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Scientology appeals $1 million loss to Florida supreme court, and Ken Dandar gets canny

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[Florida’s state supreme court]

Just yesterday we were singing the praises of our sources, and once again we want to say a big thank you, this time to the extraordinary researcher Mary McConnell, who tipped us to some very interesting new documents in the ongoing saga of attorney Ken Dandar.

In March, we reported the amazing news that Dandar miraculously managed to get out from under a million-dollar judgment against him awarded to the Church of Scientology under bizarre circumstances.

It all goes back to 2004, when Dandar was involved in the settlement that ended a wrongful death lawsuit against the church brought by the family of Lisa McPherson, who Dandar was representing. Scientology claims that as part of that deal to end the lawsuit, Dandar promised never to bring another lawsuit against the church. But five years later, he did just that, helping Victoria Britton try to get her day in court over the disturbing death of her son, Kyle Brennan.

Dandar ended up in an utterly strange tug of war, with the original McPherson court telling him to drop his representation of Britton or be fined, and the federal court handling the Britton lawsuit telling Dandar he couldn’t abandon his client. And even though Dandar did eventually hand over Victoria’s lawsuit to someone else, the McPherson court fined him a million dollars for supposedly going against his 2004 agreement, payable to Scientology.

Got all that? It’s crazy, we know. Well, Dandar fought that judgment in numerous ways, all of which frankly seemed like longshots. But in March a Florida state appellate court decided that Scientology had gone about things wrong procedurally. Because the 2004 McPherson suit had been settled and dismissed, its court wasn’t in a position to award new damages, even if Dandar was in violation of the 2004 agreement. If Scientology believed that Dandar was in violation, the church should have initiated a new lawsuit, rather than try to revive a dismissed one. And so the appellate court wiped out the million-dollar judgment, much to Dandar’s relief.

Since then, a couple of things have happened. Naturally, Scientology appealed that decision because it appeals everything. It has asked the state supreme court to review the appellate court’s decision, and we have a copy of the brief the church submitted. It’s pretty technical, which is usually the case with appeals, and it asks the state supreme court to look at other rulings that have gone differently on similar subjects, asking the court to reconcile what appears to be an inconsistency in the application of law.

Still with us? Dandar, meanwhile, answered that filing with his own brief, sticking up for the appellate decision, naturally, and accusing Scientology of being cute with the facts of the case. He argues that the appellate court enforced the correct case law in the correct way.

Meanwhile, as we wait for the state supreme court to rule on that appeal (and the court is currently on vacation until near the end of the month), something else interesting happened back down in the original state court that had settled the Lisa McPherson lawsuit and then, under retired Judge Crockett Farnell, saddled Dandar with the ruinous million-dollar judgment.

Judge Farnell issued an order not only acknowledging the appellate court decision wiping out his previous judgment, but he went even further: He not only vacated the judgment, but even asked the court clerk to have it expunged from the record.

It’s as if Scientology’s attempt to ruin Ken Dandar never happened.

Dandar, recognizing an opportunity when he saw one, then attached Farnell’s order to a motion to the state supreme court, asking it to dismiss Scientology’s appeal as moot. How, after all, could Scientology appeal a case that didn’t even exist any more?

We find that pretty clever, and, we hesitate to say it, somewhat Scientological in its cunning!

When we called Ken Dandar to ask him about his new filing, he said he didn’t want to make any public statements until the state supreme court returns from vacation and makes a ruling. Hey, we’re curious about that outcome too, and we’ll let you know as soon as it happens.

 
DOCUMENTS

Scientology’s appeal brief to the Florida state supreme court
Ken Dandar’s response to Scientology’s appeal
Ken Dandar’s motion to dismiss (attached: Judge Farnell’s order expunging Scientology’s previous victory)

 
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Our money man on Scientology’s latest real estate purchase

 
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You may have caught the news at The Real Deal that Scientology had recently purchased a 185,000-square-foot warehouse in the City of Commerce (near Los Angeles) for $32.5 million. Scientology was already the tenant in the building, where it has one of its state-of-the-art printing and packaging facilities.

We know what you’re thinking. With so many overpriced, underused real estate boondoggles to David Miscavige’s name, had the Scientology leader made another blunder? We turned to our money man, John P, who explained to us that in this case, the church may actually be making a shrewd move. Here’s what he sent us…

While I am not a commercial real estate expert, I have worked and managed plenty of people who are, so I have some general idea how to look at a deal like this. The first thing you do when analyzing a commercial real estate deal is to figure out what they are paying in dollars per square foot. The Bridge Publications facility is 185,000 square feet, and the cult paid $32.5 million. That works out to $175 per square foot.

The building was built in 2008, so it is relatively new and is in much better shape than a lot of the real estate stock in the City of Commerce. The Bridge Publications building has a fairly ornate frontage, which makes it more valuable than older buildings with less “curb appeal,” because the Bridge facility could be used as a corporate headquarters by a future tenant. It’s also literally a stone’s throw from an on-ramp to Interstate 5, a major highway giving easy access to tens of millions of customers within a few hours’ drive. That would make the building particularly valuable to a warehousing operation that distributes goods customers actually want.

Importantly, the Bridge building has much higher ceilings than most older warehouse/manufacturing facilities. High ceilings these days are increasingly essential for warehouses using automated picking equipment, because the higher the ceiling the more goods per square feet you can stock and you are thus much more efficient — the picking equipment doesn’t have to move as far to pick an item, so the time to pick an order drops substantially. I am guessing based on the picture in this article that the ceiling of the Bridge facility is at least 32 feet, which is reasonably attractive, though some buildings are now going up with 40-foot and higher ceilings. I have heard of old warehouses that are otherwise in fine shape but with 20-foot ceilings that are being torn down and rebuilt; the cost savings from higher density are that significant.

I looked at one commercial real estate listing site and, while I could not find anything of that size for sale in the City of Commerce, I found a couple of buildings in the 20,000 to 60,000 square foot range that are somewhat comparable. Prices for those buildings, which were built at various times starting in the 1960s, range from $125 a square foot to $225 a square foot. The $175/square foot that Scientology paid is well within the range of somewhat comparable facilities that I was able to track down. Thus, as a result, the transaction seems to make economic sense for the cult. It’s not a boondoggle like some of the Ideal Org sites or the Super Power building in Clearwater.

I will take a wild guess here, but given that they took occupancy of the building in 2008, it is likely that the lease was up for renewal in 2018. Scientology may have gotten indications from the owner that they were either going to sell the building or, more likely, they were going to raise the rent significantly. It is possible that Scientology would be nervous that any new owner might take issue with them and raise the rent significantly to get them to move, though I think this is relatively unlikely. Typically, an owner selling a building will raise the rent slightly before selling it and will sell the building only when it’s full, to maximize the sale price. If the rent were raised too fast, the landlord would be stuck with an empty building, which is a much bigger problem in commercial real estate than it is in residential, because it takes much longer to find a new tenant and complete a build-out of the interior before the flow of rent payments starts to come in.

I’d be willing to bet that commercial real estate in that neighborhood could rise from around $8 to $12 per square foot per year especially given the high ceiling and proximity to the freeway. I think we’ll be seeing a lot of competition to set up one-hour or two-hour delivery from Internet retailers like Amazon or bricks-and-mortar retailers like Home Depot, and the Bridge Pubs facility would be very attractive to a company like that.

Given that Scientology has lots of cash on the balance sheet that’s probably not making them that much interest, it probably makes more sense to use some of that cash to buy the building than to spend probably $1.6 million to $1.8 million per year on lease payments for a business that’s probably not pulling in more than $4 million to $5 million per year (not counting the brief bump from republishing Battlefield Earth over the last couple months). With that lease burden, they’re probably losing money. But once they own the building, they can essentially pull enough cost out of the equation so that Bridge becomes somewhat profitable on revenues that continue to decline, since they have minimal labor costs due to the pittance each staff member makes. They also have few variable costs: they’re not exactly spending a lot of money on paper because so few people are actually buying any books so those printing presses are mostly silent.

Thanks for that analysis, John P.

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

Among the photos from inside Scientology’s new ‘Ideal Org’ in Harlem, we found this glass mural somewhat interesting and mildly disturbing…

 
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  • You can only wonder how Scientology lawyers are going to respond to this new situation and try to imagine the faces of the justices of the Florida Supreme Court when they argue that a decision that was (for legal purposes) never made ought to be enforced.

    The lesson to lawyers is still out there, though. Represent someone who might damage Scientology and we will spend a fortune to take you down by any means necessary. Don’t do it.

    Scientology’s legal arguments may be farcical, but that lesson stands.

    • Vexatious Litigant: a status seemingly made for the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology (and long overdue).

      • They already appear in Wikipedia under the heading or “Notable Vexatious Litigants” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexatious_litigation#Notable_vexatious_litigants a status which should, indeed, be recognised in law.

        After all, Hubbard made vexatious litigation a matter of doctrine:

        The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than win. The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause professional
        decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly.

        L Ron Hubbard, The Scientologist, a Manual on the Dissemination of Material, 1955

        • chukicita

          Exactly. It’s *scripture.*

  • Peter

    Regarding the Ken Dandar situation, scio seems unable to win in the long term. My bet is for the whole thing blowing away with only Dandar the winner. I doubt that in this case scio would go to the US Supreme Court as they would very likely decline the whole issue.

    • I think you mean to say that the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology got away with derailing one criminal case and years of harassment without any significant sanction from the court system 🙁

    • Scott H

      Went hiking there with the family a few years back. Beautiful scenery, shame about the bears.

  • Sunny

    Great article today. A minor point on the Bridge building, and this is the case with all Scn buildings, is even though Scn bought the building outright, the Scn tenants (such as Bridge, or a Class V org), now owe a “mortgage” to Int management. Bridge has to pay Int management back for the building.

    • True indeed. However, the chance that Int Management will collect on some of these debts is nil. I’m reminded of the case of the Ideal Org in New Zealand. I reviewed their financial statements filed with the government a couple years ago (like the Netherlands, NZ requires charities to disclose financials so we can see just how little money the cult is bringing in).

      As I recall, headquarters holds an NZ$10,000,000 mortgage on the building, and there was a disclosure in the notes to the financial statement that if the NZ Org doesn’t start repaying that, the government will consider the loan a gift, with tax consequences for it.

      My suspicion is that Miscavige is having to loan more money to the orgs to keep buying and renovating real estate and that he knows full well that they’re never going to be able to repay the loan. However, given my belief that the cult is more about control of people’s lives than it is about money, he enjoys the pressure the outstanding debt puts on the staff at any given org.

      • Yes. And it’s important to his status that only COB can do anything right – so he has to have something to use to condemn others who might become so successful that he would perceive them as a threat.

        If an org were to ‘boom’ due to a charismatic individual, the outstanding mortgage is one of the options that would be used to bring this person down.

        You’re fond of comparisons between Scientology and North Korea and this is another – the absolute suppression of anything resembling initiative. In both cases executive actions are all about retaining power inside the ‘bubble’ and nothing to do with effectively dealing with the world outside – in fact, Miscavige’s paranoia insures that any person who might really promote Scientology has a very limited career in the organisation.

      • grundoon

        Also, it makes the orgs judgment proof.
        In case they are sued and lose, they have no assets.

        • In Ontario, that defense lasted as long as it took for the judge to give them a hairy eyeball of scorn.

          It’s a little league tactic.

          • ze moo

            ‘hairy eyeball of scorn’ would be a great name for my ska band.

      • Sunny

        Orgs like CC Int/Manor Hotel were made to pay for the building.
        If I recall correctly, it was purchased for around 7 million in the late 70’s or so? (I am not sure as I was a child back then, still in Sea Org with my mom). When I was a Sea Org member at CC from 91 to 98, during that time, the org was paying back Int management for the purchase and renovations of the building. I know in mid 90’s it appraised for 58 million, which was supposedly a huge secret from the staff and Scn public (I have no idea why that would be a secret?). CC thankfully did not pay appraised price, but they did pay for the building and repay management for all renovations, plus double for outside grounds because the contractor hired for the building of the garage and pavilion ripped off his subcontractors and paid them zero, so CC had to pay them again. They went after the contractor, but he filed bankruptcy and got away with not paying.

        • Ben Franklin

          I think the $58 Mil appraisal value was probably to be kept a secret because they didn’t want the tax collecting authorities to know the building was worth that much.

        • ze moo

          A ‘scientological’ contractor? Where could he have learned that?

      • Sunny

        I remember also that the payment made to management was always a percentage of the income. So if the org made no money, they paid no money, that was the agreement. The percentage is only when it makes money. So an Ideal Org that makes no money would not be pushed to make payments. But an org like CCI that made quarter of a million per week, the dough rolled out.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      That’s a hell of a scam Dave has going. The people in the org do all the fundraising, sometimes for years, maybe the IAS kicks a little in to push it over the top. They then have to put on a big ribbon-jerk for Dave to come revel in the applause (none of which he’s earned) then…when all that craziness is over, they owe him rent every month.

      The mental gymnastics these people have to do to justify this in their minds must be incredible. 🙁

      • That’s interesting. I know that the local organisations are responsible for property taxes, utilities and maintenance. The old hotel where I live, was bought in 2010. Since then, it has been left to rot while the local org struggles find the money for Council Tax and try to fix the rapidly failing roof. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/plymouthuk-ideal-org/

        However, it doesn’t matter to the Church of Scientology International if this old building is condemned – it hasn’t cost the parent organisation anything to acquire or maintain – whatever they make from its sale is pure profit.

        There are only 27 Scientologists in this whole area (the South-west of England) so a 50-bedroom hotel with two ballrooms, kitchens and many other service spaces is a complete non-starter as an ideal org. The notion of the locals could afford to pay rent on top of everything else if laughable – so the promised Ideal Org will never happen.

        Even this isn’t a problem. The CofS just has to start selling off the failures to make even more money.

        They can justify this as a campaign to open facilities ‘in a more suitable location’. If they sell the most deserted locations first, there will be very few members affected – and everyone else will likely accept that this ‘relocation’ is part of Scientology’s never-ending ‘expansion’.

        Any property is likely to have appreciated in value while it was in the hands of the CofS and, even if it has been neglected it will bring in more cash.

