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What you didn’t see on ‘I Am Cait’: Kate Bornstein and Caitlyn Jenner at Scientology HQ

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In December, while filming the second season of I Am Cait, Caitlyn Jenner and show regular Kate Bornstein made a visit to the Church of Scientology “org” that is part of its worldwide administrative headquarters in Los Angeles.

You didn’t hear about it because what happened that day never made it into the show, which aired its season finale more than a month ago.

But now we can tell you that the visit to Scientology was a daring move by Jenner, who was there to support her friend Bornstein on an emotional journey. The two of them were there asking to see Bornstein’s daughter, Jessica Baxter, who Kate has not seen in more than 30 years.

Ultimately, they were turned away after spending about an hour at the Scientology facility. Bornstein tells us they chose not to take cameras with them, out of concern for Scientology’s security measures.

So there is no footage of the encounter. But Kate Bornstein told us all about it, and Caitlyn Jenner’s representative confirmed that the event happened.

In 2012, we put Kate Bornstein on the cover of The Village Voice to note the publication of her memoir, A Queer and Pleasant Danger: The true story of a nice Jewish boy who joins the Church of Scientology, and leaves twelve years later to become the lovely lady she is today. Bornstein was already a well-known trans performance artist and author of the influential gender theory manifesto, Gender Outlaw.

Less well known was her involvement in Scientology, which had her working as first mate to Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard on the yacht Apollo in the early 1970s. Kate was Al Bornstein then, and Al was a dedicated Scientologist who had helped run the Scientology org in New York City. Al was also a father, but after he left Scientology his ex-wife Molly and his daughter Jessica “disconnected” from him. Bornstein hasn’t seen Jessica since 1980, when she was nine years old.

On January 24, 1986 — the same day, coincidentally, that L. Ron Hubbard died in California — Kate Bornstein changed her name legally. In her memoir, she writes in revealing detail about her various sexual and artistic adventures as she became a leading figure in the trans community. And she tells audiences that her daughter Jessica stays away from her not because of that unconventional history as a gender theory pioneer, but simply because Kate turned her back on Scientology.

Jessica is a member of Scientology’s “Sea Organization,” the most hard core of Scientology’s employees, who sign billion-year contracts and work around the clock for pennies an hour, cut off from the outside world and from their own families. In 2014, Jessica’s photo was spotted in an internal Scientology publication. She was part of a contingent of Sea Org executives who had been moved from Florida to the Los Angeles headquarters to take over an underperforming facility. For Kate, the photo of Jessica in her Sea Org outfit was the first time she’d seen anything about her in 31 years.

Kate herself had been through the wringer after her memoir came out. She spent a year battling lung cancer, and then in August 2014 told us that her cancer was in remission. Two months later, the photo of Jessica showed up. And six months after that, in April 2015, Bruce Jenner gave his 20/20 interview with Diane Sawyer, confirming that he was transitioning to life as a woman. In June, Caitlyn Jenner famously made her debut by showing up on the cover of Vanity Fair, and the next month, on July 26, her reality TV series, I Am Cait, debuted on the E! network.

When the series was filming, Bornstein, who lives in New York, happened to be in Los Angeles for Trans Pride. She ran into her friend Jen Richards, who was an I Am Cait cast member. Richards said she wanted to get Kate on the show, and soon Bornstein found herself in a car being taken through a steep canyon above Hollywood to the home of trans actress Candis Cayne.

 
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[The photo Kate Bornstein posted to Instagram, identifying her daughter Jessica Baxter]

 
“And there was Caitlyn Jenner,” Kate says, still sounding as surprised as she must have felt that day. The scene that then unfolded ended up in the fourth episode of the first season; the setup was that Caitlyn had gone to Cayne’s house for a “sleepover” that, initially, only featured the two of them. As the episode unfolded, there was a lot of emphasis on fashion and what kind of lingerie Cait was going to slip into later. But then, when Richards and Bornstein arrived, Jenner seemed to realize that the evening had suddenly taken on more importance. Narrating the scene, she explained who Bornstein was, and she mentioned Gender Outlaw.

And then, true to herself, if unusual for the show, Kate Bornstein put Jenner on the spot.

“‘How are you dealing with the freak factor?’ I asked her,” Kate remembers. “She was used to a lot of adulation from all of her friends. But the outside world sees us as freaks. Cait answered, ‘I’m doing the show to normalize things.’ And I answered yeah, you wouldn’t have to do that if we weren’t seen as freaks.”

If Caitlyn was temporarily thrown, she recovered and then asked Bornstein how she handled “the freak factor.”

By owning it, Kate responded.

“It made a big impression on Caitlyn,” Kate says, and the proof of that was that Kate was asked to become a regular member of the cast for season two.

We asked Kate how her involvement in Scientology had come up with the other cast members.

“It came up big time when we visited Caitlyn’s alma mater, Graceland College in Iowa. We were on stage and the whole student body was there, about 1,000 students,” Kate says. The school was originally affiliated with the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, known as Community of Christ today. So the students had numerous questions for Caitlyn and her friends about their thoughts on religion.

“I talked about Scientology, and explained that my daughter is a Scientologist, and active, and by the rules of that church, she’s not allowed to speak to me, not allowed to hear from me. That’s just the way it is. The students looked stricken,” Kate says.

“The other ladies on the bus kept asking me questions about Scientology after that — all the questions that are so embarrassing to an ex-Scientologist,” Bornstein says. “And some of that got aired. The Daily Beast pegged me as Caitlyn Jenner’s Ex-Scientologist Friend.”

But then, away from the cameras, Jenner brought the subject up with her.

“Caitlyn asked me later, what’s up with your daughter? Have you gotten back to see her? No, I told her. I’d sent her a letter, birthday cards. I’d done an Internet search and found that she was living in Tarpon Springs, Florida. But then she had transferred to Los Angeles with a Sea Org command team. I learned that from [former Scientology spokesman] Mike Rinder,” Kate says.

“Caitlyn said, wait she’s in Los Angeles? I showed Cait the picture I have of her. She said ‘Let’s go see her!’ That’s how she is,” Bornstein says with a laugh. “I’ll go with you, she said. You will? I asked. Yeah! she said. That’s how it came up. Caitlyn is a champion. That role for her is comfortable and she knows how to walk that walk. She will champion people’s rights. And she will fight injustice. And so she agreed to come with me to Scientology.”

Bornstein said she explained to Caitlyn what the pitfalls might be. She told Caitlyn that Scientology was notoriously retaliatory, and might attack them for even making the attempt.

“What are they going to say that hasn’t already been said?” Caitlyn responded.

Several weeks later, in the middle of December, Bornstein was staying in a hotel in Los Angeles while shooting for the series was going on. She got a call from Caitlyn. “You still want to do this?” she asked. When Kate said yes, Caitlyn told her she’d come by to pick her up at the hotel the next morning.

“Caitlyn has a bunch of cars, and one of them is a huge white Escalade with tinted windows — you cannot see inside that sucker,” Kate says.

She sat in front with Caitlyn, who was driving. Producers for the series, carrying cameras, sat in the back seats. Bornstein was armed with information about where Jessica might be stationed at the “Big Blue” complex, Scientology’s administrative headquarters in Los Angeles, whose centerpiece is the former Cedars of Lebanon hospital that the church purchased in 1977, just a few months before the FBI raided the place.

“Mike Rinder had pulled a few strings and found where Jessica was stationed and what her office was,” Kate says.

She directed Caitlyn where to drive, and they pulled into the parking lot off Sunset Boulevard and in front of the “Los Angeles Org,” the “Ideal Org” that is on the compound’s north side.

 
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[The L.A. “Ideal Org,” on the campus of PAC Base, Scientology’s “Big Blue” compound on Fountain Ave.]

“It was about 10 in the morning. No one was in the parking lot. And this huge white Escalade pulls up, facing the front door. I told Caitlyn I was worried about Scientology’s security people,” Kate says.

“No, this is exciting,” Caitlyn responded.

“We sat there and realized, what are we going to say?”

They weren’t there just as a stunt, Kate explains. They really did hope that they could convince Jessica to see her “father” for the first time in decades. They sat in the Escalade, talking over the approach that might actually convince the Scientologists to cooperate.

They decided that Caitlyn should introduce herself, and say that she’s with her friend, but mumble Kate’s last name so that it wasn’t really discernible.

“And that’s what she did,” Bornstein says with a laugh.

“We walked inside and went up to the front desk, and Caitlyn said, ‘Hi, I’m Caitlyn Jenner and this is my friend Kate — mumble — and we’re here to see Jessica Baxter.’ There were four people behind the desk, and none of them recognized her. And that threw her for a loop. Caitlyn’s not used to being unrecognized. Her name opens doors,” Kate says.

But they were in luck. After they were kept waiting for about ten minutes, Kate says, one of the women behind the counter told them it was all right for them to go see Jessica.

“You can go to her office, she said, and then she pointed to a place around the corner,” Kate remembers.

The office was located in the American Saint Hill Organization, a large rectangular building that features a sculpture of a lion out front — and it’s literally just next door from the LA Org, a few hundred feet farther down L. Ron Hubbard Way.

“Caitlyn wanted to drive,” Kate says in a way that makes it plain that if that’s what Caitlyn wanted, that was what was going to happen.

“We got back into that honking big thing. And then two security guards showed up, stopping us as we pulled out of the parking lot. Hey there, where are you going? Caitlyn was getting pretty cocky at this point, telling them, yeah, we’re going down there, to the lion. So they let us go.”

Kate says they didn’t see where to park the car, so they looped back around the compound and ended up back in the parking lot they had just left.

