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Joey Chait’s sentencing memo: Abused in Scientology’s Sea Org and in fear of wealthy dad

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Earlier this month, Joey Chait, 38, was sentenced by a New York federal court to a year in prison for conspiring to smuggle art objects made of rhino horn, ivory, and coral. Joey was in the employ of his father Isadore Chait, whose eponymous I.M. Chait Gallery in Beverly Hills is one of the best known auction houses for Asian art in the world. Izzy Chait, for his part, is also well known to Scientology watchers, who remember his bizarre 2011 appearance along with the “Squirrel Busters” at Los Angeles International Airport in an attempt to unnerve former Scientology official Marty Rathbun.

There was even some precedence for the Chait Gallery being associated with the illegal sale of art objects: Izzy Chait, in 2007, sold a Mongolian Tyrannosaurus bataar skull to actor Nicolas Cage, and after the skull’s provenance was uncovered, Cage had to return it to the Mongolian government last year.

It seemed a simple story. Scientologist son of a somewhat unhinged wealthy and well known church figure had traded in goods that fuel the slaughter of endangered rhinos and other animals. Joey got little sympathy on the various Internet forums, and rightly so.

But we did notice something interesting about the government’s sentencing memorandum that was made public when Joey was given twelve months and a day in prison by Judge J. Paul Oetken. Prosecutors, who were asking that Joey be put away for 2.5 to 3 years, made several references to a sentencing memorandum prepared by Joey’s attorney, Judith H. Germano, which apparently had something to say about Joey’s upbringing in Scientology and his relationship with his father.

That document, by Germano, was not included in the court file when Joey was sentenced. But now, we have it, and we think you’re going to find it pretty interesting.

 
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[The rhino horn figure of Guanyin that sold for $190,000 (plus fees) in 2011 as part of a government sting]

 
Based on both documents, from the prosecutors and defense, a picture emerges of a federal law enforcement sting operation that was intended to catch the Chait Gallery selling illegal art in order to make an example of one of the most prominent art dealers in the country. In 2011, an undercover agent convinced the Chait Gallery to auction an item for him that was made of rhino horn, and another undercover agent then bid on the item at auction and purchased it, for a winning bid of $190,000. Joey Chait then helped the winner hide the nature of the item with a bogus sales receipt so the buyer could then smuggle it out of the country. In January 2013, the FBI served a search warrant on the gallery, and the Chaits waited to see what was going to happen. Then, in April 2014, Izzy Chait had a heart attack that deprived his brain of oxygen, giving him brain damage and making him mostly incapacitated. Since then, he’s been diagnosed with cancer.

Two months later, in June 2014, Joey Chait learned that he was going to be charged with a crime. But in his sentencing memorandum, his attorney says that Joey’s entire life had been run by the Church of Scientology and by his father Izzy. A gay man told by his father that his homosexuality could be “handled” by Scientology, Joey was so powerless in his own life he didn’t even get pay stubs working at the Chait Gallery and made no extra money by selling the rhino horn figure. Joey’s life, his attorney writes, was simply about following his father’s constant dictum, “don’t screw up the sale.”

If the federal government had set out to take down Izzy Chait and his legendary gallery, Izzy’s debilitating heart attack made that less viable, and so they turned to his oldest son, who turned out to be a man motivated more by fear of his father and Scientology “disconnection” than by greed, according to his attorney. As a sign that Joey had only been going along with his father’s orders, Germano writes, Joey was happy to cooperate with prosecutors, and even participated in another attempt to sting a dealer in illicit goods with the use of a fake email account.

 
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[Joey Chait]

 
In their own sentencing memorandum, prosecutors downplayed Joey’s helpfulness, and also argued that his Scientology upbringing was irrelevant.

But Judge Oetken seemed to agree, at least in part, with Joey’s version of events. At the sentencing, Judge Oetken, the first openly gay man on the federal bench, said that he did take into consideration Joey’s relationship with his authoritarian father, and the abuse he reportedly suffered in Scientology’s Sea Org. He then sentenced Joey not to the 2.5 to 3 years that prosecutors were asking for, but to 1 year in prison, and the minimum fine, $10,000.

It’s completely expected, of course, for the attorney of a client facing prison time to paint a picture of his or her background as sympathetically as possible. But it’s also interesting to see life in the Sea Org portrayed as a living hell in any court document, and to see what Joey, through his attorney, had to say about working for his famous dad.

We look forward to your own thoughts on the narrative that Judith Germano spells out in this document, as she describes how Joey found himself helping buyers smuggle illegal items out of the country.

— Joey went to Scientology schools, and at 18 joined the Sea Org. At 23, he went to work for his father at I.M. Chait Gallery. These were the only two jobs Joey ever had. “Joey’s conduct was largely attributable to the cruel abuses, beliefs and ambitions of his father and the Church,” the document says.

— In the Sea Org, “Joey was beaten and constantly subjected to sleep and food deprivation as well as the constant fear of interrogation. The mandated conformity took away one’s ‘right to self.’ Joey, like all members who take classes, also had to sign a confidentiality agreement, promising not to divulge the Church’s philosophy, practices, or assaults.”

— Joey oversaw the delivery of OT III, the “Xenu” story that reveals to upper-level Scientologists that their being is made up of thousands of invisible alien entities. “When Joey’s statistics (i.e., his ‘well-done’ auditing hours) were low, his supervisor would smack him on the head with her hand or anything else she was holding. When Joey provided an explanation, the supervisor would scream at him in front of the other auditors and call him a ‘faggot’ and a ‘degraded being’.”

— “He was also forced to endure ‘corrective therapy’ to ‘fix’ his homosexual tendencies. In addition, his penalty included hard labor, such as cleaning toilets, cleaning the kitchen, and emptying the huge trash dumpsters. Furthermore, he was subjected to mental abuse by interrogators, who put him on an E-meter and grilled him for hours until he confessed his sins.”

— “Further humiliation came when the Church imposed a $39,000 ‘bill’ for Scientology counseling and courses that he had completed under the billion-year contract. Izzy told Joey that he had to pay off this ‘debt’ to the Church by working at the Gallery. Joey’s parents also requested that he remain with the Church in the hope that he would be turned ‘straight’.”

— So, hit with the classic “freeloader’s debt” that a departing Sea Org member is saddled with, Joey went to work at the gallery, where employees were forced to sign L. Ron Hubbard “business management” contracts in order to work there.

— “Until his father fell ill three years ago, Joey had no personal bank account, a business credit card with a low limit, and he did not know what his salary was. His father, and the company accountant, completely managed his affairs. This was, according to Izzy, because Joey could not manage money and because the business had to pay Scientology for Joey’s debt.”

— “Izzy had total control of the business and was in charge of all of the buying as well as policies and procedures.”

— “Joey occasionally shipped art carvings made from ivory and rhinoceros horn to U.S. based third parties, such as UPS stores or friends/family members of the buyers. Joey understood that the artwork would be sent out of the United States, but he never verified that the buyers obtained the required export permits. The first time that this issue arose, Joey asked Izzy what to do and Izzy characteristically responded, ‘don’t mess up the sale’.”

Germano, having set up that dynamic between Joey and his father, also describes how byzantine the federal regulations are that govern antique art items made of rhino horn, and that Joey struggled to understand them. She says that Joey did realize that what he had done was wrong, and he pleaded guilty. But she pointed out that art dealers who had previously been charged and who were more obviously motivated by greed, had received probation and not prison time. Joey, she argues, was motivated by fear, and regretted it. She quotes from a letter written by Joey himself…

I knew that it was wrong to falsify customs forms, and I knew that some of our international buyers were taking these pieces of art out of the country without the proper permits. I kept my mouth shut when I knew it was wrong, and I broke the law.

It bothered me at the time, and it continues to bother me today. I should have said something. I should have stood up to my father and spoke my mind. I should not have made false statements on those shipping forms or turned a blind eye when I knew carvings that buyers purchased at our art gallery would be taken out of the country. If only I had listened to my own judgments, instead of following the orders I was given, I would not be standing before you for sentencing.

Germano writes that since his father’s debilitating illness, Joey is taking control of his life. He received an actual pay stub for the first time in July 2015, he’s pursuing education again, he is getting therapy to help with leaving his Scientology life behind, and he’s engaged to be married.

And now, he’s facing a year in federal prison. We called him, but he asked us politely to direct any questions to his attorney.

Take the time to read Ms. Germano’s memorandum, and let us know what you think. Personally, we think there may be no lower life form on earth than poachers who kill animals like endangered rhinos and elephants. And we applaud the federal government for going after dealers who fuel that trade. But as veteran Scientology watchers, we’re also fascinated by the story that is told in these legal documents, and we can understand why Judge Oetken came to the decision that he did.

U.S. vs. Chait: Sentencing Memorandum, Defense

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

For once, the Church of Scientology is getting some positive press for the good works that it does in the community. Rapper The Game showed up at Scientology’s community center in South Central L.A. yesterday for a gang summit and peace accord that he had organized with Snoop Dogg (who didn’t show). Gang leaders and The Game met with L.A. police chief Charlie Beck against a backdrop festooned with Scientology logos. Church leader David Miscavige will be boasting about this one, and why not. For once, Scientology did the selfless thing and tried to help society…wait, what’s that? Who made the scene? Alfreddie and Rizza? Aw, well. It was funny business as usual, then.

 
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3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on July 18, 2016 at 07:00

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  • Off topic: “Battlefield Earth” recently arrived in Plymouth (the original one, in the UK).

    Copies of the book and the massive audio version are now on display at our modest org. These items are not in the window display. They turn their back on the public. The covers can only be seen if you are inside the org. They aren’t on sale in any bookshops, either (I’ve checked).

    If ever there was a demonstration that the purpose of this publication is to get more money out of Scientologists by pressuring them to buy multiple copies,this is it. Pictures here: https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2016/07/17/battlefield-plymouth-why-l-ron-hubbards-newly-republished-fiction-is-not-going-to-make-an-impact-in-the-uk/

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      So the reissue is now an international best seller all over again, eh?

      • Kind of… it’s being sold to Scientologists all over the world.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    Well, after the Sea Org and a job with his Dad, jail is going to seem like going off to summer camp.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Maybe he can decompress, and get some normalness back in his life.

    • Peter

      That will depend entirely on which prison he’s in and who his cellmate may be. He’s young and good looking, probably not trained in self defense. Prison can be even more ruthless than scio.

      • ze moo

        Joey will be in a dormitory type of setting, many convicts in one room. Look on youtube for Tommy Chong’s description of his time in a low level Federal prison.

      • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

        Might be a good idea for Bunkerites, especially those ex-CoS, to write him during his time in durance vile.

        • Susan black

          Will he have access to Internet?

          • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

            I dunno. Prisoner websites tend to be run by someone on the outside who corresponds with the prisoner in question.

    • I think the food is better in prison. Also there’s more free time.

  • From birth, Joey Chait was raised in the Church of Scientology (the “Church”),which (as has been well-documented) is an internally violent cult that preaches fear and strict obedience.

    Well-documented on The Bunker 😉

  • YellowSubmarine

    Funny, the meeting with The Game was mentioned on a big news site in The Netherlands. No mention of Scientology involvement. Which is good. And a missed PR-opportunity for Scientology.

    (They are mentioned on the ‘agreement’ they signed)
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BH-403ig-HA/

    • They got a “Way to Happiness” logo on the bottom, though (right next to the Nation of Islam).

      Since Scientology’s public image now seems to be irretrievable, I imagine they will be delighted to have obtained such good PR for a front group.

    • ze moo

      Why that paper will end all the shootings and drug trafficking those gangs do. Good Job WTH!!! Good blow job….

      • YellowSubmarine

        Well I don’t think those gangs will share their ‘businessmodel’. “It’s okay, you can have my spot”

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    “…and who has suffered years of significant and horrible abuse within a destructive cult that inculcated obedience and suppressed independent thought through physical and mental punishment and threats of being completely cut off from those whom heloved most.”

    Wow, scientology in a nutshell in the first paragraph.

  • Izzy in action.
    P.S. Has anyone mirrored these yet?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USJfHR9r1Cc

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Well, ignorance of the law has never been an excuse that will get you out of jail time so I get why the judge sentenced him to the year. I hope he continues along the path away from Scientology and heals from the damage it has done.

    Give talking to Tony some thought Joey. Perhaps with some time and distance you’ll feel more comfortable talking about it. Yeah, you screwed up and you’re paying the price for it, that doesn’t mean people wouldn’t support you if you spoke out. Just a thought.

    • “ignorance of the law…”
      Doesn’t apply anyway, he admitted he knew it was wrong.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        You’re right Shorpy. Just my pre-coffee blabbering. 🙂 Reading the dox now. I’m glad he complied with law enforcement and assisted them. It, no doubt, helped him get a lighter sentence. I also just read he is receiving counseling which is another good thing to hear.

    • OOkpik

      NOLAGirl, you have a beautiful heart. <3

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Thank you honey. I feel bad for the kid. Growing up in Scientology, with Izzy as his father, being gay….jeez, that could not have been easy. I’m not saying what he did was right, just that he must have been living in a special kind of hell and I empathize with that.

        When I start hearing about “gay conversion” therapies or whatever they call them, I want to start smashing things. That makes me sick. Love your kid for who they are, don’t try to make them something they are not.

    • Mary

      I think Joey should tell his story, maybe even write a book or be the subject of someone’s dissertation. Embedded into the story is the web that is woven when one has been subjected their whole life to the threat of shunning by those you love the most, the cruel practice of threatened or actual interrogation until you “divulge how wrong you have been” with the “revelation” of your own sins, a snitching and a “do not tell” culture, woven around a whole philosophy of labels.
      What a mind fuck. I hope Joey is on the road to recovery.

      • Fink Jonas

        interrogation until you “divulge how wrong you have been”, this makes me think in Scientology they force you or coerce you to confess not to set you free but to make you guilty and further degrade you by threats of black mail you with your own sins, is total degradation that no human should go thru.

      • Roger Larsson

        Yup, Operation “snow white” was “coal black”.

  • For those who are disillusioned with the legal system, this document might cheer you up.

    A judge acknowledges that life in Scientology (and especially the Sea Org) is a mitigating factor in this case and tempers justice with mercy. Implicit in this decision is that Joey is better off out of Scientology.