        This scam can keep on for decades, even if donations flag.

  • OOkpik

    Scientology has been tampering with “cases” that don’t exist for almost seven decades but it’s likely to be Scientology with a colossal engram and “no case gain” this time.
    I vote Dander for the win.

    • Franklin Adams

      I hope you’re right. Florida Courts aren’t all that great though from the regular Circuit Courts all the way to the Supreme Court in Tallahassee. I won’t be surprised if they decide to nullify the lower court’s decision, reinstate the original judgement and reinstate damages somehow though.

      I certainly hope not, but I won’t be surprised at all if they do.

      Its home, and sometimes for some stupid reason I miss it, but the legal system in all areas (Civil, Criminal, Family, etc) there leaves a LOT to be desired.

  • JSkool101

    ScribD docs are set to “private,” couldn’t read…

    • SarahDB

      Refresh and try again

  • Yaayy! @ Dandar’s case advancing and for judge Farnell doing The Right Thing.

    And those Reasonable Critic “cut-outs” whose only comments here and in other fora ever were to spray mud at Ken Dandar: Fuck You Very Much!

    • richelieu jr

      SECONDED! VERY FUCKING MUCH!

  • Narapoid

    Good for you Ken. I can only imagine the colossal stress this has put on you after a dozen years, plus the 5 or so you did bringing the holy case to a just conclusion. It is a long time coming and bless you Ken Dandar.

    Judge Farnell, this helps justice… you should have killed it years ago, but this definitely helps.

    • chukicita

      I have to wonder if maybe Judge Farnell wasn’t under some kind of pressure himself at the time.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Fight fire with fire, Ken!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Breaking News
    08/03/2016 LA Reuters

    Punching Pontiff Finally Makes Good Investment
    with our religious real estate correspondents Gaudi HeelSpur and Le Corbusier

    Market analysts are buoyed by the news of a real estate purchase by the Co$.
    The Co$ shares have been on a long downslide since 2008 and this has been
    compounded by several disastrous investments by the David Miscavige Real
    Estate Investment Trust.
    Experts suggest that finally the small man may have made a canny investment.
    “If one throws enough darts at a board, one may eventually hit the bullseye.
    Miscavige generally hits his staff, not the bullseye,” an Anonymous source close
    to the diminutive high-school dropout said.
    “Miscavige is a self-made man. It is a pity he botched the job,” she added.

    “It is good to hear that the DM REIT is damn right for once,”
    said Donald Trump, in an attempt at seeming presidential
    while taking a pause from berating babies.

    In other news, ((($))) SuMP has a new reality tv show scheduled.
    It’s provisional name is “Shit-Slinging For Millenials” and it is believed to be
    filmed in Hungary.

    Weather Forecast for $cientology: Cloudy with a chance of rain

    • Scott H

      Win for berating babies.

      • ze moo

        Is there anything the Donald can’t f&%k up?

  • Hamtaro

    If anyone ever wonders why it’s so hard to get a competent attorney to litigate against Scientology, you don’t have to look any further than Ken Dandar: he filed the McPherson suit in Feb. 1997, to get compensation for a woman who died because she was denied proper medical treatment. A court action that was very much in line with his existing law practice. The case was settled in 2004. He is still spending enormous amounts of time on it in 2016. Nineteen years after the case was first filed.

    The U.S. justice system is the finest in the world, but it’s not designed to defend against a party that isn’t interested in resolving cases and has an unlimited budget. Maybe this circumstance simply wasn’t anticipated by the founders of our country.

    • jazzlover

      Regarding that last line, I’d easily add: “among tens of thousands of others”.

    • chukicita

      Just like our nonprofit tax policies weren’t designed to accommodate a criminal enterprise in sheep’s clothing.

      And the City of Clearwater didn’t establish its laws to protect itself against a predatory organization pretending to be benevolent but which provides no measurable benefit to the community.

  • BillJ (Grumpyfootyfan)

    I hope that canny move is Checkmate for Ken.

  • Ivan Mapother

    From a public relations point of view, spending $32.5 million so the general public doesn’t see six million cubic feet of unsold clam books being moved to a new site is money well spent.

    • Peter

      Lovely viewpoint. 🙂

    • ze moo

      How many copies of Battlefield Earth went directly from the press to the shredder?

      • About as many as were ‘donated’ without even having been printed in the first place?

  • Newiga

    Yeay for disturbing (mildly and not-so-mildly) murals! Just started my journey back home. What a great weekend in London! It was so good to meet you all. Might post a picture of myself with the Call Me sign later on…. Need to find some courage 😥😄 and a proper connection…

    • What’sup

      I have a mild cyber-crush on you.

      • Newiga

        *blushes and hides behind the Bunker sofa* 😉

        • Missionary Kid

          I have a dirty old man crush on you. 😛
          Actually, my thoughts are pure.

          • you are kidding… Right?

            • Missionary Kid

              Well, I am old enough to be in the dirty old man category, but I’m kidding about it. I never have acted as such towards a young, or, for that matter, any age women. I have jokingly said since I was about 55 that dating a woman under 30 almost seems like it would be child molesting.

              I think Newiga’s cute. She reminds me of a Finnish girlfriend I had in the 60s.

              I can remember watching the Eisenhower inauguration and, later, the Army-McCarthy hearings on TV as a kid. I was in my second year in college when JFK was assassinated, and I watching the resignation of Nixon on TV while holding my infant youngest child. Those are all events that many of the Bunkeroos only look upon as history, not a current event from their past.

            • I know what you are saying and there is nothing better for the eye than looking at something pretty! She is authentic and we are lucky to have her around. That picture is one of the best, holding that picture, will help spread this Meme or Concern towards those who fight this evil phenomenon of Disconnection.

          • Newiga

            😀 I’m flattered, MK. 😉

        • Guys! Guys! Guys! Newie’s hiding behind the sofa! Give the woman a little space and back off with the objectification! Which reminds me, I really must go, I hear Johnny’s going for a swim . . .

          • Newiga

            😀

  • PickAnotherID

    Why does the ‘glass mural’ have a picture of folks from Sigma Draconis (their males can’t grow hair either) greeting a young earth boy??

  • SarahDB

    Hmmm, the Co$ loses a lot in court but never uses that knowledge to change its ways…thinking about that really effective slogan, “not one thin dime for Wollersheim” who got a huge settlement later. More evidence that they can’t effectively evolve or change course to keep up with reality.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      But they have no interest in changing their ways nor are they allowed to by “scripture.”

      The legal scorched earth tactics have embroiled Ken Dandar in a decades-long fight.
      For them this IS a win.
      “The purpose of the lawsuit …” Lord Hubris

      As Hamtaro and Chuki point out, they prey on and exploit the chinks in the constitution.
      They are bad-faith citizens of every society plagued with their presence.
      The Internet and an informed community of critics and exes is death to their tactics in the long term.
      In the short term they can still make life hell for anyone they choose as target.
      Their problem now is that the number of targets continues to grow exponentially.

      At least something is straight up and vertical 🙂

  • Chee Chalker

    Is Lt. Uhura a Scibot in Harlem? Why is she in that mural?

  • At that Bridge building, have they found Daniel Montalvo’s finger yet?

    Daniel Montalvo’s Scientology Lawsuit Claims False Imprisonment, Child Labor Violations, Lack of Education While Growing Up in L.A.-Based Org March 11, 2011, Dennis Romero, LA Weekly

    • Hmm. 2007, so it might have been their previous location. Different place, same deal.

  • Johnny Tank, $cnMonkeyNut$ and Newiga

  • Ben Franklin

    I bet CoS lawyers who submitted the case to Florida Supreme Court were probably not even aware that Judge Farnell had vacated his previous judgement. I wouldn’t be surprised if the appeal is abruptly withdrawn once OSA finds out the news from the Bunker, and informs their lawyers.

  • ze moo

    “somewhat Scientological in its cunning!” is not a thing to admire. I am somewhat surprised that the clampire is appealing, but with 1 million on the line, I would appeal too. If there are enough cases with contrary decisions, the upper court may have to rule. That means more oral and written arguments and more money out of Ken Dandar’s pocket, but more money for the clam puppets. Yeah, that is ‘scientological’.

    DM really wants his pound of flesh, but should be denied. Florida law prohibits the type of ‘no compete’ agreements that Dandar had to sign in 04. Where is the Florida Bar Association friend of the court filing? They have been noticeably absent in this whole thing.

    • Kestrel

      I don’t think it’s the money. I think it’s the sadistic pleasure they get hounding a human being for as long as they can.

  • Silence of the Clams

    Nice mural guys. Couldn’t you find a local artisan to help you? It’s painfully obvious this ‘work’ came from someone outside the community who is completely unaware how locals might find it oh…..just a little racist in tone.

  • flyonthewall

    Rick Ross just posted this on yesterday’s article:

    http://disq.us/p/1am6x3r

    Gene Ingram stalked and harassed me for years.

    One memory of mine about Ingram is when he attended a Cult Awareness Network conference in California in the early 1990s as a Scientology operative. He tried to provoke me several times. Once he yelled insults at a Roman Catholic priest and insinuated that the priest was a homosexual. The same priest, who was an anti-cult activist, later left the priesthood to marry and start a family.

    I confronted Gene after that shameless incident and said to him, “Once you were a Los Angeles policeman, then you were a pimp (reference to Ingram’s vice cop days and related departure from the LAPD) and now you are Scientology’s whore. Gene you are going down in the world.” At that point Ingram went into a rage and was escorted away by security.

    Ingram has no moral compass and only money seemed to motivate him. He apparently didn’t care whether it violated his oath as a police officer and had no qualms about working for Scientology. Ingram made hundreds of thousands of dollars going after people like me, Gerry Armstrong, Cynthia Kisser and Priscilla Coates. Gene Ingram had no conscience about this and it appears from the photos that he made enough money to retire in style.

    Contrast this with the humble life of Gerry Armstrong and his finances.

    It’s sick to see a snake like Ingram live a life of wealth and relative luxury from the profits he made made hurting people. But there it is, life is not always fair and sometimes, as Ingram demonstrates, damn unfair.

    • aquaclara

      Thanks, Fly. Rick Ross nails it when he contrasts the seemingly carefree lifestyle of a heartless snake to the substantially less comfortable circumstances of ingram’s victims. We see this all too often in Scieńtology, and it’s sad.

      Since the police and the courts aren’t taking action, I have to hope that one day, Ingram and his like will be roasting permanently in the bowels of hell, working off the debts owed to their victims.

    • Mockingbird

      FYI, here’s my response to Rick Alan Ross’s comment:

      Thank you so much for saying this. The Scientology cult is seen as quirky and a joke to curious outsiders. But to people who are in Scientology or speak out against it it’s definitely harmful and sometimes deadly. I hope people learn how Scientology has attacked many good people like Paulette Cooper, Jon Atack, Gerry Armstrong, Margaret Singer and yourself.

      It may be bizarre but it’s not a harmless quirky religion. It’s a destructive cult. It destroys its own members, their families and anyone who dares to tell the truth about it. I was in for twenty-five years and at one time someone in the same org as me was going to the media. I was assumed to be that person and a campaign to ruin me utterly by driving me to madness or suicide was undertaken.

      At the time as a very loyal Scientologist I was unaware and extremely vulnerable emotionally to the efforts of the cult as I believed they knew what was best for me. I had blind faith and zealous loyalty to Scientology.

      Thanks to a several year effort that has included a lot of research on what Scientology really is and what cults really do I have escaped the cult. Your book Cults Inside Out was a tremendous help for me and I highly recommend it to anyone who wants a solid thorough source for virtually everything relevant on cults and the research and references to consult on cults. I have put up reviews on Amazon and other places.

      A whole curriculum on cultic studies can be built from the materials you describe in great detail in your book. It covers Scientology quite well in several chapters and aspects of cults many other books leave out too. It covers other cults for comparison and successful and unsuccessful interventions.

      • flyonthewall

        nice

      • Hear, hear!

        Remy PETIT was an “OSA volunteer” who probably didn’t know any better until he had a change of heart and turned state’s evidence resulting in a criminal conviction for the of OSA France. On the eve of the appeal he sadly had another change of heart and committed suicide. None of that should have happened.

        • Mockingbird

          Jesus Christ, that is a tough story. I wish we had a weekly documentary series on the crimes of Scientology. That would make a good episode.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      “Once you were a Los Angeles policeman, then you were a pimp…and now you are Scientology’s whore. Gene you are going down in the world.”

      Damn. Somebody hand Rick all the mics to drop. That was glorious.

  • Jon S

    BREAKING NEWS: Following the unveiling of a new glass mural at the Harlem Idle Org, Scientology reveals its design for the equivalent installation at the Dublin Mission (F5)

  • Observer

    What is up with the men in that mural? They’re all bald, and two of them apparently have either vitiligo or some really inexplicable facial tattoos.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I was thinking some sort of jaundice but yeah, what you said.

      Scientology, why must we be the ones to tell you when you’re being racist assholes? *sigh*

  • ze moo

    Mary McConnell has posted some more Trout Run news. I continue to worship her from afar.

    UPDATE:
    Looking forward to getting my copy in the mail of Social Betterment (
    aka Narconon Trout Run ) Response to the County’s Motion to Dismiss or
    Consolidate. DOCKET UPDATE includes County Motion to Strike SBPI’s
    Memorandum of Support

    Doc No./Seq No.: 28/1
    File Date: 08/01/2016 Entered Date:08/02/2016 Decision:
    Party Type: Petitioner Party No.:1
    Document Name: Response to Defendants’ Motion to Dismiss, or in the Alternative, Motion for Consolidation

    Doc No./Seq No.: 29/0
    File Date: 07/18/2016 Entered Date:07/22/2016 Decision:
    Document Name: Administrative Agency Record Received

    Doc No./Seq No.: 30/0
    File Date: 07/22/2016 Entered Date:07/22/2016 Decision:
    Document Name: Notice of Filing Record

    Doc No./Seq No.: 31/0
    File Date: 07/29/2016 Entered Date:08/01/2016 Decision:
    Party Type: Administrative Agency Party No.:1
    Document Name: Motion to Strike and Memorandum in Support Thereof

    • noseinabk

      Ditto on the admiration. She is as sweet as she is smart and gave me a big hug after the DC book signing. Highlight of my trip.

