain”
        Schiller

  • Panopea Abrupta

    A blue whale has flukes
    $cientology has flakes

    $cientology parents?
    Sweet Xenu and all the heavenly Choirs of Body Thetans, save us.
    Talk about going to St. Hell in a clambucket!

    This mamma gorilla knows more about parenting than a man who abandoned
    and was a deadbeat dad for his first two children, kidnapped and disowned his
    third and drove one of his later children to suicide and left the eldest of those
    a virtual slave in a prison camp.

    This lunatic also chain-lockered a deaf-mute child and others and had
    pre-pubescent scantily-clad young women filling his bath for him, holding
    his ashtrays for him and dressing him.
    On his watch, Sea Org kids were given the Romanian orphan treatment.

    Coerced abortions were his protege’s con-tribution.
    Pedophiles have been sheltered by these creeps too.
    Teens are routinely bullied into signing one-billion year contracts by these clowns
    WITH their $cientology parents’ con-sent.

    And we still have disconnection and family breakup as an omnipresent blackmail back-drop.
    I despair of the species sometimes.

    • aegerprimo

      Don’t despair Pan Ab. There are way more good apples than rotten.

  • EnthralledObserver

    AND $cientology goes after the children… again.
    Seems like the children of today’s world are under attack by all manner of ideologies and agendas… this is, of course, the best way of exerting change on the next generation without having to provide logical arguments and actual scientific proof of validity and success of your radical theories, social engineering and Marxist reforms.

    • Kim O’Brien

      make sure you don’t ever leave the house or ever talk to anyone . The end is near …the terrorists are going to get you …and gay people are gonna make you eat gay cake . The post you made at 2:30 am your time yesterday …was sure terrifying . The fact that you made it at 2:30 in the morning …gee …you must be terrified . Be afraid …be very , very afraid

      • I left my gay caek out in the rain. That sweet green icing sure makes a mess . . .

        • aegerprimo

          Heh heh!

      • gtsix

        There’s gay cake? I need this recipe for the gay cake asap. I am going to invite 100 neighborhood children over today, need to start the forced conversions before school starts up again. Cake will help.

        • Kim O’Brien

          i can get you a great deal from a local printer so you can have flyers for the ” gay agenda you keep shoving down our throats ” 😉

          • Graham

            Yeah. Those gays. I swear they won’t rest until they’ve got us all converted.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i have a huge crush on Jodie Foster ….not even gonna lie

            • gtsix

              We’re just trying to make everyone happy.

              Now have some cake.

            • Juicer77

              LOLing… XD

          • gtsix

            Thank you, I will finely grind this agenda and include it in the cake. People will then shove the gay agenda down their own throats.

            Gay cake for.the win!

          • Scott H

            Makes me wish I was gay so I’d have a proper agenda for once.

    • aegerprimo

      Teach our children critical thinking. (I lacked that training when young and so I joined a cult.)

      • Scott H

        5 words. So powerful yet so elusive.

      • “Teach our children critical thinking.”
        Could be considered social engineering and Marxist reform.

        • aegerprimo

          Why do you say that?

          • Facetiously in response to the comment I was responding to.

            • aegerprimo

              I still don’t get what you mean… but today is a new day. ☺

    • 1. Have a theory unsupported by facts.
      2. See the world through it.
      3. Apply it to everything.
      4. Let your brain rest.

  • BosonStark

    Scientology needs to be examined by a psychiatrist. Do they have a non-consent form for that? If they do, I will give my full non-consent for Scientology to not be examined by a psychiatrist.

  • Narapoid

    That letter looks like a “regg” push form: “I have to make sure that it is understood by the church that I wore my hat in telling you about these very important programs. If you would just initial and sign below:”

    After being presented with data from the _______, I DO NOT want to help with the dissemination of Scientology world wide.

    Also, after acknowledging that this effort is critical to the saving of this sector of the universe, I DO NOT want to assist with the construction of LRH hall.

    I UNDERSTAND that copies of this form will be forwarded to my PC and ETHICS file.

  • BosonStark

    Yeah, a general audience is going for Battlefield Earth in droves, if by general, you mean Scientologists. More specifically, ones who work for Bridge Publications. These are the same nutters who push Dianutty as if it’s the greatest book ever written, but don’t always read it themselves.

  • aegerprimo

    Sunday funnies are not so funny.
    Seriously…. thanks Rod for bringing us the extreme weird of the Co$.

  • Brighton beware! (Renew that little plastic button thing on the end of his fencing-foil before he does any more harm):

    • jazzlover

      Nuthin’ like watching a feur de lis go limp in real time 😉

      • Snortimer’s a Deflater Schwein.

    • LoL! That Dick?

    • He’s reading Snortimer’s excuse note:

      “It is by my order and for the good of the org that the bearer of this has done what he has done. – COB”

    • Missionary Kid

      *Laughing* I caught your sly changes to the coat of arms on his chest. Perfect.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        It’s the little touches that count! Now THAT’S what I call “straight up and vertical”.

        • Missionary Kid

          It’s only “straight up and vertical” in the left picture. In the right one, it symbolizes the strength of $cientology.

    • Draco

      Fleur de pénis…

  • burythenuts

    Gary Smith no longer qualifies for his “pornstache dude” status.
    Now he just looks haggard and slightly confused.

    • aegerprimo

      He looks like a whack-job. Just sayin’

      • Maybe they’ll Dennis Clarke him soon?

    • what’s he doing out of jail, anyway? Public not prosecuting? Shame on them!

  • From the Burning Hypocrisy Department:

    The Life Center for a New Tomorrow, which has appeared here before, had their care facility license yanked by Tennesse, still open somehow, has the brass nerve to have a “Reporting abuse by psychiatrists” page on their site: http://www.lifecenterforanewtomorrow.com/psychiatricabuse.htm

    I wish Tennesse had a more minion-friendly license search page. Still no sign of an IRS non-profit record under that name, surprising.

  • Bert Allen

    I think a layman took a form designed to be submitted to a school district to certify the intent to home school a child and tried to modify it to deal with the psychiatric issue, which resulted in a very muddled document. If I was a school administrator receiving this form I would be contacting the parents to determine when they were going to remove their child for home schooling. I would not accept the form to deal only with psychiatric treatment, because of the very broad overarching language in the first few paragraphs. I do not know what the practice is in Florida, but in every state I have lived no school system would enroll a child in psychiatric treatment without the agreement of the parents, unless the child was clearly an immediate threat to harm themselves or others. This excludes school counselors whose work is really more akin to social work than psychiatric counseling.

  • Missionary Kid

    There are strong similarities between Roger Ailes and David Miscavige. No, I’m not talking about sexual harassment, but of both using Private Investigators to attack those they felt were enemies and to dig up dirt on anyone they didn’t like. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/08/ailes-used-fox-budget-to-finance-campaigns-against-enemies.html

    • worstcultever

      Damn I am loving Gabriel Sherman’s devastating exposés of the Fox News cult. He is absolutely Tony Ortega-ing that shit!

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I love that Tony Ortega-ing has become a verb!

    • A True Prince

      I was just about to mention that as well, congrats on finding that first and just what is it with obese men and attempting to wield power?

      • Missionary Kid

        Obese older men who are obnoxious use their powerful positions to force themselves on women. It’s a matter of absolute power corrupting absolutely.

    • Susan black

      Is it a given that dm doesn’t sexually harass women?

      • Missionary Kid

        I haven’t heard of any, that’s why I’m not going to make the accusation. Otherwise, he’s an equal opportunity abuser.

        • Susan black

          I wonder if he might be asexual?

          • Missionary Kid

            Could be. It doesn’t matter to me. At best, he’s a dick.

            • Susan black

              Yup, just a tiny dick. We’ve heard so many reports of abuse by DM…both verbal and physical. Dave seems to thrive on it. Why would he leave out sexual abuse in his bag of tricks when it can be so devastating to those who receive it? And that includes men, too.

            • Missionary Kid

              Ratcavige certainly does assault people verbally, and attacking their sexuality verbally is only one part of it. His physical assaults have not been reported as sexual in nature.

              Abusers, as far as I know, aren’t of the one-size-fits-all variety. The report that I remember, he had one woman hit another. Of the men attacked, none have reported sexual physical attacks, IIRC.

  • worstcultever

    Ok, I think there needs to be a campaign to counter this burgeoning and troubling Lies About Drugs infestation of street fairs and other such events. My suggestion, which would only take a single person: stand next to the booth/table with a sign reading NOTICE: THIS IS SCIENTOLOGY and an arrow pointing toward the table.

    Same for the Kill-the-Shrinks stuff, maybe just with a simple paper handout bearing the same message. The best way to hobble a front group is to simply strip it of its frontitude, no?

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Yep, whatever these various front groups call themselves, or however hard they work to disguise their connection to $cn, they are all fundamentally grounded in one aspect of $cn ‘tech’ or its fundamental beliefs. In fact, their primary purpose in being created in the first place was to be a vehicle for the ‘quiet’ or indirect dissemination of $cn and to act as an on-ramp to get people on the bridge without them realizing it.

      Nowadays, being in any way associated with $cn is increasingly the kiss of death for groups and individuals. That’s because most folks have had their consciousness raised about what $cn actually does, rather than just what they say. They know that, instead of being “the coolest religion in the world,” it’s the cruelest religion in the world! That’s not going to change because there’s evidence that the cherch intends to change its behavior.

  • Racnad

    Does anyone know in general if Scientologists tend to support Donald Trump? He reminds me of L. Ron Hubbard in a number of ways.

    • worstcultever

      Dunno about the political support, but you’re definitely not the only one to see all kinds of Ron Hubbard in the Big Yam’s schtick!

    • ExCult.Jan

      Well, they are both narcissistic psychopathic power-hungry dweebs, after all.
      Oh, and everything on this 50-point check list, too.
      https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/201208/dangerous-cult-leaders

      • BronxLaurie10

        That list is scary in how perfectly it describes Hubbard and Trump.