“Now there were six security guys, in uniforms. What’s with the uniforms? Caitlyn asked. They wear uniforms, they have ranks, I explained,” Kate says.

“This is great! It’s like being in a spy movie!” Caitlyn said.

The two of them got out of the car, and it was obvious that the security guards knew, or had been told, who Caitlyn was.

“Thank you for coming, they said. And Caitlyn was doing all the talking,” Kate remembers.

The guards told them they were trying to find Jessica for them, and asked them to go back into the LA Org lobby and have a seat.

“We went back to the same place we’d been half an hour earlier,” Kate says.

 
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[Illustration by Chad Essley]

“They brought us water and tea, and asked us if we wanted a tour. Two of them, a man and a woman, tried to engage us in conversation,” she says.

When they asked about why they were there to see Jessica Baxter, Kate says she faltered.

“I wasn’t as brave as I thought I was going to be. I didn’t say, ‘I’m her dad.’ That left me,” she says. “It didn’t actually even occur to me. Which is weird. I was kind of scared by this time. They were talking to Caitlyn. Does Jessica know you? they asked her. Caitlyn operates by this idea, ‘everyone knows me.’ So she said, yeah!

“They weren’t asking me questions. So I just shut up and drank their water and some of their tea. We were there for another 30 minutes. I pointed out that we were being filmed, and Caitlyn said, ‘Well, you and I are used to that.'”

Eventually, they were told that Jessica was unable to talk to them, and they were asked for a number where they could be reached.

“Caitlyn whipped out her phone, and I said no, why don’t you give us Jessica’s number and we’ll call her. The number they gave us was the main number for the org. And that was it,” Kate says.

Kate says she knew the chances of an actual reunion had probably been small, “but I did get my hopes up for seeing her.” Afterwards, she spoke with Rinder, who told her that at least Jessica would know that someone was interested in seeing her.

When Kate told him that she worried her visit might have gotten Jessica into trouble with the notoriously punishment-minded organization, he told her, “Maybe that’s just what she needs.”

We asked Kate what Caitlyn’s impression was after the encounter.

“She was struck by how tightly wrapped up everything was. She got that they weren’t being genuine to us. ‘They don’t really care about people,’ she said. And she said that they were overly protective and they had no reason to be. Right again.”

The only footage they had of the encounter was what the producers had shot in the car on the way to and from the Scientology headquarters. Kate told us about the event when it happened, but asked us to keep a lid on it until the show had a chance to put something together. Only after the season was over, and Kate realized that it wouldn’t be mentioned, did she agree to let us write about it.

When we reached out to Jenner for a statement, her representative Alan Nierob sent us a message.

“This email will confirm that our client, Caitlyn Jenner, went with Kate Bornstein to the Scientology facility in Los Angeles to see her daughter last December,” it said.

We sent a message to Scientology spokeswoman Karin Pouw, asking about the church’s reaction to being visited by Jenner. We’ll let you know if she responds.

Kate, meanwhile, is philosophical about her odd day at the Scientology headquarters with her famous friend.

“Caitlyn had no idea how doomed to failure our little jaunt was, but it made me feel good to try. And it made me happy when Mike said that Jessica knows now that someone wants to see her.”

 
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  • UhLasare

    Disconnection sucks.

  • Watcher

    Kate, meanwhile, is philosophical about her odd day at the Scientology headquarters with her famous friend.

    “Caitlyn had no idea how doomed to failure our little jaunt was, but it made me feel good to try. And it made me happy when Mike said that Jessica knows now that someone wants to see her.”

    AND another high profile person is aware of the insanity of $cientology. Knowing that it isn’t just some silly alien religion but a seriously toxic organization. Every little bit helps.

    Good going to Kate for keeping up the fight, and hurray to Caitlin for not being afraid and supporting her. Also, everyday I think Mike Rinder is more and more awesome.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      “Also, everyday I think Mike Rinder is more and more cool.”

      This x 1000.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Yes yes and yes!

        • Cynthia

          I too think Mike Rinder is cool. He appears to be genuine,he does not sugar coat the facts and he appears ready and willing to help an anyway he can.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Indeed. It took him a little while to shed the hubris and all the rest, but once he did he turned into a fine butterfly.

    • Juicer77

      That’s real friendship with Caitlyn. And Mike probably does a lot more behind the scenes than we’ll ever hear about. I hope he gets to see his disconnected family again, too.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I really think that the true measure of a scientologist is who they become after they leave. Mike has done so much since he blew that I feel like his karmic balance has more than been restored.

        • April Moonlight

          And remember, he was very young when he got in. it takes a while to resolve things in your mind, especially when you grew up in it. what a lovely family he’s got these days, but he shouldn’t have been forced out of the older kids lives, it’s also unfair to them, to be denied contact with their father.

    • Wog

      Caitlin Jenner and FEAR are an oxymoron.

      Very similar to Scientology and HELP.

      LOL

    • Tracy Schmitz

      that’s the thing: EVERYONE needs to know that it’s NOT some silly stupid “harmless religion”…

  • Xenu is my Homeboy

    OT: Criminon in the UK have a sponsor page up for someone to raise money by doing a 5K obstacle race. The page expires in a few days, it’s been up for a month. Guess how much the gazillion generous theta Scientologists have donated? That’s right, nothing, zip, nadda.

    • Kestrel

      This would also suggest a lack of personal friends, unfortunately.

    • richelieu jr

      They are all too busy getting rundown and shafted running around Davey’s Magic pole to get involved in anything a shabby as a charity.

  • Ella Raitch

    I held my breath and had to really control myself to not skim over the article to find the result. Oh, my heart so wanted a happy ending for Kate!

    • Robert Eckert

      Well, Cait’s show certainly would have talked about it if there had been a resolution. From the opening about how the show couldn’t find any way to air it, I was sure from the get-go it was just going to be a weird hard-to-explain exasperation.

      • Ella Raitch

        I’m tragically hopeful Robert

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        But on what Mike Rinder said, Jessica will at least get the impression someone came to see her.

        And it was a pretty current special pair of people who came to see her, the gravity of who came to see will have impact in the lives of those that witnessed this attempt. The Sea Org members and staff at LA Org will have this celebrity moment to add in their memories, it’s a standout moment nonetheless.

        They in the Sea Org there and even more so the LA Org staff there cannot hide that two famous people came to see Jessica.

        It will create a mystery in Jessica’s mind. Jessica will be always wondering who came?

        That this even even happened, is a very important historical effort anyways!

        On so many fronts, this WAS a very important moment and Jessica will always have that moment, even if Jessica doesn’t know it in full, the fact that Jessica was denied access to see the people who came to see her, that the fact was this was a famous pair of people, there is weight to this moment even happening,

        I have to thank Cait for even adding her celebrity to this moment even happening.

        I hope it gets out now, that Tony’s put it out there today.

        This ought to be a bigger media article.

        It will even more get across to Jessica.

        It was an important moment, exasperating, but it really happened, it is a big deal.

        Cait Jenner just doesn’t grace every location in the world, and it was a special moment nonetheless.

        I wonder what other celebrities could come pay Scientology facilities would be up to paying a visit socially like this, to try to make a positive dent in Scientology’s vicious disconnection policy.

        • BeezleBobby

          If Jessica is in the Sea Org, is it possible she wouldn’t know who Cait Jenner is? And I also wonder if she knows Al is now Kate?

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            Hard to say. Depends on if any of the LA Org staff know that a celebrity TV show person and one of the show’s cast came into LA Org to speak with her, and this may stick in her mind for the odd way that her fellow staff try to pooh pooh and make nothing of that visit.

        • Robert Eckert

          I hope the basic concept “Somebody cares about you” at least gets through to Jessica.

  • What’sup

    Tomorrow night on The Underground Bunker!

    The cast of Jersey Shore invade Flag. Demand to see oiliness table.

    • Ella Raitch

      I’d rather it was The Walking Dead

      • What’sup

        They’re on staff.

        • Ella Raitch

          Of course they are!

    • richelieu jr

      Every table on the Jersey Shore is an Oiliness table.

      Res Ipsa loquitur

  • Just wanted to comment to recommend Kate’s book and to say that the disconnection policy of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology is wrong. Who knows, maybe disconnection will be the thing that catches the eye of the public (who is iafter all, financing this via the very underserved tax break in the US).

    Best of luck to the many ex members who are actively chipping away at this – hopefully Willie and Phil’s excellent billboard will continue to make waves on Saturday

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I bloody love Kate Bornstein. If she’s a freak then give me more freaks every day of the week. I was gutted to be away for her London performances earlier this year.

    My respect for Caitlyn Jenner has just sky-rocketed, too. I always had massive respect for her trans journey and wondered how she was coping as the standard bearer for the trans community, a position she seemed to have been placed in rather than chosen herself, but I have to admit to a lurking horror of all things Kardashian which might have coloured my opinion of her somewhat. Not any more, though.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Well said love, my feelings exactly. Kate is a heroine and Caitlyn not being afraid to just walk through the doors of a Scientology building to help her friend, well, that has changed my opinion of her greatly.

      • Sherbet

        I third Betts’s impression of Jenner and the Kardashians. I was very disappointed when Jenner’s first public trans photo was unabashed cheesecake — is this the only thing about womanhood she learned from the Kardashians, that the way to be a woman is to display T&A on a magazine cover? However, I can see she has more layers than that and a core of gutsiness that probably came from the years of being an adored sports hero. WTG, Caitlyn, and, of course, Kate. I hope this wasn’t the end of Kate’s story, and that her daughter wises up eventually.

      • She probably had to go see for herself, just to see that Scientology really was that weird.