  • MaxSpaceman

    That mural ‘is’ disturbing.

    It’s like the picture of El Ron El Rey’s direction/choreography of the Scn All-Stars, in black face and African Tribal costumes, which was posted in the past few days.

    It’s oddly racist. #1, for starters, what’s with the lips… a caricatured exaggeration…

  • Jon S

    BREAKING NEWS: Following the unveiling of a new glass mural in Harlem, Scientology reveals its design for the equivalent installation at the forthcoming Ideal Org in Mexico City (F5)

  • aquaclara

    Great to have a John P deep dive into the numbers on this real estate venture. When shall we expect the balloons, ribbons and shooping to take place? At least they can use some shredded book pages for the confetti…

    Thanks, John P.

  • Jon S

    BREAKING NEWS: Following the unveiling of a new glass mural in Harlem, Scientology reveals its design for the equivalent installation at the forthcoming Beijing Ideal Org (F5)

  • Newiga

    Ok…. Here we go! Honored to be part of this. Phil and Willie ❤❤

    • daisy

      You are just the cutest , it makes it difficult to still like you. You look like one of the Olson twins, not sure which one. I also have a crush on you.

      • jazzlover

        Here’s your chance to start a bunker dating service, Daize 😉

      • Missionary Kid

        She looks much better than the Olsen twins, who now look to me like they’re trying to duplicate the look of a Keane painting. She also has a smile, which the Olsens rarely seem to exhibit.

        • April

          Newiga is an adequately fed, apparently happy version of the Olsen twins. And she’s gorgeous.

          • Missionary Kid

            For some reason I feel that the Olsen twins look like they should be in a Charles Addams cartoon. I think it’s sad that they’ve had their lives scrutinized so much.

      • Princess Squishy

        I do see a bit of Olsen twin there, but way better than the Olsen twins now

        • daisy

          Absolutely much more natural, she doesn’t have the gaunt starved look, that they seem to have now. I meant it as a compliment .

          • Princess Squishy

            yeah I got that, I was agreeing with you 🙂 I think this is what the Olsen’s might look like if they had chosen a career path outside of fashion or Hollywood which worships skinny above all else, including health. Not that I have a right to comment on their health, I don’t know them, and there are probably some very skinny people who are naturally as skinny as the Olsens and still healthy, I don’t know if they are naturally that skinny or not.

      • Newiga

        That’s a huge compliment. Thank you, daisy! xxoo

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Look at you! The Bunker’s very own Finnish Flower Fairy. How is your mum?

      • Newiga

        Thank you, Andrea! *blushes* Mum is doing well. My sister picked us up from the airport and she’s on her way home. ^_^

    • You make that sign and symbol complete!

      • Newiga

        Thanks, Dice! Felt so good to hold that sign and sit next to Paulette Cooper.

        • I promise… you will get noticed around the Web holding that sign! 🙂

    • Jimmy3

      Hello
      How you doin

      • Newiga

        Well, hello there, Jimmy3! ^_^

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      Cutest ‘Call Me’ photo yet.

      • Newiga

        Aaaaw! Thank you, Phil! It means a lot coming from you. ^_^

    • Graham

      I spy Howdycon Popcorn on the table behind you! Was good to meet you again Newiga. Hope you and your Mum had a safe journey home.

      • Newiga

        Thank you, Graham. We did, tired but very happy. It was good to meet you too. ^_^

    • K2P2(KnitNut)

      Just lovely!

      • Newiga

        Thank you, K2P2! <3

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Ken Dandar in the 3rd document posted above –
    “Mootness”
    now, there’s a -ness word for ya, $cientology 🙂

    $cientology: a wolf in creep’s clothing

    DM: a creep in boy’s clothing

    Kirstie : A face drawn from a premature con-clusion

  • aquaclara

    Ken Dandar must have enjoyed seeing that latest move from Judge Crockett Farnell.

    As much as I hate to believe it, it looked like Scientology had gotten to the judge. The courthouse where Farnell worked for so many years in Clearwater is just a few footsteps away from the Fort Harrison and the SuperPower building. This latest move looks like an attempt to cleanse his conscience, or at least his record.

    Good luck, Ken.

    • ze moo

      Farnell may have been glad handed and safe pointed in the past, but we will have to see what he does now.

      Street level judges are elected in Florida, appeals court judges are appointed. Perhaps Farnell is now free to practice ‘his’ law. And all judges do practice ‘their’ law.

  • Mockingbird

    Good twists and turns filled day Bunkeroos.

    The Scientology legal history is the epitome of people abusing the letter of the law to betray the spirit.

    In Scientology the only spirit present in the generally good and trusting nature of people that gets betrayed, abused, exploited and defrauded. Like a carnival conman Hubbard relied on people and institutions assuming people and groups are good until it’s thoroughly proven they are not, and even then an assumption a person or group will get their act together persists.

    Some psychologists call it reverse projection. When a person with empathy, a conscience, basic human decency and humility deals with others usually they assume the other people have those qualities too and will be persuaded by them. Unfortunately, with a Ron Hubbard that assumption can cost you your time, sanity, family, happiness, money and very life.

    Similarly the Scientology cult is built to mirror the twisted mind and black heart of the dark messiah Ron Hubbard. David Miscavige eagerly leads the machine of madness as it betrays and crushes people who give everything in the hope that Scientology will make a better world. But like so many cults before it Scientology seeks to destroy the world to save it, to borrow a phrase from Robert Jay Lifton, even if Scientology ruins the world one person or family at a time.

  • Vaquera

    The mural: I think it’s plexiglass, not stained glass. Just sayin’.

    • Missionary Kid

      A few squirts of an ammonia-based cleaner will make that $cientology logo sparkle. 😉

  • Mockingbird

    Regarding the legal maneuver of dismissing a claim that relies on an earlier case that has been expunged and saying the claim has no basis because technically the expunged case doesn’t exist, it’s positively brilliant.

    It reminds me of how a politician recently had his marriage of twenty five years annulled ! So he can remarry and not be seen as an adulterer in the eyes of the Catholic church ! Never mind that twenty five years and those two kids. Should they assume they don’t exist in the eyes of the church either ?

    • oh, as long as the same politician never donated a cent to said church, what could be wrong about that?!?

      • Mockingbird

        I don’t care but the doctrine requiring only one marriage per life is not for me.

  • Fink Jonas

    The Harlem mural; they look like they all have vitiligo, are they saying Scientology is for Oreo people, or you black but we see white because thetans have no color, or you welcome if you bi-racial, wow that is a crazy mural.

    I don’t know anything about the law but Kudos to Ken Dandar! will that church ever learn.

  • daisy

    Mildly disturbing. Tony you have a gift for understatement. Even ignoring the 60*s dress .the Bill Cosby sweater, and the bald kid ,the people look like caricatures of African-Americans . Man they just cannot help being tacky with terrible taste.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      WHAT!!? Are you saying that you didn’t appreciate the artist’s interesting use of the same color for the polka dots on the woman’s dress, which matched the very white, black kid’s huge lips, that were both color-coordinated with the other lady’s bracelet?

      That’s hard to imagine, you must have overts!

      Now, sit down here, hold onto these and answer this: Have you ever had anything but adulation for Tom Cruise, Dear Leader and Kirstie Alley’s latest weight loss miracle diet?

      What do you mean that we have no right to inquire about your inner thoughts and feelings…THAT”S WHAT WE DO! But, don’t worry, we would never ever, in 27 billion lifetimes even consider divulging your confessional secrets…you can trust us!

  • Mockingbird

    Regarding the whole real estate thing Scientology may be following a practice that could be policy. Embarrassing as it is to admit I haven’t studied all thirty five million words of Scientology doctrine !

    I know that to some devout Scientologists it automatically means I am not qualified to form or express an opinion on it until I complete that first, basic introductory step as a Scientologist !

    But I don’t know the exact policies Hubbard had on this. I do know some companies far prefer to own rather than rent property whenever possible. I recall several times where Scientology chose to purchase property rather than rent. Now if you can tap a whale for a few million dollars every time you need to buy property it makes sense. You reg enough to buy and renovate a property, aquire it and then never have to pay rent again.

    You also get to boast about the beautiful building YOU provided for the public !

    And you own it so if you ever need to you could use the equity for credit or even sell it in the future ! Those donations for the org are nonrefundable, if you don’t believe me try to get the money back.

    • I think most of us assume that Miscavige does these things irrespective of what the Hubbard policies are on the matter. Miscavige isn’t know for his gung-ho attitude towards applying L. Ron Hubbard policy to things.

      • Mockingbird

        He in my opinion doesn’t believe in the technology but knows Scientologists do. He picks certain parts to follow, ignore or modify based on his own ideas and whims.

        I wasn’t sure what Hubbard himself advised.

      • Mockingbird

        By the way as a long time member do you feel Scientology will fall if Miscavige ever loses power ? I know you have a lot of information on Scientology and would appreciate your opinion.

        • The best way to approach a question like that is widen your view to the bigger picture. Miscavige is not Scientology. Whether or not he was there the thing would exist in some form or fashion. Even people who are disillusioned with Miscavige carry on the abuse and beliefs of Scientology under the guise of “Independent Scientology”.

          The virtual, if not literal end, of Scientology will come when it finally becomes irrelevant and people stop joining. The nature of Scientology is that it turns people into enemies. It can’t avoid this because after people give their money, time, body, heart and soul to Scientology, it has nothing to give back to them.

          Scientology as a corporation is composed of assets both physical and liquid. The organization’s assets far outweigh it’s liabilities so there is no threat of bankruptcy. Unless somehow the profits for the last 30 years or more could be declared ill gotten gains and seized by the government, or there were a class action lawsuit against Scientology that virtually liquidated the organization and paid out the plaintiffs, the organization could persist for decades as long as the stockholders are still there.

          I don’t know what the ownership structure of Scientology looks like, but were Miscavige to vacate his position or die, the pro forma corporate structure will actually become legally significant. That would play a big role in determining how long Scientology lingered. Whether or not a contingency or continuity plan is in place would also play a significant role.

          Regardless though, the organization will never flash out of existence. It will be a gradual and very slow process of circling the drain. Scientology as a subject will always be around for people dumb enough to believe in it.

          What will ultimately do Scientology in has nothing to do with Miscavige and everything to do with the brand itself becoming toxic. That is a time I look forward to. When people look at someone who calls themselves a Scientologist with disgust in their face. When that time comes Scientology will lose all of its incoming business and its most public figures will no longer want to be associated with it. It will become fair game for attorneys and the media and it will fade into obscurity a la Carlos Mencia.

          • Mockingbird

            Poor Carlos Mencia.

            I am specifically asking about the Scientology cult that Miscavige himself runs. Without that legal entity that simultaneously fights to exist and pretends to not exist the organized legal criminal efforts could not be sustained. The espionage efforts couldn’t be continued.

            The huge network of thousands of people being blackmailed in LA and Florida could not be sustained. The closed large cult with the Sea Org and staff wouldn’t be sustained either.

            You can have small missions that delivered introductory services but without the mirage of an upper bridge and the hand of a tyrant running it all they really don’t have the same destructive machine. Don’t get me wrong – ALL Scientology is a harmful fraud and should be discontinued to me.

            But the independent missions are often filled by true believers that aren’t devoted to Hubbard’s cruel doctrine. They still unknowingly harm people but have fewer of the larger cult’s totalitarian methods.

            If the large cult crumbles without Miscavige the legal battles will go in different directions.

            It’s been reported that Miscavige controls all the individuals that have legal authority over Scientology. Several are supposed to be permanently on the RPF and just sign papers that are put before them. Some others at another level are reported to be people that aren’t even Scientologists.

            What they gain by holding positions is unknown. Perhaps they get money or some other reward.

            But Scientology surviving without Miscavige as the large organization seems improbable to me.

            For the subject itself as long as the vast majority of humanity survives Scientology will. Certainly long after we are gone. It’s just too big with zealots and fanatics who will only give it up upon death.

            • You asked me for my opinion and I shared.Scientology will exist just fine without Miscavige. It is an incorporated entity which gives it the benefit of perpetuity. If Miscavige is out of the picture then I don’t see how his supposed blackmail network would matter anymore.

            • Mockingbird

              I can share my opinion too. Derek who will run the finances ? Who will decide the priorities and programs ? A cult without a narcissistic and sociopathic leader is in trouble.

              You can do whatever you choose, I am going to be frank and tell you people raised in cults have challenges most people don’t.

              I examined the information available on the Harvard Grant study. George Vaillant studied men for many years and found the greatest predictors of happiness are the absence of alcoholism and close loving relationships as young children with mothers. As we grow up we have psychological defense mechanisms we use to handle trauma.

              There are other possible factors to consider like genetics. Vailliant proposed that as we are raised we can use various kinds of defense mechanisms in different ways. He classified defense mechanisms into different groups. Some he called mature, others immature and some psychopathic particularly if used pathologically to avoid life.

              Second generation cult members often didn’t have close loving relationships with parents. And never developed maturity in using psychological defense mechanisms.

              Often they use immature defense mechanisms and so have cognitive distortions as they are compelled to act as if reality is different than it actually is. Splitting is an immature defense mechanism. It is black and white emotions in response to discomfort or uncertainty.

              It’s classifying people and concepts as extremely bad or intolerable or extremely good or above criticism. It’s a poor substitute for careful, critical analysis.

              Anyone can do it, particularly if upset. But for second generation cult members it can be a challenge.

              Often second generation cult members have issues with attachment, self esteem and trust. That’s explored by Janja Lalich in Take Back Your Life and Daniel Shaw in Traumatic Narcissism.

              You can do whatever you choose. But many people have walked the path you are on and many doctors have tried to help them. It doesn’t mean anyone will completely understand your experience or needs. It doesn’t mean there is a perfect guide or easy answers.

              But there is something to look at if you want to.

            • My point was that you asked for my opinion and then you dismissed it in favor of your own so why did you ask

            • Mockingbird

              Okay. We can exchange information. I can ask and look at your answer then write a comment in response.