    During a court case the judge’s job is listen to legal argument and keep the advocates under control so that the Jury sees a fair presentation. It’s not until sentencing that you gain any insight into how judges actually view the plight victims of Scientology who have come to their court seeking redress.

    Since Scientology will do whatever it takes to prevent a case coming to judgement we can often make the mistake that Judges don’t care. It may be that, when Scientology is in the dock, they never have a chance to express their opinion.

    Also, mention of the ‘Squirrel Busters’ and Marty’s persecution at airports by apparently deranged people makes you think that, for all his faults, perhaps that might form part of a plea in mitigation…

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    How am I able to feel sympathy for a disgusting dealer in endangered animal parts? But I am. Joey was raised in Scientology and is as much a victim of Scientology as anyone else born in to the cult, particularly young gay Scientologists. It sounds as though his father was the real criminal here. Let’s hope Joey Chait is able to shrug his Scientology conditioning off entirely now.

    I feel more sympathy for the butchered animals, though. Excellent writing.

    • OOkpik

      This! ^^^

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Same feelings I have love. Hell I feel guilty just for owning a pair of ivory earrings that my Dad bought my grandmother when he was in Vietnam in the late 60’s. She passed them on to me before she died and I’ve taken them out of the box once, since then they’ve been in the back of my closet where they will remain. I just can’t wear them.

      • ze moo

        If they came from Vietnam, they are probably made from Asian Elephant. They are not so endangered.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Thanks for trying to make me feel better Ze. You’re so cool. 🙂 I still don’t feel right about them. You’ll see my other post about why I keep them but…I don’t think I’ll ever wear them.

          • Robert Eckert

            Ivory from Asian elephants is taken after they have died from natural causes, generally after being worked all their lives (African elephants are not docile enough). Working elephants are treated harshly sometimes, but then again, humans also generally have to work hard for their living in that part of the world.

          • beauty for ashes

            I’m sure they would be appropriate and appreciated at a family function.

      • Simi Valley

        You just reminded me that I once owned a pair of ivory earrings. Don’t know if I still have them. I lost so much stuff in the SO, including a 14K gold bracelet that was stolen from my berthing space while I was human trafficked away from PAC.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Ugh. It disgusts me that while you were being used as a fucking human slave….you had five-finger discount bitches around you. SMFH Ugh, I hate Scientology.

          As far as these earrings, I keep them for one reason only. They were a gift of love from my father to his mother when he was 19 and he was separated from her by war. They just aren’t something I feel like I could throw away. I don’t wear them and I sure as hell don’t show them off. They’ve been in the same box, in the same closet, on the same shelf for years. Maybe it’s because his death is still a little raw? But, who knows, I might toss them out in protest one day. 🙂

          • Victoria Pandora

            Wow, “five finger discount” , never heard that one:)

            Yeah, the worst thing about getting totally ripped off by other staff to me anyway, was how shocking it was to realize nobody had “their ethics in”.

            Desperation of one kind or another usually is what drove them to it.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              No doubt you’re right about that and I know I should have a little compassion for the thief, they were just trying to get by in that crazy world too. It just makes me angry that it is injustice on top of injustice on top of injustice. It’s like it’s not just abuse, it’s multiple layers of abuse. It gives me a sad.

          • Sometime Ivory comes from already expired animals. In that case I believe it more ethical to use the entire animal. I think you would be better off not worrying about if they are ivory 🙂

        • Yes Simi, 3x in SO my berthing was ripped off of many valuables most all received before there of course. Once was when June Tongish blew and took my suitcase and my green kangaroo leather hiking boots my dad had given me. Even tho she after became a WISE member and I was easy to find, she never attempted to pay the debt. Maybe she’ll read this. I think I was Benedict or Prefontaine then. The room was with her and Claire Reppen (RIP) in the main building. She can send the about 5000$ (with interest) to me at PO box 359, 9351 hahaha – sure.

      • beauty for ashes

        Nola, I don’t know if you can see in this picture, but below my grandparents I put two of their things I have inherited. One is some sort of ivory or animal horn and a charm bracelet filled with charms from their world travels. I got this idea from my friend who is an IFA priestess, who has an alter for her ancestors. I won’t go into the whole thing, but it gave me a creative and loving way to use the things of theirs I inherited and honor what their life gave to me. <3 <3 <3 (F5)
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/84aee1e79251f593172a714e5ddeff448c3d9d127c5f06e5c52272852f68b4a1.jpg

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          That is so sweet Beauty. 🙂 What a nice tribute to your grandparents. That bracelet is gorgeous!

          • beauty for ashes

            When my friend told me about this tradition in her religion, I was so inspired. It is basically inviting your ancestors in your house and your life. Since I have no concrete religion, I just borrowed some parts of it. Ps ~ I just noticed when I photographed this for you , the little mermaid charm on her bracelet. Mermaids always show up in my art, and hold a fascination for me. I was glad to know we had that in common. 🙂 And there is a little Buddha on there, which was pretty progressive. 🙂

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              I wish I’d known of your love of mermaids when we were up in the city weekend before last. They have a little store on Royal St. that is full of angels, mermaids and Limoge boxes. I’m making a note now for the next time we’re there. ; )

            • beauty for ashes

              You know what, I am not one for trinkets anyway! That’s why I thought of displaying the bracelet, because I knew I would never wear it. But I love old classic paintings with them in it, the only tchotchke I have is a magnet from a seaport museum with this painting , which I’m obsessed with. F5
              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/73c93d1e7c8b4ad8a7024ae0b071a2e14704a737f87102f81ec69fcee19ece97.jpg

    • Bert Allen

      Izzy Chiat, another OT without control of MEST. Here is hoping that without the controlling influence of his deluded father that Joey can turn his life around in and out of prison.

      • Jane Doe 2

        Excellent article, Tony. So when you say that he is getting his life together after leaving the church and getting psychiatric counseling on his time in the church, that would make him an SP under SM’s rules. Did his mom disconnect from him for this? I assume Izzy doesn’t know what is going on now, so he is a moot point on the disconnection question. But have any other family members disconnected from him now? And the pay stubs he started getting in July,2015 — are they from a different company? I assume he found work somewhere else? He is a sad story of collateral damage from the church and parents who believe all in the church even to the point of trying to reprogram the son’s homosexuality.

        • Linda Clement

          It worried me for a minute to read that he was planning on getting married, which would signal agreement with Scientology’s homophobia. Then I remembered what decade this is and realized that he could probably marry a goat without raising eyebrows – as long as the goat is a consenting adult, that is. Here’s to you, Joey. May you be true to your own heart.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I’m with ya. As I was reading through the details of Joey’s experience, the thought that crossed my mind was: “Well, following the collapse of the CoS certainly has taken my sympathies to unexpected places.”

      There is little, however, that could disabuse me of the notion that Izzy is a vile motherfucker.

    • Noesis

      There are additional reasons to be concerned about Chait Gallerry…take a peek at a sampling of the Google Reviews for that business (screen capture below.) There are some commonalities between the events reported in those reviews and the complaints of ex-Scientologists about the behavior they reported by their former church.

      Coincidence? Probably not.

      Note: Not all the reviews are negative…a link to the expanded list is here: https://www.google.com/search?q=Chait+Gallery&oq=Chait+Gallery&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#lrd=0x80c2bc01607af7f9:0xfdad2dbafdfd10e4,1,

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3ba84eb76028e0c6b98a3bce10061a2088e446cc6bf199d1a02706f30026b90f.jpg

  • Jason Barclay described being walloped on the head by his supervisor all the time too. Is this just super common in the sea org? It’s really outrageous if you think about it — just smacking people in the head like that.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TPjiI0Y9a8

    • Peter

      Hey, Nat, that’s just SOP, learned from the very top. Abuse is the flavour of the day in the SO.

    • pluvo

      “Is this just super common in the sea org?”

      No. I never observed that where I was.
      (PS: I left in 1999, who knows what happened since that time.)

  • BosonStark

    It seems like the way the law is structured, they have to go after the person making the sale rather than the gallery brokering the deal. If the gallery is making 20 to 40% off these sales of objects worth up to $190,000, a fine of $10,000 seems like peanuts. The gallery should be hit with a fine of $2M for something like this.

    Otherwise it remains lucrative for unscrupulous dealers such as Izzy Chait to coerce vulnerable or enslaved family members, or outsiders, to do these sales illegally and get away with it when they can.

    • Not only is the dealer obviously the main culprit here, I wonder about the involvement of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology… We have Damnation Navy involvement in staffing, how far to actually knowing that the law was being broken and being quiet about it (in return for more “donations”)?

  • Narapoid

    Born in/raised ins have always got my sympathy. Good fortunes to you Joey, you have a long row to hoe, but at least now there is some light at the end of the tunnel.

    If the cult messes with you, there are some outlets that will help you make it cost ’em in Black PR and (eventually) money if they do not leave you strictly alone. Again, all the best to you.

  • Jimmy3

    I had absolutely no idea this was illegal. I’m getting rid of all my wino porn today.

    • But you worked so hard hunting it XD

      • Jimmy3

        *sigh*… All those long, hard nights in the Appalachian foothills… Just me, Nic Cage and a dinosaur skull…

    • Scott H

      What exactly constitutes wino porn? A scantly clad garbage dumpster with a fetching come hither look?

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I knew I should’ve put tape over my computer webcam, like the paranoid people told me to.

      • Jimmy3

        Hell, even Mark Zuckerberg does that. But he uses really, really expensive tape.

    • Wino porn? So there is hope for us . . .

  • Chee Chalker

    I’d send Rizza congratulations on Twitter, but he blocked me a while back. Wait, maybe I can send those well wishes on Twitter through the Elfmans…..nope, blocked there.
    Meskimen? Blocked
    Krusty? Blocked.

    https://youtu.be/tZM3m1RROsQ

  • Too bad that Izzy Chait couldn’t respond to the memo and take responsibility (or not) for his treatment of his own son (Described as about the same level of scumminess as human trafficking – and financially entwined with the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology, no less.)

    At least Joey will have a fair chance at making his own decisions from now on. While his individual responsibility might be less than assumed in making the judgement, what he will be able to put behind him has got to be much worse (especially since it would appear that he has woken and broken out of the mental prison of the Co$).

  • PickAnotherID

    Since it was entered in the record, is the info laid out in the sentencing memo admissable in other cases, e.g., Laura D.’s?? And after reading that thing, just a reminder, today is ‘Global Hug Your Kid Day’, which seems to be the one thing Joey never got. (f5)
    https://www.kuriose-feiertage.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Kuriose-Feiertage-18.-Juli-2016-Internationaler-Umarmt-Eure-Kinder-Tag-%E2%80%93-der-Global-Hug-Your-Kids-Day-2016-c-2016-Sven-Gies-1.jpg

    • Bert Allen

      I think the Judge’s sentencing decision is admissible, but i doubt the the defense attorney’s memo, which is essentially like a closing argument, would be.

    • flyonthewall

      Playmobil is my enemy

      • We have always been at war with Playmobil . . .

      • Scott H

        Kneel before your Playmobil overlords Fly, kneel.

      • any new post on your brick site? to lazy to dig up the link

        • flyonthewall

          hell no. I didn’t post any pix of the Apollo series bc I don’t like them but I’m also too lazy to redo them. Also I don’t have a work space or a real camera, just a dinner table w/bad lighting and an old iphone so basically i hate everything and everything is stupid

          • Loool… too bad, i liked the BrickCult, but stuff like this is time consuming .

      • beauty for ashes

        Plus they have baaaaad shoes!!!! They’re like orthopedic Frankenstein bad!

  • Sunny

    I really love the fact that Joey, as a current Scientologist in good standing (is he SP declared? Don’t think so), is able to give insight into the abuses and mistreatment of staff and public Scientologists, gays in particular. This is now a public record.
    I think now it’s time for his family to choose either Scn or family. I wish Joey and his family all the best.

    • ze moo

      By being and confessing to being gay, Joey was already PTS. By being indicted, he automatically became SP, just thrown under the bus by his dad and the ‘chrich’.

    • Sunny, he hasn’t been doing anything in the church for years but was flying under the radar. I am pretty sure that was falling apart already since he is engaged to be married to a man. And you and I both know how well the GAY CARD flies in Scientology. We will see what his mother chooses. I bet his brothers are with him. But MaryAnn is still sucked into the cult big time.

  • nunyabidnes

    OT – I briefly looked at Marty Rathbun’s blog today. I was shocked to see that his blog has devolved into a huge attack on this site. WTH!?? I’ve never been a big reader of his blog, and have probably only read when I found a link to them, but I never remembered him being so focussed on hating Tony. Wow! He seems a little unhinged. Wasn’t he the Sci top attack dog at one point? I can really see that side of his personality.

    • The question is, what is he trying to distract attention from by creating a scapegoat (another Scientology techniques that he is well-practiced in).

    • Bleuler

      Rue la la, someone’s missing his days of “Always attack”-fun methinks.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Marty Mark in a July 17 post is back to “figuring it all out” with his ‘Moving on up a little higher.’

      Vying to be the intellectual Alex Jones. Great niche for a former Inspector General of the Religious Technology Corporation of the Cherch of Sceintology.

      • Jimmy3

        Marty Mark and the Flunky Bunch

        • Observer

          You win the internets.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Against my natural inclination, I decided to read the July 17 post, and found it a cogent, well written and useful essay. Of course, aside from the two-sentence introduction, the whole thing is a quote from another writer. So… there you are.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Huh? What? A… post… over there?

    • Bert Allen

      My belief is that this is part of his off the books settlement with the COS.

    • Qbird

      The ‘war’ is a lie. People talk. Let them. Everyone has an opinion.
      Whoop-dee-do.

  • Simi Valley

    Back in the 90s, Izzy had a rock band that performed on the Freewinds; then he broke out as a cabaret singer with gigs around the LA area. His music website is still up:
    http://www.izzychait.com/

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)
      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Too bad he and Joy never recorded a duet.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Not a great loss, IMO 😉

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            But think of all the considerating they would’ve gotten from the Grammys! ; )

      • chukicita

        I had a deeper look at “Live for the Holidays.” I realize that a good number of Christmas classics were penned by Jewish artists.