      • Linda Clement

        Not to downplay what Jenner did for her friend … but as far as the fear factor of walking into an org, it probably helps if your camera crew is just outside and will have police and private security there in a heartbeat if they have any concern about you, since the TV production company they work for has a few million bucks invested in you. Caitlyn Jenner had no reason to be afraid for herself. The Church of Scientology does not want her as a member, and there’s no way in hell they would have threatened her.

        If Kate had gone in there alone it might have been a very different story.

    • By coincidence, I was reading the introduction to “Queer and Pleasant Danger” (which I had somehow never got around to) just before today’s post came up.

      Looks like I’m overdue for an interesting catch-up.

      PS: Not having a TV, I’ve never see anything Kardashian, so that’s not an issue.

    • MereCatWatcher

      Kate is my inspiration for growing older, both for handling the adversities of health and for looking good. I went to a movie about Kate and had the greatest time dressing up with scarves and feeling fine. People noticed.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    Good story. Times are changing.

    Ten years ago I had never been within a hundred feet of a transgendered individual. Most Canadians had never been within a hundred miles unless they lived in a major city. Since then I found out that a painfully shy boy I knew as a teenager had transgendered and moved to Winnipeg. Another friend transgendered and moved to the California. A dear friend’s son is going through the surgery and hormone therapy right now. Another friend, a man, is keeping company with someone who transgendered into a beautiful woman. And a lady at work’s child is going through the process while attending high school.

    The more we know people like these, the more they will be accepted. The freak factor will diminish.

    Scientology will tell us, one day, that they harbour no antagonism towards the transgendered but they lie so easily. Transgender didn’t exist in Hubbard’s time the way it does today but it will be seen as something Krafft-Ebing would have put on his list if he could have. I think the cult will dissolve before they accept people like Kate Bernstein and Caitlyn Jenner.

    • richelieu jr

      Never been around one– that you knew of.

      They didn’t just invent them, you know. They penalty for not lying all the time has been lowered a bit, that’s all.

      (Rereading this it seems far to severe for your touching and heartfelt post. My apologies. I did not mean it to be.)

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        Thanks, Rich. I hadn’t quite thought of it that way but you’re right. In Toronto there is a gay village and I don’t spend much time there except when I am visiting a specific sculpture gallery. Ten years ago most of the transexuals in Toronto would have spent much of their time there because it was safe and they would be accepted. The first transexuals I ever noticed were in San Francisco, which I was then visiting for the first time. They were well accepted and they became far less mysterious to me at that point. I thought and remarked to people that if I had a child who went through that series of procedures I would encourage him to move to San Francisco because he would be accepted there in a way he wouldn’t be, at that time, in Toronto.

        Now in the past week our Federal government put forth a bill giving protection from discrimination for transgendered people in the same way race, religion, and homosexuality are protected. That is how much things have changed. I think Bruce Jenner may have done for transgendered people what Rock Hudson did for homosexuals, that is, showed the world that the most unlikely people can be part of a repressed group and cause us to rethink our ideas about that group. I believe that nine of the ten provinces now give funding to people undergoing sexual reassignment.

        I met Vaughn Bode in 1972. He was going through transgendering at the time though he did not have surgery. His doctor wanted him to see what it was like to walk around as a women before the surgery. He died just a few years later and never went through with it. At the time Bode was walking around in a dress. I thought that was some weird hippy/artist thing. I was wrong.

        As you point out, I must have been next to transgendered people– on the subway, walking around downtown, perhaps in my classroom as a university student but as with Bode I was too naive to notice. I think that now though, with the decreased stigma and the health care funds being used to reassign people there is more sexual reassignment and it is more noticeable.

  • madame duran

    And she tells audiences that her daughter Jessica stays away from her not because of that unconventional history as a gender theory pioneer, but simply because Kate turned her back on Scientology.

    Does Jessica even know that her father had transitioned? Does she get a hard time within the Scientology organization just for being related to a transwoman (e.g. extra sec-checks)?
    While Kate Bornstein’s departure from Scientology was the primary reason for disconnection, I wouldn’t be surprised if Kate’s unique “gender journey” would also constitute as an additional justification for staying away (knowing how Scientology feels about homosexuality and the LGBT community).

    • BeezleBobby

      “Does Jessica even know that her father had transitioned?” I posed the same question to Chuck before I saw your post.

  • Jimmy3

    What does Caitlyn Jenner eat for breakfast?

    • What’sup

      Frankenberry I think.

      Sorry.

      • Jimmy3

        Theetie-Wheaties

        • Someone’s on a roll this morning.

          • Jimmy3

            Who? I didn’t get any sleep and I’m on E. I guess that’s like being on a roll.

      • Scott H

        No need to be sorry my friend. +1

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Dolce & Gabbana Cheerios.

    • salin

      Maybe the same substance that Allison has in her mug on set? … The ‘I’ll never disclose’ meal of champions.

    • Don’t you hate when people won’t play straight man, and instead give answers to a set-up?
      OK, I give, what DOES Caitlyn Jenner eat for breakfast?

  • SUPPRESSIVE SUPPER: I ATE DINNER AT THE SCIENTOLOGY CELEBRITY CENTRE

    BY L. RON CUPCAKE | MAY 17 2016

    “We devoured the steak, which looked grey and petrified, but came with surprisingly decent French fries—they tasted like McDonald’s—and pasta drowning in butter and cream.

    We escaped the premises—or so we thought—and were walking through the parking lot when the attendant said, “Have a good evening, Candy.” That’s when my friend turned to me and said, “Holy f*ck. I did not tell that man my name.” ”
    http://www.foodandwine.com/fwx/scientology-dinner

  • Newiga

    ” I did get my hopes up for seeing her…”

    I did too when I started reading.. So brave of you, Kate, to give it a try. xxoo

    • salin

      Great story, and another page-turning narrative by our Proprietor. When they were steered towards the other building… I almost thought I heard a voice saying… “Let it happen, please let it happen!”

    • Juicer77

      I hope the message gets through. And good on Kate for showing Caitlyn Jenner exactly how destructive the Co$ is. Another famous and influential person with important knowledge. Tick tock, Davey.
      PS It would be epic if Caitlyn Jenner showed up to crash the SMP opening tomorrow! A popular reality TV star being turned away from a new media production facility?

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I think Caitlyn has done enough crashing for a while.

        • Juicer77

          Too soon!

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            It was not said in jest. I was appalled that Bruce was not officially charged in the death of the other motorist.

            • Juicer77

              Gotcha. That was the first thing I thought of, too, but apparently the investigators felt it truly was a terrible accident.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Yes it was terrible.

              First thing I think of is that celebrities get off with everything, but actually a lot of regular people get off with some pretty dastardly deeds as well. I don’t know what happened in Bruce’s crash, but I’m betting she will be a lot more careful in the future.

            • richelieu jr

              I totally agree. I think of that when I think of her, even before the sex-change and the Olympics.

              Then again, the entire family’s fortune comes from getting guilty (or guilty feeling) people off, one way or another.

              Papa spilt his OJ all over the family, making them rich enough for their neuroses to be ours, and their private lives (ha! Strike that, silly me!) our porn (both real (way to pimp out your girl, ma!) and then, less respectably, emotional and wealth porn on a hither-to unforeseen scale. Marriages, surgeries, nudity, all because… .???

              If I were Jenner I’d have cut off my own head rather than be associated with that fleshy clown car, but it really says something that she is considered the “hero(one) for being public about something she couldn’t avoid anyway (their entire lives are prostituted, no escape), and for getting in serious accidents she walks away from…

              America needs to walk away from that family. They are on TV because OJ Simpson killed his wife and Original Daddy got him off for it.

              And now we’re all doing time

  • Watcher

    Just another instance showing how myopic the COS is. Here’s the thing: By not allowing Kate to see her daughter while being filmed on reality TV, the COS thought they were avoiding a PR disaster, but they actually missed an opportunity to say to the world, “See, we are not keeping families apart!” Instead the COS creates another PR nightmare by adding another situation to the growing list of disconnection stories. Because they should know that this stuff is going to come out. Hello, look at the big picture!

    How many foot bullets before this sinister cult is dead?

    (Edited)

  • Monica Pignotti

    I remember Jessica from when she was three years old and I was in NY at a mission to audit her parents. What a sweet little girl she was! I hope she can free herself soon.

  • aquaclara

    Argh, I was hoping that Kate might just have been able to see her daughter. There are so many disconnection stories, but at the core, they all break your heart. Kids separated from parents for years or even decades for no reason other than the locked-up tight controlling nature of Scientology.

    Nice work, Kate, Caitlyn and Mike. You gave it a huge try, and there are people who saw this who might just call home themselves. And Davey, yes, this might make the papers because this is a hell of a story.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    What a great story. I really appreciate Jenner and Bornstein together in the quest of seeing her daughter. Love to hear more if and when anything comes of this adventure. I sure hope the daughter will know it was her father who came by. If she gets in trouble, so be it, might help her.

  • aquaclara

    Just for a moment, can you imagine if this had made it on TV?

    • FredEX2

      It still may…now that Tony reported it…it might potentially be picked up and reported in other media.

    • Juicer77

      Part of me wishes they had filmed inside the building, but I totally understand why they didn’t. Kate’s #1 priority was trying to see her daughter. 🙁

  • FredEX2

    Tony, thank you for posting Chris Shelton’s videos from his Critical Thinking series. Each one has been so informative and he delivers the information in such a concise manner that I feel more ‘clear’ than I ever felt after hours of auditing. His little talks are like gems and I appreciate each one for how helpful they are towards healing from my encounters with Scientology. Once you comprehend how the layers work that draw an individual into a Cult’s mind think and how they play into our human emotions and distort thought processes…there’s no going back.