              You don’t have to be defensive. Even if we disagree it’s not a big deal. People can disagree.

            • There wasn’t an exchange you just asked me what my opinion was and then told me why I was wrong. I’m not being defensive because I haven’t defended my opinion to you. You asked me, I didn’t offer my opinion to you. I put a lot of effort into that response because you asked and all you responded to was the first sentence. That’s kind of rude. I have no problem with your opinion at all. I thought you were genuinely interested in what I had to say. Lesson learned.

              Also I’ve read several books on psychology and have gone to years of therapy. Don’t need your keyboard psychoanalysis of me. I pay professionals to tell me what’s wrong with me.

            • Mockingbird

              Ok

            • Mockingbird

              Here’s a quote from an article in the Atlantic on the Harvard Grant study:

              Vaillant explains defenses as the mental equivalent of a basic biological process. When we cut ourselves, for example, our blood clots—a swift and involuntary response that maintains homeostasis. Similarly, when we encounter a challenge large or small—a mother’s death or a broken shoelace—our defenses float us through the emotional swamp. And just as clotting can save us from bleeding to death—or plug a coronary artery and lead to a heart attack—defenses can spell our redemption or ruin. Vaillant’s taxonomy ranks defenses from worst to best, in four categories.

              At the bottom of the pile are the unhealthiest, or “psychotic,” adaptations—like paranoia, hallucination, or megalomania—which, while they can serve to make reality tolerable for the person employing them, seem crazy to anyone else. One level up are the “immature” adaptations, which include acting out, passive aggression, hypochondria, projection, and fantasy. These aren’t as isolating as psychotic adaptations, but they impede intimacy. “Neurotic” defenses are common in “normal” people. These include intellectualization (mutating the primal stuff of life into objects of formal thought); dissociation (intense, often brief, removal from one’s feelings); and repression, which, Vaillant says, can involve “seemingly inexplicable naïveté, memory lapse, or failure to acknowledge input from a selected sense organ.” The healthiest, or “mature,” adaptations include altruism, humor, anticipation (looking ahead and planning for future discomfort), suppression (a conscious decision to postpone attention to an impulse or conflict, to be addressed in good time), and sublimation (finding outlets for feelings, like putting aggression into sport, or lust into courtship).

          • Gus_Cox

            I used to think Scientology would be all over by now. I was wrong, obviously. It’s been a long time since I hung out with many clams, and I failed to account for the serious mental handicap that most Scientologists have.

            Take a look at this post by renowned prat John Mappin:

            https://www.facebook.com/john.mappincamelotcastle/posts/10153583698246277?pnref=story

            It’s bad enough, but then read all the comments. They call Einstein and Hawking fools, frauds, idiots, criminals, evil. A guy who sells noni juice or some such multi-level bullshit calls Hawking “a second-rate physicist.” These are people who don’t even comprehend the most basic concepts of science.

            All that expert commentary… from people who believe Earth’s population arrived aboard Douglas DC-8s 95 million years ago and were thrown into volcanoes and implanted with Jesus (never mind that the first humans appeared barely 3,000,000 years ago and Christianity has only existed for 2,000). They *believe* that theory from a garrulous pulp writer who flunked a basic class in nuclear physics and they *know* they are right – and Einstein and Hawking are idiots.

            I have never seen such a sorry parade of ignorance and idiocy put forth with such execrable arrogance in my life.

            I forgot what average Scientologists are like. And in those comments, I was reminded: Ignorant, arrogant, insufferable know-it-alls, girded with the overconfidence of the dim-witted because their precious Fatman said what was so.

            Scientology as an organization will continue to shrink as the last people with a spark of their own intelligence leave. The membership will continue to evaporate for a while until all that is left is the fetid, scummy pond of Mappin and his ilk. As those people age and die so finally will the business of Scientology.

            It is inevitable, but it could take a while.

            • That is incredibly frustrating to read. The hardcore true blue Scientologists are very nutty because they have to reconcile Hubbard’s demonstrably false ideas with reality. The only way to do that is to claim that our view of reality is being skewed by people who are perpetuating conspiracies to keep us ignorant of the truth. Ironic considering that Hubbard and now Miscavige are the ones guilty of conspiracy.

              The part that frustrates me is not simply how aggressively stupid hardcore Scientologists are, but it’s that they believe their stupid beliefs are the reason it’s okay to destroy families or steal children from their parents and put them to work. They go around ruining childhood after childhood in the name of DC-8s and Xenu.

              Scientology drives that arrogance because of the idea that you can’t “invalidate” or “evaluate” anyone. The truth is that people need to be told when they are wrong, because otherwise they go around crafting false ideas and becoming victims of their own idiocy. That Facebook post is a prime example.

              A fellow Scientologist once sat me down and made me read a lecture transcript by Hubbard about the screen that keeps us all trapped here on earth. It is supposedly 50-something miles above us. The ISS orbits at 250 miles. Instead of telling me that Hubbard must be mistaken, he tells me about how the ISS must be fake and NASA is a conspiracy and clearly the moon landing wasn’t real. I felt dirty afterwards for some reason.

              I noticed when I went to read that Facebook post that it’s public. I’m temped to post a snarky remark but I’m afraid of attracted unwanted attention to my Facebook profile.

              Hmmm….

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              OMG I couldn’t believe some of the comments on there. One person inferred it was ridiculous that SH “continued to work with that appalling disability” 😳 And another dismissed him as crazy because he’s on drugs … So many referring to him as an idiot (pot meet kettle!!!). Then reading your story above about the screen… It honestly makes my brain hurt sometimes as I tend to put myself in another’s shoes because I’m pretty opinionated so it took years of growing up to learn to see things from other points of view – my brain can’t wrap around that crap without actual pain! Lol

  • ze moo

    JohnP hits the real estate nail on the head. Commercial real estate is about utility, location and price per square foot.

    My question is this, will the printing plant pay taxes when they publish Battlefield Earth or any of Lron’s fiction owned by ASI? Sure, they don’t have to pay taxes on Lron’s ‘scripture’, but ASI is a profit making entity.

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      Those are printed at a diferent facility. Somewhere in Vegas last I heard.

  • Observer

    A pleasing exhange from yesterday’s comments.

    F5

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Noice!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      OT, but I immediately thought of you when reading this article at the Indie. There’s also an accompanying photo of a distant Plastic Palace.

      “Dark Ages royal palace discovered in Cornwall – in area closely linked to the legend of King Arthur” – http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/king-arthur-castle-cornwall-tintagel-dark-ages-palace-camelot-a7168761.html

      • Observer

        I looked at Mappin’s FB to see if he said anything about it, but he’s still fawning hysterically over Trump. Also, Irina has apparently been promoted from Kazakh trophy wife to Russian news presenter. *eyeroll*

        Refresh

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Hehe, I’m watching the video now.

      • English Heritage (a respectable organisation) is conducting the dig, so the discovery is kosher.

        However, of all the places for a significant archaeological find why did it have to be next to that awful 1930s pile that styles itself the ‘Camelot Castle Hotel’? It’s such a a gift for their promotion. I just hope Mappin remains distracted by his distinctive take on US politics and misses the opportunity.

        That statue of ‘Arthur’ is really good… myth and man with roots in the land, the once and future king.

  • Qbird

    Why this visage?
    This expression…
    I see a worried ? fearful ? nervous? child smack in the center of this mural.
    wth?

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I see a character out of Speed Racer. That mural is so many kinds of wrong.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I’m sorry if this has already been posted but Terra Cognita has a brilliant new article at Mike Rinder’s blog about registrars – http://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-reg/

    The letter reg—who’s really not a reg at all—is one of those posts in Scientology rated just below apprentice janitor in value and importance. The grueling qualifications for the post are: a) English is not their first language, b) English is not their second language, c) English is not their third language, and d) they must not have graduated from an accredited high school.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Man, TC is on a roll. Their last post about word clearing was excellent.

    • Hey!… I had that POST. It’s the most important post in the Scam. Outflow = Inflow and all that.

      • Writing skills have evidently degraded significantly since your time.

        • Nope! I wrote the same nonsense 🙂

          • I gather that the relevant ‘statistic’ valued quantity over quality so you just scrawl something out as quickly as possible so as to stay out of trouble.

  • Missionary Kid

    I was in a used book store yesterday here in the Coachella Valley, and, because I like to support them by buying books, I asked if there was anything by LRH. None. 100 miles away from L.A., and the influence of $cientology is non-existent.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I picked up 3 copies of Dianetics and two of his pulp id never heard of at Goodwill just to take them out of circulation. At least they were recycled.

      • Missionary Kid

        I want to have a copy with next time I protest to point out in the book what a perv. LRH was, as well as all of his false claims. I’m sure it will really piss them off to have an SP reading their “scriptures” and questioning the “wisdom” they’re being fed.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I think a well worn book with lots of taped in markers will help you get to all the really bad parts. Might want to pick up 3 extra packs of page markers.

          • Missionary Kid

            Good suggestion.

  • flyonthewall

    *********Request for help and info*************

    As you may know I am reading about People’s Temple and Jim Jones. I read that Congressman Leo Ryan, who was killed in the Jonestown massacre, had a nephew in the Church of Scientology. This info is solid and reliable. I am trying to find out who this person was and what their involvement in the cult was. Congressman Ryan had 7 brothers and sisters and I think all of them had children. So finding this info I want is a challenge obviously. If anyone knows anything or has any leads please let me know. The only potential clues I found may have been at holysmokes dot com but that website is gone. 🙁 Thank you.

    eta – Sorry, it’s holysmoke.org and it is still a functioning website. Here is the link to the mention of Leo’s nephew – http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/congressman-leo-j-ryan-birthday.html (do cntrl F and search the word “nephew”). It isn’t much though. A letter from Ida Camburn mentioning that he was Leo’s favorite nephew.

    • Elegant Mess

      Oooh, I love a good history dig! I have the day off today & will see what I can find on the Congressman’s family, too. 🙂 Tho, if you are having difficulty, I might as well. I’ll keep you posted.

      • flyonthewall

        Thank you Elegant!

    • are you sure about that domain name?

      • flyonthewall

        nope, refresh for correction. Thanks Dice

    • Jimmy3

      You didn’t tell me you started reading
      Now I feel left out of the loop :

      • flyonthewall

        something must be wrong with Disqus. I keep refreshing the page but your comment is still there? Weird…

    • Kim O’Brien

      spoiler alert ….everyone dies at the end

      • flyonthewall

        srsly Kim?? i only had like 100 more pages to go too, wtf

    • sizzle8

      Vanished Nephew Started Ryan on His Fatal Crusade

      By Michael J. Hoy National Enquirer Dec. l978

      Rep. Leo Ryan the California congressman murdered in Guyana, relectlessly fought fanatic religious cults because the tragedy they brought to his own family-his youngest nephew vanished 2 1/2 years ago after becoming involved with teh Church of Scientology.

      The ENQUIRER has learned that the strange disappearance of Ryan’s nephew, Ramsay Devereaux, in may l976 was a motivating force behind his one man crusade to investigate the People’s Temple cult in Guyana.

      Driven by his anguish he still felt over the loss of his nephew, the California congressman began to dig into charges that the bizarre sect was torturing members and holding many of them against their will.

      From
      http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:kjIx5-uXvBUJ:smokyhole.org/cos/scientology-leo-j-ryan-nephew.htm+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

  • There’s almost a Moebius look to that mural.
    ..
    http://webpages.charter.net/astrozoid/longTomorrow.jpg

    • Sacrelige!

      • I should have said, the look of someone trying for a Moebius look. No one smiles in Moebius’ work.

        • I was going to object, but the latest of his I read (Mister Blueberry series) mainly has a few self satisfied smirks on the part of our hero. All stunningly beautifully drawn, of course.

          Maybe it’s like Flannery O’Connor and writing about “nice people?”

  • Vaquera

    This thought about the mural might get a rainstorm of negative comments (which I probably won’t address), but imma put it out there anyway.

    I can certainly see it’s creepy and potentially insulting. That was my initial reaction on Sunday and remains so today. Still, it’s a highly stylized piece and I venture to guess that the artist’s body of work reflects the same traits. All of her/his work probably uses simliar shading techniques and exaggerations no matter what the subject matter. I wish one of our resourceful Bunkerites could get the skinny on who created the masterpiece so we could check it out.

    Idk, just another way of considering a mildly disturbing piece of art that I don’t care for in the least.

    • jazzlover

      &#4%!*&&(^%$%E^*(()))))$!!! And I mean it this time.

    • flyonthewall

      I agree mostly. I bet it’s just a local artist they commissioned. WTH commissioned a St. Louis artist to do these custom Stop the Killing pamphlets during the Ferguson riots.

      eta – I say mostly bc I don’t see it as insulting or disturbing but that’s just me

      • Observer

        It’s butt-ugly

        • flyonthewall
          • Observer

            If I had to guess, I’d say it’s likely the majority opinion. The leprosy isn’t really that aesthetically appealing.

            • flyonthewall

              minority rules, majority drools

            • DoveAlexa

              I bet you drool in your sleep, traitor. (but I also think the mural sucks)

            • flyonthewall

              sure, the people on the right especially are just a mess. I’m just saying I don’t see the disturbing, insulting stuff

    • Maybe someone in the craft-shops at Int Base? Thus unlikely to have had any public reputation for some time past—and unless they blow—for the foreseeable future?

      • Vaquera

        I am wont to agree with fly, that CoS commissioned a local artist.

      • Observer

        That’s what I’m thinking.

      • Perhaps at that Dissemination and Distribution Center?

  • I’m sure Ken Dandar isn’t much given to making gestures like this, but I bet he’s feeling sorely tempted just now… (refreshingly sensible decisions from the Florida Supreme Court, so far):

  • So another whale got to much Scammed money they don’t want to pay tax on. So as honest people they are, they donated all that money to a “church” of their choice and got a huge kickback. Thank you, much appreciated!

  • Here’s a rare appearance by Nancy Cartwright
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pS79YP7UCw

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Is this a recent interview? That woman is so lost…

      • I know nothing about it.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Hmm…AP just posted it today with today’s date…

        • jazzlover

          How do you know it’s rare, then?

    • Silly old bag alert!