        But of all the holiday songs to select from to include on a holiday album, one kind of stands out as particularly Scientology: f5

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5374cc835a8674625ab33f97ff149ddf9193743661b09cb1b47ba26401c61ee4.jpg

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Ha! Did LRH pen this song?

          I guess since Izzy now has brain damage, there must have been some grey matter there in the first place.

          • chukicita

            It’s from “The Wizard of Oz.”

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I knew that 🙄

      • Skabetti

        I’m considering switching from “skabetti” to “grammy-considered.” (Not.)

  • Simi Valley

    Awesome reporting.

  • Bert Allen

    Another judge validates the evil of the COS.

  • Simi Valley

    Back in the early 90s I heard that the Chaits had been shopping around for Jewish temples where they could bar mitzvah their sons. One temple in particular on the West Side of LA had so many gay members that it turned them off. I’m sure at that time they were clueless that one of their own kids was gay.

  • Phil McKraken

    Rhinos a just a few short years away from extinction in the wild. There is no hot enough place in Hell for the likes of the Chaits.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Holy mother of moly, I’m only about 10 pages in and already I’ve lost track of the number of times the word “cult” is used. And seeing Wright’s and Reitman’s work cited as sources just about made me swoon. This is officially the best court document ever. That it is now public record…I’m gonna need to take a break and fan myself a little before I continue reading.

    • ze moo

      That pleading is Joey’s escape manifesto. If he wasn’t on the goldenrod express before, he is now. I consider that a badge of honor.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Yep, and good for him.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Shall I bring the smelling salts?

  • Stay Puft

    “Izzy Chait had a heart attack that deprived his brain of oxygen, giving him brain damage”

    The ideal Scientologist then.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      And his OT powers didn’t help him avoid these illnesses?

  • Mrs. V.

    At the risk of making assumptions where I have absolutely no evidence, I think that if Izzy wasn’t so ill he’d be more bothered by the fact that his son spoke the truth about scientology than the fact that he’ll be serving time for Izzy’s crimes.

    • Sunny

      I think if Izzy wasn’t so ill, he would have been prosecuted himself instead of Joey.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        i think ” i don’t give a rat’s behind how “ill” the man is… serve him up and put him in the slammer…he’s no different from those nazi war criminals on the run for decades, who finally are being brought to justice in their very elderly years..

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I don’t have any facts to back this up but I get the impression that he wouldn’t even be found fit to stand trial, I think he is that ill. But I agree, slap the charges on him anyway or name him a co-conspirator. He can follow in the footsteps of his guru LRH.

      • Joey got prosecuted because it was his name on the forms. He falsified government documents and imported and exported illegal items. Basically he was the fall guy. Izzy should be the one in jail.

    • Jimmy3

      Nah. He didn’t screw up the plea bargain deal.

  • ze moo

    Joey Chait is just another clam who has already been thrown under the bus by the clampire. While DM has thrown out Joey, that ‘freeloader bill’ is still due.

    So $cientology practices ‘gay conversion “therapy”‘? There aren’t enough quotes to put around that oxymoron. Several states have outlawed that ‘therapy’, is there an actual civil rights case here? Joey could join Laura DeCrescenzo on the civil suit bandwagon. It seems he is another ‘undue influence’ waiting to file. At least I hope he files.

    Why does Joey get prison time and others get probation? I smell undue influence in these other criminal court cases.

    If the Chaits are an example of $cientologies ‘family values’, count me out.

  • Chee Chalker

    Wasn’t Izzy Chait the charming, cause over MEST, OT who growled ‘Don’t speak to be about the Schwartzes’ when referring to African Americans and the Inglewood Org?
    This was during the infamous ‘Septugenarian Attack’ on Marty Mark when he was in LA.
    The Co$ sent their beat and brightest and racist group that day.

    • Is that any way to talk about the former president of the Cult Awareness Network?

      Scientology’s Revenge September 9, 1999, Ron Russell, New Times Los Angeles

    • villagedianne

      Apparently you mean the Yiddish word shvartze. The Schwartz is from Spaceballs.

      • Robert Eckert

        The Schwartz in Spaceballs is a reference to the giant toy store F. A. O. Schwartz, which made a killing on Star Wars action figures and the like, for which it had exclusive rights in New York City. The German name “Schwartz” should actually be pronounced “Shvartz” and does mean “black” like the Yiddish cognate.

      • Chee Chalker

        I had a friend whose (German born) grandmother referred to black people as ‘Schwarzes’ (yes, not Schwartzes’! Spaceballs is one of my favorites, so maybe I’m stuck in an incident)

        It was not meant to be a compliment. Friend’s grandma was very old and ornery, so we stayed clear of her as much as possible.

        I thoughtthe way Izzy said it was so sleazy and creepy. In other words, he Tone 40’d it.

        • villagedianne

          I was seldom around Yiddish speakers when growing up. However the few times I heard the word, it was not used in a nice way.

          My parents spoke Yiddish when they didn’t want us kids to understand what they were saying. But over time their Yiddish became so rusty they could barely stammer out a sentence.

  • Rasha

    “April 2014, Izzy Chait had a heart attack that deprived his brain of oxygen, giving him brain damage and making him mostly incapacitated. Since then, he’s been diagnosed with cancer.”

    …then, after turning around and smacking his face into an open cabinet door, he slipped on a banana peel, falling right onto a freshly painted bench, knocking over a vat of glue, which got on his hands just as he tried to steady himself by accidentally grabbing a pile of used diapers. Then a bee’s nest fell on his head, and he was trampled by a rhino. The end.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      That sounds like the worst Vaudeville act ever. ; )

      • They’re called The Aristocrats!

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Heh heh…Seems like the right punchline to a story about the Chaits.

          Btw, one of my favorite Disney movies growing up was The Aristocats. Because cats, obviously.

          • thetastic

            While that is a cute movie, the aristocrats is whole other kettle of fish.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Indeed. And yet for reasons that only seem to make sense in some recess of my brain, one always makes me think of the other.

    • ze moo

      Are you a 3 stooges fan?

      • Rasha

        I do share Moe’s birthday, so that might be it….

    • Ella Raitch

      Awesome OT powerz at work

      • Rasha

        The Slide-Whistle Tech® proved invaluableness.

  • Justmeteehee

    He’ll be more free during that year in jail than he’s been during his entire life. I’m glad he’s young enough to still actually have a life after being chewed up and spit out by CoS. His father on the other hand should still be charged. I will never wish medical disaster on anyone but he seems to have been lacking in his imaginary OT superdedooper powers.
    ETA spelling

    • dungeon master

      No, no! He did a voluntary half-way EOC to get out of prosecution. Too soon? Too heartless? Sorry. I’ll have another cuppa and try to think happy thoughts.

      • Justmeteehee

        That was my initial reaction too but when the coffee kicked it my kindness gene snuck up on me 😊

    • jazzlover

      He loses the right to vote in the process. Hardly freeing.

  • dungeon master

    Why was the wife not charged? She never worked in the gallery? Aww, a stay at home mom. I have great respect for stay at home moms (well, mostly. My sister in law quit college two credit hours short of a BA degree, cuz she had married my brother. And, granted she keeps a nice house and is an unparalleled shopper, but geez. All that money and time and she didn’t finish??). I imagine Mrs. Izzy had a finger or two in the business..

    • Jimmy3

      A finger or two in the business? Some people pay extra for that kinda action, Cotton.

      • dungeon master

        oh, bless you, jimmy! first belly laugh of the day. and i needed it badly. xo

  • Mirnaminkoff

    I can assure you Joey Chait was a spoiled, super brat in the CoS, his family had celebrity status and treatment. He’s taking the very real stories of abuse at the hands of the CoS, suffered by others, to try and escape punishment for his deeds. Nothing new there.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      You’re probably right, but in my book, anyone who grew up in the cult is definitely first a victim themselves.

      • Mirnaminkoff

        My info comes from a person recruited into the SO at 12 years of age because it was easy to recruit someone when their mother had just died and their father was struggling to care for younger siblings. Yes, SO recruiters viewed the death of a child’s parents as a golden opportunity. The stories get even worse from there.

        Everyone that grew up in the cult is a victim, but some far better than others. At least the Chait’s money insulated them from some of worst of it.

    • Sunny

      As a personal witness to how Joey was treated in the Sea Org, I beg to differ.

      • Mirnaminkoff

        My information about Joey IIRC comes before he was in the SO, when he was just the son of a VIP. It came from a teenage SO member who knew Joey and saw how he treated others. He very much enjoyed being a CoS crown prince and was adept at being a dick to those low on the CoS status totem poll. Joey was not in the SO at the time this person knew him, he was just a jerk to those that were. Maybe things radically changed once he himself was put into the SO and his past behavior caught up with him. But his pre-SO behavior won him no friends or fans which obviously means once he joined the SO there was a lot of petty revenge to be served up by others.

        ETA: I’ll have my friend write something up to clarify, since he went on quite a rant about Joey (and the Chaits) when this story first broke. It would be better coming from the original first person source anyway.

        • jimpjorps

          Judging by the stories from ex-SO members, abuse flows downwards, and inflicting abuse on your inferiors becomes the only way of maintaining some semblance of control over your life. It’s an environment that specifically breeds brats and assholes who’ll take advantage of anyone weaker than them but immediately comply to authority. I’ve got a lot of leeway for born-in members who’ve never had any other frame of reference on how to treat their colleagues.

          • Mirnaminkoff

            The SO couldn’t exist if it didn’t turn victims into abusers, that’s how one survives within the belly of the beast. The extent of it varies from person to person and a lot can depend on their position. Almost everyone in the SO is both a victim of and perpetrator of abuse, it’s in the very DNA of the SO.

            • 0tessa

              I totally agree with you.

            • Sunny

              Many people who were in, and got out, have found themselves embarrassed or ashamed of their behavior while in Scn and the SO. I have known Joey since the early 90’s, long before he was in the Sea Org, as well. I think each person has a different experience, and maybe, just like myself, have found themselves wanting to apologize for their bad behavior from the past. I personally have apologized to many people that I dealt with in the Sea Org.
              Maybe Joey has taken some baby steps away from Scn by speaking out, in a sense, even if just in court documents. But I think it speaks volumes for where he is at regarding Scn. Just a guess.

        • I am going to pile-on here and just say that eventually every Sea Org member becomes an abuser. It is the nature of the game. You just cannot avoid it. So the fact that he might have been abusive doesn’t preclude him from having been abused (even during the time in which he was being abusive), and it had nothing to do with his background prior to the Sea Org.

          No one here is claiming that he is not responsible for what he has done, he just asked that his time in the Sea Org and his upbringing in Scientology be considered as mitigating factors, which is fair and they were.

    • villagedianne

      Even Tommy Davis, son of famous Scientology actress Anne Archer, suffered abuse in the Sea Org. Having celebrity status is apparently no protection.

      • In Scientology, the pecking order is literal and always changes. (Except for Dave. Sooon.)

    • I have known Joey since 1994 when I was his PE teacher at Lewis Carroll Academy of the Arts. I joined the SO in Jan of 1995 and Joey and MANY other Scientology kids followed suit in the years after. Was Joey a typical rich kid? Yes in some ways. He was also a very sweet and generous boy. He was at a different org from me when we were in the SO so I didn’t see him outside of events. But it was always nice. Having gone through forced Homosexual Deprogramming myself at the hands of the RPF I can tell you that his story is in no way exaggerated or fabricated. I am happy that he will finally now be totally free of the church, since they disavow you if you are a criminal or Gay. And he is both now. He has been engaged for some time now and happy living his truth as a gay man. Izzy has ALWAYS been a manipulative, control freak and now that he is brain damaged and Cancer ridden I am sure the church will throw him away too since Scientology only makes the “ABLE more ABLE.”

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Powerful article and story. Damming words by his attorney. Bravo! I do feel for him having to go to jail, and thank him for helping and finally free of the cult.

  • Too bad Joey didn’t write a book as good as “The Lonesome Squirrel”

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Inquisition Therapy: Come On Into Scientology For Some!

    I love this document by this lawyer for Chait, it’s chock full of quotable material, I love this sentence:

    “….Notably, a Scientologist who also upholds strong allegiance to the church conducts the inquisition. …”

    Talking about a Scientology Sec Checker!

    Inquisitor!

    Inquisition Therapy!

    Best Lawyer document of the year award to her!

    Her extensive quoting of “Going Clear…” book are commendable. A brilliantly understanding lawyer appreciating the good recent years media and books writing on Scientology! Wow!

  • PerpetualOutflow

    Oh OT Izzy, what a mess you made of your life and your son’s life. First you get him sucked into a totalitarian cult, which then sucks him into their slave labor force. When he finally gets out, you enslave him yourself, not just to pay back the cult for the privilege of having served them for virtually nothing in the prime of his life, but also to further enrich YOU through illegal activities that put HIM at risk. Most ethical beings on the planet? Yeah, right.

  • flyonthewall

    Was it also a costume party at the Community Center thing? Why is Alfreddie wearing a cleric collar?

    • Jimmy3

      It pulls out into a rib bib.

      • flyonthewall

        he should just eat ribs in bed like me, no bib needed.

      • Ella Raitch

        That an ecclesiastical rib bib to you, fella

  • Simi Valley

    Jake Chait, the baby of the family, was also involved in the family biz, as profiled here:
    http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/final-offer/bios/jake-chait-bio/

  • flyonthewall

    Daddy issues are no fun. Fly knows this very well from personal experience. Fly feels for Joey and wishes him the best going forward.

    • Ella Raitch

      Some cope with daddy issues by becoming excellent, loving fathers themselves xx

      • flyonthewall

        I try 🙂

  • Freewinds is back in Curaçao‎, from the St Vincent / Barbados direction.

    http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-68.9455/centery:12.07917/zoom:8/mmsi:354993000

  • Victoria Pandora

    Did this get posted?
    It’s quite bizarre if you don’t know the background. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9316ccfe2b7681495d9915a98915ef412c83d3e148f273db286e0448b4c0b0ac.png

    Don’t forget, it STARST at 11 am!!

    • gtsix

      I do like how it imples the NOI is also a gang.