    • Missionary Kid

      The American Psychiatric Association issues a warning: No psychoanalyzing Donald Trump, but, reading the article, it’s been done a lot before to other celebrities.
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/07/the-american-psychiatric-association-reminds-its-doctors-no-psychoanalyzing-donald-trump/

      • scottmercer

        Yes, it is irresponsible for laymen to do so, and also for professionals to do so without talking to the person at length. However, it is also irresponsible not to point out where his actions match up with well-known diagnoses. Such evaluations are not enough to commit a person involuntarily for psychiatric inpatient treatment, but they are MORE than enough to deny a person the Office of the Presidency, which is highly rigorous and encompasses huge repsonsibilities and requires constant dispassionate thought and consideration. Holding that office is a privilege for which only the most exemplary humans should even be considered.

        • Missionary Kid

          Agreed. The article implies that if a professional does it, that they should say that they have never had the subject as a patient or talked to them at length.

          I happen to think that Trump is a narcissistic sociopath, but what do I know?

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Sure, but it’s a total cottage industry and a lot of fun to boot! If you’re an educated lay person, then all you need to do is insert weasel words, like “appears to have a pronounced tendency towards narcissism” or “displays many attributes of socipathy”…see, lots o’ fun!

          Besides, most of those psychiatric disorders are diagnosed, based on the frequency, intensity and duration of specific symptom clusters that are descriptive in nature, rather than on the basis of genetic/biochemical/neuropathological markers and tests. So, it’s already pretty darned subjective already. For example, when I was working in special ed and regularly interfaced with the psychologists and psychiatrists who were authorized to make official diagnoses, I remember when the official manual was revised and a new disorder appeared, “Intermittent explosive disorder”. Yep,exactly like it sounds, every once in while and for no apparent reason, little Bobby just nuts the fuck up and goes on a rampage, then settles down…rinse and repeat 😉

        • jazzlover

          Please list all the “exemplary humans” who have held that office. LOL

  • TexasBroad

    From the website linked above….

    “The Citizens Commission on Human Rights of Florida worked with two attorneys to put together the NON-CONSENT form.” The attorneys are unnamed, of course. My guess is they obtained generic Consent forms from two law offices and then absolutely butchered them to make this Non-Consent form.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    The Brighton Ideal Org will need THREE musketeers PLUS they’ll need D’Artagnan as soon as possible for his sword fighting and to attract young ladies.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgleK9W-fec

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    Valley Org fumigation for termites. How much structural damage did they do before discovery and fumigation?

    • worstcultever

      Somebody should send that glorious pic to Her Royal Governor. $500k per stripe! Such win!

    • Scott H

      None, thanks to the monumentally successful application of Termite Tech™.

    • scottmercer

      Nice place. Right next to the airport, the liquor store and the homeless shelter.

    • Missionary Kid

      I know that the head termite wasn’t in the tent: Ratcavige.

  • HelluvaHoax!

    Zac Thompson (contributor to Huffington Post) is quoted (above) in a review of the audio Battlefield Earth as saying: “All that controversy begs the question, why would anyone attach themselves to the property now or ever.”

    Agreed that it prompts or ‘asks’ that question. But that’s not what “begs the question” means.

    NOTE TO ZAC: At long last, sir, have you no clay? lol

    • aegerprimo

      So wonderful to see you here.

      • HelluvaHoax!

        Thanks! Always love reading the Bunker & all the Comments until my mom comes down into the basement, yells at me for excessive lurking and shuts off my internet.

        • jazzlover

          Hopefully she gives you a tasty sammich and a nice, clean guinea tee first.

    • Gus_Cox

      Probably the most-misused English phrase, that.

    • Baby

      You were quoted twice yesterday Hoax… You are funny and smart.. fabulous combination! Glad you popped up today.. baby

  • Out and about

    BALLS! HUMAN RIGHTS? The only good thing that I got from the cult was a choice, be their bitch, or get free! So in essence, the CHERCH did free me but good! How about the manic son of the Scientologist who stabbed his mother to death in upstate n y? She would not treat this child medically. I suppose the psychs are to blame for that!

  • Jimmy3

    Even by Scientology’s standards, “We’re getting the Valley done tonight or we’re all getting fumigated!” is quite extreme. Let those poor people out of there.

  • nottrue

    Dump Scientology for Wogtology and never look back….Everyone welcome even dogs

    • scottmercer

      Wogs for the win.

      • Baby

        f5

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    On the Community Learning Center’s website, Target, Pepsi, Chase, Kohl’s, Citgo & Best Buy are listed as “Sponsors”. They support pushing LRH’s Applied Scholastics crap on kids? http://www.communitylearningcentertutoring.com/
    (refresh)

  • Vaquera

    Raising up a third generation of scios in Russia, Taiwan and England. f5

    • Harpoona Frittata

      A 3rd generation of pigeons ripe for the punking? Tell me it isn’t so; this has GOT to stop!

  • Justmeteehee

    Musketeers, Kabukis… What no pirates?? Playing dress up for a pretend religion. I don’t know why it still baffles me.
    Eta spelling.

  • MadisonAgain

    MK posted this down below but I’m posting it again bc everything Ailes has done sounds like scientology in action. Is he a scientologist? Is that why Greta? I’m serious – read the article.
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/08/ailes-used-fox-budget-to-finance-campaigns-against-enemies.html

    • Susan black

      .yeah, what was Greta doing for ailes?

  • That so-called “Community Learning Center” seems mainly to have WISE seminars that they charge admission for. They even scammed $50K out of Pepsi “for the children”.

    Category:Community Learning Center

    • I found the EIN and turned the minions loose. From the claimed assets, it’s a much bigger operation than the Clearwater Community Volunteers.

      Edit: I thought I smelled some Alfraudie: dba World Literacy Crusade until 2010.

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      Here’s the check. (F5)

      • The board of directors of the CLC is slightly whale-heavy (added). They didn’t need that money.

  • pluvo

    Scientology’s ‘Baker act’; only people can be isolated longer than 72 hours and have to sign it before getting any ‘service’.

    https://scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/06/28/how-scientology-inc-legally-cripples-its-own-members/

    2. Agreement and General Assistance Regarding Spiritual Assistance. Summary: This is Scientology Inc.’s infamous Kidnap Contract that allows the Cult to kidnap any of its members and lock them up for an indefinite duration of time — and this without the kidnapped member having the benefit of any legal representation, legal hearing, medical evaluation, or medical intervention. All a Scientology Inc. “case supervisor” has to say is that a member has gone Type III. After this pronouncement, the member is bodily seized, locked up, and held against their will. This happened to Lisa McPherson. Lisa became the victim of negligent homicide while being held captive in Scientology Inc.’s dangerous and quasi-felonious exercise in complete quackery known as the Introspection Rundown. Scientology Inc. might as well have locked her up in a James Arthur Ray sweat lodge and nailed the door shut. In the contract excerpt below, the Scientologist agrees to not sue the Church for any injuries or damage — and this release contemplates death — that might or could occur when one is being held as a religious prisoner in the Introspection Rundown.

    https://scientologymoneyproject.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/legal-crippling-2.png?w=620

    • scottmercer

      Is there any other religion that makes you sign a contract like this? HELL NO. Businesses on the other hand, may certainly do so.

      • pluvo

        Businesses on the other hand, may certainly do so.

        To put you in isolation and lock you up at their whims ????

      • Len Zinberg

        There are 4 contracts, Scott.
        Here they are:
        scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/06/28/how-scientology-inc-legally-cripples-its-own-members

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Wow…just WOW! Instead of demonstrating some real contrition and humility after killing a young healthy woman with their whacked Introspection Rundown, they’ve doubled down on diabolical malevolence and now want to indemnify themselves against the civil and criminal consequences of their actions in advance.

      That’s some real cynical hubris right there!

      Unless you already knew the back story that would explain why $cn felt it necessary to demand that you pre-authorize your unlimited involuntary imprisonment, under conditions that are solely theirs to determine, you’d have no idea what the hell was behind it. But, of course, if you DID know the reasons for it being on that form, then no one in their right mind would sign it.

      I’d absolutely love to pose as a rich gullible whale who was all ready to buy a big piece of blue sky, but just got hung up on this one curious clause and innocently requested some r-factor 😉 I can only imagine the tortured mental contortions that a reg, just inches away from the ‘money shot’, would be put through in trying to satisfy my concerns, while never letting on exactly why it’s there or who that’s happened to or…

      I mean, you just can’t say, “Well, Mr. H., some years back at our tech mecca in Florida, some poor young woman whose auditing was being supervised by the church’s leader went psychotic, so we decided to imprison her against her will for over two weeks as her physical condition deteriorated and she became more and more helpless and psychotic. Unfortunately, she died during her Introspection Rundown, and the civil and criminal legal repercussion were so severe that before we do the same to someone else like you, we want to make sure that you have absolutely no legal recourse…any questions?”

      Can’t exactly say THAT. So, what DO they say when someone gets a little balky about authorizing their own indefinite imprisonment, under unspecified conditions? I’d certainly like to know, wouldn’t you?

      I could see that encounter going a couple different ways. If that worm of a greedy reg really had no idea why that clause had been included in the agreement, it could easily end up being a prime teachable moment for him as I recounted the story in all its gruesome details, then sent him off to verify my account (“no verbal tech here, bro, unh uh, not me”). It’s an utterly gruesome and secondarily traumatizing tale that I would never think of subjecting someone else to against their will or through deception…that is, unless they were trying to get others to sign their lives away for exactly the same kind of psychiatric malpractice, torture and false imprisonment that Lisa suffered.

      On the other hand, if my little cheese-eating rata of a reg DID know what was behind it, I’d do my best to get them to tell me all about it, which of course, they’d never do. But the exquisite tension between greed (me, with pen in hand, poised to sign and hand over a fat check) and the opposing fears of either queering the deal by not satisfying my curiosity or telling me too much and catching hell for it would be a thing to behold for sure!

      Sounds like the kind of thing that deserves to be recorded and broadcast on YT too!

  • Observer

    First: Gah! Chinworms!

    Second: omg, Gary “Pornstache” Smith has aged 20 years in the last two.

    Third: I agree that Battlefield Earth is an incredible science fiction journey, if by “incredible” they mean “not credible.”

  • Dave Reams

    I did not realize bassist Stanley Clarke still had anything to do with the L Ronaughts.