    Thank you to Chris for these little gifts.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    So, DM, when you open your new super-duper hi-tech tv/radio studio,
    Will you have a phone-in where the public can re-connect, at least on the phone?

    You want to “clear” the planet but you can’t even handle a phone call.
    Super Powers …. Pffft!

    Fear is the fundamental motivator of all of Hubbard’s work –
    fear of dissent, fear of the truth, fear of independent inquiry.

    Kate, your story hurts like all the sad litanies of disconnection.
    No one can ever say you lack courage.
    My heart goes out to you.

    Tick Tock, Tiny Tinpot Tosser

    • FredEX2

      Kate and Caitlyn were certainly brave to venture into a Scientology Org. What a program that would’ve made!! One thing for sure Pan, Scientology won’t be showing “The Path” on their SMP programming schedule!!!

      • Snuzey

        I have managed to watch the first episode of this (I live in the UK)…. WOW. I was mesmerised like a hypnotic Scion, its brilliant. Got the rest lined up to watch now!

        • FredEX2

          It gets even better…especially the last few episodes. More and more similarities…makes you wonder what else Miscavige is hiding. Very intriguing. Highly recommend ‘The Path’.

          • Snuzey

            With that recommendation, I can hardly wait now! The lead guy (not Cal, the one that has the revelation), he kind of reminds me of Vonni Ribisi, and I’m finding myself watching it pretending it is him! Serious totty in my view, and so was Cal until he did the whole violence bit. (Not that you would necessarily be interested in that last sentence!) 😉

      • Dr_Orpheus

        I can’t imagine why they would be afraid of the Path since it Clearly has absolutely nothing to do with a wonderful, Freedom loving religion like Scientology!

        • FredEX2

          LOL.

  • salin

    Chris Shelton: (Another) Great video! I appreciate how you have broadened these explanations out beyond Scientology – and walk viewers through key similarities (and powerful mind traps) used by all destructive cults to create black/white thinking and alternative (but cemented – while in) constructs of ‘the real world’. Love how you point out the similarities in the thinking to those convinced by global conspiracy theories, its a very powerful parallel. Well done.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Remeber to go to his Youtube channel to upvote his videos as well 🙂

    • Peter

      Oh? There *aren’t* any global conspiracies? You’re aware that it only takes two to create a conspiracy? But, somehow, there aren’t any? Seems just a bit too simplistic.

      • Of course there are conspiracies. People conspire on a daily basis. 19 men with box cutters was a conspiracy, a global one, even. Lots of evidence for it in the aftermath. I’m pretty sure they’re talking about Truther-level crazy for which there is little to no evidence. Moon landing hoaxer crazy. Chemtrail crazy.

        • You got it R2.

        • salin

          Indeed, price-fixing happens all the time – collusion or conspiracy – it happens. Back in the mid-late 90s – for a period gas prices were hiked in the Bay area “because of refinery fires” – but, it turns out there was a major price war (lowering prices to drive independent gas stations out of business) in the LA area, those things do happen.

          You are right, Chris’s graphic and descriptions and my references are more towards the ‘FEMA Camps – being set up all over the country!!l!l! ‘ (who was doing it ? Bush W during his presidency, then – it switched to Obama during his presidency), and others for which just a little bit of researching beyond that groups’ bubble yields no evidence to support, and a lot of counter evidence to disprove.

          Not that he’s the only one – but really Alex Jones territory.

        • Peter

          I’ve noted that reaction to conspiracy theories depend exclusively on what one believes is a conspiracy. The major media is quick to condemn ANY such conspiracy, even though those same events are proven correct. The casual use of the word, without specifics, leaves one floundering. 🙂 I’m still not sure about chemtrails. There are a lot of them daily in our area.

          • ze moo

            You are seeing contrails, not chemtrails.

      • salin

        Well, Nessi did conspire to hide Bigfoot in exchange for getting a hideaway in the Berring Sea 😉

    • Thank you!

  • Juicer77

    Check out Mike Rinder’s blog today – apparently the Co$ is getting into recycling stats, bigtime! http://www.mikerindersblog.org/completion-lists/

    Also this insightful comment from Dollar Morgue: ‘Acceptable truthing as a way of life. I recently received two mags, each from a different org hundreds of miles apart, in the same week. I checked out the success stories. One org published the first name and initial for the surname, the other simply published the storyteller’s initials. I found the same success story, word for word (only slightly abbreviated) by apparently the same person in both mags.
    Then I noticed the scientology legalese. The heading for the success story section in both mags never said anything about these success stories being from the orgs’ fields. They were stories from “scientologists”.’

  • Out and about

    This policy has me sickened. I’ve had family disagreements, not spoken for a while, but I’d be dipped in shit if forced to disconnect from any of them! Hubbard was an evil son of a sea dog, he couldn’t take criticism on any level, so off with their heads! Shame on any of you still ins who embrace this policy. The most ethical group on the planet? This entity must be shut down.

    • Juicer77

      Not only Hubbard’s ego, but the knowledge that any open discussion of disagreement would cause his house of cards to collapse that much faster.

      • Out and about

        Juicer, how right you are! How it ever got off the ground at all amazes me!

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    “Mike Rinder had pulled a few strings…”

    Somewhere in a desert compound a little man has been starting at this line on his computer for the past 1 hour 41 minutes, disbelief and horror writ small upon his taut and shiny visage. That’s right, Miscavige: Mike Rinder is still capable of reaching inside your organisation and pulling strings. How does that make you feel this morning?

    • Ella Raitch

      Even his leaks are getting leaks

      • richelieu jr

        Even his little penis has a little penis with a little step ladder that it uses to piss upon underlings form a slightly-greater height.

        SeaOrgers are ordered never to ask too many questions about why in Hemet it only rains from about the knees down, and even on sunny days.

        • Cynthia

          Thanks,the little penis with a little penis on step ladder. I now have a picture of tiny wee penis on ladders stuck in my head. Is there a remedy?

          • April Moonlight

            i don’t really want to think about his anatomy… *shudders*

          • richelieu jr

            Yes, but you’re going to need a tinier ladder….

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      This is just about the same thought I had when I read it as well 🙂

    • Jimmy3

      Probably so angry he hasn’t even touched his breakfast. And what does he eat for breakfast, anyway?

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Bunny rabbit souls and kitten hearts, with toast points.

        • Jimmy3

          Captain Punch.

          • Jimmy3

            What do these jokes eat for breakfast?

            • Jimmy3

              Corny Flops.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Nah, Captain Punch cracked me up. I can picture a drunken Miscavige in one of those hats that Captain Crunch wears ranting about cereal. 😀 I truly believe he’s that nuts.

            • April Moonlight

              haaaaa…. 😀

            • richelieu jr

              That’s been my proud supplier of jokes since the early 70s…

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Jimmy, I need to know what these people eat for breakfast:

              John P.
              OTVIIIisGrrr8
              Monique Yingling
              Kendrick Moxon
              Panopea Abrupta
              Judge Dib Waldrip

              Hook a sista up with the inside info. 🙂

            • Sherbet

              Well, we know Yingling gets muffins. The rest, I don’t know.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              This is true.

              (BTW, a pox on whoever created auto-correct…it always changes Dib to Dip. Sorry your Honor. 🙂

            • richelieu jr

              That’s why he wears that bib.

              (and brings a spare)

            • flyonthewall

              u think she hails from the island of Lesbos?

            • Sherbet

              Oh jeez. //swatting fly away//

            • flyonthewall

              I seriously thought that’s what you were saying though! I forgot about the Golden Era muffins thing for real, I swear.

            • April Moonlight

              heeheeeee.

            • richelieu jr

              Isn’t there some sort of cannibalism law invoked by Muppets eating their young?

            • Jimmy3

              Subprime Prime Rib
              Clearios
              Muffins and Sausage Blinks
              Tang
              Insects for survival

            • Jimmy3

              And crumpets, I would assume

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
            • Jimmy3

              Pan would probably say something like
              Greed, Dregs and Scam

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Let’s just agree that whatever we say, Pan would say it better. XD

            • Jimmy3

              Dontcha know it

            • ze moo

              What, no Spam?

            • richelieu jr

              Yes, but pronounced “Strumpets’ for some reason they always smirk about when talking ‘breakfast nookies’

            • richelieu jr

              Older, weaker jokes that can no longer defend themselves since Berle died and they escaped from his file cabinet…

          • richelieu jr

            Isn’t that the name of his Pooch?

            (Salute when you say that, mister!)

        • Sejanus

          …and Scotch…lots of Scotch.

      • Joe Hurtado

        People are actually mentioning food items? I’d have thought Johnny Walker.
        ETA: I just now see that Sejanus already has.

    • Linae Anderson

      Even smaller than usual, I’ll bet. The incredible shrinking despot. Pretty soon, he’ll be nothing.

    • Leigh Andrews

      In any organization, one’s loyalty (and willingness to take a chance to benefit someone else) tends to be reserved for co-workers, not command. That Scientology does not have a Niagara Falls-level of leaks daily surprises me, given Miscavige’s “punish first, trial later” view.

    • Ann B Watson

      Hi Andre’i-Betty’Garner, Your post made me feel fantastic.As for David the less said the better..xo

  • Fred G. Haseney

    Re: “The two of them [Caitlyn Jenner and Kate Bornstein] were there [at LA Org] asking to see Bornstein’s daughter, Jessica Baxter, who Kate has not seen in more than 30 years.”