    • BronxLaurie10

      Was this just held at at Scientology building or was the cult involved at all? I’m thinking that since the NOI was involved, Scientology said – “Hey use our community center”. Then Scientology can take credit for the whole thing.

    • Hur Hur!

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    “(Joey) A gay man told by this father that his homosexuality could be “handled” by Scientology………”
    Let’s get a few things “straight” here:
    – Of course there is no successful therapy whatsoever to “cure” a person of his/her homosexuality.
    – $cientology is the worst cult ever, the T-rex of cults, evil and criminal to the bones and the skull.

    I think Joey was very lucky to have such a good attorney. The sentencing memorandum Ms. Germano wrote should have helped Joey in his defence and this is also a true exposure of the $cientology abuses.

    I’m happy Joey broke away from the cult and has started a new life.
    I wish Joey lots of luck!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I just worry that Scientology is all he has known – and now prison. Frying pan/fire, and I’m unsure which is worse. What sort of access will he have to talk therapy in prison? There’s a real risk he will return to the familiar once he is released. Can we organise a visiting roster? 🙂

      • Robert Eckert

        There’s a boyfriend who wants to marry him. Let’s hope he is loyal.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          That’s really good to know.

      • Observer

        He will probably be in a minimum security prison, which will still be no picnic, but he’ll likely be in with white-collar offenders rather than hardened criminals.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Can one send books to inmates in such prisons? Maybe he’d like to pass the time with TUML, BFG, BFM, Blue Sky, and so on…

          • Susan black

            This is such a good idea.

          • Liberated

            I think you can, depends on security level of the institution, and I’m sure it’s not easy, but what a kind thought. Check it out, and let me know. I would love to contribute too.
            You’re OK, Assman.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Me too! Bibliotherapy can be very effective, especially in settings like prison, where it’s boring as hell and many who are literate end up spending lots of their free time doing a whole lot of reading.

              Anyone who was also raised in the cult, attended cult-affiliated indoctrination schools and had the misfortune to sign up for the C-orgy at such a young age might be particularly effective in opening a conversation with him about his similar experiences. That would be even more true of anyone whose sexual orientation also caused them to be stigmatized and abused by those in authority while in the church.

              Cult self-deprogramming isn’t an easy task or one that’s accomplished overnight, but with a year to contemplate the totality of his upbringing and choices at a pivotal moment in his life like this, it might just be the best thing that could happen to him…that is, if he’s not further brutalized by the penal system itself.

              I’ve known a few individuals who’ve been incarcerated for extended periods and everyone of them that I kept in touch with made it a point to let me know how much they appreciated my letters and phone calls after their release.

            • Liberated

              I’m with you.

        • Science Doc

          They might send him to Taft outside Bakersfield. It’s privately run, supposed to be not so bad as these places go. The gay son of an old acquaintance survived six years there.

        • flyonthewall

          he should watch a lot of Orange is the New Black so he’s prepared

  • Robert Ramsay

    Judith was bang on. Suppressed Independent thought = CofS. I feel very sorry for Joey in that he was in so young so he never really had a chance. Probably a blessing that his father has been side lined. Not that I would wish that on anyone.

  • dchoiceisalwaysrs

    I would like to see the pre-sentencing investigation report referred to in Ms. Germano’s memorandum. As I understand it looked into both the ‘conditions and behaviour of the cherch as well as the Sea Org.
    I would also like to stress that the scientology entity lawyers have submitted that the Sea Org is not a legal entity which the ‘churches’ and CSI, RTC are, thus the Sea Org cannot be called into court nor be held accountable as an entity…which is complete and utter BS used to sidestep the law.
    ( I suppose ISIS also not a legal entity and therefor also not to be found culpable for any of its illegal activities)

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Is the Bunker a legal entity? Can we be held accountable for our crimes against Marty Mark?

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        I don’t think I have the rank to answer those questions.

      • Juicer77

        SUCH A PINCH!!!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      You make an excellent point!

      If Sea Org membership, as documented by the signing of the infamous billion contract, is still required to be an employee of any of the cherch’s many different branches, then regardless of the obfuscatory legal tactics and maneuvers that are utilized AFTER THE FACT by $cn’s lawyers in order to avoid culpability, the practical reality of its existence is demonstrated in every minute of every day through the command structure that’s implemented by the vast hierarchy of minions under DM’s direct control.

      And unless those super nifty uniforms, replete with rank-indicating insignia, are just put on at Halloween, then I’m a BT’s BT if that doesn’t provide direct evidence of the Sea Org’s existence as an actual command structure within the cherch at its very highest level of control!

      You can bet your ‘eternity’ that if a regular non-Sea Org staff member showed up at one of their regular ‘sheep shearing’ events wearing the same get up as DM there would be near infinite hell to pay as a consequence. But if the Sea Org doesn’t actually exist, and therefore, any insignia of rank is also meaningless, then why wouldn’t the uniform just have the same status and unrestricted access to wear as, say, a clown costume or Elvis impersonator get up?

      Impersonating a law enforcement officer or member of the uniformed military is unlawful because the uniform and insignia indicate legal authority and designated level of command over others, which is exactly how you see folks of lower rank within the Sea Org behaving towards members of senior rank.

  • flyonthewall

    There’s a link to a Village Voice article on page 10 in the docu. That’s neat

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I can’t wait for the day Scientology is gone and all of Tony’s work is archived somewhere as Encyclopedia Ortega. 😀

      • Scott H

        ooh ooh ooh can I do it? With my sizzling wit and piquant turn of the adverbial phrase I would make a top notch and impartial editor. Okay, maybe not the latter.

      • Liberated

        And he gets the Pulitzer for investigative journalism like he deserves.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Totally, totally OT, but it looks like the conventioneers are arriving in Cleveland!!!

    (refresh) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/29e4ad3aac46a7434392451f86fb0bcf42f21d51397574c454cc21a2804042b7.jpg

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Hilarious! Thanks for the comic relief. Now let’s hope that they’re as stupid as they look and forgot to pack their firearms with them;)

      I have a feeling that all these states, such as Ohio, who passed ‘open carry’ laws are going to have occasion to reconsider the wisdom of that move pretty darn quick, if they haven’t already.

  • Skabetti

    I’m always amazed (but shouldn’t be) at the sense of entitlement scientologists feel. And they feel entitled to entitlement because that’s what their “religion” teaches. Not love, not compassion, not helping others. Entitlement.

    • Liberated

      Their sense of entitlement is truly pathalogical.

    • gtsix

      Their sense of superiority is headsmackingly hilarious:
      Scientology when it was itself made us less idiots, and we had a sense of superiority which was warranted,

      From a comment at http://www.mikerindersblog.org/gag-ii-for-ots/

  • Pg. 10: “Joey was forced to sign this agreement in a windowless room, while being videotaped,and the document was notarized by the senior Sea Org ethics officer.”

    I have the feeling that violates the rules for licensed public notaries. *shrug* Just more hoodoo to add to the bad mojo of breaking the Sea Org curse contract.

  • Gerard Plourde

    Judge Oetken has given an example of excellent judicial temperment in this sentence. While the crime is serious, the defendant before him was a low-level functionary in the scheme who showed remorse by accepting responsibility and pleading guilty. Ample evidence was presented that further mitigated his culpability. We at the bunker know full well of the truly evil treatment to which Sea Org members are subjected. To this is added the intolerance toward gay people mandated by Hubbard’s tone scale and the abuse it would also have occasioned. We should hope that this tragedy will provide an opportunity for Joey to begin to heal. It is good news that he is receiving therapy and is planning on marriage.

    As for Izzy, it appears that karma caught up with him before the legal system did.

  • Fink Jonas

    I don’t like poachers either but I almost feel sorry for Joey I totally relate to living under the power and authority of that cult, he is a victim too, I like the way is attorney describes the cult; “is an internally violent cult”

  • Just a hunch, but I don’t think lawyer Judith H. Germano will be getting many Scientologist clients from now on.

  • Mrs. V.

    Just read the Sentencing Memorandum. That’s some damning information about scientology going on the record.

    And I’m glad to see that Joey is trying to move on with his life. Getting his GED, therapy, etc. Good for him.

    • “Joey went to Scientology schools, and at 18 joined the Sea Org.”

      I guess we can blame Applied Scholastics for the lack of a high school diploma, rather than the Sea Org.

      • Mrs. V.

        Yes, Applied Scholastics will do nothing for you except cause clay to get under your fingernails.

        • If he’d gone into the Sea Org as a minor, they probably would have arranged one of those instant GEDs (to bypass labor laws).

          • Mrs. V.

            I thought the same thing. Hopefully this way he’s getting some sort of an education.

  • Sunny Sands

    There’s an online article about Izzy and Mary Ann Chait, including pictures by Denice Duff, from 2014.

    http://westsidepeoplemag.com/2014/05/izzy-chait-gallery-auctions-beverly-hills/

    Here’s an interesting quote from wife Mary Ann:
    “The pair’s three sons are also involved overseeing various departments.

    “Izzy is very strict and they were raised to do the right thing,” Mary Ann said. “They did not get away with much. We used to drag them to China several times a year and do research projects when they got yanked out of school.””

    • Funny. The article doesn’t mention the whole Nic Cage T-Rex scandal. But, then again, the other articles are about Marianne Williamson and UCLA’s Healing Pets.

  • 0tessa

    Trading in endangered rhinos and elephants? Just for money? Full sentence. No attenuation. Come on, this man is 38 years of age, not a teenager or young adult. Spending some years in the Sea Org as a VIP kid from rich parents – and I should have pity?
    People who have no mercy with the last elephant or any other wildlife for that matter – there’s no excuse. Sorry.

  • If only Izzy had listened more carefully when “They” said “You never know who the devil is, unless you really know who the devil is. Trading in endangered animal parts is despicable, so don’t do it. Oh, and don’t give your kid to the Sea Org. Got that Izzy?”

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Is it my imagination, or does Izzy Chait have actual fangs???

    (refresh) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ca6f5654503d8d0357ad9b1cdad55413a929aef10a990ec063fd02818cfc0224.jpg

    • He does look a bit like The Count. OT one! (Mah ha ha) OT two! (Mah ha ha) OT three (Mah ha ha) . . .

  • Oddly enough … although he is taking accountability … this reads like confessions I’ve read here from folks on the RPF or in lower ethics who are taking on not only their failings but also the failings of their superiors without calling out the superiors for fear of further reprisal:

    I knew that it was wrong to falsify customs forms, and I knew that some of our international buyers were taking these pieces of art out of the country without the proper permits. I kept my mouth shut when I knew it was wrong, and I broke the law.

    It bothered me at the time, and it continues to bother me today. I should have said something. I should have stood up to my father and spoke my mind. I should not have made false statements on those shipping forms or turned a blind eye when I knew carvings that buyers purchased at our art gallery would be taken out of the country. If only I had listened to my own judgments, instead of following the orders I was given, I would not be standing before you for sentencing.

    While I agree that poachers are bad, I’d suggest that parents who do this type of thing to their own children are even lower.

    Although Izzy might claim that it’s Joey’s fault for choosing him as a father.

    Pardon me while I hurl.

    • UhLasare

      ^^^

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Mon Elle – so well put! I felt the same – thankful he took responsibility but thinking, as a parent, who’d EVER put their child in this position?!?! Plus it made me sad to see that he got the year in prison vs previous offenders who did much worse that got off with little or no time behind bars. Likely making an example, but just sad to me for him. Very cool that one of the letters was from Karen! I wondered who all spoke up since they were redacted. Made me smile to see all this in a court filing!

  • (((dagobarbz)))

    Hah! The Game got gamed!

    Sad about Izzy. Not that he wasn’t a hateful little shit who deserved a bit of karma…but now we can add him to the list of OTs dying or dead of cancer because cause over MEST is an illusion.

    • Kestrel

      He must have missed a word somewhere.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    I heard a lot about that “gang summit” over the weekend. The lead was that Snoop Dogg declined to attend. And The Game got in a lot of sound bites. But until this morning I heard not a single word that it was at the Scientology community center in South LA. (South Central is no longer used, don’t you know.)

    • Bobby Tolberto aka TDA

      I worked in the South Bay Area next door to that, Gardena/Lawndale, about 30 years ago. It was bad then and it’s bad now(S.C., not SBA). That was a wild ride. Late one night, I was on the 405 and passed the wreckage of a car on fire like you almost never see IRL.

  • 0tessa

    A cleared cannibal is a cleared cannibal.
    A cleared endangered species trader is a cleared endangered species trader.
    To use Scientology lingo.

  • Scientology, making it worse for over 60 years!

    • Missionary Kid

      $cientology: making life hell for over 60 years if you leave.

  • Poor Joey; if he’s getting married, at least he’s found true love at last, got out from under his loathsome father’s thumb—and stopped making the old tired clammish 1.1 excuses… (With thanks to the Very Venerable Anne Olde-Joake): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/26773ad4a56ac87beca9d88e565b3b87acd2725aea2b14793650e786a38cec99.jpg

    • Scott H

      ^^win^^

    • Ella Raitch

      Sweeeet

  • Scientology: The Coolest Religion On Earth Don’t Screw Up The Sale!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      That’s pretty much perfect!

      • glad you like it! is there any room on your bumper for this sticker?

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I’ll make room. I’ll put it next to my “Eve Was Framed” bumper sticker. (OK, I don’t actually have that one anymore. But I did, for a long time.)

          • sweet action. i just need Obs to whip up the appropriate, non-trademark violating artwork *wink, wink, nudge, nudge* and i’ll see what i can do 😉

  • Liberated

    What a sad story, go to church and get beaten up and interrogated everyday just because he was different.
    Poor guy never had a chance. I wish him nothing but the best from here on out.
    I mean can a year in prison really be that much worse than his life in the SO?

    • Missionary Kid

      At least he’ll get to sleep.

      • gtsix

        With one eye open, anyway.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Really sad! But it sounds like dad, the $cn upstat criminal and homophobe, is physically and mentally incapacitated to the point of no longer being able to control, coerce and abuse his son…which is a good thing!

      Hopefully, concerned ex-$cn’s and other anti-cult activists will stay in touch with Joey while he serves his time and get the full story of his life of indentured servitude and abuse under both his father’s and the cherch’s control.