    • Bummer. Probably wants to keep in good with Chick.

  • scottmercer

    Scientology aka front groups badmouthing psychiatry and Big Pharma is like a guy selling stolen watches out of the trunk of his broken down Hyundai badmouthing Wal-Mart and K-Mart for being ripoff artists.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Battlefield Earth, Cardone and LRH? “HOLIDAY” must have a different meaning in Norway…
    (refresh)

    • Kestrel

      I’d rather tar roofs in the hot sun on my holiday.

    • jazzlover

      34 CDs! That’s worse than the upcoming Pink Floyd boxed set. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Well, at least Waters and co. is only charging 700 bucks for it 😉

    • Kim O’Brien

      rich, bored, white people .

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Oh my 🙁
    (refresh)

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Why Gary’s family and friends pitched in to pay for his SRD instead of paying for the medical treatment that could save his life is a breath-taking example of how cult-think can literally kill you.

      My bet is that at the bottom of his family and friends inexplicable decision to pay for something that you have to be alive and in remission in order to participate in, instead of the actual treatment that would satisfy those prerequisites, is a little rat-faced $cn reg or two working their craptastic unmagic behind the scenes.

      In most cases involving anything else but $cn, it would be far too cynical to believe that if Gary died with money left on account his family would be unable to obtain a repayment, but with $cn you’d be a naive fool to believe they’ll ever get it back without going through a lot of hassle and getting a lawyer involved…pitiful, just pi-ti-ful.

      • Kestrel

        I’m sure the benevolent scientology leadership will learn of Gary’s plight and allocate his SRD monies to support his medical treatment needs. Heck, they could even match it! Of course, I’m also sure Christie Brinkley will be stopping by my place later this week.

        You may scoff, but these are not impossible dreams.

    • Juicer77

      So sad.

    • Lucille Austero

      Part of Gary’s individual freedom is the right to believe that a magical idea put forward by a scam designed to part Gary from his money is, f**k it, exactly what he is going to pursue. Sad.

    • Robert Ramsay

      Something similar happened up here in the Toronto area many years ago. Friends referred to it as the Death Rundown after is achieved the not advertised EP. Needless to say the guys parents spent 10’s of thousands on it.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    A con-sent non-consent form?
    This should raise a loud alarm
    These fools do so much harm
    Think they’re hot? Not even warm

    Afraid to take much needed meds –
    They are out of their tiny heads
    Caught in Hubbard’s deadly binds
    They ceded control of their minds

    For Fly – for your Brown Eyed Girl –
    tell her “Happy Birthday” and enjoy the Cirque du Soleil
    while we watch the Cirque de la $cientologie –
    it is currently in a cage with some tigers.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uaz1AB006-g

    For the winner of the first Gold Medal of the Rio Olympics:
    Rust Never Sleeps – Thrasher
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t00MXZKbW0M

    • Baby

      Oh Pan that was so sweet of you! Have fun Fly and Baby Fly.. xoxox Happy Birthday Honey… xo f5

      • Rasha

        Very Birthday, Fly Baby!!!

  • ExCult.Jan

    creepy creepy creepy

    • Hamtaro

      A quick primer for readers who don’t spend all their idle hours studying the dwindling spiral of Scientology: Vaughn Kavon is the father of Andrea Kavon Jentzsch, who was the wife of Alexander Jentzsch, son of our beloved Karen de la C.

      • Observer

        The guy who called OSA instead of 911, then.

        • Robert Eckert

          That’s a bingo

        • Baby

          after the kids were dropped off to school of course.

          • Observer

            It’s ALWAYS worse than you think.

      • ExCult.Jan

        Thanks so much, Hamtaro. I was intentionally vague only because I had not found a source to confirm what I thought was Vaughn Kavon’s exact relationship to Alex. I just edited my Amazon BE review comment to be more precise.

    • ExCult.Jan

      *waves* to the 4 guests! Thanks for visiting and upvoting. I hope you’ll come by again for a beverage and join in the chat. I’m newly visible here myself after lurking for quite some time. As in, I escaped in 1994. Please don’t wait THAT long! It really is a caring group here with lots of experience, wisdom, and kindness to share, no matter where you are on your journey.
      Edit: now 6 guests! *more waves*

  • chukicita

    OT: Interesting article in NYTimes about Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia.
    Please note that Wahhabism is an extreme branch of Sunni Islam, and does not represent all Muslims.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/11/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-islam-wahhabism-religious-police.html?WT.mc_id=2016-KWP-AUD_DEV&WT.mc_ev=click&ad-keywords=AUDDEVREMARK&kwp_0=181040&kwp_4=728131&kwp_1=367242&_r=0

    This part that talked about some fatwas was kinda familiar:

    “There is one fatwa, still available in English on a government website
    and signed by the previous grand mufti, that states, “Whoever refuses
    to follow the straight path deserves to be killed or enslaved in order
    to establish justice, maintain security and peace and safeguard lives,
    honor and property.”

    Sounds a lot like what Hubbard suggested to do with people below 2.0 on the Tone Scale.

    It goes on: “Slavery in Islam is like a purifying machine or sauna in
    which those who are captured enter to wash off their dirt and then they
    come out clean, pure and safe, from another door.”

    Yow.

  • John Prince

    Tell me the truth Bunkerites, who looks more sinister..the two recent “graduates” from narconon or the “executive director”

    • It makes me think of Weekend at Bernie’s.

  • Phoebequeen

    Dang, gone for a few days, and the crazy continues! Just taking a break from all the nutso politics to come here and catch up on the reading and dang if the crazy isn’t still happening . What a hoot reading Tony’s observation of the Harlem opening. You can not make this stuff up. Oh, wait, yes you can. Ask L. Ron.

  • beauty for ashes

    The musketeer looks like Phil Spector with a gold embroidered pickleman on his chest.
    good job! **snerk**

    • Rasha

      LOL!! “Pickleman”

    • Rasha

      …just sayin’

      • beauty for ashes

        Yaaaas!

        • Rasha

          BAHAHAHAHA!!!!

      • jazzlover

        Tell me. Why would anyone let this guy produce their record? AFAIC, he shoulda been thrown in the clink in 1970 for foinking up Let it Be.

        • Rasha

          Seriously. The “Wall of Sound” was overhyped, in my opinion. A good technique with its own place, but not that good. Many pieces could have been enhanced by proper mic’ing (Rasha can’t spell that right). Steely Dan, for example, paid attention to that, and it really makes a difference. Balance is more important than layering. More pure sound. Again, I am no expert, and just know what I like, but Spector was overrated.

          Just Rasha’s $0.02.

          Nice hairlights, though. Props fer that.

          • jazzlover

            I agree. He foinked up All Things Must Pass, too. Part of that arrangement was that he’d produce the first 2 Derek and the Dominos singles. Clapton and Whitlock had them pulled off the market within a coupla weeks. Nuff said. Thank God Tom Dowd produced Layla. It’s one of my desert island discs.

            Can’t take credit for the hairlights. They came ready made 🙂

  • Todd Tomorrow

    These clams sure know how to have fun. Think how much more fun they could have on just a few drugs.
    Edit; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n3OepDn5GU

  • Observer

    I just had to see what he’d look like.

    refresh

    • Robert Eckert

      Harlem made him so hep

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Amazed he didn’t wear black face he’s so out of touch. Love those lowlights though.

    • beauty for ashes

      He looks like some Amish douchebag!

      • Robert Eckert

        The Trump campaign in Pennsylvania has started a group Amish for Trump. It has no Amish members. Aside from the question of whether Amish would be attracted to Trump, they generally avoid voting or any other political involvement.

        • beauty for ashes

          I doubt they’ll be selling shoo fly pies for Trump anytime soon.

    • Rasha

      Looked too happy. Rasha don’t think so…

      • Susan black

        Very nice 🙂

        • Rasha

          It looks more natural, I think…..

    • jazzlover

      Was he jealous of Chill E.B.’s cans?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        penis size.

  • Todd Tomorrow
    • Robert Eckert

      The absence of space after your “OT” broke the link, fixed:
      http://www.dreamindemon.com/2016/08/03/mother-accused-driving-high-breastfeeding/
      Somewhat closer to the topic, Jimmy3 and Kim’s church sues for recognition as a religion:
      http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/07/jesus-wants-me-to-smoke-this-joint.html

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Thx, I fixed it.

      • jazzlover

        LOL. The self-justification is predictable.

    • jazzlover

      This kinda stuff surprises you at this point?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Yes, and how much happens in Fl. never ceases to amaze me. Anyway..
        http://www.dreamindemon.com/2016/07/21/girl-13-shot-elderly-beauty-shop-owners-shoplifting/

        • jazzlover

          I doubt it’s only Florida.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Browse the sight and you’ll see.

            • jazzlover

              Yeah, I saw that. America’s gotten interesting, that’s for sure 🙂

          • beauty for ashes

            No it is, I remember someone yelled at me the last time I posted the headlines from Florida that day here. I had to delete them. Okay I’m gonna shut up now, because talking about Florida makes me feel existentially depressed. It’s like the long neglected bathroom of America.

            • jazzlover

              Trailer park Americana stretches coast to coast 🙂

        • beauty for ashes

          It’s the utter lunacy of the crimes. And Floridians penchant for innovation and elevating the art of “WTF”

          • Kim O’Brien

            A friend of mine bought a t-shirt that says ” Florida Man” on it . Great at parties . He goes as the perfunctory headline that always seems to come out of that state ” Florida man shoots off foot while making love to chicken ” …or ” Florida man uses bath salts and eats off neighbors face “

            • beauty for ashes

              LOL. I’m going to start a go fund me so I can move out of this state. I miss the sanity of West Philly.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I’ll help you.

            • JaxNGold

              Oh damn — I remember that. I couldn’t believe that guy literally chewed another man’s face off after taking bath salts. So disturbing.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    For a “religion” with very few members, the CO$ sure seems to have more than their fair share of members crowd sourcing for funds. https://www.gofundme.com/2d2gbfas
    Bad luck or bad tech? Hmm…
    (refresh)

    • Observer

      WHAT ARE HER CRIMES?! She pulled it in!

      They are completely out-tech when they do this stuff.