    Every time I hear about how scientology’s toxic practice of “disconnection” has affected yet another person, I shake my head and chills run up and down my spine.

    L. Ron Hubbard defined a “squirrel” as someone who engages in actions that alter scientology, because of their “inability” to comprehend the subject. With an obsession over a perfect application of the only technology that could save every man, woman and child on Teegeeack, Hubbard closed the door on any change, period. Phil and Willie Jones, with their message of love (“call me”), actually defy scientology to think outside the box, to toss out that toxic practice, and it’s driving the Sea Org crazy.

    Caitlyn Jenner and Kate Bornstein, if you’re available, we would love to include you at Saturday’s peaceful protest at the grand opening of Scientology Media Productions.

    Calling All Squirrels—Scientology Media Productions Update

    This is Photojournalist Fred G. Haseney with his eye on scientology. Today, I’m setting aside a blog in which I would have reported from the Pacific Area Command Base (“PAC Base” or “Big Blue”), the so-called “church” of scientology’s West Coast headquarters. Instead, I’m reporting from Scientology Media Productions (“SMP”), located at 4401 W. Sunset Blvd., about ten blocks east of PAC Base.

    “It’s official!” screams a flyer for SMP’s Grand Opening on Saturday, May 28, 2016. It’s also a monumental and historic moment, as far as scientology is concerned.

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    Photo Caption: This map of PAC Base and SMP, courtesy Google Maps, will help event attendees and others to get their bearings.

    (1) The black box encompasses the streets that surround PAC Base: Sunset Blvd. to the north; Catalina St., to the west; New Hampshire Ave. to the east, and Fountain Ave. to the south. The blue box inside the black box indicates “Big Blue.”

    (2) This is the parking lot for the Los Angeles Organization (“LA Org”), located at 4810 W Sunset Blvd. The event flier indicates that event attendees will be required to go to this parking lot: “Everyone will need to sign in at the LA Org parking lot… Leave yourself at least 2-3 hours for this process.” The building south of LA Org is the American Saint Hill Organization (“ASHO”), located at 1413 L. Ron Hubbard Way (“LRH Way”), the street in between Catalina St. and New Hamsphire. There are two entrances into LA Org’s parking lot: one from Catalina St., and the other is from LRH Way (see “A” and “B” below).

    (3) This square indicates the Advanced Organization of Los Angeles (“AOLA”), located at 1306 LRH Way as well as the Continental Liaison Organization (“CLO”), at 1308 LRH Way and the International Association of Scientologists (“IAS”), on Fountain Ave.

    (4) This is a parking structure owned by scientology.

    (5) This is The Fountain, apartments for out-of-town scientologists doing training or auditing.

    (6) This is the intersection of Sunset Blvd. and Vermont Ave., frequented by LA Org Body Routers (“BR”).

    (7) The black box encompasses the streets that surround the SMP facility: it’s bordered on the west by Sunset Blvd., to the north by Sunset Dr., and to the east by Hoover St.

    (8) This shows the actual SMP facility.

    (A) This is the Catalina St. entrance to the parking lot behind LA Org and ASHO.

    (B) This is the LRH Way entrance to the parking lot behind LA Org and ASHO.

    (C) This is the main entrance to SMP from Sunset Blvd., at 4401 W. Sunset Blvd.

    (D) If you were to drive south along Commonwealth Ave., and cross Sunset Dr. (the street that borders SMP to the north), you would drive right onto SMP’s back lot.

    (E) This appears to be a delivery entrance onto SMP from Hoover St.

    (F) This appears to be another delivery entrance onto SMP from Hoover St.

    (G) This is an entrance into a parking structure at the south end of the facility.

    (H) This might be an entrance to a good-sized alley that cuts through the center of the facility.

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    Photo Caption: This is the main entrance to SMP from Sunset Blvd. at 4401 W. Sunset Blvd. This is the “exit” side of the entrance and is blocked by staging and seating for the event.

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    Photo Caption: Here is another view of the “exit” gate to SMP at 4401 W. Sunset Blvd. What will they be doing with all of those yellow cones? In the distance, you can see stand-alone lighting, most likely for night time viewing.

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    Photo Caption: This is another view of the staging area. Notice the SMP logo on the wall in the background. Sea Org (“SO”) members work hard at getting the event set up.

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    Photo Caption: This is the entrance to SMP at 4401 W. Sunset Blvd. Notice the SO Security Guard (“SG”) on a bicycle. To his left, a female SO member walks by. In the distance, SO workers help unload a truck of equipment fresh from Acey Decy Lighting (“ADL”). Google identifies ADL as an “established resource for sales, rentals and service of professional lighting fixtures & accessories, located at 200 Parkside Dr., in San Fernando, CA 91340.

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    Photo Caption: This view shows the entrance to SMP (on the right) and the “exit” from the facility (on the left). I shot this picture on Sunset Blvd. I suspect that every inch of these gates will covered for the event; I foresee SO members using “Bed Sheet Tech” to keep out prying eyes. Notice the tower because it now hosts two huge SMP Logos.

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    Photo Caption: This is another view of the entrance to SMP off of Sunset Blvd. All of the facility’s signs are still covered up. Notice the red ribbon and bow over the staging area. Also notice the SO SG straddling his bicycle further up the sidewalk.

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    Photo Caption: Have scientology event goers arrived early and parked along Hoover? Here is a motor home parked on that street with a cat keeping the dashboard warm.

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    Photo Caption: This is item (F) on the map, a delivery entrance onto SMP from Hoover St. I suspect that this will not be used as an entrance to the facility for its Grand Opening because of the metal framing* set up at that location. An entrance into the parking structure (a portion of which can be seen to the left) is item (G) on the map.

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    Photo Caption: This sign (“Scientology Media Productions”) is the focus of the staging area. I’m standing on Hoover St., at item (F) on the map, looking at the entrance/exit onto and from Sunset Blvd.

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    Photo Caption: This is item (H), a gate at an entrance to SMP from Sunset Blvd., south of the main entrance and closer to Fountain Ave. Notice SMP’s transmitting tower.

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    Photo Caption: Here I’m standing on Sunset Dr., north of the facility, where Commonwealth meets an entrance to the facility, marked as item (D) on the map. Notice the framing* erected inside the facility’s rear parking area. Those structures are not blocking the entrance.

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    Photo Caption: Red ribbons and bows over the staging area as seen from item (D), an entrance to the facility where Commonwealth meets Sunset Dr.

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    Photo Caption: Here is another view of item (D). Notice the unblocked gate, the framing that’s been erected, and the large wooden flower boxes. I counted 5 such boxes, and they appear to be waiting to be relocated to a better spot.

    * What I’ve been calling “framing” in today’s blog is normally called “truss” in the lighting business. In one photo, a delivery is being unloaded at SMP: it’s a stack of corner blocks that connect sticks of truss at 90 degree angles. Many thanks to “Shrubbery” for this correction.

    Originally posted to JennyAtLAX (with more photographs and coverage), “Attention All Squirrels!”

    https://jennyatlax.wordpress.com/2016/05/25/calling-all-squirrels-scientology-media-productions-update/#comment-641

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      AAAGGHHH!!! More ribbons and bows!! I hate those damn things!

      • But a chance for Captain David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige to do his rope trick.

        https://youtu.be/pMovCWhEoU4?t=1m30s

        • Fred G. Haseney

          That’s it, that’s all he does, and then leaves?

          • Hi Fred,

            This is just a video of the best bit, from the opening of the Basel Idle mOrgue. There were loads of boring speeches before, also one by Captain Davis “He is NOT insane!” Miscavige. But he did leave the mOrgue within half an hour 😉

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Hey, Phil’s son does those.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I know. It’s not the way their done it’s just the bows themselves. I’m so sick of seeing them. I think of all the BS that goes into putting them up just for Dear Leader to yank and be gone. Grrrrrrr!!

    • Fred, you forgot to include an arrow and a radiation warning sign pointing towards the office of David ‘Let Him Die’ Miscavige at Author Services! The Public must be WARNED of that dangerous little dwarfenfeurher!

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Details, details, details!

      • To be fair to DM, you need a biohazard sign, not a radiation warning.

    • shasha40

      Many thanks for the pics Fred !!! No pictures of “shrub tech “yet ? hee hee

      • Fred G. Haseney

        “Shrub Tech” arrives tomorrow morning, courtesy the Underground Bunker.

        • shasha40

          Whew , you had me concerned there for a minute . What time should I be there ? hee hee

    • madame duran

      “Everyone will need to sign in at the LA Org parking lot… Leave yourself at least 2-3 hours for this process.”

      TWO TO THREE HOURS??? You’d think the attendees were boarding a flight at an international airport, not prepping to drive to a place a few street blocks over to the east. It’s not as if 1000 people are going to show up either. Talk about paranoia! That should prompt a lot of unhappy cult campers to wonder what the fuss is all about. The moles and the “Call Me” protestors are still going to be there taking pictures and giving their reports so what does the security checking of guests achieve?

      • ze moo

        This is what happens when you outsource to the TSA.

      • Chewkacca

        They need to check if any of the attendees are Declared. The list of Declared people is 47X times as long as people currently in, and that takes time. Wouldn’t want any SP jokers and degraders getting in and laughing, now would they? ROOUAARF!

        • madame duran

          Declared members won’t bother signing up to attend the event (they’ll either come as protestors or opt to stay away). The UTR (under the radar) Scientologists that have been giving Tony some insider information AREN’T DECLARED…at least not yet. This is why the cult’s security precautions are a joke. It makes me think the procedure is just “make work” to relieve Miscavige’s anxiety…except it’s not really effective. Oh well. It’s not my concern.