      Being in jail for a lengthy period often has the effect of giving a person lots of uninterrupted time to contemplate the past, while also serving to make clear who your true friends and loyal family members actually are. This is a story that combines a lot of different elements in it that deserve to be brought to light and made public.

      • Liberated

        Well said, maybe some of us can figure out a way to contribute and help this poor soul, I would love to. Let me know of anything you can think of.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Will do! Finding out where he’ll be serving his sentence and when it will start would be good follow-up to post when that info becomes available.

          Jail time, for as brutally horrible as it can be for many, has often proved very helpful to many ‘white collar’ criminals in turning their lives around. Given the circumstances of his life leading up to his sentencing, it sounds like he might be at a very opportune juncture to do just that.

          And the reported fact that he’s planning on being married (presumably to another gay man) would seem to indicate that he’s at least begun the process of self-assertion and self-determinism that, once you start down that road, is very hard to stop until you’ve reached its end.

          After all, once you have an epiphany like, “I AM gay and there’s nothing wrong with being who I am,” it’s very difficult to NOT have that realization 😉

          Like Elron said, “What is true for you is what you have observed yourself. And when you lose that, you have lost everything.”

          And getting it back after you’ve lost it often requires the compassionate and supportive help of others, and NOT the further intervention into your life of those who helped take it away from you to begin with!

  • Roger Larsson

    Different lives exist:

    A YES
    A NO

    To $cientology.

  • chukicita

    Just to let the Bunker know, I’m voluntarily offline to focus on a project for a week or so. I won’t be able to snark for awhile, but I didn’t want anyone to worry.

    • flyonthewall

      thnx for heads up, hope the project goes well

    • Missionary Kid

      Who are you? Never seen you before.. 😛

      Seriously, good luck on the project. I’ll miss you.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Good luck on the project, and hurry back. The Bunker Snark-o-Meter won’t be the same without you.

    • beauty for ashes

      Ooh sounds exciting! and voluntarily offline for a week? Good for you! Kick that projects ass! 🙂

    • ReallyMGM

      Hoping you are back soon. I’ve been in and out myself because of work/volunteer projects lately. Life happens.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hurry back when you are ready. And have a good time in CLEVELAND…!

      (We won’t tell anyone your guilty secret.)

    • grab one of these on the way out http://www.snarktuners.com/
      and please make sure you’re still in tune before you hit the stage with us for the next Big Show when you get back ;D

    • Juicer77

      Best of success on your project! See you when you get back. 🙂

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Good luck! We’ll save your seat.

    • J. Swift

      Chucky, you can’t take a leave of absence from the Bunker unless you first find and train a replacement for yourself. As your services are irreplaceable to the Bunker Org, your leave of absence is denied.

    • Enturbulated Masterbator

      Just remember, KSW. Best wishes and snarking to be continued!

  • So, Allfrauddie’s actually back in LA now, not skulking a continent away from the scene of his and Hanan’s crimes? Well, well, well… (Renewed feeling on the nape of your neck there’s somebody following you): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ac20444264d6c439a36938d89b592e4fb8139fe23beab2d7da7c3c190e8d6483.jpg

      • Snortle! 🙂

    • Liberated

      The important question is ,” where’s his freakin jet-ski”?

      • Hanan Islam ate it.

    • Wait until he needs to know the time and realises his watch has gone.

      • After the friendly game of ‘Find the Lady’…

    • J. Swift

      Looks like the Rev. Dr. Johnson took a break from being an international businessman based in Clearwater to put on his preacher’s collar for the Scientology Cult’s scammy “Peace” event in Inglewood.

      I wonder if the Rev. Dr. Johnson, his partner Dr. Hanan Islam, and their son Dr. Rizza took any time out to investigate new business opportunities here in Los Angeles? With New OT VIII Izzy Chait out of commission, these Scientology entrepreneurs are certainly in a position to make a move on Izzy’s rhino horn business.

      • Quite—apart from covert watch removal and the three-card trick, they might indeed try gaining pecuniary advantage from the vending of antique cordage—rather like what Ima Cheat Izzy Chait was doing anyway.

  • pluvo

    Izzy and Mary Ann Chait, who made it both till OT8, were frequently on the Freewinds. This and with all of Joey’s training and auditing was expensive:

    Mary Anne Chait: http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/m/mary-anne-chait.html.
    Izzy Chait: http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/i/is-chait.html
    Joey Chait: http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/j/joey-chait.html
    He also did the “FALSE PURPOSE RD SECOND DYNAMIC FORM”. Looks like to handle his homosexuality.

  • flyonthewall

    Joey’s lawyer sounds very competent…and expensive. His family must have paid for him. Considering how he laid a big bag of flaming thetan poop on Scientology’s doorstep with the entheta and enemy lines in Joey’s defense, does this mean the Chait family is out of the cult?

    • Kestrel

      Not if they a) Still have money to “donate” and b) disconnect from that PTS/SP.

      • flyonthewall

        Yeah maybe. I’d be surprised if they were still in and agreed to this strategy of his though. Seems like that would be a red line.

        • Kestrel

          He can’t make money and donate it if he’s in prison. If the strategy results in a short sentence, he can be “able” to produce again sooner.

  • Justin Castillo

    There goes the Delphi L.A. reunion.

  • William Martin

    A heart attack and hard time for your kid…EP for Oat Tee ate. If that scuzzy old dude came up to me at the airport, I’d call a cop (or give him a buck for some more Tokay).

    • Scott H

      My thoughts exactly.

  • Elizabeth Lavet

    Doesn’t Scientology have a prison outreach of some kind? Criminon. I hope they leave the man alone.

  • Kay

    Does anyone have any ideas on this? Someone keeps calling me from a cell phone from Florida. I dont answer numbers I don’t recognize, and they haven’t left a message. I did a reverse search today finallly and the person calling is on a cell phone from Clearwater, Florida. I don’t know anyone in Florida, much less Clearwater. I have gotten some abusve stuff online related to the CoS. The address connected with the phone is on Park Boulevard….I don’t want to post the exact address, but does the CoS own property on Park Blvd? This doesn’t particularly concern me, I am just wondering about any information regarding that particular street or area.

    • Jimmy3

      The other day I met someone wearing a Clearwater Beach t-shirt. He was very friendly… almost too friendly… I waited til he left, walked to my local church, set my hair on fire and called several different police stations.

      • flyonthewall

        shouldn’t you be protesting the RNC about now?

        • Kay

          He already has….didn’t you see them throwing that guy into the paddy wagon who had a green shamrock t-shirt on with a “Call me” baseball cap on his head?

        • Jimmy3

          No. I don’t want to be on Fox News. Then that creepy old man will demand sexual favors from me.

          • Kay

            But hey….there’s Megan Kelly too.

          • flyonthewall

            found you. f5

          • Eh if you aren’t into that you should cancel your trip to my house too.

      • Kay

        LOL !!!!!
        I’m not worried at all about anything happening to me, I just think it’s a little odd that whoever it is keeps calling. The number isn’t listed on the national fraud/scam site, so it’s just probably someone who has my number wrong and keeps calling me for some reason. Maybe they’re just lonely…..laugh.

        • Liberated

          I don’t know, you can’t be too careful, we know what they’re capable of.

          • Kay

            Very true…on second thought I won’t call them back, you’re right.

        • Elizabeth Lavet

          I usually figure if they don’t leave a message they did not really want to get hold of me or don’t really know me personally. I peg those people as someone selling something, someone that cannot afford to tip me off about who is calling, someone without the ability to receive my call back to them, which usually means a telemarketer, someone in prison, or someone who does not have a phone to be called back on.. Even those without a phone can leave a message that they will call back and why they want to talk to you.

          • Kay

            True

    • Science Doc

      Some of the WISE businesses do a lot of telemarketing out of Clearwater. Like that energy reseller.

      • Kay

        Oh, OK. I just don’t have a good idea of what is in Clearwater other than Scientology. It always sounds like the whole area is the cherch and nothing but the cherch. I’m of no interest to them anyway. At least the number calling didn’t say “Potemkin Village” laugh

        • Science Doc

          No, WISE is the small business arm of Scientology. Usually scammers with bad reputations on ripoff reports, etc. you are right to be concerned.

          • Kay

            OK…that makes sense, thanks !!

    • Skabetti

      If you have the address, you can try google maps to see if it’s a big building or a house or…an aquarium.

      • Kay

        Aquarium….LOL !! I hadn’t thought of google maps….I will go look right now.

        • ReallyMGM

          Or a roadside alligator farm.

          • Kay

            OK….I did google maps. It is listed as an LLC Property Management company (no company name, just that it is a property management company) …that is even odder to me since hey I live out West and don’t need any property managed in Florida. It’s probably just a mistake on their part, but it’s interesting since they won’t leave a message whereas most businesses certainly leave phone messages. Oh well…I think I will just block the number.

            • Science Doc

              Could be telemarketers.

            • Are you sure you wouldn’t like some swamp-front property?

            • Liberated

              Swamps are against my religion.

            • Kay

              How fun !! Love me some alligators and snakes….NOT ! shivers

            • Kay

              OK….this is sort of interesting. I did some more digging…..this is a “non-residential property management company” that is based in a small mall. The business makes less than 100K per year (how much less is not listed…it could be any amount below 100K) and has 1 to 2 employees, both in their early 20’s. The business has been at that location since 2008 with no increase in income, net worth, or number of employees. hmmmmmm

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Wanna get in on the ground floor of a hand cream empire?

            • Liberated

              Sounds to me like a big fat scam, and the fact it’s Clearwater, trust your instincts, it’s gotta be the cult.

            • Kay

              Yup I agree….look at the info below that I found. Sounds like some kind of scam with a “management company ” as the front.

    • Kay

      Hey guys….does anyone know what a VoIP phone is? The phone number that keeps calling me is listed as a VoIP phone. I looked up VoIP but still don’t quite get it….it has something to do with changing vocal conversations to digitized ones that can then go over the internet if I’m understanding what I read correctly. I promise I’m not obsessed over this issue…it’s just that in digging further there are really odd things….one of them being that they are calling from an office in a “dead mall” that only has a handful of merchants left.

      • Robert Eckert

        This is the major company that offers this. You pay for the equipment but then have to pay almost nothing for the phone calls. A friend of mine used it for a while; it was OK but sounded a little like he was calling from the bottom of a swimming pool:
        http://www.magicjack.com/index.html

        • Kay

          Ooohh…..so they are going the major cheap route? Well I found a video of the “dead mall” they are ostensibly calling from…it’s nine miles from Clearwater. Pretty entertaining I’d say.
          https://youtu.be/0r_LXfIfwm8

          • FredEX2

            It’s also harder to trace or eavesdrop when someone uses VoIP.

            • Kay

              That’s really interesting. I had just never heard of it before…makes sense if you don’t want to be monitored or found, that’s for sure. I thought the address being in the middle of a ghost mall was amusing.

          • Robert Eckert

            This was an important place in their lives.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zK_44APmbY

      • FredEX2

        I know an OSA who lived in Clearwater area who called me often… for years…using a VoIP phone thru the Internet. It doesn’t cost that way and doesn’t show up as a regular call. Could look like an Internet dial-up as if logging onto the Internet and not talking on the phone I am pretty sure…not certain tho. Wouldn’t answer it. Or if you choose to, put it on speaker in the presence of a friend or family as a witness. ( if it is Scientology )

        • Kay

          Good advice….thanks !

          • FredEX2

            I learned a long time ago whenever dealing with OSA always have a witness if at all possible, or record the communication and document date, time, person and what was said.

            • Kay

              I think that’s a really good idea.

            • Scream Nevermore

              Or answer it and blow a couple of blasts on a whistle down the phone. That puts most anonymous callers off!

            • Kay

              I have an electronic keyboard with tons of instruments on it including a REALLY loud whistle that I can crank way up and hold the receiver up to….that’ll learn ’em.

      • Voice Over Internet Protocol (VOIP) is the system that Skype uses – voice calls using the Internet as the medium of transmission. There’s not a lot of difference between the way that calls that go through the ‘phone company and VOIP now – it’s all electronically switched.

        VOIP is cheaper, so that’s probably why operations which rely on cold calling use it.

        • Kay

          Sounds logical, I had just never heard of it before.

    • To summarize, VoIP, or voice-over internet protocol is a commonly used telephone landline alternative. You can get a line like this from every major phone company and cable company these days. The fact that it is a VoIP line gives us even less information than if it was a landline, because despite what you’re seeing, the person using that number could be calling from anywhere. Like I said, VoIP is extremely common, so I wouldn’t give any credence or put any special emphasis on that fact.

      It is distressing that the call is coming from Clearwater, considering. I would say it’s worth answering or calling back to get more information. It’s not like the matrix is going to download you through your phone. You can just ask some questions and hang up if you don’t like what you hear! Or feel free to post the number on here and one of us will call for you.

      • Kay

        OK….I will give it a try. My next door neighbor has a landline, which won’t give anyone access to data like using a cell phone will. I go over there and call and be back in a few.

        • Alright, let us know how it goes!

          • Kay

            OK I’m back….that was easy, she was on her porch with her portable telephone. I called the number, also had her verify and call the incoming number from Clearwater on my cell phone, both of us got a recording that says, “You have reached a non-working number, 14 switch 94 dash one” (whatever that means) Hmmmm

            • Strange, indeed!

            • Kay

              I know…creepsville. I looked back through my phone and I’ve gotten about one call per day from the same number. I think I will register a complaint with my phone provider. They are pretty sneaky…the phone number comes up as an an actual corporation that is legally registered as an LLC in Clearwater, but the corporation’s address is actually the address of the deserted mall in the video below. Someone has a sense of humor I guess.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i got a few of those last month …it was a place telling me about time shares and cruise lines . If you google the phone number …you can see if others have received calls from that number and complained about it .

            • Kay

              I did google it……it was not on any lists for scams, fraud, telemarketers, etc. No one else has complained about it. The only thing I found was the city, address and business attached to the phone number when I did a reverse search.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              You can probably block the number on your phone, then if they call again (from the same number) your phone won’t ring.

              Problem solved.

            • Kay

              Done !! Now I’ll see if they call from another Clearwater number. They’re probably just run of the mill scammers who look like they are calling from Clearwater, although that number has not been reported by anyone yet. We shall see I guess.