      • OOkpik

        “A 13-year-old girl has turned herself into police…”

        Hmmm! Impersonating officers?

        Seriously, this is so tragic, even for the girl with the overblown sense of entitlement. 🙁

        • Observer

          It is, and the mockery was directed at the cult, not her.

          • OOkpik

            That was understood. They deserve all they get.
            eta: I was mocking the misuse of “into” in the article. Sometimes I laugh to avoid crying.

    • Kestrel

      Maybe her church could hold a bake sale or other fundraiser for her.

      • Rasha

        Sure! That’s what church communities do, right?

        • Kestrel

          Well, that, and find someone who can drive her around and help her out.

      • beauty for ashes

        OT cookies!

    • Rasha

      What is the nature of the “tragedy”? I’m currently word clearing that.

      • jazzlover

        I’m counting the number of times “assists” are mentioned. No doctors, no hospitals, no medicine. Poor Katherine.

        • Kim O’Brien

          chiropractor LOL …” aquatic therapy ” . Swim in the ocean ya scam artist .

        • Rasha

          So, I read that she was in a restaurant, and the table she was at “collapsed inward”, and apparently, “slammed” her. Sorry – “SLAMMED” her. Okay, since restaurant tables are not largely known to “collapse inward” and “slam” people, I assume there was some issue with the table, like a leaf failing (had that happen), or maybe the floor gave way – I don’t see any details…..

          In any case, despite personal injury (I’ve been injured lots of times, like most people), it seems to qualify as an “accident”, and not a “tragedy”. It is unfortunate that someone got injured, and no one wants that. But see a doctor, get your wounds disinfected, and work with the insurance people to see that everything is addressed.

          Anyway, how does giving cash help with the apparently urgent need for “assists”? Someone just freakin’ touch her, if that’s what her “religion” says is needed in lieu of medical attention. No money needs to exchange hands. “She is getting Therapy for the body, BUT….” BUT send cash.

          smh…

          • jazzlover

            Money changing hands is the scientology way. Maybe they’re charging for having their ministers touch assist their own now?

          • Harpoona Frittata

            Well, putting on my super scientology de-coder glasses and reading between the lines, it appears that Kathy needs the cash to pay her ER visit bill because she’s flat ass busted after giving all to become OaTy, and having the additional sad misfortune to fall in with one of those horrible OT Committees who always end up circle-regging each other (everyone else has long since learned to flee and hide at the sound of their footsteps) and competing like grade-schoolers for pats on the head and shiny trophies until the whole group is not just broke, but in debt up to their OaTy eyeballs

            Long story short, she’s flat broke and after the table attacked her, she’s in need of financial assistance…but, hey, touch assists are nice too. Otherwise, how else do you explain having spent all those hundreds of thousands of dollars to get those pesky body thetans to blow (and DON’T come back!), yet have no cash or credit to take care of what sounds like a relatively minor injury?

            Not to be callous or lacking in compasson for the injured and sick, but putting a little away (and hiding it GOOD!) for emergencies is never a bad idea…I mean, you just never know when you’re going to go PTS to your salad and have the table attack you, right? Bad things DO happen to Big Beings 😉

    • Susan black

      Just apply the finger poke…she’ll be fine.

      • Kestrel

        Words to live by…

    • beauty for ashes

      Wouldn’t it be funny if a bunch of sci critics showed up to help instead?

      • Kestrel

        I would if I were certain the money wouldn’t be diverted.

    • Juicer77

      All of these people fundraising for themselves are going to get in SO much deep doodoo with Mismanage. Anything that diverts his precious money supply elsewhere is strictly forbidden. Forget getting any more services, lady, you’re already Declared.

  • Snippy_X

    Finally “LEE BACA INDICTED FOR CONSPIRACY, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, LYING TO FBI”
    http://abc7.com/news/lee-baca-indicted-for-conspiracy-obstruction-of-justice-lying-to-fbi/1458753/

    • Kestrel

      “As a result of the FBI’s investigation, 20 current or former member of the sheriff’s department have been convicted on federal charges for helping to cover up corruption in the jails.”

      On his watch.

      • Snippy_X

        Tip of the iceberg with that guy …

    • Rasha

      Will he start disappearing from Co$ pictures now?

      • Baby

        Baca could just disappear.. who cares

    • Baby

      Patience is a Virgin.. woo hoo.. f5

  • Kim O’Brien

    us dirty wogs here at the bunker …somehow manage to help people and alway meet the goals of a GoFundMe Campaign . Not scientologists ….they just can never seem to get anyone to give a shit . Weird

    • Kestrel

      They might give a shit, but they’re using their money to move up in Status and start at the bottom of the bridge … again.

      • Kim O’Brien

        that is the same thing as not giving a shit . Follow through matters ; )

      • it is out ethics to give away money. go figure!

        • Kim O’Brien

          i wonder what would happen if a well known declared SP donated money to their fund ? Could they take it ?

          • yes, and then reinforce the disconnection. he he! The money is for the greater good!

            • Kim O’Brien

              i would think that the SP cooties on the money …would take away all their ” wins” and super powers . Ya might be free of cancer …but what good is it if ya can’t find a really good parking spot ?

            • Sometimes they are easier to understand if thinking of primates!

            • Kim O’Brien

              we are primates …they are just the ones who like to show their ass all the time 😉

            • That’s what i mean… I didn’t want to insult the Reptiles 🙂

            • Robert Eckert

              They have mad skills at poo-flinging too.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Yes, they’d take a gay psychiatrist’s money.

    • It’s because they have this “exchange-factor” so a scio do not donate to anyone, but the org. They want stupid Wogs to donate to them.

  • J. Swift

    CCHR is being typically hysterical with its non-consent form. But then again Scientology is hysterical in general so the non-consent form is not surprising.

    CCHR’s Psych hysteria reminds me of the 1990’s Christian Evangelical fear-mongering over the “Gay Agenda.” In that bit of lunacy Jerry Falwell told his followers that gay men were all pedophiles who wanted to kidnap their male children and rape them. The only answer and salvation was to send Jerry Falwell money, and lots of it, so that he could fight the Gay Agenda, a copy of which was never produced by Falwell. This was the same period where Pat Robertson was pandering to Evangelical hatred when he said that lesbians were witches who wanted to kill children.

    CCHR is engaging in the same sort of fear-mongering: The Psychs are planning to kidnap, electroshock, lobotomize, and drug your children into a zombie state of existence unless you sign this form and donate money to CCHR. The Cult’s CCHR front group is playing to homophobic anti-Psych Scientologists and equally homophobic Evangelical anti-vaxxers with the same old 1950’s Scientology Psych bogeyman. This is all pseudoscience in the service of whipping up fears of the NWO and the Illuminati. The hypocrisy here is that Scientology at its core is all about global psycho-political social engineering and genocide and yet it accuses Psychiatry of what Scientology is really all about.

    CCHR is also being covert and dishonest with its non-consent form. CCHR needs to step it up and just say what it really means: The real answer is to have people become Scientologists and sign the Cult’s Kidnap Contract: https://scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/06/21/church-of-scientology-kidnap-contract/

    This contract is what the Cult used to pull Lisa McPherson out an ER and thereby deprive her of the emergency psychiatric assistance she so desperately needed. And yet Scientology did far worse to Lisa than would have happened with a 72 hour Baker Act hold; Scientology locked up McPherson for seventeen days until it killed her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson

    http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/scienowriter/Kidnap.Contract_zpsqwspw0tf.png

    • jazzlover

      Who fights the gay and lesbian shrink agenda? 😉

    • THIS ^^^

    • From what I remember of the 1990’s Gay Agenda (the official Homintern one you got with the secret handshake, not Falwell’s fevered imaginings) it mostly involved unquestioning enthusiasm for disco, superannuated divas, elaborate cocktails, and a highly sibilant pronunciation of the letter ‘S’. Not all of us homosexualists were exactly galvanized with enthusiasm for it, even back then… 😉

      • jazzlover

        Can I mix you an appletini while you wait for upvotes? 😉

        • AAAAGHH!!!

          • jazzlover

            LOL. You know – Falwell and Robertson really missed their opportunity to create a money-making shore story a la L Ron. Adam and Eve were gay. God forced them to copulate in order to start the human race. To get back at God, Adam and Eve decided to practice black psychiatry whereby they electro-shocked all of their descendants as close to hell as possible. Their eldest son, Thor, rose up with the might of a thousand men, declared his supreme heterosexuality, and smote his parents dead under an apple tree.

            • Sounds legit—or about as legit as any other creation-myth 😉

            • jazzlover

              Yup. Anything’s legit whenever you find enough people willing to believe it. There’s really a sad state of affairs in bible-belt America. Brexiting all those years ago to escape religious repression was a good idea at the time, but I think our stubborn religious freedom ideology is coming back to bite us in the ass big time. Not that I don’t believe in freedom, but it has opened the door to too many crooks and criminals having their way.

            • It’s an old game. Monsters and clarified butter, anyone?
              http://matadornetwork.com/bnt/6-wacky-creation-myths-around-the-world/

            • jazzlover

              Hey, scientology made the top six!!!

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Change “Thor” to “Ron” and flesh out your narrative and we’ll buy it for $100,000. Once we get the rights it goes in for Shermanization:

              “In the beginning was the Tech and the Tech was with Ron and the Tech was Ron. The same was in the beginning with Ron. Whereupon, the Psychs hated Ron and thus mocked up a criminal universe, an overt product. And it came to pass that Ron waited trillions of years to show up in the Earth year 1911 AD. And then Ron didn’t get right. Hence, COB, the brightest thetan whose throne was above the throne of Ron, came down and put in Ethics on the universe and caused GAT II to manifest — and at such bargain prices no less!”

            • jazzlover

              Very funny. We could be bazillionaires 🙂

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Why thank you. COB would love an appletini while he listens to Cher.

          • jazzlover

            Or Judy Garland……..while watching “I Love Lucy”, of course.