      • Bavarian Rage

        I can’t think of ANYTHING I’d wait for that long in the hot blazing sun! Sorry – not even fanatic enough with sports or music. Even if I were a true believer, I’d be looking for 6 ways to dodge this event. Seriously- how do they get regular folks to attend?

        • Fred G. Haseney

          Luckily it’s Memorial Day weekend in America. If a scientologist turns the ringer of his/her phone “off,” and doesn’t check it in the weeks leading up to the event, it may be a good way to dodge having to attend it completely. But then there’s the next event, and the one after that one.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        “…what does the security checking of guests achieve?” you asked.

        Notoriety.

        • madame duran

          Notoriety of being paranoid freaks?

    • Draco

      That SMP sign is one ugly ass thing. Gaudy and tasteless and just too much. Less is more, scientology.

      • It just makes the already fascist looking Scientology logo look that much more facist.

    • Observer

      And there’s one of the ubiquitous security guards on bikes.

    • Juicer77

      The “framing” will be used for bedsheet tech, as you suggest. No sneaky across-the-street vids for this event, thank you very much!! LOL

      • Sanddancer

        Making me curious how much of a tizzy Scientology would get into if one were to fly a quadrotor up and near the shindig.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hi Fred.

      Thanks for the current photos.

      A couple more observations.

      Look closely at the main entrance on Sunset Blvd. As you are doubtless aware, but others may not know, is that the small guard shack in the center of the entrance/exit gates has fully mirrored windows. It is a safe assumption that it is staffed at all times. Do not ever assume that because you do not see anyone watching you that you are not being watched. You are being watched and recorded whenever you are within view of that shack.

      The large frames being erected at the other two gates are certainly in response to what happened in Atlanta. The Dainty Miss cannot bear the thought that someone out there may be LOOKING AT HIM. So it looks like they are putting up high frames in order to block any views from the structure across the streets and in the neighborhood that adjoins the facility. Hope that the folks from the Los Feliz Welcome Wagon have pre-clearance.

      I have attached another aerial view to illustrate some of what I have been talking about. It also shows details of the property and what will be happening on Saturday.

      The yellow box is the stage. The red line shows where the ribbon and bows have been mounted. The blue shaded area is where the crowd will be herded. (6,000? But of course.) The white circles are the three major access points to the lot. Finally, the black lines are where framing is being erected. No surprise that these are being put up where there is a direct line-of-sight to the stage from outside.

      If more of the truss goes up at the main entrance this will confirm that they are simply walling themselves in for the day. This would, however, look bad for their own photos– and appearance always trumps reality for the Dainty Miss. So more likely they will throw all those cones out on the sidewalk and street while the speechifying is going on. There will almost certainly be a huge security presence at this time as well.

      I am looking forward to images of the whole property looking like it has been done over by a paranoid Christo. Scientology can claim they are masters of communication and PR, and that their facilities are “the friendliest place on earth.” But the reality of Scientology’s toxic “Tech” will be on full display this Saturday. They are hiding. Be prepared to explain to the neighbors not only what is going on, but why. Bear in mind, these folks live there and will be there long after many of you are gone.

      Again, be safe, have a good time, and bring back the LULZ photos.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        The words and phrases you used, “Speechifying,” and “Miss Dainty.” Oh, my! Thanks for the heads up on that front-and-center mirrored guard shack. I’ve had so much fun with those guards not wanting to show their faces but, instead, extend their arms out, camera in hand, hoping to grab a shot of me. That’s when I wave, say “Hi,” and grin. I love your colored overhead shots; beautiful. The ribbons and bow section has been extended: they’ve added two little bows further north along the top of the same building. Yellow cones are now outside blocking the entrance off of Sunset Blvd., and I have a new post at JennyAtLAX that also shows the DRONE! I’ll post here tomorrow morning. I have so much fun doing this; I have just as much fun interacting with you and the Bunker. Thank you.

  • Mark Allen Shreck

    even though they were not successful in seeing Jessica, it is amazing the amount of help that is available to those who are willing to accept it, and those willing to provide it. Here’s to hoping that news of someone wanting to see her will flip the switch and prompt Jessica to reach out.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    ((($)))

    ((($)))

    ((($)))

    $cientology Media Productions
    (SMP or SuMP, or perhaps Shit My Panzers for Der DwarvenFuhrer?)
    DM, you have a logo in parentheses?
    How suitable – in the absence of theses, I guess you’ll have to make do.
    Did you read your parent’s thesis about you?

    Are those hugs? Nah, love is so downstat it doesn’t even make it on the Tone Scale.
    Are they the veils and legal cloaking, the front-groups, shills and bad attempts at PR?
    Or are they the ripples of seismic shift as your fetid rep stinks up the joint, spreading in
    ever more powerful ripples?

    Broadcast? You won’t even narrowcast.
    If a cult fails in the city, does anybody care?

    • Peter

      I repeat again, that a SUMP is a collection point for unwanted liquids and/or excrement, also known as a cess pool. Seems a fitting word.

  • SciWatcher

    “The freak factor”

    Ironically, to me, reality show stars are the freaks, not the transgendered. So first Bruce, and then Caitlyn, and the whole damn family have always been freaks to me. This, though, really humanizes Caitlyn. I LIKE her. Too bad she’s on a freakish reality show 😉

    (Also, I have always been struck by what a beautiful woman she is!)

  • Kim O’Brien

    I really really wish that Kate could have seen her daughter , but Jenner is just like a Kardashian now . Eeeww. I can just imagine the ego , the cluelessness , and the SHOCK of realizing that no one there gave a shit who Caitlyn Jenner was . Oh …and WALK ..i know it’s LA , but for crying out loud …she was an olympic champion

    • Sejanus

      better yet…run!…lol

    • Rasha

      I have often giggled at the fact that professional athletes, who have worked years for physical achievement, are often awarded with…. cars. Just one of life’s little teehee moments.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Yeah, but I kinda dig the idea of Kardashian-level hubris going up against CoS-level hubris. Sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire. ; )

  • Rasha

    22 days….. Shouldn’t there be a countdown clock under the HowdyCon banner? HMMM???

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Paging the Madame…

  • Sejanus

    The success is in the trying.
    If you don’t try then $cientology wins by keeping you from doing anything, which is what they want.

  • Sejanus

    So what is the next up money grub after the studio ribbon cutting?

    • richelieu jr

      Don’t think so linearly. There is no “next”, only an “Always” and an “Ongoing”, in a sort of transmigration all, glad-handing, love-bombing, constant cluster-suckage of cash….

      Listen! There, that slight hissing noise you hear in the house at night, lights off, not a creature stirring… It is the whirring of the perpetual reg-cycle, the L Ron Hoovering up of savings, retirements, slave profits, college educations, rainy day funds and “fuck-you” funds for battered wives–

      (“Auditing can’t help Women like that! The bitches just keep pulling it in, and pulling it in, endlessly M the little Tramps, day after day year after year, lifetime upon millennium… And you, know, studies have proved the little Hussies all have one thing in common, these so called “Battered Wives”! You know what it is? Do you?”

      CMO Officer, Karin, age 9, nervously, “No, Commodore Hubbard, I don’t”

      “They just DON’T LISTEN!!!”

      “Yes, sir.”

      “Yes, sir! Yes, sir! See, it is starting already… OK, run along. You have to tell a couple of businessmen to stop masturbating. Use tone 40!”

      She leaves…..

      “Yeah, she’ll use Tone 40, alright. Probably WD40, lube her…” He pauses M hearing something, “What is that whittling, sucking noise? The hollow “pop” of a suction seal breaking… I sure hope the pneumatic cash-extractors haven’t broken down again… Hmmm, sodas pretty constant. Probably all the women doing abortions on themselves…. Hussies! Have I taught them nothing?”

    • Tony Ortega
      • Sejanus

        These winners never let up.
        Unreal.

  • richelieu jr

    Well, I have to admit that Kaitlyn Jenner has come up a great deal in my estimation. Up till then, I have to admit that I pretty much thought that Bruce Jenner was kind of a dope, and I was happy enough that he’s transition seems to have gone well and that Kaitlyn has seem to find acceptance and fame for a personal act of bravery, but in my book it was pretty much: a dope is a dope is a dope

    However, going with Kate straight into Scientology, giving her not only moral support, but the support her not-so-dismissable celebrity (perhaps the only thing the CoS holds in nearly the same respect as money) as an implicit threat that all this could easily tumble into the public sphere, pouring more media salt in the still raw wounds publicly opened by Paul Haggis to expose thier 1950’s gender rigidity, homophobia and outright gay persecution. This she did without making it all about her by bringing cameras along (although that might’ve been much more telling, and better for our purposes, whatever her intentions might’ve been) showing for me that she’s made of sterner, sturdier, and generally superior stuff that I give her credit for.

    Stay tuned.

    • shasha40

      Dang , Richelieu Jr , you took the words right out of my head ! Todays post definitely has me seeing her in a different light .

    • jazzlover

      In all likelihood, your assessment of Kaitlyn is at least partially based on his association with the publicity-grubbing Kardashians. I know that I’m guilty of that, but if you think about it, there’s a lot to respect about him, especially when you consider that he did help raise a bunch of K’s that weren’t his own kids. He never backed away from those responsibilities, when he had every excuse in the world to do so. As a matter of fact, it was his complete immersion into those lives that may have caused his problems with his own biological children.

      • richelieu jr

        Well, of course it has. As for the rest, I am tempted to point out that loving your partner’s children comes with marrying the person. In other words, it is the MINIMUM requirement. Just because not everyone does it doesn’t make you are some kind of hero for not pissing in public.