            • Kay

              Of course…I thought I DID detect some condensed breath with a weird green tint coming through the receiver whilst the caller breathed heavily…it stopped when I yelled “Cut that OUT Jimmy 3 or I’ll tell FLY on you !! “

            • Qbird

              Robocalls ~ the scammer’s delight.
              Your only defense is to not answer & block the #’s, all of ’em
              no matter how many #’s they spoof.
              Make your CID work for you.
              If no message is left, you then know it’s not an important call.
              I believe most cell phones come with the ability to block numbers.
              There’s apps for that too. 🙂
              Know this: if you answer, no matter if it’s dead air or a recording or a for real live scammer person trying to sell you something or get information out of you,
              you have shown the robo system that you are a real live human being.
              And they will throw your # back into the system or sell it to other scammers.
              Answering the call is the bait. Don’t take it.
              I’ve blocked, since Feb ’16 — 167 phone #’s so far on my landline.

            • Kay

              P.S. I just called Verizon. They said those numbers probably indicate that the caller has blocked any incoming calls. That means they can keep calling me, but I can’t return their calls. How convenient for them.

            • ze moo

              Many telemarketers use number spoofing to hide their actual location. You may have been spared a {say it in an Indian accent}, ‘Hello I am Barry and I am calling from Windows’….

            • Kay

              Laugh. I had someone from Mumbai call me last year and tell me that “your PC is in great danger and we need to fix it immediately over the internet.” I ruined his day when I said “I don’t use PC’s only Mac products.” He was pretty upset, poor guy.

            • JJ

              I had not thought of that. I have tried answering the phone in French and Spanish. That gets a quick hang up. One of these days I think I will answer: ” You’ve reached The Spokane Police Department how may I direct you call?” In a very authoritative voice and see if that gets us off the list. I asked my bother, he’s a police officer in town, says it is legal. One call the guy actually threatened my mother. Isn’t that a bit o much?

            • Scream Nevermore

              My dad answers the phone with stuff like ‘city morgue’ or ‘CID’.

            • Kay

              He threatened your MOTHER ???? That is just beyond horrible, plus it’s a crime, but what can you do when they are overseas. I had a customer service guy from Bangladesh start crying on the phone, which startled me…he was just sobbing. I asked him if I could do anything for him, and he said “yes will you please pray for me right now.” I said “sure I will.” I wasn’t even sure who to pray to since he was probably Hindu, so I made my prayer generic, as in “To the supreme maker of us all” and he seemed to feel better. That was my oddest telemarketer experience ever.

            • Linux in my case. Great fun.

            • Qbird

              If you want to see a brilliant troll / take down on The PC Virus SCAM
              you may check out Troy Hunt on uTube ~ https://youtu.be/kjKjyMKj3n4

              This one is over an hour, but, if you want to see exactly how this scam works, it’s worth a look/see. I like how honest & fair this Aussie is when he confronts the scammer outright.
              BTW, this exact scam exists in the USA… same scam, different accent. Buyer beware.

            • I used a get a lot of them (and in the UK, too).

              They would get incredibly pushy about my following their instructions so that I could ‘remove a virus’ from my computer (“do you not want your computer to works, sir? We are trying to help you here””). Of course, they really wanted to switch on remote access to teal passwords and the like.

              It used to be fun to tell them what was on my screen and trying to follow those instructions. The best bit was telling them that I was using a Linux computer after wasting their time for 5 minutes.

            • Scream Nevermore

              Yeah, that’s what I do. Tho once when the guy told me to open Windows, I walked around the living room opening and shutting the windows. Scammer was not amused!

    • Kay

      OK…..after following all of your guy’s excellent advice and getting good information from you, including what a VoIP phone is, I blocked the number from my phone, reported the number to the phone company, etc. No sooner had I done that than….voila !!!! Another call from a different phone in Clearwater !!! I have decided that in light of this development, I am going to install a new answering machine….see picture below.

      P.S. I am not nervous about this or worried per se..it has just been very interesting trying to track these nincompoops down, whoever they are.

      • Qbird

        *snort* Is this the party to whom I am speaking?!

        • Kay

          Laugh !!!

  • nottrue

    I bet Scientology is still trying to sell Izzy services. For sure donations

    • MaxSpaceman

      Didn’t Scientology hope to cash in big with recruitment in the Music Biz, back in the day, with his band…

      Thin Izzy ?

      • Bleuler

        Yup, but then another artist did the L-rundown before him!

    • Observer

      Or suggesting he end cycle to pick up another meat sack and meanwhile prepay the bridge for his next cycle.

    • See Karen’s post subsequent to yours.

    • Liberated

      From what Karen says, they’re love bombin’ the Mrs.

      • Elizabeth Lavet

        That would make a lot of sense, she is super vulnerable right now.

        • Liberated

          And rich.

  • It is a tragic story.
    Thank you for the good journalism Tony.
    I was a friend to the Chaits for decades.
    I attended all 3 boys bar mitzvahs and watched them grow up from kids to young men.
    Izzy put on HUGE parties with 5 star menus in Beverly Hills in Millionaire style.
    Izzie and Marty-Ann gave millions and millions and millions to the Cult.
    But it was protested. Many a time they confided how relentless the Cult
    was and no matter how many millions previously donated, it was never enough.
    MORE money was demanded.
    Both did every spiritual action up to OT VIII.
    BUT
    Instead of becoming a super human being, or at least a more healthy human being
    Izzie gets a stroke.
    Auditors have been sent to his home, after all he was a mega-donor.

    He kicks them out refusing any more Scientology techniques.
    Mary-Ann is being pampered at AOLA (Advanced Org Los Angeles) where she gets almost daily auditing currently.
    I wrote to the Judge on behalf of Joey.
    I was on fire and I made it a leather bound edition.
    I told the judge what happened when born into it all with no other life and especially covered the hazing of homophobia. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2b74b88a9d8f9cf114c1356a282051c85fe76d9710e12351bf7f46f8e20e977a.jpg
    So after doing all the levels and millions donated, Izzy the OT VIII gets a stroke and wants no more Scientology counseling.
    A true testament of a Scientology Inc story. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/88f72df8a25152c700a9665ef81b9c64acb2c9f7ff0df6598c4fed9cdb487acb.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b9b1b0e421cb84ccc325214e89d98e5177d34568ebe69c98794069a020672b0d.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b9b1b0e421cb84ccc325214e89d98e5177d34568ebe69c98794069a020672b0d.jpg

    • Liberated

      You’re a pretty special person, Karen!

    • ReallyMGM

      I agree, Karen. VERY good reporting by Tony. Thank you for your insight into this story too.

    • Kay

      Good for you for writing to the Judge !!! You rock Karen.

    • Mrs. V.

      Wonderful insight, Karen. Thank you for sharing.

    • Izzy Chait was the main funder of Inglewood Ideal Org and Harlem Ideal org, huge money to Super Power Building, Huge money to IAS, Huge money to Freewinds. The Cult hit on him relentlessly,
      It is almost a Shakespeare tragedy…he has achieved OT 8, and is done, family falling apart in disconnection while Izzy has dementia.
      BUT
      The money is in the coffers of the Cult and Scientology Inc owns the Real Estate and takes the glory of the “Ideal Orgs” for which Izzy coughed up $$$$ for from the Chait gallery business.

      • Kay

        Hey Karen….I have always wondered about David Miscavage’s seemingly increasing mania involving buying building after building, which will all probably fall into disrepair, will certainly not be adequately staffed, and will eventually become an eyesore for the communities they are in. The money isn’t coming in fast enough to reburbish buildings all over the world. I would think if he had a brain in his head he would dial it back a notch as he controls the money. Do you think his grandiosity has taken the reins over any common sense or fear of failure? Is he just nuts? Does he think this will turn things around? Or is he just a building hoarder? It just seems so strange to me, so I wondered if you had any thoughts about it. (that’s if you feel like sharing them…if not I understand)

        • pluvo

          Mike Rinder wrote an article about “Why Ideal Orgs?” and explains the reasons if you are interested:
          http://www.mikerindersblog.org/why-ideal-orgs/

          • Kay

            Thanks Pluvo !!! I will most certainly read this as I have never understood Miscavage’s reasoning behind this.

            • UhLasare

              Psst.. Spoiler alert – It’s mostly about money. 😀 Shocking, I know!

            • Kay

              I’m shocked…shocked I tell you !!! LOL

            • Just a hunch but I doubt you are stupid, greedy, narcissistic, myopic, or [fill in the diatribe] enough to understand him.

              Just sayin’.

        • The Ideal Orgs are an ILLUSION of EXPANSION.
          These buildings are lined with ornate granite, imported Italian chandeliers, a mixture of the Bellagio, MGM Grand and a Saudi King Palace.

          One of the LIES and SPIN of the Cult is that there is such high demand
          for Scientology that they are almost FORCED to open huge mega Ideal Orgs
          !
          The Truth is that they hit one whale who coughs up MOST of the money for the new Ideal Org. Bob Duggan, Billionaire funds the South African Ideal orgs. Tony Ortega covered the Bob Duggan story.
          Mexican high roller Marcus Salame Mexico city was regged for $5 million for Ideal AO Mexico. It is still
          lying there derelict YEARS later. $10 million is needed for RENOS !
          Here’s the Mexican whale..

      • aegerprimo

        This story is a tragedy. Thank you for sharing Karen. People need to know about the tragedy that Scientology is to people’s lives who are so involved.

      • aquaclara

        Thanks, Karen. Great comments. I can’t even imagine this kind of life, but you have a solid perspective on this.

        When I read Tony’s column, I felt so bad for Joey Chait. He was essentially a slave to both his father and Scientology. Now, the criminal behavior, yes, horrifying. But how awful that a son of an important businessman is viewed as nothing more than a slave.

        Nice perspective, judge. This was a hard call, but that’s because we don’t expect to find this kind of abuse right here in America.

      • RandomSP

        Scientology panders to Blacks? What an unfortunate choice of words.

        pan·der
        ˈpandər/
        verb
        3rd person present: panders
        1.
        gratify or indulge (an immoral or distasteful desire, need, or habit or a person with such a desire, etc.).
        “newspapers are pandering to people’s baser instincts”

      • Wog

        Scientology ~ the science of creating criminals since 1950

    • aegerprimo

      Wow.

    • Robert Ramsay

      “He kicks them out refusing any more Scientology technique.”

      Now he is truly aware.

      • Lady Squash

        Maybe he sees the light.

    • Linda Clement

      Karen, your YouTube channel and its many stories are what drew me to learn about scientology. In doing so I have learned not only about a lot of heroic people, I have learned that I need to live my life less selfishly. You have my deepest gratitude, up to the last moment of my life.

    • indie8million

      Karen. I have been friends with Izzy for years also. He is a musician and LOVES Jazz and the Blues. I don’t know his background but you have seen his love of music. No wonder he was keen to donate to the Inglewood org, etc.
      Even though he’s being made out as the bad guy here, I have always known him to be gentle, caring and creative.
      I gasped when I read about his heart attack. He was a go getter from the word “go” and never seemed to stop. I’m so sad to hear about his current condition.
      Again, the target for ridicule isn’t the Scientologist that has been taken advantage of, but the cobra of the Church, squeezing the life out of him.
      I hope you are reading this now, Izzy. There is love out here for you. Come on out. The water’s fine. Maybe we can do some tunes.
      PS: You are such a crusader for humanity, Karen. Thank you for standing up for that young man. Well, at least being in jail will keep him from the real people who want to harm him.

    • Baby

      Karen you are a good person.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Thank you Karen, for as always, you have so much news and energy to inform us about the cult.

  • nottrue
  • Science Doc

    OT. Judge threw out Bacca’s plea deal, saying 6 months is not enough.

    • So cool.

    • OK, this now reminds me of the lyrics to “Junko Partner” (Dr. John version)
      “Singin’ 6 months
      Ain’t no sentence.
      Lord, and one year
      Ain’t no time.
      They got boys in Angola
      Servin’ 9 to 99.”

      (I believe Dr. John did time……brb gotta re-read his auto-biography)

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Thanks for posting that – it got buried in my news feed and I’d have missed that if not for you!

  • Robert Eckert

    OT: Paul Ryan waves an emblem of the Pittsburgh Steelers fandom, the Terrible Towel– in Cleveland.
    https://www.facebook.com/wtae4/videos/10154553459833643/

    • Scream Nevermore

      I am not happy to see a Terrible Towel in that idiot’s grasp.

  • Wog

    Alfreddie Johnson is a $lick Religiou$ $ale$man that fits so nicely with the mafia cult of $ciendollatry.

    I bet he makes big buck$ as a $cientology F$M – peddling the faux faith for $ale.

    Rizza ….well, Rizza is one hot mess.

  • outraged

    money money money money laisjd fa##ohie %*utv0w9458]7)(*o’p43qrcim

    All money all the time in Scientology.
    Not love, giving, peace or even, god forbid, happiness.

    OT, seems fitting:

    “Sen. Sasse will not be attending the convention and will instead take his kids to watch some dumpster fires across the state, all of which enjoy more popularity than the current front-runners,” his spokesman told The Hill.

    • love, giving, peace, happiness is not on the tonescale or the greif chart

      • outraged

        It’s not even on the menu. :-}

    • Kestrel

      Too bad Senator Sasse has elected to absent himself from the convention. He seems to be willing to run counter to the establishment.

  • Snippy_X

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    “You don’t know who the devil is, unless you really know who the devil is.”
    There are many, many quotes on the devil to be found on the internet and Izzy Chait’s one is not the most clever one for sure.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHkikZ3fcdw

  • Jon S

    I have a thing about spotting OTVIII bracelets. It’s my new hobby. Good one on display here as Izzy slays another jazz classic. I’m sorry he’s unwell, but I’d imagine the rhino doesn’t feel that great either. http://www.izzychait.com/do-nothing-till-you-hear-from-me.html

    • Jon S

      The M in MEST certainly isn’t “Melody”. He’s not really “at cause” over that particular element.

    • Jon S

      Wallop!!! Major OT VIII bracelet full screen money shot in Izzy’s web site EPK (“electronic press kit”) video (F5)

    • I approve of your hobby.