      • J. Swift

        That’s all the Gay Agenda was about? Looks like Jerry and Pat should have done the Scientology Data Evaluator’s course in order to get the correct data at the correct orders of magnitude because they saw it all as dangerous: https://www.au.org/church-state/october-1999-church-state/featured/the-religious-rights-gay-agenda

        The Rev. Jerry Falwell is not one to mince words when it comes to gay people. Writing to supporters recently, Falwell thundered, “[T]hese perverted homosexuals…absolutely hate everything that you and I and most decent, God-fearing citizens stand for…Make no mistake. These deviants seek no less than total control and influence in society, politics, our
        schools and in our exercise of free speech and religious freedom….If we do not act now, homosexuals will own America!”

        Across the country in Colorado Springs, James C. Dobson, founder and president of Focus on the Family, also fulminates about gay people and their influence on America. While some might suggest building bridges to the gay community, Dobson told supporters in a June 1998 letter that that is not possible. It can’t happen, he warned, because the Bible specifically prohibits homosexual acts. The aggressive posture frequently assumed by gay groups makes the job all the more difficult, he wrote.

        “We believe their ideas are dangerous to society at large and to the family in particular,” Dobson wrote. “Nevertheless, their advocates seem to be everywhere at once. The gay lifestyle is aggressively promoted throughout our culture, especially in television sitcoms, Hollywood movies and on university campuses. Yet there is scarcely a politician or national leader anywhere who has the courage to oppose it. I suspect that many pastors and priests also avoid the subject because of the intimidation factor that has become so pervasive in recent years. It is one subject most influential people are afraid to address, unless, of course, they are echoing pro-homosexual rhetoric.”

        • Missionary Kid

          When Dobson’s Focus on the Family was behind an anti-gay legislation in Colorado, there were signs saying, “Focus on your own damn family.”

        • Falwell must have a secret uterus; how else to explain such rampantly Victorian hysterics? Lucky he never got hold of the 1980’s Homintern agenda (the one with all the steam-baths, plaid shirts and moustaches).

    • Baby

      Don’t forget Anita Bryant J..
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX6i5Y6t1nI

      • J. Swift

        Anita Bryant would have made a great Scientologist.

        • Baby

          OMG YES.. She would really put your Ethics in ya..

          • that’s why i worship the devil (or pretend) to keep those “nice” people away

      • You got the vile harridan being pied in the face—good!

        • Baby

          I know I loved it.. Back then I was really active in Gay Rights.. She was such a shit stirrer.. and her husband UGH.. Bob Green..Horrible evil bigot.

          They ended up getting a divorce and he states it was because of ” Gays..” bawwwhahahha Then it was discovered they both had affairs.

          I bet the rabid Christians loved that!

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Just rang up Comcast and they don’t offer the $cientology channel.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy5VXZoo9EU
    Edit: Dish doesn’t offer it either “Why would you want that sir?” HaHa!

    • beauty for ashes

      No Todd, you are supposed to tune in with your MIND, after you do sooper powerz! Wogs can’t just get that shit!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        What color is my tie?

        • beauty for ashes

          Blue, almost aqua?

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Oh lord Xenu you are clearly, clear.

        • Rasha

          Eye-Popping Blu®???

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Not my eyes my tye!

    • Rasha

      Love AGP’s work! ^_^

      Although I adore the Enya song, “Even in The Shadows”, I’d rather hear something else when $cilons show up…..

      Actually, unrelated, I’m gonna go curl up and listen to it some…… *headphones on*…

      • jazzlover

        I recommend some Yes trying to put the Bible to music – Tales From Topographic Oceans. LOL

    • jazzlover

      I would seriously love to be a fly on the wall for the conversation between Davey and all the cable/direct tv heads when he figures out he’ll need to bribe his way onto broadcast packages 🙂

      • Todd Tomorrow

        If Jim Baker can get his stupid ass back on TV anybody can.

        • jazzlover

          I know nothing about the process, but I’d imagine some interest would have to be drummed up, and then a fee is negotiated, etc. Unless COB is going to promise a large viewership, and then force all his ardent followers to subscribe, $50 a week salary be damned. But even then, would it be enough money for the big boys like Verizon, Comcast, Cablevision, Time Warner to give a shit? In other words, there aren’t enough scientologists in the universe to make this happen money-wise.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            And have you tried to sit through Jim Baker? The Lulz are worth it. Jim, a trump supporter tries to sell you domesday food kits next to his attractive wife who he actually argues with. Try how they might they can’t hide the literally 10’s of people in the audience. And he’s also selling residences in his new sub division.

            • jazzlover

              Yeah, as we say in New York, he’s a shyster 🙂 But here’s the thing – those faith seeders can get on TV because have tens of thousands more followers than sci-fi does. That in itself is pretty sad.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              But if you get a chance watch Jim give his pitch. Some wrath is going to make you need to buy years worth of dehydrated food. But why not buy a condo on his new sub-division of faith while you wait. Then he argues with his much younger wife.
              Exanple. Mrs. Baker; Jim doesn’t like to fly.
              Jim Baker: (snaps back) What do you mean! I love to fly! (snarl). break to the ten audience members.

    • What about Netflix?

    • Baby

      Nation of Islam Nuns.. hahahhaha

    • Juicer77

      LOLOL Really?!? Did they say that? XD

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Boy, what a catch!
    “When my husband decided to quit his wog job and become a full time Briefing Course student…”
    (refresh)

    • jazzlover

      the tl:dr version:

      “my fucking lazy husband quit his job to jack off with scientology self-importance, so I had to go back to work for some dirty wog”

      • Baby

        I think you read it wrong jazz.. both in Scn. None working for Wogs..

        Don’t ya see.. ” It’s exciting on all flows..” And that child in the avi..? Just a Theta ignored until Sea Org.. f5

        • jazzlover

          Oh, I took her saying “it’s time for me to go back to work” as employment. LOL. You’re right — she sees are life’s work as eternal slavery to the pompadour 🙂

          • Baby

            OMG YES jazz.. She is Clearing the planet for US.. and we are so unappreciative..

            Wait.. I just remembered.. THEY ARE COMING AT US.. We won’t be in that ” Clear” part..
            HMmmmmm.. Oh Well f5

            • jazzlover

              Such an upstanding religious organization focusing on eliminating us wogs. For shame……

  • JJ

    You know, if you think about it, “incredible” can mean any kind of thing, esp in a sci fi setting. In many ways Battlefield Earth was incredible…Truly, incredible…

  • J. Swift

    Jim Meskimen’s PR line may be a trial balloon for all of Scientology:

    “It seems if we’re able to look beyond the baggage of the novel, there is an incredible science fiction journey that is relatively well received among general audiences.”

    Could become:

    It seems if we’re able to look beyond the baggage and horror of the Church of Scientology, there is an incredible journey that is relatively well received among the gullible and uniformed.

    Meskimen is an idiot. If you actually have to ask people to look beyond the fact that BE the novel was dreadful and the movie was one of the worst ever made, then you’re admitting that while BE is awful, it is not as awful as claimed if one ignores its baggage of awfulness. This is a tautology and one that Meskimen unconvincingly attempts to foist off upon the addleheaded who would swallow such tripe.

    Battlefield Earth’s awfulness transcends all formats in which it is reproduced: Book, movie, audiobook, etc. When does Galaxy try to sell Battlefield Earth in telex form? Is that slated for 2017? And how many miles of telex paper would one need to pre-order to have BE telexed to their home, ship, or religious compound?

    • Observer

      It’ll probably take till 2030 to type it into the telex. I used one back in the day, and it is not a quick, easy proposition.

    • jazzlover

      “Your honor – if you ignore the fact that he robbed 3 banks and killed 4 people in the process, he’s really not a bad guy”.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Exactly. Battlefield Earth is only awful to bigots.

        • jazzlover

          And to people who, ya know, enjoy good writing 🙂

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Speaking of Battlefield Earth, one of the film’s producers, Jonathan D. Krane has died.
      http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jonathan-krane-dead-look-whos-917877
      (refresh)

      • Todd Tomorrow

        He donated more than 112 years of DNA shakes to Travolta’s personal charity, his mouth.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    It seems that NOI doesn’t allow criticism of the CO$ any more than the CO$ does. This was posted on a Facebook page that says “This group is designed to further the discussion on Dianetics. We welcome newcomers, experienced practitioners, and respectful opposing views… ” I went back to see any additional comments today and the whole post & comments have now been deleted…
    (refresh)

    • looks like they are learning the lingo

    • Rasha

      Well, you can in a civilize way write a letter and point it out. You are free to post what you wheel.

      • You have to have tonability and some issness

    • cdub

      NOI is screwed if they embrace COS.

  • Rasha

    O/T and after 8: Rasha has been kind of down, and this really keeps me laughing….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xCDlzAsFAM

    • jazzlover

      Speaking of George Carlin, I’ve been trying for like forever to find the original “Seven Dirty Words You Can’t Say on TV” skit from years ago. Apparently, his estate protects that one as if it’s the golden egg 🙂 Because, ya know, it’s ok to prick your finger, but you can’t finger your prick 😉

      • Rasha

        Starting at 4:18 (though it’s all brilliant)….. “bad, dirty, filty, foul, vile vulgar, coarse……”

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMkNsMMvrqk

        • jazzlover

          Is that the original? There was one where he told little stories behind all the words’ double-meanings (like the example I gave above). Another one was: “You can say ‘Roberto Clemente has 2 balls on him’, but you can’t say ‘ooooooo, I think he hurt his balls on that play'” 🙂

          • Rasha

            I think it’s from his original HBO special. I hope to find the entire show…

            • jazzlover

              I had a friend when I was growing up who was obsessed with all of this stuff. That Carlin skit came out around the same time as Brooks and Reiner’s 2000 Year Old Man, which was also genius. Finding anything archival can be difficult when faced with relatives who want to capitalize. Trust me, I know this from how stingy and full of wrath the Miles Davis estate can be 🙂

    • Observer

      This will make you feel better.

      Refresh

      • Rasha

        I am in tears laughing!!! Thank you Obs!

        • jazzlover

          All this talk of Carlin, led me away from my original purpose – which was to try and cheer you up with music. I heard this tune on a new Showtime show called “Roadies” last week. It’s haunting and powerful, but it brought a smile to my face. Here’s hoping it does the same for you:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SipZ2G31uls

          • Rasha

            …thank you, Jazz.