        Then again, i have seen those girls in action, and I find precious little to love, so more kudos to Caitlin.

    • Joe Hurtado

      Took the words out of my mouth, also. I am starting to see her in a better light, though I can’t get over her love for Ted Cruz and cluelessness about life outside her bubble. (Ted Cruz is going to create jobs for trans people! Why hasn’t he called and asked me to be his trans ambassador?) Kate kind of hinted at Cait’s arrogance which was totally called for in this situation.

  • richelieu jr

    Countdown to Miscavige and the CoS accusing Caitlin Jenner of using THEM to get publicity,

    (I get a great big grin on myself imagining how ol’ seen it all Ron would have shivered in disgust at the idea of such a person trodding the plush carpet of his celeb centre. If he’d had to shake her hand, there wouldn’t have been enough hand sanitizer on Earth for him, he’d have to send a Marcabian to Venus to pick up another couple of trainloads…)

    • shasha40

      What a lovely vision !

      • richelieu jr

        Oh, I’m full of ’em!

    • Dr_Orpheus

      No doubt, this will include accusations of how Kate was kicked out of the church for extremely unethical behavior which was in no way related to her gender change. COS is very, very, very, absolutely, honest to Ron tolerant of transsexuals and homosexuals. Maybe even throw in a completely, absolutely in her own words speech by Jessica about how the Disconnection was made entirely of her own free will.

    • Ann B Watson

      Hi richelieu Jr. Thank you for a post that is perfect for me today,Truth and Laughter what a nice mix for my coffee in the am!I have not been here long,but have scrolled some comments from yours.Y’all here are the bomb and not the way Ron hurled those love-bombs either!All here create a strong support for me and as you get to know me better I will expand my Sea Org story if anyone would like to peruse it.Thank you,Always

      • Chee Chalker

        Hi Annie! Tell your story! The Bunker always loves a good Sea Org story!

        • Ann B Watson

          Hi Chee Chalker, I’m working my way to doing just that.Probably put y’all to sleep,the way I can carry on!
          Seriously I do want to tell how I was hoodwinked years ago.Plus you are an inspiration to me.XO Annie

      • shasha40

        Welcome, Ann ! here , have a seat and some cake !

      • Juicer77

        I would love to hear about your experiences.

        • Ann B Watson

          Hi Juicer77, Thank you! I will get it together and post it all after I do some fun stuff with medical types next week.Juggling alot of balls but hey we are all OT LOL! XO

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Thought you’d like to see this Ann. Our boys having fun & raising money. 🙂

        https://twitter.com/Saints/status/735647774100705280

        • Glen

          Me, in stickler mode again. 2 players scored in front of Drew so technically, this is a 3 run shot.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Did he score or was he just running over there to congratulate the guy who just scored? I was wondering that too. They’re so chill at these events, anything is possible. 🙂

            • Glen

              Ah, right you are. I’m turning in my stickler badge.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              No, no. Keep it. We need sticklers. ; )

          • Ann B Watson

            Hi Glen, Good to meet you.I am clueless as to the actual rules of baseball,hubby watches Everything including FAA football,which I like too.That is why I have my own TV in the bedroom! Lol.If Drew and the boys win at any game,I am smiling.Look forward to more of your comments.Always,

            • Glen

              Hi Ann. I was just making a trivial point about the Saints charity baseball game but I was incorrect. It wasn’t in any way important anyway.

              On the other hand, I haven’t yet personally welcomed you to the bunker as so many others have. I, and many others, also read Mike Rinder’s blog. We have become familiar with your always kind and positive posts and are delighted that you are making your presence felt here as well. Welcome, most warmly, welcome.

            • Ann B Watson

              Hi Glen, I so appreciate your kind welcome.So much better than the ones I got when in.I am very happy to be here.Look forward to your comments.xo

        • Ann B Watson

          Hi NOLAGirl(Stephanie), What a wonderful clip to start my day with.Thank you Angel,you know I love “0ur Boys”.I have fun baiting hubby who is a die hard Patriots Fan.but secretly likes LSU football and likes Drew but will not admit to it!Love seeing you here!😍😍😎xo

      • Ella Raitch
        • Juicer77

          LOL that cat trying to get up on the bed XD

          • Ella Raitch

            And baby pulling hair (think this might be NOLAGirl)

      • richelieu jr

        Welcome aboard, and thanks.

        I, for one, would love to hear your story!

        • Ann B Watson

          Hi richelieu jr, Thank you from my heart! I will I promise get to my story.I do not want to hog any space though and I love reading your posts.xo

  • Mrs. V.

    Oh, Kate, I’m so sorry you weren’t able to see your daughter, but I’m glad you went with a friend and didn’t have to deal with the disappointment on your own.

    • MarcabExpat

      Co-sign. I’m not a Caitlyn Fenner fan at all, but that shit was awesome. Applause to her, no snark.

  • Cedilla

    The Escalade Escapade.

    Love Chad Essley’s illustration.

  • aquaclara

    Kate showed up at Tony’s book event with Paulette in NYC….nice friends!

  • Dice ✓

    OT: about SMP Grand Opening Protest – someone on twitter suggested that we should make some “CallMe” cookies to hand out?

    • Cedilla

      “we should make some “CalMe” cookies to hand out?”

      I first read that as CalMag.

      • Dice ✓

        ohh noooo it was CallMe (2 LL- my bad) or maybe some other text embedded in the cookie

    • Dice ✓

      or maybe a sneaky fortune cookie with a secret note? he he

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Give water bottles with ‘call me’ labels on them to people in the que to get in.

      • salin

        I had that same thought i response to Dice!

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Or is it queue? I always forget :-/

        • Juicer77

          It’s “waiting in line” in LA. 🙂

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            D’oh! *slaps forehead*

  • justawog

    I love this story! Good job, Caitlyn – my respect for you just did a 180. THIS is how to use your celebrity. I watch Caitlyn’s show and The Kardashian’s (don’t judge me – guilty, mindless, pleasure), and one thing I can say is Bruce / Caitlyn has always taken his / her relationship with her kids very seriously. They are extremely important to her. So I hope she continues to think about how freakin’ bizarre Scientology is and how outrageous disconnection is. Yes, Mike Rinder’s right, Jessica definitely knows, and I think – hope – this event will continue to rattle around in Caitlyn’s mind too, and she’ll ultimately help fight the cause. Good job, ladies.

    • Ella Raitch

      Welcome Justawog

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Welcome justawog. I love your little flower. 🙂

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I honestly didn’t anticipate disconnection being scientology’s major Achilles heel, but I’m glad it’s getting public traction. Welcome to the Bunker!

    • shasha40

      Welcome , justawog !

    • Juicer77

      Welcome!

    • Illinoisian

      Welcome! It’s so good to read a first post and know that a lurker has decided to join in.

  • ze moo

    “What are they going to say that hasn’t already been said?” Caitlyn responded. That is the extant of $cieno PR these days. The same old attack pattern that has become laughable. Laughable, except for the disconnection and human rights violations that is the clampire real legacy.

    Stay strong Kate, you may get to see your daughter yet. The Sea bOrg takeover of LA operations is a last ditch effort to inflate stats. An effort that cannot succeed. The $cieno brand name is just too toxic to get new meat in the door.

  • flyonthewall

    Jun17-19 Cleveland will become the Sodom & Gomorrah of the EUS. Come one come all and bring the entire family!

    • Illinoisian

      Turn your back on HowdyCon and you risk becoming a pillar of salt. Or is it the other way . . . ?

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        If this happens, use me to salt a margarita glass please. 🙂

        • Illinoisian

          I think that has to be indicated on your driver’s licence.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Every other usable part of my body is on there for donation so I assume that covers it. LOL

            • Juicer77

              (Great comments to “secret” over at Rinder’s. Perfectly said. Thank you).

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              ❤❤❤❤

    • Kim O’Brien

      here …rape my daughter instead of the angel ..cuz raping angels is bad ( that story alway freaked me the hell out )

      • flyonthewall

        no tang like angel tang. I would of been like, no I want the angel!

        • Kim O’Brien

          talk about a ” golden rod” …;)

          • gtsix

            Yeah… except angels are, by design, genderless creations.

            • Kim O’Brien

              shit , i forgot about that . Well …THAT is unfortunate

      • Qbird

        Is this Judges 19 — the very particular & extremely nasty Bible story?

        When I got to this ‘story’ I literally threw up.
        Had to go to work. My boss says, geez you look like shit, what’s up?
        Me, “um… I’ve been reading the bible.”
        She, “Well, stop it.”

        • Kim O’Brien

          yup . An angel shows up ..a MALE angel …and the never ending party was still going on . The partiers see the angel and are all like ” WOW …look at that super duper smoking hot ANGEL ! Hey …let’s rape him ! ”

          Lot was all like ” Dudes , for fuck sake , you can’t gang rape an ANGEL …but here , have my daughter “

          • Qbird

            oh wait… this one is from Genesis 19 (Lot & his ‘lot’)
            Crap, sadly, I am talking about another bible rape story, Kim.
            shit shit shit.
            In Judges, it’s a rich man’s concubine who is thrown to the mob, raped to death, then cut up into pieces & sent to the 12 tribes. wtf?!
            no kidding, it made me physically ill & I quit reading the bible (on my own) after that.
            I started studying w/ JW’s. Few years later found my way here to learn about Scn.
            Saw / felt the indoctrination for what it is — ended it the JW indoc. processing.
            Sit here now… seriously agnostic & leaning more & more toward antitheism.
            losing my religion – so be it.