    • Observer

      “It’s called brainwashing.”
      “It’s called inarticulate.”
      “It’s called bankruptcy.”

    • Yes and you can fly.. Try out for yourself!

    • nottrue

      Oh Nancy please…

    • Eivol Ekdal

      The SMP behemoth is loose and rampaging across our media landscape.

      • StudiusJudius

        Is this the first vid released by SMP?

        • Eivol Ekdal

          Who knows where it was shot.

    • Qbird

      Okay Nancy, bless your heart.
      https://youtu.be/twRr3ygK3TM

    • hansje brinker

      “Look at me”. Well I looked and I see an empty/ non self decisive/ not grow-up/ sad sock-puppet.
      Still amazing: You pay a million dollar to sell your soul……….

    • Spackle Motion

      I met her once, a long-ass time ago…I’ll say around 1991. She was creepily friendly (told everyone within earshot that she was the voice of Bart Simpson) and drove a bright yellow car with Bart drawn all over it. My opinion of her was that she was dumber than a box of rocks.

      Any grown woman over the age of 29 that says the word “Dude” in an interview or semi-serious discussion is a moron.

    • Jimmy3

      Don’t have a cow, man
      Give us your cow

      • Better yet, ‘donate’ your cow to the CofS, then pay us to drink your own milk, too.

    • madame duran

      Both the Going Clear book and the documentary are based on official church documents, original material and first-hand testimonies of high-ranking people who are or were Scientologists for many years. What does Nancy have to show for her argument? NOTHING. She claims the book/movie is “irresponsible” but offers nothing that calls Wright/Gibney’s points into question. All she has to say is “Look at me. Look at who I am. Seriously. Look what it is that I am doing. You can’t knock me for what it is that I am doing. I am helping.” (similar to Anne Archer’s response to John Sweeney: “Do I look brainwashed to you?”).

      Nancy, in the eyes of the general public (yes, the “wogs” that you and your cult despises so much), you are the voice of a cartoon character, have contributed MILLIONS of dollars to Scientology, and bought yourself a brand new Tesla. You aren’t known for being a humanitarian. You didn’t help to build any hospitals, affordable housing, or feed the homeless with all that money. You didn’t pay for anybody’s medical treatments, build new playgrounds for underprivileged inner-city kids, or sponsor any group of refugees fleeing from wherever. You didn’t invest in battling diseases such as HIV/AIDS or polio. You didn’t build clean water wells. You didn’t create a college scholarship fund. When I look at you, I see a crazy woman who believes she’s achieved godhood. I see a person who lacks the integrity to question Scientology. I see someone who is an enabler of a destructive cult which spends its vast wealth on buildings, lawyers and private investigators instead of charity. Seriously. And what’s with the kooky title of “Royal Governess of the Valley”? What real-world relevance does that have (aside from boosting your ego)? Please, spare me the delusion of your self-importance.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Yes, Nancy; because you’re known for your investigative journalistic skills and are the very person to expose Lawrence Wright for his, like, prejudice and, like, irresponsible reporting. I’ll be heading to Freedom for my real news from now on.

    • madame duran

      This video is gold. Her eyes, her whole body language is screaming, “How dare you question me and attack my religion by giving me unpleasant facts about Scientology?”. .

      “There’s a whole administrative technology that has nothing to do with religion…it’s just how to run a business. And it’s crucial and I’m quite trained as a business person”.

      I think this statement will come in handy in the future to demonstrate Scientology’s duplicity as religion and a business (along the same line as Tommy Davis’ comment of ‘there’s no such thing as disconnection’ that ultimately backfired on him). I’m guessing Nancy is referring to WISE…which is connected to the “religious organization” known as the Church of Scientology. Where’s the proof of Cartwright’s business acumen?

    • Mockingbird

      The video shows the trap Nancy is in. As a person that lost her fiance and several fortunes to Scientology she is in too deep. Like most people she assumes she is a good person. And if a person lost their fiance and twenty or thirty million dollars to supporting a group the meaning of that group would define that person. If Scientology is bad Nancy is bad abd has been a fool wasting her life and helping to harm people through Scientology.

      I have seen that demeanor before. I knew a Scientologist that owned a successful chiropractic practice. She donated at least a half million to two million dollars to Scientology and supported her husband who joined staff.

      She couldn’t bear ANY disagreements about Scientology or her contributions or achievements.

      I didn’t understand back in 2003 that her entire life was wrapped up in the dim hope Scientology would finally pay off. She lost her fortune, a marriage and much of her sanity pursuing counterfeit dreams.

      It’s sad. She could have enjoyed her life if Scientology never came along.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    The Harlem Org parishioners who would have bad thoughts about the glass mural could be snitched on if they spoke about it. Then they would be in for a lot of hours of sec-checking just on all their critical thoughts on the glass mural. This could become a means of income for the Harlem “Ideal” Org.
    If they had only, let’s say a scribble on the wall for a piece of art, the sec-checking wouldn’t take as long, resulting in less income.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Way to go, Ken Dandar! A clever and ethical lawyer need no “Scientological” sleazyness to be successful.

  • Roger Larsson

    Why oppose $cientology? Why not buy the cult?

    • maybe because they are worthless? In my book they only entertainment value and that’s for free.

    • flyonthewall

      the cult heavy portfolio wins again!

  • Lucky they took the speech-balloons off that ghastly mural first… (refreshes very old Coronation Street joke):

  • Obviously Tony should have just asked for the tour 😛

    http://www.fox5ny.com/news/184447566-story

  • nottrue

    Stop looking at me….No you stop looking at me…..You stop first….No you first…

    • Loool

    • How do you know when your are talking to a Scientologist F5

      • He can only afford an obsolete ‘phone?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Is that you Dad? Forget about it i’ll call you!

    • Ella Raitch

      There’s an awful lot going on in the left hand side of this image

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Maybe the bald kid in the mural is supposed to be a young Curly from the Harlem Globetrotters…
    (refresh)

  • After doing their over-the-top video, I guess it would have kind-of sucked to have to move out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ujgRFmJjyE

    • No one has claimed the Ingress portal at the Dissemination and Distribution Center. Surely CoS won’t mind if someone walks into the parking lot and waves their phone around? (Hopefully it’s not a Pokemon location.)

      ..

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    ACK!

    Stacey Francis:
    “This man is responsible for helping to change the lives of millions of people. He is the Chairman of The Board of the Church of Scientology. And I had the great fortune of talking to him on last Sunday. The Church and its members are incredible. We help millions of people around the world with various social betterment programs and a technology that will blow you away.

    … I love this man. And I have met the most amazing people in my life in this Church.”
    (refresh)

    • Observer

      Ewww

    • Tony Ortega

      Could have used that for a post.

      • Mockingbird

        Don’t worry Scientology will be considerate and provide plenty of other odd and embarrassing moments to report. They give and give.

    • Observer

      Oh, he’s changed a lot of lives, all right.

      • Mockingbird

        You mean ruined utterly ?

        • Observer

          Indeed I do.

          • Mockingbird

            Hee hee. Scientology certainly changes lives, just like the final solution changed millions more.

    • Jimmy3

      “Is that a new cologne, Mr. COB? It’s… pungent…”

      “It’s NOT pigshit!!!”

      “….I said pungent. Pungent.”

      “It’s NOT pungent!!!”

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Well, she definitely got that Tom Cruise shit she wanted so bad.

    • daisy

      I thought that was a cardboard cut out. He also looks embalmed.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Sounds just like she read the script that they want the IRS and the public to hear. Yep, right out of the mouth of a scamming liar! She is most famous for her reality show fibs than anything else.”I’ve seen every inch of his …”

    • Mockingbird

      Is she a giant ? A woman that towers over me like that would have to be 6’6″ tall ! Maybe 6’4″ in heels, but that’s still really tall !

    • Mockingbird

      Caption: David Miscavige says – do leprechauns turn you on ?

    • Mockingbird

      Amazing ? Not the word I would use..maybe bullshit artist, scumbag, rat bastard, lowlife, sociopath, narcissist, scam, fraud, degenerate, abhorrent, disgusting, inhuman, …tomato sociopathic scumbag.

    • Sunny

      Was she ordered to slouch for the picture? Looks like it….

    • Why does Miscavige always look like a cardboard cutout of himself in this kind of picture?

      Is it a cardboard cutout (or a PhotoShop job) because he just doesn’t look as if he is even aware that there is someone there… and they are touching him (is that sacrilegious?)?

      There’s something distinctly off about that image…

    • Harpoona Frittata

      (Gag)…notice how Stace is all hunched over, doing her best not to appear soooo much taller than the object of her fawning adulation?

      I know, I know…it’s tough being a lil guy, but why again does the entire world need to suffer on account of that fact!?

    • that is some ugly legs

  • Observer

    Why does that one woman in the mural have a Hitler mustache?

    • Jimmy3

      That was the style back in those days
      Early ’16s were crazy

      • Observer

        Every time I look at that thing I find something else to hate about it.

        • flyonthewall

          that’s how I feel every time I look in the mirror

          • Observer

            Well, stop looking in the mirror!

            • flyonthewall

              wow, thanks! Ever think of changing your name to Observer the Wise?

            • Observer

              💩💩💩

          • Jimmy3

            Think of how the mirror feels. It doesn’t decide to come look at you.

            • flyonthewall

              you guys are really smart, this is a good group.

          • Rasha

            I once spent a really confused week looking into someone else’s mirror. WOAH! Can’t imagine how I felt when I got home!

          • Rasha

            I have a mirror that switches up and down, rather than left and right. It’s pretty cool.

            • flyonthewall

              ….

            • Rasha

              XD 😛

          • Mockingbird

            I have a face for radio.

            • flyonthewall

              ham radio even

            • Mockingbird

              And a mind for modeling.

            • flyonthewall

              f5

            • Mockingbird

              An Abbey Normal brain.

          • Fly Lady

            Well, I like to look at you.

        • Mockingbird

          A lot of people feel that way about Scientology when they leave.

          • Rasha

            Sometimes even before we arrive….

        • OOkpik

          It is awful beyond the point of being insulting.
          Like Scientology itself, there is much to hate about it.

    • DoveAlexa

      Because that’s what happens when you trace someone else’s artwork ;).

      • Snippy_X

        It looks to me like they found a stock photo or and ad photo out there somewhere and applied an emboss or trace contours type effect to it in a paint program. That’s why the shadows are so harsh. It’s really really awful and commercial, even as a small picture on the computer. As a full size mural, holy Xenu!

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Soviet era socialist realism ‘art’ inspired by a bad acid trip flashback triggered during intensive Purification Rundown saunafication.

          Can also be interpreted as the ‘artist’s’ symbolic plea for help…”Stop me before I art again”

          Of course, those are not mutually exclusive interpretations 😉

    • Hitler was transgender? molded by Aliens.

      • Mockingbird

        Ugh… I can’t tell you how many freezoners and Trump supporters post the Hitler survived WWII and went to South America story. Please provide proof. I read it at a flat earth website isn’t proof.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      And why does the child have cancer?

    • Missionary Kid

      I believe that it’s a way that the artist has depicted, either of the philtrum, the groove between the septum, which separates the nostrils and upper lip, or a shadow cast by the nose.

      Edited for clarity.

      • Observer

        I know, but it still looks like a Hitler ‘stache.

        • Missionary Kid

          Ahhh, it’s true for you. 😀

  • Mockingbird

    Does anyone think Miscavige is buying the real estate to have an asset to sell if Scientology ever needs more income for its legal battles and espionage activities ? I know the scam gives him something to show people to pretend Scientology is expanding and thriving and a way to get whales to keep donating money. Without transparency he can skim donations for one stated purpose and use them for anything.

    That has always been a key component of the Scientology bait and switch. Hubbard pretended to be a kind, humble philosopher who funded the orgs from his own vast fortune and even forgave them debts. All out of the nonexistent kindness of his black heart.

    In truth his research was mostly plagiarism and his generosity was ripping people and organizations off for hundreds of millions of dollars. What a con. No wonder people call it Scamontology.

    • It’s a money laundry scam to avoid taxes so is all the expansion and the trademarks and…
      McDonald does the same. Instead of paying taxes they expand and spend all the money on new franchises or buildings. But they don’t pay taxes you say? Nope! but the whales don’t have tax exempt and they need a place to put their money they scammed from other people, so they donate the excess money to a church and get a refund or store them in the Vaults of COS i form of gold bars. And i am only speculating, but it’s fun 🙂

      • Mockingbird

        I heard the Karen de la Carriere video were she said Miscavige studied McDonald’s for ideas. The toxic slave labor fast food “restaurant” is looked to for the toxic slave labor cult.

        Which is more harmful is a tough debate. Scientology utterly ruins people but McDonald’s has poisoned far more people and helped wage suppression to affect millions, possibly billions of people.

        Sometimes Wal-Mart and McDonald’s do things with stock buybacks that economists study. They have commented that both corporations could actually pay all their employees 15 dollars an hour and not raise prices and still make billions in profits. But they put profits over people.

        No wonder Miscavige studied them.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Wal-mart no longer does it but they’d take out life insurance on their own employee’s after studying who would die sooner. This was of course without telling their workers and when they got caught called it an “investment diversification” tool. Like $cion’s they did a pretty good job of getting it scrubbed out of the media after someone blew the whistle. Then there was the time they ask for donations so their employee’s could afford a turkey dinner. That’s why I beg of you never to shop there again. I never have because they got picketed too much in my city and relocated!

          • hmm… interesting. The disrespect for life is catching on!

          • Mockingbird

            You have a good idea. But I used to work as a vendor and go to Target, Wal-Mart and many other stores. I found out they almost all use the same practices. They treat employees terrible and in general about ninety percent of their employees are in poverty or close.

            They use prison labor, buy items made with child and slave labor. I saw lists of fifty companies that use prison labor.

            You almost can’t avoid it if you do business with large corporations.