  • Jon S

    Q: Do you often spend Summer evenings with the windows wide open listening to the sound of Tom Jones playing a show from the nearby cricket stadium ..?
    A: It’s not unusual

    • Wavering between just upvoting, or posting, “That is funny”.

  • There is already chaos at the Trump circus.
    Police have been called and the media is being cleared from the floor.
    A nutjob preacher is giving an opening exorcism.
    Per Periscope on the scene.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      “A nutjob preacher is giving an opening exorcism.”

      Hahaha…you knew that one was coming after tRump selected evangelical Christian Pence as his Veep!

      I sure hope no one gets killed or badly injured in Cleveland, but if there ever was a convention to turn out and protest, it would be this one!

    • You’re having me on, but that was funny!

      • Actually there was a bit of a brouhaha.
        “The program was at times overshadowed by disorder in the arena itself.

        Republicans unreconciled to the Manhattan business mogul’s nomination mounted a fight for a recorded “roll call” vote on whether to ratify the convention’s rules. They lost — but not before sparking recrimination on the convention floor in late afternoon.”
        http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/288277-gop-hits-turbulence-in-cleveland

      • A bit more on this under reported story.
        If the news outlets aren’t right on the scene it doesn’t make as much of a splash.
        The revolution will be live-streamed.
        Cheers to you my friend.
        “Cleveland (CNN)Open discord and revolt broke out on the floor of the Republican National Convention Monday as GOP officials crushed an attempt to change party rules, a maneuver that could have embarrassed presumptive nominee Donald Trump.

        In a highly unusual show of disunity and anger on the floor of a modern party convention, a group of states tried to force a state-by-state roll call vote on the rules of the convention. The rebellion apparently caught Trump’s campaign team by surprise, and his lieutenants were seen frantically whipping votes on the floor to squelch the effort amid scenes of deepening disarray.”
        http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/18/politics/rnc-procedural-votes-rules-committee/index.html

  • Captain MustSavage

    Presumably the criminal activities of Gallery Chait were well known to scientology via auditing. One more example of Scientology ignoring criminality when it has a direct fiscal benefit for themselves.

    • But that is privileged material. Accessible only to about 200 (how many was it in Laura’s case?) “ministers”.

      • Captain MustSavage

        Yeah, completely confidential to the 250 people who get to view the files.

        • Which actually makes the conspiracy to conceal evidence rather broad in scope.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I must have been distracted when I read today’s blog because I’ve only just realised I missed the last third entirely. I’m really pleased to hear that Joey is receiving counselling and is in a happy relationship. Now to dig into the court docs.

    • Juicer77

      I’m really torn on this one. He was a child of wealthy $cientolo-gits which meant he got all kinds of preferential treatment as well as terrible abuse for his sexual orientation. Not sure how much credibility I give his attorney’s sob-story filing. Of course they will make his circumstances sound as pitiful as possible to affect the judge’s ruling. Whatever the real story is, I hope he makes a success of his education, counseling and relationship.

      • Qbird

        The sorry pieces, sucked into Hubbard’s Great Thetan Game,
        always seem to suffer.
        It’s scary as hell.
        Stupid expensive bridge.

  • randomity

    I believe clear bracelets are made out of unicorn horns.

    • Observer

      Clears and unicorns are equally rare

      • Kestrel

        Brilliant!

  • AnyOldName1

    Not sure if anyone posted this – another of Scientology’s criminals, just had his plea deal tossed:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/judge-rejects-plea-deal-of-ex-los-angeles-county-sheriff/ar-BBursC3?li=BBnb4R7

  • Click-bait story of the future:

    “Man Who Explored Empty Org Wishes He Hadn’t”

    • Juicer77

      Great idea for a horror movie!

    • Observer

      The video game Dead Space 2 pretty much covered it. The game has a very Scientology-like cult called Unitology. This clip is a walkthrough of a Unitology org (for lack of a better word). The character approaches the “org” at 2:20. Not for the faint of heart–this is a very scary game.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8XW7YeH8hU

    • Kestrel

      I’ll click on it if it includes a picture of Captain Miscavige holding a bottle of scotch while clearing cobwebs out of the doorway.

  • nottrue
    • Kay

      Kirstie Alley…….you just irritate me no end. A “%” ? What does that even mean? Well psychiatrically ill people on drugs also still have the potential for committing suicide and violent acts…..but in much smaller numbers. And those who are seriously ill who are not medicated at all are at much greater risk. I don’t know why I’m even bothering to type this….you are an idiot and will never listen to reason.

      • Kay

        P.S. Good comment J Edgar Mayo !!

      • A percentage of people, whether or not on drugs, will tend to commit suicide and violent acts. It’s also more likely that someone who tends towards committing those acts will actually be taking those drugs because they were forced to or sought out help for their condition before it got the better of them. Correlation isn’t causation.

        It’s like accusing hospitals of killing people because that’s where they are when they die.

        • Kay

          ABSOLUTELY !!! ^^^^

    • Juicer77

      I have no “bless her heart” for her.
      Shut up, woman. Just shut up.

      • Kay

        YES…absolutely !!!! No one makes me as nuts as she does….everytime she opens her mouth.

        • Juicer77

          I just turn off listening to her, like a faucet that spouts rusty water. Waiting for something useful to come out is hopeless.

          • Kay

            Very true…

      • Kestrel

        At least this post of hers didn’t come off as a drunk tweet. So often I read what she wrote and think to myself, “this is what you get at the higher levels in CO$.”

    • When will we recognize that a % of people on psychotropic drugs will commit psychotic violent acts and commit suicide?

      FIFY

      • Liberated

        I know plenty of people in the cult who have committed horrific acts of violence, child rape, extortion etc. and I know many tragic suicide deaths and severe depression. So, I don’t know what the hell psych drugs have to do with it. Only difference is psych drugs don’t promise super human powers.

    • daisy

      Kirstie Alley , twitter, lethal combination.

      • Kay

        ROFL !!!

    • daisy

      Psychotropic drugs make you just mildly annoying..

      • Juicer77

        They make me stable and productive.

        • Same.

          • Juicer77

            Three cheers for psychopharmacology!! 😉

            • I am going to make a bronze bust of Lorazepam.

            • Juicer77

              LOL

    • Observer

      So which psych drugs is COB on, Kirstie?

    • Robert Eckert

      New drug-free treatment for mental illness! How Goodbye Depression:
      https://www.amazon.com/How-Good-bye-Depression-Constrict-Everyday/dp/0595094724/ref=sr_1_1

      • FredEX2

        LOL. Is that similar to doing 100 ‘kegels’ ? …Guess it’s worth a try.

        • Robert Eckert

          customer reviews:

          • Jenyfurrrrr

            The reviews alone have me wanting to buy it for comic relief!

  • While I do feel sad for Joey Chait, I am glad he is learning a lesson. No one who promotes poaching or any kind of environmental destruction should ever be allowed to go unpunished. I am glad that the judge found his Scientology background to be a mitigating circumstance to the crime. Every entry into the record against Scientology counts.
    —-
    For those of you who don’t have a seizure or start hysterically crying at the mention of it, Marty’s blog has most certainly been taken over by OSA. The most recent “post” on there isn’t even actually a post. It’s just plagiarism. Looks like we discovered what Monique meant when she said she was able to find a way on her own.

    Miscavige: “Do you want me to leave you alone?”
    Marty: “Yes pls.”
    Miscavige: “I want you to tell your wife publicly screw her lawyers and you to turn your blog over to me so I can use it to attack Tony Ortega.”
    Marty: “k.”

    • Juicer77

      Interesting theory. Who knows. More importantly, at this point, who cares? 😉

      • It’s not about caring. Marty and don’t even hardly know each other. I said hi to him once. It’s about wondering what the truth of the matter is. It would be stupid of me to pretend like I’m not curious about why Marty fell off his rocker.

        • Juicer77

          I hear you, but his ultimate goal is attention. Anytime he is mentioned it’s a victory for his egomania and paranoia. I’d like to know what’s going on, too, but if he’s really having mental problems, I wish he’d step away from this warmongering and take care of himself and his family first.

          • Looking through the comments you have to wonder how much attention he is getting, and how much a few people are talking to each other under multiple identities.

            Part of the problem is, I think that media and Internet interest in him is in the final stages of collapse.

        • Kim O’Brien

          he just did a cut and paste job from someone else’s book . Not even writing his own crap anymore . It’s just stupid

        • Observer

          He got tired of being a nobody and wants to go back to where he was somebody, IMO. A to E.

          • Juicer77

            100%. But I don’t think it’s A to E if you mean getting back into the Co$. But I could be wrong. I think he’s gone off on some completely odd path of his own.

          • I think that is absolutely out of the question.

            • Observer

              I would have thought so myself a few months ago, but the speed, size and quality of the weirdness has me thinking it’s a possibility. I’m not saying Miscavige would take him back, mind you.

            • Just in my opinion I think it is absolutely out of the realm of even remote possibility. Which is why I said what I said about it being part of the deal for Miscavige to leave him alone. Nothing to do with Marty going back to Scientology.

            • Juicer77

              How about as an Indie?

            • Observer

              Maybe one day we’ll know. I don’t think he’s capable of retiring from the limelight and living a quiet life for very long though.

            • Who knows. Maybe he has finally come to terms with the fact that nothing he ever did in Scientology will ever translate into the real world and all of it is completely meaningless and useless and now he’s just a regular human like the rest of us.

            • Kestrel

              Interesting perspective, but as you said, who knows? Not me. Never met the man. I just hope that the Rathbuns find happiness and comfort.

          • Qbird

            Honestly! How does anyone want to live their life OUT LOUD like this?
            ON LINE.
            What person/s can withstand the onslaught,
            whether it be love bombing or its opposite?

            Geez-loueeze.
            I think it must really suck salty donkey balls to be a player in Ron’s Romp.

          • and F to J

        • Quite. I want to know the truth, too.

    • It still sounds like his characteristically obscure style so, if you are right, it would be Marty acting under orders, not someone posting in his behalf (or is he that easy to emulate?).

      I wonder if his purpose is not to attack but to distract.

      • The July 2nd post was a post characteristic of OSA claiming victory before the battle has truly even started with the assurance that those listening won’t check their facts:

        Within 24 hours of posting “Cyber Cults”, the anti-scientology cyber-cult came unglued.

        No one gave a shit about his dumb post and nothing came unglued. It’s not obscure it’s just made up bullshit. That is definitely Scientology-style.

        • I take your point. What I mean is that he still seems to be putting what he is told to say into words.

          • I guess. From what I know about people turning over their e-mail or blogs to OSA in the past, they actually give them the username and password and OSA takes it from there. I don’t see why they would add the extra step of having Marty type it.

            • Observer

              You know how COB likes to humiliate people…

            • You guys are right I guess if we’re going to speculate might as well go all in and fill in every detail. Marty is probably wearing a rainbow helicopter cap right now on a unicycle while juggling bottles of scotch and every time he breaks one one of the execs socks him in the nuts. Then Miscavige sends him home and makes him type things on his keyboard that insult Tony followed by sponge bathing Heber and shaving Miscavige’s coin purse.

            • Observer

              I would pay money to see Marty as you have described.

            • You can probably photoshop the unicycle part, no? LOL But please spare us the last part.

            • aegerprimo

              Ooooooohhh I would love to see Artoo add that scene somewhere in the All Mest Up LRH Target 2 Chronicles – http://allmestup.blogspot.com

            • The only question, then, is not whether the posts there are crazy, but whether they are crazy enough to be OSA.

            • The words “anti-scientology cyber-cult” scream david miscavige.

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              I saw some of the hate and condescension over there in response to posts of yours and that (along with another person from here asking a genuine & polite question and being slammed by M himself) did it for me. All past sympathy & thinking he’d changed gone in a quick second! But good of you to try either way. That place is like dealing w/my bi-polar parent when not on meds. NO clue what you’re walking into, no matter the mood and tone when you arrive.

    • aegerprimo

      I’ve really tried to like Marty since I saw the videos of him being stalked by the “squirrel busters” over how many days? 170 -ish?

      But something about him (Marty) always made me feel uneasy, in his posts at his blog…. I could never and can’t put a finger on it.

      And I guess now he is showing he is a real whack-job. I feel sorry for Monique and their baby.

      I’m not sure what is going on…. but I can say this, Scientology has a manipulative, evil, powerful influence over it’s members and ex-members.

      • It’s okay to like someone, and then to not like someone anymore. Contrary to popular belief, people do change. Or sometimes we learn new things about them that we were previously unaware of. Either way we sometimes have to adjust our opinion of people. That same philosophy applies to many things in life.

        • aegerprimo

          You are wise beyond your years Derek.

          • I appreciate that. We all have a narrow window from which we view the world. Every day I try to talk to someone about something that helps me chip away at the wall around the window so my view can get a little bit wider. Sometimes a huge chunk will fall off and those are the moments I live for.

            • aegerprimo

              Yes, I’m still chipping away to see the fantastic panoramic view of life. I’m lucky to get some amazing glimpses everyday though….

            • It’s unfortunate that no one lives long enough to really appreciate it all.

            • Allie

              Good attitude and philosophy, Derek. We need more ppl like you 😀

            • Kestrel

              Keep chipping away, Derek. The window can never be too big.

  • Kay

    O/T: Trumps motorcade was in an accident….he wasn’t hurt. This whole convention is so chaotic.

  • Kim O’Brien

    Catching a few clips of the RNC …strange to see Cleveland on the news and say ” hey ! I had a beer there ! ” and think of the good memories of meeting you guys there for HowdyCon . Now …Cleveland has shit the bed .

    • Kay

      Yes, it’s pretty weird there now. That would be odd to have all of those good memories then see this stuff going down.

    • Liberated

      Just keep remembering the good times. If it’s too much just look away.

      • Kim O’Brien

        we’ll always have Paris

        • redfisch

          Our hills and our beans, dammit!

  • Kim O’Brien

    Well ..Scott Baio is speaking at the RNC . My childhood is officially dead . And is also a little bit of a racist apparently . He was the first boy ever to be in my spank bank ( that’s right …chicks have them too )

    The terrorists have won ….THIS IS MADNESS

    • Kay

      Scott Baio ???????
      Seriously…..Scott Baio ??????
      He’s all they could find? Wow.