            • jazzlover

              You’re welcome, and for more lulz than I could ever give you, there’s a new episode of John Oliver on tonight at 11 edt. If you don’t have access, it will be up on youtube within a day or two 🙂

            • Rasha

              😛 Will check it out. Just moving on to Gordon for now… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIDz5AfW9IQ

            • jazzlover

              That’s a good one too. I loves me some good acoustic guitar pickin’. Here’s a little known duo I like to listen to occasionally – sort of a cross between world music and flamenco:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4foKFvM7sQ

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Amazon can have it here tomorrow by 3p. Ah, city life. It’ll look more mensacing than my bottle of Aqua net and a lighter that has kept me safe all these years.

        • No one in Florida should be allowed to purchase this thing.

          • Eivol Ekdal

            Your comments have a fresh minty scent tonight.

          • “Hold my beer and watch this!”

    • Qbird

      Rasha down?? No no no no ~ https://youtu.be/q1XlhSjbgWI

      • Rasha

        *great big smile*

    • flyonthewall

      Don’t be down. I haven’t commented much today bc I been busy. I’ll be back tomorrow. Keep your head up

      • Rasha

        *sits up all night waiting…… must stay up…….*

    • noseinabk

      Maybe Rasha just needs some new shoes?
      https://youtu.be/np8V9xdRsP4

      • Rasha

        <3 !!!!!

      • Rasha

        I’m totally getting squeaky shoes…… ^_^

      • Kay

        Love this !!!!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      That was so funny! Sorry you’re feeling down, Rasha. You bring joy to so many and it seems unfair that you should be unhappy. Please accept this hug and this kiss on your nose x

      • Rasha

        #^_^#

  • nottrue
  • funnybroad

    PLEASE TELL ME THIS DIDN’T COME FROM SCIENTOLOGY, BECAUSE OFFICER NORMAN IS MY #1 HERO: https://www.instagram.com/p/BIzmcmmg_Ub/?taken-by=tnorman23&hl=en

  • I’m running new tags against older articles to see what hits…

    Jenna Miscavige Hill on her Uncle, Scientology’s Leader: A Bully Too Afraid to Show His Face February 5, 2013, Tony Ortega, Underground Bunker

    If Miscavige was unable to get his brother to dump his wife, Ronnie and Bitty were persuaded to move to Cabo San Lucas, making it less likely that they would get subpoenaed for the litigation going on in Florida over the death of church member Lisa McPherson. Also, there was a church spy in Cabo to keep an eye on them.

    Hmmm, who could that spy in Cabo San Lucas be?

    http://www.happyendingcantina.com/images/2010_mar_8_-_chris__at_happy_ending_cantina_071_7526.jpg

    • Hmm. There might be a timeline problem. That was pre-2000-ish, and Gene Ingram didn’t open the Happy Ending Cantina in Cabo San Lucas until 2008.

      • noseinabk

        True but he was doing business and buying property there long before he opened the bar.

        • Yes, but when connecting dots like that, I prefer to use pencil first. 🙂

          • noseinabk

            I tell myself that every time I do a crossword in pen.😑

  • funnybroad

    OMG! They’re targeting the stellar work of Officer Tommy Norman in North Little Rock Arkansas!!! https://www.instagram.com/p/BIzuPBUAJxp/?taken-by=tnorman23&hl=en

    I don’t think he’s aware that they’re Scientology. How can we warn him?

  • Baby

    WAY WAY OT

    I know this will not be a popular opinion.. but it is my opinion. I am against the Olympics. Of course they always have the feel good stories to warm your heart..

    What we don’t see behind the scenes are children who have wasted their entire lives to satisfy THEIR parents demands. To be the BEST. To win at all costs. I have seen these parents up close and personal. I have seen the children with their Day Planner filled to the brim ..

    When I was a nanny briefly I had 2 Type A parents driving their 3 children to exhaustion .. Actually I was driving their children to Tennis lessons, Softball and Volleyball ..I heard the kids bitch the entire time.

    The parents told me to sign their kids up for sports but only sports ( Swear to God) that would eventually get paid for.. Yep.. I saw the kids ( 5, 8 and 14) cry when injured, but parents insisted that they work through the pain. The 14 and 16 yr. old both anorexic .. ( You know had to be thin to run fast..)

    I quit.. I couldn’t take it..I couldn’t watch these kids exhausted, on strict diets.. and feeling like failures when they lost.. All 3 were poor sports. They knew what was waiting for them at home when their parents found out how they did that day. sigh.. ( All 3 of those girls have eating disorders today)

    Yes.. this may be an extreme example, but my daughter was in gymnastics 30 years ago.. and they were going to a match in Paris. OK.. great opportunity until I was told my daughter would have to lose 20 # to qualify .. Oh and to figure out how she could strap down her boobs. She was 14 about 128# and muscular.

    They were preparing the girls for the Olympics.

    I absolutely refused. First I did NOT have the $ to send her to Paris. Wait..that wasn’t First on the list. I refused to have my daughter lose even one pound. My daughter cried her eyes out.. and I yanked her out of her $100 a month gymnastics class.

    I gently explained to her that I loved her the way she was and she joined a free soccer team and enjoyed it more.

    Well anyway.. It used to be different. Now it’s not about countries it’s about individuals. Endorsements and fame..

    I’m not even talking about the Brothel mess. I could give a rat’s ass.. BUT if that was my husband in a Brothel you bet that I would tell him to get his Ass home.

    http://www.sbnation.com/2016/8/5/12377046/2016-rio-olympics-zika-water-everything-is-going-wrong

    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-gymnastics-olympic-organisation-ignored-decades-sex-abuse-accusations-against-coaches-1574415

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/19/2016-olympics-rio-de-janeiro-brazil-destruction

    http://www.vice.com/read/figure-skating-ruins-lives

    • TheMirrorThetan

      It is not only the olympics.
      I’m against parents trying to live through their kids full stop.
      They had their chances, they should not be trying to make their kids actors, do beauty pageants, sports stars and singers just for the goddamn parents to feel important, relive their failed careers and make money.
      How many child actors, singers and sports stars break down, end up drug addicts or dead because of pushy arsehole parents. You can see the kids hate the sport/singing/acting, but it doesn’t matter to the parents, their kid is going to be a stah/ famous at any cost.

      • noseinabk

        I had such a hard time listening to the screaming parents at games that I always sat on the end if I could. Once at a game when my daughter missed the ball the guy in front of me said ” why does she even bother to play?” I said because she is a 10 year old who wants to play with her friends. Takes a helluva man to make mean comments about ten year old girls.

        • Rasha

          Hear, hear!

        • TheMirrorThetan

          The big brave arsehole.
          Heaven forbid that she is allowed to act like a kid and wants to have some fun with her friends.

        • Baby

          I would smacked him.. Well I wouldn’t have.. You did great..
          I hate assholes.. and was a big one..

          ASSHOLE f5

      • Baby

        OMG yes.. Holly.. Absolutely sickening.. I have stated before.. where I grew up Football is everything.. EVERYTHING.. ( OHIO)

        and every kid is going to be playing at Ohio State. Sickening. Parents are praised all to hell and back… I am so glad I left..

    • noseinabk

      I was just discussing the sports injury thing tonight. We had a 12 year old in rec soccer with a knee brace who went down in every other game. I asked her friend, a pt, if maybe she shouldn’t give it a rest for a season. She said it was fine. And the mom piped in that she couldnt do that because her daughter loved it. The Mom and the pt never spoke to me again and even tried to exclude us from an event. *yawn*
      Because of the petty mom’s in a kids chear leading group, my oldest was so turned off she didn’t play sports again until high school. I would say that about 1/3 of the parents in each of those groups acted as if the kids life depended on trophy s and wins.

      • Baby

        and scholarships nose..

        I learned a very valuable life lesson probably in 2nd grade. My dad was coaching a baseball team and my twin and I booed the other team when they walked on the field..

        My dad flew off the bench where he sat with his players and we were both firmly escorted off the bleachers and we had to sit in the car the entire game.

        My dad got into the car turned it around and faced the other way.. behind a building. Fun times.. and lectured all the way home.

        I have seen more than one parent thrown out of a game that’s for sure. It is absolutely ridiculous. Can you imagine the stress on these kids to preform ?

        • noseinabk

          I don’t need to imagine it, I lived it. My mom thought having an older girl coach me and entering little pageants would help me gain confidence and deal with my shyness. Well, I won against a friend and her mother, my pediatricians receptionist btw, told her daughter not to speak to me again and wouldn’t look at me when I went to the Dr.
          I was just a kid and I felt guilty for every compitition that I won becuase some Moms were so mean to us backstage. I was taught that you congradulate winners and be happy for them but that is lala land thinking most of the time. Fortunately my mom realized the stress involved and let it go.

          • Baby

            Amazing nose.. Of course you felt guilty.. Yes lala thinking at its finest.

            and it goes on and on.. I’m against Sororities and Fraternities..I’ve been in dorm room when pledges have gone to their mailboxes and been rejected.

            When I was in college my dorm had the first GDI ( God Damn Independent) Homecoming Queen..While I’m not in favor of Homecoming Queen thing either.. The dorm went nuts because before her only Sorority Girls won.. Woo hoo..

            I sound like a bitch tonight.. Too many broken hearts strewn along the highway of broken dreams. sigh

            and the Olympics just triggered a lot of memories along the years.. NOT my memories, but thinking of those that Failed to bring home a medal..or didn’t get to go after years of work..

            • noseinabk

              Ditto. I never enjoyed any group, club or clique that looked down on non-members (hi osa!) .

            • Baby

              OSA..OSA..OSA … Sup? Wouldn’t you rather be in bed.. yawwwwwwn f5

      • Baby

        forgot to add.. Yuck with the cheer leading moms.. Pfffffffffft.

    • daisy

      There is a very interesting and sickening documentary entitled Trophy Kids on Netflix you should see.

      • Baby

        Oh really ..thanks honey.. I have Netflix.. I will watch! Thanks Daisy may… ( Girl I did what you did to your mama’s dog tonight to another one of my dogs.. Good Gawd.. What a mess.. ugh..