            We need honest education about it and the right someone to give a fuck.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I do my shopping at a local co-op that compensates their employee’s with great salaries and health care, they are all owners technically. The price may be higher on some things but it helps me sleep better at night. I also try to have as least impact on my globe as possible by letting my lawn die due to a drought. I don’t eat fast food since it is horrible for your body. And yes I shower and flush only when I need, too. Far from perfect It always seems like I’m always trying to quit smoking and I have my vices. But it is amazing how much lower your bills go when you just turn the heater on to take the chill off the house. Meanwhile my neighbor’s water their opulent lawns and scoff at my backyard being turned into a retired Greyhound dirt track. One thing that I do that really cuts down on my petrol bill is wait until I have other things to do on that part of the city. Small in the big picture but I think if we all adopted these practices we’d notice how quickly the benefits would add up.

            • Mockingbird

              It’s an uphill battle. I honestly think we need to end war to have any chance to end the use of fossil fuels and possibly survive climate change. If we goof the floof on that nothing else will matter. It’s hard to get past an environment that won’t sustain humanity.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I guess my point is that if everyone did these small things that we’d quickly start to change. For instance when you save money or start to work out again you realize how quickly the results start to add up. In two years by being aware of when I use my electric dryer and just put them on a clothes line and tossing them in the last 10 minutes to remove the lint, I’ve cut my gas/electric bill by 2/3 rds. I went through (plastic surgery) and cut up my credit cards keeping one for emergencies, my impulse spending has saved me 2300$ on average in interest charges in one year. I froze another high limit card in case I have a dog emergency. What’s funny is my excellent credit went down because I don’t use them enough. WTF? American Express suggested that to get my score back up i finance a new car since they have low rates now. I’d never finance something that depreciates around 17% the day you drive it off the lot. So you are punished for not getting yourself into debt. WTF?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I would take my stuff to Salvation Army until I learned they are a cult, too. People on parole are threatened if they don’t do their work properly and for far less than minnimum salary they’ll be reported and sent back to prison. Now all goes to my local AIDS charity.

            • Mockingbird

              Regarding the Salvation Army I saw literature they have and realized they are a religious group with very specific doctrine. Their anti gay stance has turned off a lot of people.

    • I’m with you. That, and donations to the IAS (which is off-shore) being some weird tax avoidance scam on the part of the whales. But I could be wrong and the Duggans and others could be that, ehrm, financially dim. (I never knew about the Cardones…)

    • Kestrel

      If $cientology needs money for legal battles and espionage activities, nothing beats cash. Trying to sell the real estate takes time and if you’re in a hurry to sell, you might have to sell at a loss. Borrowing against the real estate also takes time and you don’t get the real estate’s full value in a loan.

      Any income they get from their buildings comes from within – either their own entities or their own believers. I guess they could rent space to outsiders, but that has its own issues.

  • nottrue

    Church questions…..

    • Rasha

      So, if you answer “yes” to any or all, then they have the tech to correct it, because they know that the answer should be “no” to those, and if you answer “no” to any or all of them, then they know you have issues, and have the tech to correct that, right?

    • Missionary Kid

      Shit, everything sold by Co$ is, in essence, the opposite of being bought on credit. There’s no refund for shitty service, and no-one’s fault but yours if you don’t achieve anything, as is usual.

  • Mockingbird

    Regarding Stacy Francis, you might already know that several threads at WWP and ESMB have described her as a long time Scientologist hiding her past. At WWP this list of service completions is posted:

    I need more money to do more courses!
    Wah!!!!
    Stacy Francis PERSONAL VALUES & INTEGRITY COURSE Celebrity 351 2003-09-01
    Stacy Francis HUBBARD DIANETICS SEMINAR Celebrity 351 2003-09-01
    Stacy Francis PURIFICATION RUNDOWN Celebrity 353 2003-12-01
    Stacy Francis OBJECTIVES Celebrity 357 2004-04-01
    Stacy Francis OVERCOMING UPS AND DOWNS IN LIFE COURSE Celebrity 357 2004-04-01
    Stacy Francis TRS & OBJECTIVES CO-AUDIT COURSE Celebrity 359 2004-07-01
    Stacy Francis HOW TO IMPROVE CONDITIONS IN LIFE COURSE Celebrity 359 2004-07-01
    Stacy Francis BASIC STUDY MANUAL Celebrity 359 2004-07-01
    Stacy Francis SPECIAL COURSE IN HUMAN EVALUATION Celebrity 361 2004-10-01
    Stacy Francis ROUTE TO INFINITY COURSE Freewinds 54 2004-10-01
    Stacy Francis KEY TO LIFE COURSE Freewinds 59 2005-09-01
    Stacy Francis KEY TO LIFE COURSE Freewinds 60 2005-11-01
    Stacy Francis HAVINGNESS RUNDOWN AUDITING Source 187 2007-01-01
    Stacy Francis SUCCESS CONGRESS COURSE Freewinds 67 2007-03-01
    Stacy Francis STATE OF MAN CONGRESS COURSE Freewinds 68 2007-06-01
    Stacy Francis SCIENTOLOGY 8-80 COURSE Freewinds 76 2010-02-01
    Stacy Francis SCIENTOLOGY 8-8008 COURSE Freewinds 76 2010-02-01

  • Observer

    Or maybe it’s the constant attention seeking and all those hashtags.

    F5

    • Rasha

      Is this a coupon?

      • Observer

        *guffaw*

      • jazzlover

        Yes, for a free download of this:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRLFAqYAZ_o

        • Rasha

          (dancing awkwardly but with gusto about the office, bluetooth headphones cranked to 11…..)

          • jazzlover

            Don’t hurt yourself, Rasha 😉 The Police were the bomb way back when (something Joy will never experience).

            • Rasha

              Oh, they still are…… ^_^

    • jazzlover

      Chick’s a trip, that’s fer sure.

    • madame duran

      SPs are super awesome. That’s why Scientologists avoid us.

    • Rasha

      “Yeah, you’re just JEALOUS! That’s all! Nyah nyah!! 😛 “

    • Mockingbird

      Is that a Scientology thing ?

      • Observer

        Not exclusively

    • nottrue

      Could be your breath..

    • Vaquera

      I’m really sorry to do this, but an evil theten has taken over my tablet.
      Joy Villa was recently in a bikini body building competition.

      *****Fair Warning. Eye Bleach may be required.****** f5
      (Then again, I wish I was so healthy)

      • Jimmy3

        She made that bikini herself from construction tarp she found
        Butt all joking aside, she is what I would call “in good shape”

        That Juvenile song started playing in my head

        • Vaquera

          What song? (she asks, showing her age.)

      • Observer

        🙄.

      • flyonthewall

        grody to the max

      • What if i told you all… Beauty comes from the inside?

        • Vaquera

          All would agree with you.

      • Observer

        She is beautiful, but i can tell you from experience that being around people who have to always be the center of attention is exhausting.

      • Newiga

        Well, you need more than running around a pole or the purif to do that….

        • Vaquera

          Ahhh, that’s where I went wrong.

          • Newiga

            LOL!!!

        • daisy

          I am fairly certain she is familiar with pole work of a sort.

          • Ella Raitch

            You’re a bitch Daisy….I love it when I sit next to you

        • Baby

          Weigie.. I saw your picture.. You are absolutely adorable..It looks like you guys were having a blast.. It is always fun when Bunkeroos get together. I was so jealous.. but my days of international travel are over.

          I will live vicariously through all of you.. xo baby

          • Newiga

            Awww! Thanks, Baby! xxoo I was asking about you from people who’ve met you and told them that I’d love to meet you. Everyone said that you are amazing!

            • Baby

              Awwwwwwwwwww… that was so sweet of you to tell me that.. thanks honi..

              ( Were they drunk..hahahha) One day we will meet Weigie.. I’m sure of it..xo

      • Mymy88

        All That Jazz (Todrick Hall)… Explicit? I guess so.

        I’m pretty sure I saw Johnny Tank in this video a few times here and there lol. Now we know what he does on the side lol. This is probably at least rated R, I guess. Be warned.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2sF1ciR4D4

        • Vaquera

          As a Fossi fan, I have to say that was a fab video. Thanks.
          I had no idea Mr. Tank was so coordinated.

          • Mymy88

            LOL If you got it, flaunt it.

      • Ella Raitch

        Muscular build does not necessarily mean healthy

    • UhLasare

      Don’t know about the rest of you, but I enjoy being around awesome, authentic and real people.

      • Observer

        You already are! 😀

    • According to LRH; People avoid you because your are one nasty ethic particle that is full of overts and BT’s AND only He can cure you from THAT! It’s not because you are Awesome! Who told her that?

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Umm, let me hazard a guess, Joy. Do you think it might be because you’ve aligned yourself with, and are seen to be fronting for, an evil cult of greed that has caused untold misery to tens of thousands and that wants to bankrupt you and everyone you know as well?

      Not that awesome, huh?

    • Newiga

      Is that from some kind for FB personality test? *gasps* Other practices!!!

    • Missionary Kid

      They avoid you because you’re a Kool-Aid drinking $cientologist.

    • daisy

      Aww she is one of those creatures whose mother told her all the other girls were jealous of her beauty. She forgot to develop a personality and joined a cult instead. Bless her heart.

    • Ella Raitch

      Or you’re an asshole with a 100 yard stare

  • Mockingbird

    If those services are accurate, then someone spent a fortune on courses for Stacy Francis. I see at least twenty to thirty grand in services there.

    • Observer

      Deleted – irrelevant

      • Mockingbird

        I didn’t think I was irrelevant. 🙁

        • Observer

          The timeframe was all wrong

  • Jgg2012

    Let’s see. Scientology’s lawyers have an illegal, ex parte hearing with the judge. The judge holds a closed door hearing. One year later, he issues a $1million judgment, with no explanation. The appeals court vacates it. Now, the judge vacates his original ruling. Strange.

    • OOkpik

      Yes, it smells like a burning fuse, doesn’t it?

      • Jgg2012

        Yes, or a smoking gun…

    • grundoon

      The cult’s check bounced?

      • Jgg2012

        Maybe. They once paid a man named Cipriano a lot of money to make false claims about Graham Berry. When they stopped paying him, however, he retracted his claims. Then, when Moxon started paying him again, he retracted his retraction. You get the idea.

  • MaxSpaceman

    In 1981 Ron Hubbard made a “New Rule” cuz Scn members on Oatee 3 werer going on and on and on and endlessly auditing the level.

    Ron didn’t like that. He ordered all of Scn that Oatee 3 would be “shunted” over to Nots if they were dallying.

    For educational purposes, subject: Religion: Fair Use

    OT III AND OT III ATTEST
    This issue changes the
    current handling of OT III and OT III attests and the next step after OT III.
    We want to end off “endless IIIs”. Starting now, AO C/Ses are to handle
    PreOTs on OT III as follows:

    — Let the person audit on OT III as long as he wishes. But at the first slackening
    or abandonment or EP, or if he is just going on and on into”endless III”, look for a nice win
    and tell him– that’s it.

    And shunt him over to Audited NOTs.

    • Because too much insanity stops the cash flow.

      • ze moo

        They were hiding from more cash flowing out of them. ‘Dawdling’ means not paying more in Lron’s universe.

    • grundoon

      No nonsense about any “ability gained” on OT III… no nonsense about BTs… just “look for a nice win and tell him– that’s it.”

      • MaxSpaceman

        too funny, right?

        You can’t make this sh1t up !!!

  • Here in Northern Greater Toronto, we have to resort to extreme measures to get the tomatoes ripe before winter returns:
    ..

    • you need to put them on the meter!

      • aquaclara

        ^^^^^winner, winner chicken dinner.

    • ze moo

      Awwwwm you planted flowers to keep the Tomatoes company!

      • They’re supposed to help keep pests away.

        • yeah but your tomatoes is green of envy!

        • Vaquera

          I thought the point is that you’re spiking them with Mountain Dew.
          What? Jolt Cola wasn’t available? 🙂

          • I should have used Brawndo. It’s got what plants crave!

    • aquaclara

      Gorgeous flowers, my friend. Are you feeding your tomato plants Sprite, or is that just a watering device?

      • Watering experiment. The gizmo on the end meant to water house plants over a week, so I’ll still have to water every day. It’s a thirsty tomato!

    • Justmeteehee

      Nice in the western GTA mine are coming along nicely, peppers too.

    • Narapoid
  • ron_burgundy8957

    Ken should think about suing them for filing a frivalous motion.

    Bridge Pub in Sci hands. Justifiable purchase but I think a Cruise Ship would be better lol.

    • StudiusJudius

      Yeah, because 19 years of legal wrangling with the CoS isn’t enough.

      • ron_burgundy8957

        studius, they never leave you alone.

  • nottrue

    … Huh….

    • TexasBroad

      Owner of ungoogle (dot) org? A company that scrubs search results. Do NOT make the mistake of typing ungoogle (dot) com, which made my screen start flashing and a buzzing alarm sound in my business over my wifi. WTF. My IT guy hates me.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Clearly, the camera caught this fine fellow in the act of postulating something immense! (notice the very nice touch of positioning his necklace’s cross in the middle of his t-shirt’s “O”…very, very OaTy! Thetastic!)

    • Hmmm he’s kind good looking. Does he need residency?

  • Observer

    OT: When I took Observerhund out earlier I noticed some tiny toadstools–and by tiny, I mean the biggest one was less than an inch high. I decided to mess with some macro photography, so after work I went out and slithered around on the ground with my camera. These are the results. Not much depth of field, but I think they came out pretty well. I put a water drop on one just to see what it would look like.

    F5

    • Vaquera

      Wow.

    • Kim O’Brien

      reminds me of those fairey photos 😉 …so pretty

    • flyonthewall

      going past a patch of mushrooms one day with the kids and a conversation starts about the different kinds ie poisonous, yummy, hallucinogen etc. Me – “Well, some mushrooms if you eat them make you see and hear things that aren’t there, make you feel funny. Oldest son – “Oh I want to try those!” Me – *smile*

      • Rasha

        “…it’s like, a whole mycocosm, man….”

        • Am I the only one that sees what you did there?

          • Rasha

            ^_^

            • I always considered you a fun guy/gal.

    • Justmeteehee

      Gorgeous macros, the first is really stellar.

      • flyonthewall

        “macros” That reminds me of a cool documentary type film called Microcosmos. All about the insect world, filmed with extreme closeups so that everything looks huge.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Neat photos, but where are the smurfs?

      • Observer

        We sprayed for them.