      • Kim O’Brien

        and some guy named Anthony Sabato Jr. No idea who he is …but it is turning out to be ” old stars that went nuts” convention . Jebus .

        • Scream Nevermore

          Oh, Anthony Sabato Jnr was gorgeous back in the day – no idea if he still is!

          • Observer

            That is a really odd pose.

            • Liberated

              Exactly what I was thinkin

            • Scream Nevermore

              It’s to show off the fact that those undies give the package a bit of a boost, to go along with that nice smooth line, methinks.

            • Rasha

              Scoliosis is nothing to laugh about! There are many people afflic — wait. that’s not what this PSA is about? AN AD??? For WHAT???

            • aegerprimo

              Scoliosis sucks, but good thing Anthony has a great core. Ripped abs will help his posture in the long run.

          • Kim O’Brien

            dammit . I have the sad’s . It’s ok for them to be ” not so smart” but you gotta make that work for you …like Rutger Howard and Liam Neeson do . Now the cat is out of the bag and 40 something year old women everywhere are screaming ” NO ! DON’T SPEAK !! YOU ARE FUCKIN IT UP FOR ALL OF US !!”

            • Snippy_X

              Jesus, Kim, how would like one of those lecherous women who thinks with her clit to talk about your little brother that way?

            • jazzlover

              roflmao

            • Kim O’Brien

              ” thinks with her clit ”

              that will be the group tattoo at HowdyCon part Deux . I know a guy who can give us a deal …he’s hot …and does not talk much 😉

            • Snippy_X

              Will there be Thinking Clittically videos available afterwards?

            • Kim O’Brien

              OMG …THAT WAS BRILLIANT LOL !!!!

              .

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I was not expecting that from you, Snippy! Laughed hard at that one.

            • aegerprimo

              Y’all crack me up.
              Pun intended
              ………………………………….

            • flyonthewall

              those “lecherous women” are the ones who make men of boys thank you very much

            • Juicer77

              If a man wrote this about a woman I would be offended… but I get how brains and beauty don’t always go together.

          • FredEX2

            Well, hmmmmm. Been a long time since I’ve seen something like that. Thanks for the visual. 😆 The OSA boyfriend I was paired with kinda looked like a cross between Sabato Jr. and Tarzan ( played by ‘Wolf Larson’ ) Not kidding. They made sure he was pretty irresistible. I’d say that just about all girls from ages 4-103 were totally stunned by him when he walked by. I guess if you’re gonna set up a honey-trap the bait should be hard to resist.

        • daisy

          He was a really good looking soap star and underwear model a while back.

          • Liberated

            You know way too much about that particular subject.

            • Kay

              He was a guy who was hard to ignore….and I don’t even watch soaps. All I had to see was a picture of him…wow

        • Davka

          Antonio Sabato Jr., aka Jagger Cates on General Hospital a long time ago. Had a kid with Virginia Madsen. (These are the factoids lodged in my brain)…..

      • Robert Eckert

        They also have the Duck Dynasty guy

        • Allie

          Of course they do!

      • Justmeteehee

        And I laughed!

    • Liberated

      Why did you have to tell me that? Now I don’t think I can eat.

    • Evey Hammond
    • flyonthewall

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      My cynical self wants to bet that Baio’s gig was ultimately booked at the RNC only because “he’d appeal to the much-needed lady-voters”. Though by the same swoop appallingly insult their intelligence; but you know, a lot of them are going to go crazy when he walks on stage. So there you go.

      • Kim O’Brien

        not if every woman there is 65

    • aegerprimo

      Ugh Scott UGH!
      I cut Scott Baio’s photos out of Teen magazine and hung them in my locker….. like way back when I was a teenager.

      Kim! Scott was in my spank bank too.

      • Kim O’Brien

        we have to break up with him

        • aegerprimo

          Okay…. I have sadz, but I think I’ll live.

  • nottrue

    Damn no Clint Eastwood

    • daisy

      LOL

    • Kim O’Brien

      what about his chair ? I hear the chair is available

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Battle Creek Clams Rejoice! – “Scientologists seek OK for Hart Hotel redevelopment” http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/story/news/local/2016/07/18/scientologists-seek-ok-hart-hotel-redevelopment/87249392/

    “The Rev. Brian Fesler, a regional representative for the church, said the project is part of its national concept for an “ideal organization.” Fesler said Battle Creek’s congregation was ahead of its time with a vision for the project that dates back more than a decade — even if it didn’t know what that would look like just yet.

    “When they bought the building, they had the building but didn’t have the mechanism,” he said.

    For 15 years? Good Grief!
    (refresh)

    • Rasha

      Nice spin! 15 years ago, they foresaw its renovation. I wonder what portion of that congregation didn’t forsee themselves probably blowing or being declared by now, or completely broke – just dreaming of that Ideal mOrg, ahead of their time…..

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        My favorite part –
        “Community Services Director Marcie Gillette said the city held a hearing earlier this year and designated the Hart Hotel as a dangerous building. Gillette said the building was unsecured after being clipped by cars as it stood vacant for more than a decade.

        The church has until August to appeal the dangerous building status with the Housing Board of Appeals, she said.

        That dangerous-building designation spurred the decision to put a development plan in motion, Fesler said. The church’s attorney, Nelson Karre, spoke on its behalf at a Planning Commission meeting in May — where a special use permit was endorsed on a 6-1 vote — and church representatives met with Neighborhood Planning Council No. 2 to share its plans and answer questions.

        “Honestly, I think the city there sent a notice that caught the attention of the local church and they sent it to the international office,” Fesler said. “We can credit the city for getting enough attention to say ‘let’s move.’ It’s embarrassing a little bit, but we work with our community and our community is working with us.”

        • Rasha

          “Okay, everyone! It’s finally dilapidated and dangerous! Let’s start raising funds so we can start designing ideas for the initial plans, Phase 1!!! Move up in status NOW!!”

          “…our vision is coming true at last. After all this time…”

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            This whole mess sounds like it could be the plot to a Three Stooges movie 🙂

          • aegerprimo

            Er…. 11!!!!!!!!11!!111!!

            • Rasha

              Ooops. Forgot those. I’ll rue-thlessly put ethics in on myself. ;(

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Man, that is one UGLY building.

      • Kestrel

        But just imagine how magically beautiful it will be after the renovations are DONE!

    • Kestrel

      I wonder if either lead paint or asbestos will be an issue with a building that age.

  • MaxSpaceman

    OT. Cleveland Political Convention GOP

    Chachi from Happy Days will be speaking.

    An underwear model and a Sarong-worthy actorman, from the Bold & the Beeyoutiful, will be speaking.

    This is serious ‘Opening Night Party Convention Politics’ at its most profound.

    Historically, it may harken back to the Eisenhower-Adlai Stevenson contest in 1956, where campaign and election day field workers were found to be singing,

    Whistle while you work!
    Stevenson’s a jerk!
    Eisenhower
    Has the power
    Whistle while you work!

    • aegerprimo

      HOLLA!
      MaxSpaceMan in Da house!

      So nice to see your here Max. ♥

      • MaxSpaceman

        and I <3 your photo collecting and display !

        Thank you 🙂

  • Liberated

    Guys, please don’t hate me for this but I’m kinda tired of hearing about Marty. I know I was not familiar with him like the rest of you were, but he seems to be antagonistic to the bunkerites and he says unkind things about Tony. I feel bad for his wife she did not subscribe to the cult and their craziness , so maybe if people just stopped talking about it , it would fade away.

    • If you want it to fade why would you bring it up? Everything fades here eventually.
      Edit: spelling

      • flyonthewall

        Stop thinking about pink elephants right now!

        • daisy

          DAMN YOU , I just got rid of the lazy assed elephant from last night.

      • Liberated

        Excuse me Marty talk goes on everyday and it’s never me bringing it up, in fact it’s been going on almost a year.

        • Qbird

          yeah, it’s weird huh?! Actually, MR talk been going on for many many years. When I first took notice of Scn. Marty & Mike were both ‘in’, as far as I could tell.
          Ah well, who do you trust? Who’s telling the truth. Who lies & why?
          Fascinating stuff, innit?
          The stories as they unfold. It’s all so dramatic.
          And that collaspe option works fine as kind.

        • Who are you to tell people how to comment? It will pass eventually just like everything else we have been through on this board. Just block people if you don’t like what they say rather than trying to tell people what to do. You can’t control what aspects of Scientology other people want to talk about.

    • madame duran

      There’s always the “collapse” button (hover mouse over someone’s comment; click the small dash to the right). Save the “ignore” feature for trolls.

  • flyonthewall

    You guys with Netflix seriously need to check out the documentary series, “Making a Murderer”. I got the same , “omfg I can’t believe this actually happened”, feeling watching it as when I started watching Scientology.

    Guy was exonerated for a rape he spent 18yrs in prison for bc of DNA evidence. Cops had a grudge and totally railroaded him. When he got out he was set to pull the trigger on a $36 million lawsuit that was very strong when the same cops charge him with murder! I don’t want to say more and spoil it but this stuff is intense. I seriously have to struggle not to look online and see how it finally played out. Should really check it out if you like documentaries and crime stuff.

    • Stop trying to recruit people to your Flix cult.

      • flyonthewall

        u should come to my international peace compound in the woods and watch it with me and my follo..I mean friends, friends. Come watch it with my friends.

    • Have any comedy recommendations? I’m in need of comedy right now. Burned through all the seasons of Veep and trying to care about Silicon Valley but having trouble.

      • Shameless is a bit of a dark comedy.

        • That show was hilarious. I stopped watching last season though. Maybe I’ll pick it back up.

          • How about Weeds? Also a dark comedy.

            • daisy

              Are they ever going to release the last season?

      • flyonthewall

        i will ask Fly Lady, she is into comedy. I always do serious stuff and it doesn’t bother her at all

      • flyonthewall

        she says if you have Hulu, she really likes Quick Draw, Rick and Morty as well as Drunk History

        • Tell her thank you . I’ll check it out

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Drunk History. I must check this out. 🙂

          • flyonthewall

            it’s hilarious. An actor gets shitfaced for real and then other actors play out historical events while the drunk guy narrates all slurred and drunky.

      • FredEX2

        One of my favorite movies ( comedy-romance ) of all time is ‘Moonstruck’ with Cher as the leading lady. It is funny and poignant…and I guarantee you’ll feel good at the end. Totally recommend it.

        • “A wolf without a foot!”
          “A bride without a head!”
          Back when Nic Cage still acted.

          • FredEX2

            I love the scene where Cher says “Yeah I love him awful ma”…. 🤓

            • One of the best scenes ever. Perfectly describes the feeling of being out of control in love.

            • FredEX2

              Yep. Everyone should have that moment when they feel that way…

              …unless it’s followed by a later moment when you find out that guy you love ‘awful’ turns out to be a OSA Scilon deliberately set up as your boyfriend and you realize simultaneously that he’s not only the love of your life,…but you have to leave him…and never see him again.

          • flyonthewall

            my fav of his was Leaving Las Vegas

            • daisy

              His best movie by far.

            • flyonthewall

              oh god. Remember when he crawled to the fridge and guzzled vodka/oj? That was painful to watch

            • daisy

              There were several really hard to watch scenes. It is one of those movies where you should watch it, but it is not a fun romp. It was unfortunately very realistic .

            • flyonthewall

              You should check out Everything Must Go. It had some very painful moments like Vegas but it wasn’t as dark and was also very very funny.

      • daisy

        I really liked this young stand-up John Mulaney – New in Town , on Netflix

      • Vaquera

        Movie: In A World… But it’s not on Netflix this month.
        Theater of the absurd: HBO’s Game Change.

        • Fly Lady

          I’ve been meaning to tell you… there’s this person named Vaccaro running for sheriff and I see the signs everywhere and I think of you!! Also, I loved In a World, because Demitri Martin is my favorite!!

        • Demetri Martin is the frickin’ bomb!

          • Vaquera

            I want to adopt him. Either that, or give him my daughter’s deets.

      • Kim O’Brien

        the series ” Derek” …or ” The League” ( very different , both funny )

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        Suits is hilarious, but gotta have law office experience to get the unintentionally best funnies, though. IOW I got nuthin’.

      • Kay

        Doc Martin is hilarious !!! It’s on Netflix and Amazon.

      • daisy

        I like Rake – Australian TV show on Netflix

      • Rasha

        Personally, I like Detectorists. Endearing humor. Very British.

      • Qbird

        Amalie.

    • Qbird
    • The police officer I know who watched it, told me the guy, in his opinion, is definitely guilty of at least one of those crimes, but should not be in prison, because of the way the whole thing was handled. Eta: go figure.

      • flyonthewall

        O.O That’s scary. He would have to disregard so much evidence. Sad

        • There is too much sad irony. And neither of us have all the facts.

          • flyonthewall

            you seen the docu yet?

            • Yes.

            • flyonthewall

              and you still think there was nothing hinky going on in that police dept and the case against Avery was totally organic and on the level?

            • That’s not what I was trying to say. Rather opposite. Even my cop friend thinks so.
              With that said, I have my doubts Avery is innocent. Just my impression.

            • flyonthewall

              Ok. It’s interesting how 2 people can see or listen to the same thing and have totally different interpretations.

            • Only witnesses know. I don’t want to continue discuss/speculate on this.

            • flyonthewall

              ….

            • Thank you.

            • daisy

              It must be very nerve racking on your police buddies ,all these shootings. It is a bad time for decent hard working police who are just doing their jobs. They are being painted with a very broad brush. It is tragic.

            • Thank you, Daisy. It’s black and blue.

    • Kim O’Brien

      it hit you in the gut . over and over and over again .

    • If you’re looking for lighter fare to distract your online (re)search try “Stranger Things”.

      • flyonthewall

        yep, it’s on the list

    • Ella Raitch

      I’ve just started Stranger Things. This will have to wait

      • April

        I have family who live in the town where that was filmed!

        • Ella Raitch

          Where is it?

      • flyonthewall

        yep, I was either going to start that or Making. Stranger is def next

        • Ella Raitch

          It’s very cool. It’s like John Carpenter remade The Goonies with a few Stephen King flourishes.

          • flyonthewall

            very nice. You should synopsyses for Netflix