      • Kay

        I’m going to watch that as well…thanks for mentioning it.

      • Baby

        OMG Dais.. Just watched it.. Just shoot me..when the kids cried so did I.. sigh..

        • daisy

          I know . I cannot believe that people do that to their kids. It really upset me as well. Those stupid beauty contests for babies and toddlers should be outlawed as well. Can anyone say pedophile bait.

          • Baby

            UGH.. absolutely.. xo

    • Kay

      I have always felt it was a LOT of pressure for a kid…you see it in figure skating and ballet as well. I remember when they finally put a minimum age limit on professional tennis (16 yrs old) I still think that’s too young. I would prefer it if all of the olympic contestants, and figure skating, and ballet and whatever else had a mandatory minimum age of 18 years old…..that would give them time to complete most of their growing and maybe have more input into that decision themselves. (acting and singing always bug me too….especially these kids that show up on AGT, The Voice or American Idol. Show business is a bad place for kids, especially kids with stage parents, and the vast majority of these kids get their expectations raised too high then never have a career, or ruin their voices trying to have one. Jackie Evancho is a prime example……lots of vocal problems there. Kids shouldn’t sing opera, they should be riding their danged bikes. OK I will sit down now and shut up.

      • Baby

        Kay.. We don’t want you to sit down and shut up.. f5 Excellent POST xo

        • Kay

          🙂 xoxo

    • Jimmy3

      It’s not really fair to assume it’s all about the parents. The athletes look pretty damn stoked when they win.

      • Kay

        True, but even if it does start with the kid, that is a lot of pressure they’re putting on themselves. I’m not really wild about that.

        • Missionary Kid

          I felt it was my job as a parent to provide the perspective to my kids in sports, as well as school, and to help them reduce the pressure on themselves.

          • Kay

            ITA

      • Jimmy3

        It’s almost like they’re realizing lifelong dreams.

        • Baby

          Whose dream?

          I personally think that very few kids want to practice skating at 4:30am -7:30 am before school.. and then from 3:30pm-11PM every night..

          Not buying it.

      • Baby

        Jimmy .. I was going to add that too..I just didn’t want to make my post too long.

        Mac’s brother swam on Mark Spitz team in college. Mark was an Arrogant asshole.. He was good and he knew it. ( Mac’s brothers words not mine)

        He didn’t care about the team..It was all about him all the time. That was just one example..

        When you are constantly put on a pedestal you turn into Grant Cardone.. Just sayin..

        • ReallyMGM

          Damn Baby you’ve ruined Mark Spitz for me now! When I was teenager I had a 6 foot poster of him in his Speedo on my wall! (Much to my mother’s disgust.) I thought he was perfect. Think I was about 13.
          I told my husband about my poster today and he died laughing. “where the hell did you even buy something like that!”

          • Missionary Kid

            Either your husband had his head in the sand, or he wasn’t interested in sports, but that poster was a big seller. I’m sure that it went up on a lot of gay’s walls as well.

            • ReallyMGM

              LOL
              I was just a kid! I’m suprised his brother didn’t have it up though. He wasn’t out then, but certainly didnt hide the fact he was gay either.

            • ReallyMGM

              Husband played college football. At that time I think it was his single focus in life.

            • Missionary Kid

              That certainly would explain it.
              The demands on collegiate football players can be extraordinary.

            • ReallyMGM

              OT: have you heard from science doc? Did he do ok through his surgery? Concerned.

            • Missionary Kid

              His surgery has been delayed to the 22nd. I’ll be seeing him before then.

            • ReallyMGM

              Give him my best wishes. I know this has been hard on him. Tell him I will be having a radio frequency ablation procedure on cervical disc 2-3 on the 23. Just another
              band-aid, not a permanent fix.

            • Missionary Kid

              Will do.

            • Baby

              Me too honey

            • Missionary Kid

              I emailed him with both of your best wishes.

            • Baby

              OH yay..thanks honey

            • Science Doc

              Thanks.

            • Baby

              Thinking of you Doc.. xoxo baby

            • Science Doc

              Hope it goes well. I’m OK today. About to do some of the Preop appointments.

            • ReallyMGM

              Thanks. Ive had two before so I know what to expect (sunburn) and am realistic about its results (not great).
              I will be thinking about you tomorrow (and I know I won’t be the only one.)
              Neck pain can be such a pain in the neck. (Bad, bad joke)

          • Baby

            bawwwwwwwwwwwwhahahhahhahaha… That is funny..kitteh

            ” Spitz felt snubbed by not being asked to attend the 2008 Summer Olympics to watch Michael Phelps attempt to break his seven gold medal record. In an article, he is quoted as saying, “I never got invited. You don’t go to the Olympics just to say, I am going to go. Especially because of who I am. . . . I am going to sit there and watch Michael Phelps break my record anonymously? That’s almost demeaning to me. It is not almost—it is.”

            Spitz has stated that he has no hard feelings towards Phelps. He is, however, unhappy that he was not invited to the 2008 Summer Olympics. As a result, Spitz refused to attend the games. “They voted me one of the top five Olympians of all time. Some of them are dead. But they invited the other ones to go to the Olympics, but not me,” he said. “Yes, I am a bit upset about it.”
            …………………………………………..
            Mac told me years ago about his brother.. and Mark S. ..So last night as I probed for more info.. blah, blah..

            He said ” Who Spitz? ” .. ” Well he was the best I would be an Arrogant Asshole too.. ”

            OMG what kind of man did I marry? Good Lord. UGH f5

        • Missionary Kid

          While he only won one silver medal in the Olympics, Jim Ryan, who was a fantastic runner, and world record holder, was never an asshole. My politics are far from his, but I respect the man.

          • Baby

            That is great..and I know I sound bitchy.. I love humility .. and many athletes have that character in them also.

      • noseinabk

        I am positive that some kids are absolutely ambitious to achieve just as I am positive that many parents are nuts who think pushing the kid will be the ultimate achievement as a parent.

    • Missionary Kid

      I was lucky. My kids were in sports where the parents didn’t tolerate aggressive parents. I even coached soccer for a while, and made it fun for the kids. The kids won often enough, and were happy. When they lost, there wasn’t any recrimination allowed. The kids felt bad enough as it was. It also weren’t sports where everyone got a medal.

      My oldest was on a team that went to Vancouver, Canada one year, and the next, a team from there came back. The kids were motivated enough themselves.

      I know that if any parent tried to live through their kids and force high expectations on them, the other parents would have given them crap. I believe it’s a matter of where you live.

      • Baby

        You can motivate Kid.. You can encourage .. but to demand excellence and to be #1 always ( At any cost) is just cruel.

        • Missionary Kid

          Amen. The mantra is, do your best. As a parent, I felt it was my job to keep my kids from injury, and to let them choose whether or not to participate. On the other hand, I made them aware of their commitments to their teammates.

          • noseinabk

            Yep. If they ask to participate in a team they need to complete the season. If they hate it they don’t need to go back but I always hoped it was because they found somthing else more fulfilling. For one it was scouts and for another it was music lessons.

            • Missionary Kid

              I ended up being a Cub Scout Den Mother (I’d never heard the term Den Father, so that’s what I called it), and Pack Leader.

              When I started out as a Den Mother, for the first year, I had someone else help me out. The boys were so active and hard to handle, he dropped out the second year. When I’d tell people who were in my pack, they’d say, “You had THOSE boys in your den?”

              I once took them on an 8 mile hike, up one side of a canyon, and back down. One kid, who never shut up, had heard about the biblical golden calf, and it got him started talking about the “golden cow.”, and he spent the entire hike talking about the golden cow, and riffing on it. At the end of the hike, there was almost a lynching party – led by me, but I held my temper, but I ribbed him mercilessly.

              My time as a Marine helped me keep them in line by keeping them active.

      • Kay

        I was lucky as well……there were eight of us kids at home, both parents worked, and frankly my parents were so busy just taking care of such a big family that they were just happy if we passed our classes at school, didn’t ditch church on Sunday, and didn’t get into trouble. Past that, anything we accomplished was completely our own idea. Once we showed an interest, then they supported us, but didn’t put any pressure on us at all as far as how far we took anything. That meant that we truly OWNED our accomplishments, which interestingly enough resulted in the fact that we generally did better in music, competitive sports, running for class office and whatever else we did than our friends. If we decided to bag something we started, they would just say “OK, it’s your decision.”

        • Missionary Kid

          The only thing that I’d change in your statement for my kids was that before a kid could quit something, we’d have a long talk. Often times, it really was just that they were temporarily discouraged, and needed to blow off steam.

          • Kay

            Good point….sometimes my Mom would discuss it with us just to make sure we weren’t just discouraged or mad at someone if she thought it might be something we would want to finish. My Dad had to travel at least 50% of the time, so that was sort of her thing.

        • Baby

          What a nice story Kay.. That’s how it was in our family.

        • noseinabk

          Exactly so. My kid was immensely non-competitive and went on to be class president and team captain without any push from me.
          I would let the kids guide us to what they wanted to join. I have met some parents who dine out every night and get home after nine pm because they had so many sports and groups to attend. No way could I live like that.

          • Kay

            I agree….my parents could never have done that…too many kids too little time. However, we had so many siblings that one or more of our brothers and sisters were always there for us if my parents were working, and at really important events (like the lead in a school play or a big game) my parents would make sure they came. My mother used to tell me she was highly annoyed/disturbed by the other mothers who would come to some of my cheerleading events, because they would sit next to her and try to pump her for information about me, i.e. who I was dating, if I was going to run for Prom queen, etc. She was a silent at a sphinx and eventually they gave up sitting next to her. She thought that they were nuts to be that obsessed about what their daughters were doing and who their “competition” was. It was just an alien concept to her.

            • noseinabk

              I didn’t do so well with mom’s like that either. 😃
              Having girls 14 years apart has been a real eye opener to how things have changed. I see not only the competitive mom’s but more submissive mom’s who are letting the kid rule the roost in middle school years vs high school. My youngest understands that my house is a dictatorship and not a democracy for a reason. Thankfully both of her older siblings back me up on this.

            • Baby

              Absolutely alien concept Kay.. ugh

          • Baby

            I could never have lived like that either nose.. And yes.. So many parents guilty of what you described.