    • Baby

      Obs.. Wow.. that water drop on that teeny mushroom went straight to my heart.. The others are beautiful.. but brought up such childhood memories.

      My twin Jude and I had such active imaginations that we would look for fairies by the hour.. My mom gave us Magnifying glasses ( smart mom) and we would have the run of the neighborhood ..and would run from yard to yard giggling and

      one of our neighbors said ( we were like 4) ” Girls I saw a couple playing in the garden in the back..” and off we went.. We were the ” Fairy Hunters..” So thank you for evoking such a beautiful childhood memory!

    • TexasBroad

      So beautiful Obs!

    • Macro is fun, and those are good pictures.

      The only way around the problem of tiny depth of field is to use flash (preferably a shadowless ringflash) to enable you to select the smallest possible lens aperture at all times.

      If you go for extension tubes (an accessory that enables you to go even closer) this is pretty much essential because the depth of field is even smaller – but you can take pictures of ants.

      If you go for that, buy a UV filter to protect your lens, too. You can get so close that it’s very easy to bump the front element up against your subject as you move the camera millimetres in and out to focus!

    • Rasha

      Art is made of muddy knees and elbows. ^_^

    • Rasha

      Spotting the little scenarios that happen between blades of grass is what keeps some of us always lagging behind the others, but later, when they say, “Where did you get THAT pic?”, it’s so fun to say, “How did you even MISS it???”

      • Observer

        I am one of those

        • Rasha

          I am always falling behind…. Even if I get nothing, it’s fun to try…

    • Gorgeous photos! You obviously took the L. Ron Hubbard course in photography.

      • Observer

        But of course!

        • How did you make fungi look so cute?

          • Observer

            They’re naturally cute. Not as cute as that tiny octopus though.

            • Oh my god that thing made me want to die. It was so tiny and so cute!

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              That’s what he/she said!!!
              (Sorry the kid in me couldn’t resist when I saw this out of context!!! 😋)

            • OMG I LOVE TINY OCTOPI

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
  • Kim O’Brien

    I always come back to the point where i remember that scientologists think that they can have super powers and be better than everyone else . I just watched the Polite video right down thread . He just nails it .

    Scientology is un- American . Anyone who STILL believes in the tone scale …is just a racist homophobic piece of shit . I hope Marty goes back to the cult …i hope all of his little indie freaks …just go back to the cult and stay forever . Monique …if you have not left him …oh well , you made your choice . Hope you don’t end up like Annie

    • Narapoid

      Yow!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Umm, I’m all for freedom of speech (especially if your name is Khan and you’re talking about The Donald), but I’m not sure that hoping that anyone “goes back to the cult” is a constructive thing to do.

      Just my 2 cents.

      • Kim O’Brien

        whatever . if what we get out here in the ” wog ” world ..is a fucking POS sociopath …then i say .. go the fuck back . Out here in the real world … we have real world problems , real world families , real world joy , real world bills , real world life . Either get on board , get out of the way , or go the fuck back .

        • Harpoona Frittata

          So, do you think Marty is a “fucking POS sociopath” and therefore should “go the fuck back,” or were you just blowing off steam and waxing hyperbolic there?

          I don’t have any depth of background on what Marty’s done or not done since exiting; I’m just aware of the kind of atrocities that he was involved in while in. I’ve read his blog some and I also read his recent hyperventilating about being branded by the “ASC” as insane, but didn’t really follow his reasoning in arriving at that conclusion.

          I tend to focus on efforts to cut the legs out from under the cult, instead of following internecine conflict and gossip (not to imply that characterizes you or, for that matter, Marty either).

          • Todd Tomorrow

            ASC?

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Marty’s term for what he’s described as the Anti $cn Community.

    • I still don’t know what the motherfucking story is behind all of this. It makes no sense to me. One day Marty drops his lawsuit and the next he is trashing Tony. Dafuq bruh

      • It’s the good old argument Atheist vs. Theist

        • No.I don’t think that’s it.

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        I’m with you – I didn’t check comments for a few days and the whole world seemed to have imploded and I still feel like I have NO idea what happened there. Esp the degree of venom coming from the middle path and its hardcore followers!

  • angela73

    Over on USA Today, her royal a$$wipe has a video up defending Scamotology and slamming Going cCear, she spounds like a 12 year old and actually uses the word dude. There is no way she watched the movie, she also recommends going to Scamotology websites to “get the truth”.

    • flyonthewall

      Shorpy posted a link to it earlier. Is an Assoc Press piece. Looks kinda like a puff piece for SMP except the Cartwright/Going Clear bits made it come off very weird and disjointed

    • it’s paid advertising

    • Look at Nancy Cartwright doing ads for the film and book ‘Going Clear’! At least that’s what it seems like. Sure hope her ethics officer doesn’t find out.

  • aquaclara

    Scientology’s filing in this case made no sense. Dandar’s did, but holy moly, this is a complicated case. The motion to dismiss was the best.
    Dandar is very smart. Luckily, Scientology is not.

  • salin

    Been off the computer all day. Doing a quick scan of some other blogs I read I found this item on Sherrif Lee Bacca. ThinkProgress has an item titled: “Sheriff Who Oversaw ‘Savage Gang of Deputies’ Hopes Alzhiemers Will Keep Him from Prison” – If this has already been discussed here, forgive me for posting a repeat.

    http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/08/02/3804468/lee-baca-los-angeles-sheriff-scandal-trial/

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
  • Mymy88

    Yuck. I’m still reeling. Massive amounts of eye and ear bleach mandatory. Sorry if this has been posted already.
    ETA: Ooops, I just noticed this link was posted here a couple hours ago.
    CAUTION: I guess this is a scientology owned online newspaper or whatever it is.

    http://pilotonline.com/news/media/videos/simpsons-actress-cartwright-defends-scientology/youtube_2bb02719-481c-5395-ae11-d8e0c77c1682.html

    ETA: I just found the Youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f50uFoMlZqo

    • Mymy88

      Sorry, I just saw this was already posted Angela73 a couple hours ago. (Cartwright link)

      • np.. can’t be repeated enough

    • Rasha

      “Dude, it’s like, you gotta be kidding me….”

      “Shame on them, anyway, and the truth is…..” (spews URL).

      Quite convincing. So… this is SuMP? At least there were a couple of helicopter/drone shots. Take out the “dum-dum-da-da-da-DUMP” musical clichés, and also that scary lady with no eyebrows, and you can make a nice landscape documentary….

      • Mymy88

        “Dude, it’s like, you gotta be kidding me….” That’s exactly where this started happening to me…

      • ha ha!… Universal Resource Location

        • Rasha

          …ble….brrb….UUUURRRRRLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!! (splash)

          • DOT COM

            • Rasha

              HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    • daisy

      You are helping . Helping me feel better about MY choices.

      • Mymy88

        “Look at me. Look at who I am. I mean seriously. I am helping.”

        WTF? Helping? Doing what? Who talks like that (besides the Donald).

  • The reason Scientologist pisses of everybody around them, is because it will prove and justify LRH’s idea that you have a Reactive mind and they don’t

    • Rasha

      All boils down to schoolyard bullyism.

      Bully: poke poke poke poke hit poke poke poke
      Victim: KNOCK IT OFF!
      Bully: Wha-? Whoa! What was THAT for? You got a PROBLEM. Take it easy! What’s your problem, anyway? Jeeze! You guys see this? Attacked me for no reason!…..

      • yes…it’s that simple.

      • I’m not stalking you by the way, but your comment made me think of the scene in “Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas” (which I cite frequently for this very reason) where the brown buffalo has pulled a large hand gun on Hunter, and when Hunter pulls out a pepper-spray, he responds:

        “You’d mace me man?”

        Like it wouldn’t be a reasonable response.

        This is the behavior of the emotionally ill.

        • Rasha

          I have not read/seen it, but I find Thompson’s life very interesting. I should look into it. I think he had a very acute perspective into …. different mindsets.

          I just have so much anime to catch up on!!!! (I will watch it, though)

          • Notice I didn’t ask you to watch it.
            I hate that. Its an unbearable burden.
            But I hope I described the scene well enough for you to get my point.
            The narcissist is always right.

            • Rasha

              Haha!! No, I have meant to watch it. And yes, I totally get the point. It takes some effort to recognize such a shift of perception. In one extreme, it leads to comedy, in the other, to concern. In between ….. Gonzo journalism, I s’pose?

            • daisy

              Gonzo yeah that is the name of the doc. I so enjoy our chats.

          • daisy

            I am not sure what the name of the documentary on Netflix is but it is another excellent Alex Gibney doc. Just put Gibney into search and it should come up. Oh and it is about Hunter S. Thompson. Oh and the Wednesday remark, genius.

            • Rasha

              ^_^ Silly.

      • MissCandle

        Quit writing about boils. Reminds me of lrh’s forehead.

  • This woman gets it . And until more realize it, we might have another mentally ill president.
    Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I believe it may not be in the current DSM, but its a thing.
    I’ve had shrinks tell me there is an unwritten rule that they will only take a limited number of these patients because they are so resistant to treatment.
    The good news, politically, is that if you are aware of the diagnosis you can use it to your advantage.

    “Congresswoman says Trump needs a psych evaluation

    Bass also argued Trump suffers from narcissistic personality disorder and outlined the symptoms one by one.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/08/03/congresswoman-says-trump-needs-a-psych-evaluation/

    “Bass said, “I have a health care background. I haven’t been in health care for a number of years, but I have been shocked that the health care community is not raising the alarms. All I’m saying is that if you Google the definition of narcissistic personality disorder — you really only need to meet half of the criteria — every single item on the criteria to make this diagnosis is a perfect description of Donald Trump.”
    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/08/03/dem-rep-bass/

    Its real.

    • flyonthewall

      By “another mentally ill President” you must be referring to Taft. Am I right?

      • Certainly.
        But not exclusively.
        Yeah, Taft, what a whack job.

      • Franklin Adams

        John Adams was pretty mentally ill himself also, most likely bi-polar which still runs through the family to this day.

        • flyonthewall

          Jeffersonian Republican smear attacks and rumor mongering! I will have none of it good sir

      • Rasha

        Ha! Not to mention President Cyril Blaise Avinir, who once — oh, wait. That hasn’t happened y– I mean…. HAHAHAHA!!!! Wow! Just kidding!! Carry on— LOOK, a bird!!!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Yep, and Trump ticks off the entire list:

      “DSM-5 criteria for narcissistic personality disorder include these features:

      Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance

      Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it

      Exaggerating your achievements and talents

      Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate

      Believing that you are superior and can only be understood by or associate with equally special people

      Requiring constant admiration

      Having a sense of entitlement

      Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations”

      Taking advantage of others to get what you want

      Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others

      Being envious of others and believing others envy you

      Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner

    • Mockingbird

      Well, I have studied narcissism and sociopaths to understand Ron Hubbard and the relationships he used in Scientology. I very early on realized that Donald Trump displays behavior and a demeanor as similar to Hubbard as I have ever seen. I examined Hubbard and his life and doctrine for many countless hours. Similarly the media provided Trump with an estimated two billion dollars worth of free coverage. I saw contradictions in his live statements at the republican debates and found his many decades of racist, sexist, selfish, arrogant, cruel and inhumane behavior to be ample proof he is a narcissist. Daniel Shaw wrote Traumatic Narcissism about cult leaders and abusers.

      Doctor Shaw sees a traumatic narcissist as a kind of malignant narcissist that uses trauma to confuse, control and destroy other people. He has exactly described Donald Trump. Similarly Steve Hassan has described Trump as a narcissist. Honestly at this point literally dozens of doctors have stepped forward to say Trump has narcissistic and sociopathic qualities.

      I see the condition as one that can escalate and collapse. A sign of severe narcissism is constant projection in the form of personal attacks. Trump has that as his first nature now. He usually starts every presentation or conversation with dozens of personal attacks with no regard for honesty. He projects his own actions onto others relentlessly and denies his contradictions, sometimes moments after making them.

      He could descend into florid schizophrenia if his efforts to control others fail. As president he wouldn’t be able to lie, insult and bully his way to dominance. One deal that falls apart or one policy that can’t be initiated could push him over the edge. Protesters ? They can discover that indefinite detention without trial is unpleasant.

      He would certainly use fair game.

      There are encyclopedias of verifiable evidence he is a cruel person with no compassion and less humility. His pathological lying is the sign of a very unhealthy mind.

      To say he could destroy mankind with nuclear weapons is not at all an exaggeration. There’s perhaps a fifty fifty chance he would.

      • chukicita

        He only got “earned” media coverage because he kept saying and doing outrageous things. We need to rethink what earns our attention.

        • Mockingbird

          I think the media just wanted ratings and frankly didn’t worry about how. Both the media and republican party should have said he was entirely unacceptable from the beginning. The republicans could have rejected him as a candidate. If he was an independent and didn’t buy time on TV he never would’ve gotten all the free media and the followers that brought him. If he got the same media coverage as Jill Stein and Gary Johnson he would not be an issue.

          • chukicita

            I don’t think the media had any kind of ulterior motive – they were just being the media, and he played them like a violin.

      • Thanks for the thoughtful comment.
        “… literally dozens of doctors have stepped forward to say Trump has narcissistic and sociopathic qualities.”
        Not sure why this hasn’t gotten any traction.
        Or why the Republican Party seemed and seems clueless about it.
        He has said directly that he isn’t going to change, which he’s incapable of anyway, and everyone keeps saying they’re waiting for him to change.
        Although its rather amusing to watch, I’d really prefer not having to worry about the possibility that he could be elected.
        “I see the condition as one that can escalate and collapse.”
        Agree.
        Hopefully he’ll have a shit fit and take his ball and go home.

        • Mockingbird

          There have been many stories on this. Lawrence O’Donnell has had on people to state this. If you google Donald Trump narcissist lots of stories show up and even a book or two.

          I informed people many months ago and they honestly either already don’t support him or don’t get it. Several have used logical fallacies to brush it off. They say things like “you have to be narcissistic to be a politician” or “I am sure Hillary Clinton blah, blah, blah”.

          They just don’t get the point.

    • Robert Eckert

      John Boehner is happier than ever about his decision to retire:
      https://twitter.com/hillhulse/status/760668631923499008

  • Anyone who was ever curious about Dianetics and Clear, should watch LIMITLESS, movie and the Netflix show.