      • ReallyMGM

        I’ve read and thought about it from many angles.

        My cousin’s kid is one of top pro athletes in the world in his sport. He has been doing it since he was 5 years old. His parents had no money to spend on it and he still found a way. No one could have stopped this kid. He was that driven to do it. And believe me he has had so many obstacles! He is from a family of 4 boys and all of them have the same sort of inner drive to be the best at what they do. The others have succeeded the same way in academics and business.
        They are all adrenaline junkies, skiing, snowboarding, ect. She came home one day when they were in high school and they had built a skateboard ramp off the roof of the house. She caught them before any of them died.

        My daughter ice skated as a child and I saw parents act awful. I have seen dog show Jr handler parents act like lunatics. But I have seen the same nastiness from parents pushing their kids in academic stuff, too. Honestly it started in kindergarten.

        Good story. My daughters grade school church baseball coach was an Olympic gold medal winner in track. You would probably remember him, MK. He had no knowledge of basketball but a wonderful, kind coach because he taught teamwork, confidence and fun. He cheered every attempt and success. Everyone played equal time regardless. I got to know his wife well and she told me she found his medal in a shoe box in the back of their closet.

        People are going to be assholes. Just sort them out and stick with the good peeps.

        • Missionary Kid

          Exactly. The really good people know that they have either something special, in talent or drive, and don’t expect it from others, let alone kids.

          There are a lot of gold medal winners in track, so who you’re talking about could be just about anyone.

          OT. That reminds me, that years after being an Olympian and world record holder in the mile, Jim Ryan used to run past my house. I’ve never seen such an effortless, beautiful stride. I remember that he was the first high schooler to run the mile in under 4 minutes, and he did it 5 times. His high school record stood for 36 years.

          I didn’t know much about soccer when I was a coach, but I used the triangle system from basketball to get the kids to envision how to position themselves. Luckily, they were at the stage where not a lot of sophistication was needed. One game, to get them to focus, I told them I’d take them all out for pizza if they reached a particular goal. I forgot about it, and they performed spectacularly. Needless to say, they loved to reminded me as soon as the game was over.

          The McMartin trial was going on when I was a Cub Scout Den leader, so I was very careful to make sure that I always had at least two kids with when I did anything. The fact that I had to be aware and careful about everything I did pissed me off. On the other hand, it made me aware that there were abuses that did occur, even though nothing was proved in the case.

          That trial is now used as a teaching tool on how NOT to interview kids. The mother who made the accusations that started with the accusations was mentally ill, and died an alcoholic before the trial was over, IIRC. I know that I had met her when she was a teenager, because her father was the pastor of a church I attended for a while, but I have no recollection of her.

          On topic: I’m not an advocate of giving medals or trophies to everyone who participates (the Special Olympics being an exception). I wouldn’t allow bullying because of a lack of skills of a teammate. I also knew that a team could be up one game and down another, but, most importantly, that a team that is playing on the same page in a game can beat a team with far better players.

          • ReallyMGM

            Dave Wottle

            • Missionary Kid

              You’ll enjoy this article, from 2012, about Dave. http://www.espn.com/olympics/summer/2012/espnw/story/_/id/8202647/dave-wottle His wife appears to be a real part of his success. His coach didn’t want him to get married when he did, just 6 days after the Olympic trials.

              From the article: Wottle politely refused, though not because he was a courageous rebel. “I wouldn’t say I stood up to Bowerman,” Wottle said. “I was just a 22-year-old kid, and I didn’t have the personality of a Steve Prefontaine. I think it was more like, ‘I understand, but I’m going through with [the wedding].'”

              Besides, he said, he would rather face Bowerman than leave his fiancée waiting at the altar, even for a couple of months.

              He credits her encouragement with helping him with confidence that he needed to win.

            • ReallyMGM

              Thanks for that.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’d actually forgotten about Dave. Here’s the video of the 1972 race. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LHid-nC45k It is considered to be one of the greatest finishes in track and field.

            • Baby

              Awwwwwwwww sweet..

            • Baby

              I love Dave Wottle. I went to Bowling Green and was screaming for him.. Class Act and humble.

            • ReallyMGM

              There is a kid from my tiny hometown at the track events. The entire town is going nuts with banners and stuff. If he wins he might be declared king or something. LOL

            • Baby

              Oh this is what I like to hear.. thanks Kitteh..

            • ReallyMGM

              I didn’t mean to name drop about that. He just came to mind after you mention a Mark Spitz since he was a name from those same Olympics of some note. He was just a normal dad, doing normal dad things with his daughter’s friends, and was exceptionally good at it. I would not have never known if my husband if my husband had not mentioned it to me mid way through the season. I was so glad MK sent me link to the story about his long, successful marriage.
              I was a preteen during those games and was not allowed to watch much of it due to the terrorist attacks (smart protective mama). I only saw the good stuff after my mom screened it. If you have a “burner email” I will explain why.

        • Baby

          Oh that is a wonderful story MG..

          while reading the beginning of your post..I agree some children ARE driven.. without any prompting.. it comes from within.

          and nastiness in academic.. OMG I saw that also.. sigh.. Some parents don’t realize how they are damaging their kids to feed their own ego..

    • Juicer77

      Baby, I agree about so many aspects of what you have written. Don’t even get me started on the boondoggle power group that is the IOC.

      • Baby

        OMG yes..don’t get Chicago started on that either! Thanks Juice..

    • It’s always struck me that people who train kids for any event, let alone the Olympics are operating a kind of pyramid scheme. Kids are told that, if they work hard, they can get to the top. This simply isn’t true – there is obviously only one first place.

      You may derive prestige from getting close, but that’s not the dream that’s being sold. For every sporting hero, thousands have been discarded, after wasting their time and parents money and might even be saddled with an injury, if their trainer was really ‘going for glory’ (through them).

      Besides, this is the year when a major Olympic nation, which was well known to have been cheating for decades, was finally nearly (but not quite) banned for systematic, state-sponsored cheating. If you don’t have corrupt doctors and biochemists behind you, it’s just worth bothering, in some events.

      I have to be careful because, in some places, you can’t even say “Olympics” without being liable for prosecution for violating their lucrative copyright (Olympics, Olympics, Olympics, Olympics).

      • Baby

        Excellent points O.B. … Absolutely agree..

    • 0tessa

      Agree, In many cases sport has become an obsession.

      • Baby

        OMG yes.. 0 and it drives me crazy..

  • Good new week to all. Kindness, use it.
    I will try my best too.

    • noseinabk
      • Baby

        OMG.. I want those rabbits.. ADORABLE and of course the little baby boy..

    • Baby

      Kindness.. Yes. ( Were you talkin to me) ha..

    • Qbird

      This song out of Canada has the Loon’s call in the beginning & is one of my all time favorites.

      Akua Tuta by Kashtin

      (Translation from Innu Aionun)

      Be careful what you do

      Be careful what you do with the thing you protect

      Be careful what you do

      Be careful what you do with the thing which has helped you

      Take care of our land

      Be careful what you do the way you were raised

      Take care of our grandfathers

      Take care of our grandmothers too

      Take care of your children and your brother and sister’s children too

      https://youtu.be/E8I-Hy2vC8Y

      • noseinabk

        So pretty! On days like today when we grit our teeth at the shenanigans of the scientology front groups it is nice to have something nice and mellow to focus on for a few minutes.

      • Baby

        Beautiful..Q

  • Kay

    I just barely logged into the bunker….I turned the TV on at the same time, and Leah Remini is on The Match Game on ABC. I’m in MST so probably a lot of people are already too late to watch. I’m glad to see Leah on TV…..she’s so funny.

  • Baby

    OK.. signing off for awhile.. taking a break..

    We can agree to disagree about the Olympics.. It is a hot issue I know.. I just wanted to say what my thoughts were.. xo baby

    PS my granddaughter is visiting with my daughter this week.. and she is all excited about the Olympics.. I won’t spoil it for her.. and will watch. f5

    • Kay

      You’re a good grandma !!

      • Baby

        I love my babies.. thanks Kay.. xo

    • Draco

      Enjoy having your babies there! xxx

      • Baby

        I can’t wait Draco.. I am so excited.. thank you..

    • Robert Eckert

      *That* daughter? Hope everything goes well.

      • Baby

        OMG.. NO..NO NO NO NO…

        She has visited and it went without a hitch..but pins and needles and walking on egg shells and ” Good Roads Fair Weather..”

        but it was a long week when she came. sigh..

        This daughter is kind, loving and sweet! xoxoxo Thanks Robert.. you remembered my high maintenance one..( Narc.)

  • Snippy_X

    Interesting clip on “the bullshit artist” – familiar patterns here.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kJpttKLUtI

  • richelieu jr

    I’m sorry, but that lone musketeer’s fleur-de-lys looks more like Charley the Tuna saying, “I give up, I’m going home to sell used cars.”

  • allioops

    Night out against crime scenarios having Scientology there is bad news. I was in the 102 Precinct Night Out in Queens. Lucky for the cult, they did not show up where I was. I was able to speak with the Queens Borough president and tell her that she made a big boo boo when she posed with the Foundation for a Drug Free world. she said she took thousands of pics. I told her if she wants to continue in politics, pick who one she associated with.
    Also, “Dave Tidman” was my last auditor…He knew that I was going to be declared. Some loyalty. He ust stepped aside without a “heads up.” Months later I saw him in the street near my home (he works for the “wasband” the ex husband; whose business is a d few blocks from my home.) He a had hit a dog with his car. I was talking with the dog’s owner; when the “Reverend Tidman,” as he calls himself, started yelling that My husband left me because he could not stand living with me as i was a horrible wife and unable to be around.

    NICE; from my “auditor” no less! PS, I saw the dogs owner the next day and he said the dog was OK.

    • Nightflyer

      I saw “Going Clear.” I nearly hit the ceiling over L. Ron Hubbard and David Miscavage’s little scam. And that omnipotent church has a grand total of 60,000 members worldwide. About the capacity of Shea Stadium. It’s a fraud.

  • ze moo

    Conflagrations {yes, that is the way I want to spell it} researchers! You found some Trump tax records.