    This is what Hubbard wanted to achieve, but never did.
    This is what every scientologist think they will attain, but never do.

    • Thanks.. needed something to watch

    • Vaquera

      Right after I watch Netflix’s Talluah…starting in three, two, one…….

      eta: 2 hours later after viewing….meh.

      • Ella Raitch

        Tallulah = meh? That looked interesting.

        • Vaquera

          Yeh. I had high hopes because it stars Page and Janney. It’s slow, predictable with Page as a homeless Jesus character who makes everyone else appreciate the life they initially think they hate. Meh.

          All ties up in a nice little bow.

          • Ella Raitch

            Yikes….that last part is a real fingers down the throat. I hate obvious moralising.

      • chukicita

        Has anyone seen Bloodline?

        • Vaquera

          I tried a couple of episodes last season because I have a crush on Coach Taylor. Other stuff was going on at the same time so I couldn’t really pay attention and finally gave up. Guess I should revisit it. I think it takes several episodes to truly get the lay of the land.

        • Ella Raitch

          I keep looking at to watch it. Australian Ben Mendelsohn is a fabulous actor.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          yes, the first season.

    • Mockingbird

      Do you know people in Russia by any chance ?

      • Of course. Why?

        • Mockingbird

          Lately I have gotten a huge uptick in attention from Russia at my blog but don’t know why.

          • Dunno either.

          • Franklin Adams

            The Russians must like you. Or they really hate you. Or your blog’s being used for something, erm, “nefarious”.

            You may want to check your drafts for the blog and your email account and see if there’s anything written in Cyrillic that keeps getting edited and saved a few times a day, but never posted and not by you. If there is, don’t bother with it, just delete it and change your password to something strong. Because if there is something, even if you translate it, its been encrypted with a one-time-pad and will look like gibberish.

            Old dark arts trick there. Used to be they’d use email accounts and just save drafts. SVR and the Chinese do it, so do the North Koreans and some of the members of the Five Eyes. Its free, can’t be easily intercepted, and usually the providers have no way of knowing.

    • Rasha

      Under the Dog just came out. I’ve been waiting for that, so I’ll check it out afterwards! ^_^

    • Mockingbird

      Stuff like that just inspires Scientologists. They latch onto movies like the Matrix and believe they prove Scientology is authentic.

      • May be at first, but not after all the training and auditing and realizing they are not even close.
        Eta: they better start looking for some NZT. Or just start living life again.

        • Mockingbird

          Ha. Many never realize they aren’t even close. Look at poor Nancy Cartwright. She has spent perhaps twenty million dollars chasing a piece of blue sky. She admits to seeking Godhood through donations.

  • Trump planning to speak at Detroit Economic Club Monday
    http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/08/03/trump-detroit-economic-club/88037028/
    Just blocks from the Detroit Ideal Org.
    Two turds with one stone?
    Heh, heh.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Breaking News
    Thursday, August 4th, 2016
    Los Angeles

    ((($))) “Such A Lie, Dude” – SuMP Releases Tsunami Nancy
    Underground Shelter Sales Explode
    with our dermatology correspondents S. Kin and P. Soriasis

    Nancy Cartwright, the voice of Bart Simpson, stars in SuMP’s
    slick production with obligatory drone-shots featured on yesterday’s USA Today.
    “Look at me, I mean, look at me” she said in a devastatingly logical
    evidence-backed rebuttal of Pulitzer Prize winner Lawrence Wright’s
    “Going Clear” and Alex Gibney’s Emmy-winning documentary based on it.
    Over 9 million people have seen “Going Clear” and the fallout for $cientology
    has been horrendous.
    Based on this ((($))) SuMP release, things will not get much better soon.
    Mz. Cartwright is a celebrated voice-actress for a reason.
    She has the screen magnetism of an erased 8″ floppy disk and the
    ex tempore speaking skills of someone stumbling with a new language
    (which she is, English being rarely spoken by $cientologists, dude.)

    “Look at me”?
    I did.
    Oh, dear.

    ((($))) SuMP, Rupert Murdoch is trembling in his boxer shorts.
    Thank Xenu, he has Jerry Hall to comfort him.
    Those Texas women 🙂

    In other news, Donald Trump has refused to endorse Donald Trump.

    Weather Report for Hemet:
    Cloudy with a chance of limp ash and whisky

    • No one asks the right follow-up questions.
      No one asks follow-up questions.

    • jazzlover

      I’m sure E. C. Zema is itchin’ to report on a similar Krusty fronted testimonial.

    • TexasBroad

      Disqus is ridisqusulous! Disqus-ting! My clumsy fingers accidentally downvoted you and I immediately corrected that by upvoting you but every time I refresh, it shows my downvote. In the immortal words of our beloved Baby – PFFFFTTT, DISQUS!!
      Many upvotes!! And a question, if you know… is this the first SuMP production?

      • Rasha

        Hear ya! And it ain’t your fingers, this thing just jumps around wherever…..

        • Kay

          It is driving me nuts as well…the screen jumps around, I can’t upvote where I want, it’s so annoying.

  • sizzle8

    reminds me of

    • Rasha

      The Yellow Kid? Yep! I believe that’s the ultimate context, really.

  • Jimmy3

    I’d like to propose a new Bunker rule: If you are really attractive, you have to tell us. No more being good looking in secret.

    • Rasha

      Ok!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Dammit. There goes my cover.

    • TexasBroad

      You didn’t call her out specifically, but Newiga is so lovely she should have warned us!

      • Newiga

        I’m blushing here, Broad. Thank you! xxoo

    • Eivol Ekdal

      My mother says I am handsome.

    • Franklin Adams

      Definitely not I, I fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch going down.

    • daisy

      I AM HOT !!! Weegee is a troll next to me.

    • TexasBroad

      I have a good personality.

      • daisy

        I remember once in my vain years losing quite a bit of weight still not getting dates and coming to the sad conclusion that indeed my personality was not all that good. Edited to add- that was in my 20*s I am delightful now.

        • TexasBroad

          OR
          — you were only meeting gentleman with immature and/or stunted abilities in recognizing true quality.
          — you were only meeting assholes
          — your personality is indeed not that good.
          — all of the above

          I wavered between # 1 and 2 and circled #1. Disregarded #3 and 4 immediately.

      • Baby

        I’m a great dancer Broad.. xo

    • Vaquera

      If anyone wants to fall into Jimmy’s limpid eyes…..get in line behind me.

      • Baby

        He’s my Grandson’s age Texas.. but I still upvoted for the younger me years ago..

      • Juicer77

        A bit young for me, but I’m totally a sucker for those dark, dark eyes.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      I’m ugly, fat, short, wear glasses, am a crazy cat lady and don’t have a good personality.
      So there is no chance of me being good looking in secret…

      So any single bunker guys looking for a great catch? 🙂

      • daisy

        I would stop using that profile at E- harmony but you are totally my type. How do you feel about dating girls?

        • TheMirrorThetan

          I dont know, I have never tried it. 🙂

          • daisy

            Me either, but I think we could make it.

            • TheMirrorThetan

              LOL.

      • Juicer77

        “I’m petite, have lush lips and sexy spectacles. Potential must love cats and know exactly where to scritch them. Good sense of humor required.” There, FIFY. xoxo 😉

        • TheMirrorThetan

          Haha. Good One. You are very good at softening the hard truth 🙂
          If I ever need a code name it is gonna be “Sexy Spectacles”.

          • Juicer77

            Use it, and own it, girl!! 😉

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I’m a total sea hag Jimmy. Sorry. 😀

    • Fly Lady

      I have a very strong magnetic field, so I am really attractive, but I do wear prescription glasses… so I’m not “good at looking”… not sure how to respond here…

  • Kay

    That mural……..is just horrible. I’m no artist or critic, but it doesn’t even look like it was done by an African American artist. I find it cartoonish, superficial, lacking in any artistic merit and in bad taste. That’s just my subjective opinion of course. It bothers me.

    • Rasha

      What??? What’s wrong with…. I mean, why isn’t this considered… what would….. Yeah…. This is… disturbing..

      • Rasha

        “Hi! Yeah, slight accident at the gold-melting furnace, but it’s all good! Hahaha!”

      • Juicer77

        I’m guessing the artist’s choices are supposed to look “normal” from a distance and along with the larger mural itself. But no matter how hard I squint… nope. Still looks really odd.

    • It’s made by an Con Artist

  • Couch_Incident

    Sort of off topic: Anyone else seen the Season 3 reboot of “The (Increasingly) Poor Decisions of Todd Margaret” on Netflix? Based on Google, Mockingbird briefly mentioned it back in January.

    There’s a parody of Scientology (mixed with Heaven’s Gate and Mormonism) in which Will Arnett’s character joins the cult and has to pay, with embezzled funds, to reach higher levels including “Clear.” Their recruitment tool is “The Official Oxford Standardised Pre-Destined Tonality Chart.”

    • “Tonality Chart” – nice touch!

      • The bridge to total Tonality LOL!

    • Missionary Kid

      Tonality is off-key as far as I’m concerned. 😛

  • chukicita

    OT, but not really. And anyway, it’s John Cleese, introducing the new Church of JC Capitalist.
    Sound like someone we know?

    https://youtu.be/c3NF349aEHM

  • Tony is right. That picture is mildly disturbing F5

  • willloomis

    Poor Ken, I got in a lawsuit with Universal Music Group after they stole one of my songs and I had to go through the same B.S. of dishonest lawyers with an endless war chest. I filed the suit in 2012 and its still going, its now in the appeals process.

  • Supper Powers

    Fly, I need St Lou pizza recommendations. And not Imo’s with that weird play doh cheese. Thank you in advance.

    • TexasBroad

      Imo’s was my first job, and remains my first meal on every visit home. Don’t disrespect the Imo’s.

      • Supper Powers

        It’s not disrespect. It’s disgust.

        • TexasBroad

          🙂
          I loved it so much I once had it shipped to Texas.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Was the sage in bloom?

          • Juicer77

            It’s ok. People say the same thing about Old Bay. It goes with me around the world! 😉

      • Couch_Incident

        From Wikipedia:
        “Provel is a white processed cheese particularly popular in St. Louis cuisine, that is a combination of cheddar, Swiss, and provolone cheeses, and tastes nothing like any of them… Although popular in the St. Louis area, Provel is rarely used elsewhere. It is not universally beloved even in St. Louis, where its pronounced tendency to stick to the teeth has made some avoid it. Some servers at the increasingly popular Pi pizza chain go so far as to wear T-shirts with the universal red circle-with-a-slash over the word ‘Provel.'”

        • TexasBroad

          I am pro-provel.

    • Couch_Incident

      “Pi” pizza – deep dish similar to Chicago, multiple STL locations.

      • Couch_Incident

        Also “Black Thorn” in Tower Grove for Chicago deep dish, but don’t eat there – it’s a dive.

        • jazzlover

          As a tried and true Italian, one of the very first things I learned is to never eat pizza made in a place that has multiple locations.

    • Franklin Adams

      Go a little bit east to Jacksonville, IL and go to Leo’s or the Irish Toad. Its STL style, but without Provel. Or say fuck it and go to Lonzerotti’s, but if you do you’d better bring me back some of the damned salad dressing.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      White Castle and this similar looking building that puts chili on pasta. Then leave as fast as you can!

      • Franklin Adams

        That’d be Steak and Shake. If you happen to go by one, I recommend getting a bottle of the pepper sauce. And like the italian joint’s dressing, you’d better bring me a bottle too.

        Y’know, I think a trip to the Midwest is in order next time I get some time off. I’m sure the family would like to see me, my wife and our kid. I haven’t been that way in a while, like 11 years, and Florida ain’t going anywhere. Plus, I need to give grandpa one of my medals, my ACM. He got one too for Operation Crossroads, a nuke test he worked on, but never got the actual medal as far as I know.

        I promised I would before he died, and haven’t managed to get up there to do it yet.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    OT, but is it true that Katie Holmes is pregnant by Jamie Fox? Not that it matters but someone told me it was on the cover of People Magazine. Is that one of those tabloids that stretches the stomach?

    • jazzlover

      Never trust a supermarket tabloid that doesn’t have pictures of alien babies mothered by Kirstie Alley on the cover.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Lord I miss Bat Boy,

        • jazzlover

          LOL. Was Kirstie his mother too?

          • Franklin Adams

            Naw, Bat Boy’s mother had an article about her, her name’s Susan Boy. Don’t ask me how I know these things.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              It’s the same way I knew that Dottie (the world’s most outspoken advice collemnest) lived in Lantana, Fl. and drove a Lincoln.
              Edit:http://kicknode.com/i-was-dear-dottie/

    • madame duran

      Wait for a few months, then you’ll know. This tabloid narrative about Katie Holmes and Jamie Foxx “getting it on” has been peddled for the past two years (a sign of publicists working overtime to keep someone relevant is my guess). I don’t believe a word of it. As the late Whitney Houston once said, “SHOW ME THE RECEIPTS!!”
      I’m still waitin’.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        “Crack is wack”!

      • Franklin Adams

        And as Bobby Brown said, “The Orlando Police are harassin’ me!”, right before he dropped his pants and mooned the crowd. True story.

    • Couch_Incident

      If true, no “silent birth” this time!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        “Ahhh, give me drugs”!

    • Juicer77

      Broke up… having a baby… buying a house… renting a car together… Anything and everything. Whatevs. I hope that Katie keeps working at her craft and getting out from under the stigma of being Mrs.-Ex-You-Know-Who.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        No, renting a car together?

        • Juicer77

          IKR!?!??

  • The problem with time-travelers is, that they never know what time it is! –Dice

    • Missionary Kid

      Is that bad timing, or what? 😉

      • they are always late 🙂

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Bad time warp traffic.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          let’s do the time warp again!

  • OOkpik

    Rip Van Wrinkle?
    Mornin’, Bunkeroos.

    • Juicer77

      Those are some epic flews!

  • David Arum

    It would be consistent with justice and human nature if the church were to be cleaned out by attorneys as they cleaned out so many hapless believers.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Love and much support to Ken Dander.