            • Kim O’Brien

              I come from a big extended Irish Catholic family . I’m an atheist. My kid is going to one of the top private Catholic high schools in the country next year . She has never even been to church and has no idea what the trinity even means . Life is interesting huh ? 🙂

    • Dr_Orpheus

      You will never find a more retched hive of entheta and bigotry!

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Come or come not, there is no try.

  • WOG with Attitude

    Such stupid cult games. Just let the girl see Kate. If their religion is so perfect, disagreement and non-believers wouldn’t send them into apoplexy. Oh. I guess it’s FoS!

  • Wog

    If Bruce Jenner / Caitlin can get those Kardashian Girls to help expose Scientology’s evilness…those Kardashian’s will really have done something spectacular for Humanity and would be considered Mankind’s Biggest and Bestest Friends forever BBFF!

    Just imagine the damage those beyatches could do with their dough. $$$$ Add a little of Kenya’s altitude and attitude and we may have the perfect ingredients for some SERIOUS SCIENTOLOGY SUPPRESSION!!

    Oh – please God, please, pretty please….get that family to take out Scientology!!

    Get Chris Jenner on it too – she would kick some Scientological ASS~!

    • Kim O’Brien

      i say we donate the Kardashian clan to scientology . For science

      • Cedilla

        Oh my gosh.
        Say what you will about the Kardashians but they’re too smart to be sucked into the Scientology nonsense.
        I’m not one of their fans but I wouldn’t wish COS on anybody.
        The Kardashians are human beings.
        We all have our own way in life.

        Bornstein and Jenner at Scientology HQ.
        A WOW factor.
        Who’d have thought!!!!

        • Kim O’Brien

          oh for fucks sake

          • Cedilla

            “oh for fucks sake”

            Kim, Ha. Love it.

            I figured your response would have a fuck in there somehow.
            I am not disappointed. 🙂

            Your punctuation sucks.

            Love, Cedilla.
            I do mean that!

            • Kim O’Brien

              when it comes to talking about scientology ……there will always either be a ” fuck ” in the sentence …or a ” gag ” . or a ” stop abusing your own children ” or a ” stop abusing your own family ” or ” stop kicking your children out of the house for being gay ” or a ” stop breaking the law ” or a ” stop scamming people ” or ” stop lying in court ” or ” stop forcing women to have abortions” or ” stop killing peoples children in a fake drug rehab scam ” . etc .

      • Sejanus

        I say we donate them to Purina for dog food…lol

    • Cedilla

      “If Bruce Jenner / Caitlin can get those Kardashian Girls to help expose Scientology’s evilness…”

      Uncanny.

      I would find that extremely fascinating.

    • jazzlover

      I can see the headline now:

      “Kanye Takes Credit for Inventing AND Destroying Scientology”

      It was time to head east from west, says iconic self-pronounced genius.

    • They have absolutely no redeeming value.
      No interest in improving themselves or the world.

    • Always Amazed

      KJ empire doesn’t do charity work, only if she can financially benefit

  • Science Doc

    On owning the freaks factor…

    Hunter S. Thompson said, “When the going gets tough, the weird turn pro”.

    • Bobby Tolberto Aka TDA

      You are a Shit Spotter. It’s satisfying work. … We have observed
      that most of the trouble in the world has been caused by ten to
      twenty percent of folks who can’t mind their own business,
      because they have no business of their own to mind, any more
      than a smallpox virus. Now your virus is an obligate cellular parasite
      and my contention is that evil is quite literally a virus parasite
      occupying a certain brain area which we may term the RIGHT center.
      The mark of a basic shit is that he has to be right. And right here
      we must make a diagnostic distinction between the hard-core
      virus-occupied shit and a plain, ordinary, mean no-good son of
      a bitch. Some of these sons of bitches don’t cause any trouble at all,
      just want to be left alone.

      The Place Of Dead Roads‎(1983), p. 155. William S. Burroughs

  • flyonthewall

    Did the driving around the block for no reason freak the clams out? It sounds like they could of gotten to see Jessica

    eta – why would you drive a few hundred feet if you already had a parking spot and everything? Is that how you crazy people do it in LA?

    • Cedilla

      “Did the driving around the block for no reason freak the clams out?”

      They just aren’t used to seeing cars in their parking lots.

      • Juicer77

        Score.

    • Mrs. V.

      According to Missing Persons, “Nobody walks in L.A.”.

    • Juicer77

      I would have hoofed it over there QUICK but they probably already walkie’d her to hide in a bathroom or something.

      • flyonthewall

        Right, I considered that but if they were going to blow them off wouldn’t they just say, “She’s busy, did you want to leave a message?” from the start? Why be like, “Oh sure she’s here go ahead to her office”?

        • Juicer77

          LA, man. LA. f5

    • Bobby Tolberto Aka TDA

      There are entire residential sections of LA, like Studio City, where there are no sidewalks, just a 6-inch concrete curb between the lawn and the asphalt, or pavement in the American use of the term. To say that LA is car-centric is like saying kangaroos are good at jumping around.

    • salin

      And this was *before* the Call Me drive bys.

    • Draco

      That’s what I thought. If only they had walked right over? Maybe…

  • rom661

    I’m not a regular here. Let me rephrase that; I check the news and on rare occasion skim through some comments. I guess I’m not a Bunkerite, Bunkeroo, whatever. Definitely not one of the players so I doubt that I’m on Mr. Rathbun’s list. I was on his site last night and was sort of shocked at the venom. I’m not going to get into the how much support/how much criticism there was on the Bunker. Just a simple question: How did someone thick skinned enough to work for, be abused by, and do some of the dirty work for Miscavige become so thin skinned. I understand that his wife is involved, I don’t really care what they do, but the reaction on his part seems quite extreme. I’ll go hide in a closet now…..

    • Mrs. V.

      First of all, welcome! You can call yourself a Bunkeroo or Bunkerite, or neither if you wish.
      Secondly, I’m pretty sure most of us here agree with your sentiments that the reactions on Marty’s blog by him and by those who comment on his blog is extreme.

      • dungeon master

        I like BunkerHeads. Probably dating myself..

        • Mrs. V.

          BunkerHeads works! Say it with pride!

    • Juicer77

      Hi rom. Always good to see you. Honestly I don’t have a good answer for you. There must be some reason(s) why the Rathbuns have chosen to act as they have, and for Marty to get so antagonistic toward Tony and the Bunker commenters. Perhaps at some future date these reasons will be made known. For now all we have is the public comments he makes, which frankly don’t make any kind of sense or answer any questions. I occasionally skim over there to read other opinions, but in general very little is productive or worthwhile of my time. Perhaps that will change in the future.

      • jazzlover

        I don’t know about you, but I’d hafta be on many more trains drinking copious amounts of good ale before I even begin to consider caring about those conversations 🙂

        • Juicer77

          That would help!

        • WOG with Attitude

          That’s the thing! I’ve seen people comb through this BB just looking to get upset.

          Really, if anyone is trash talking me, well 1. So what? 2. I’m not going to go looking for it! 3. “Well, that’s just your opinion, man.”–The Dude, is a damn good approach to life & people.

          • jazzlover

            Exactly. Remember where we are. Keyboard muscles abound. As someone wise once said: “The internet is a really dangerous place for stupid people to try to learn something.”

      • I think that part of the reason for his strange behaviour is to distract attention from the reasons behind it. Don’t engage and distract from vulnerable issues is the way he learned to do things in Scientology.

    • Ella Raitch

      Are you saying that you rue the impulse that led to this comment?

    • WOG with Attitude

      He sometimes interprets comments of any kind as attacks. I don’t get it either. I had a lot of admiration for him.

      It’s weird being accused of being an enemy when one is actually a supporter!

      As always, I wish him and other ex Scientologists, the very best.

      • Juicer77

        ^^^

    • Rasha

      Did he mention me? …just askin’.

      • jazzlover

        There are far more worthwhile ways to become a star 😉

        • Jimmy3

          You know the winky face doesn’t make that any less creepy, right?

          • jazzlover

            Since I know it wasn’t meant in a creepy way, I don’t need to worry about that, do I?

            • Jimmy3

              I guess not 😉

            • jazzlover

              Some of us worry about childish, trivial stuff, and others don’t.

              Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose, as they say.

            • flyonthewall

              nobody says that

            • jazzlover

              Geddy Lee did.

        • Rasha

          Hehe! Yah, I s’pose…

    • Observer

      Who?

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Rue?

        All of my fucks have left the building. Have I mentioned that?

        • Observer

          Mine must have tagged along.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Cool, we’ll make it a party.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Don’t leave, mine are right behind yours. Just running late as usual. 😀

    • Roger Hornaday

      You may not be a regular here but clearly you can’t resist dipping your big toe in juicy gossip.

    • dungeon master

      I know Marty was surprised at the disappointment so many people had when they dropped the suit. Honestly, if he could see it from a spectator point of view – it’s like Gladiator dropped his sword and walked off the set while the lion stalked around roaring at us, and we watched in stunned disbelief. In hindsight, some of us overreacted/still have a hard time understanding. But it’s their life – and I would never presume to deny their right to make decisions as they see fit. Many of us wish them well. At the time, I started to compose a typical snarky j&d post, prefacing it with it didn’t feel right to talk about them that way.. and for once I shut my mouth. Marty, if you read this- please allow us our stunned incredulity and try not to let it bother you. Let it go. It’s not worth your continuing aggravation.

      • TonyOrtega

        A more apt analogy might be that the Rathbuns had broken several tackles and were into the open, with only about twenty yards to go to the end zone, when they suddenly took a knee, threw down the ball, declared victory, and then, as they walked off the field, badmouthed the coach for calling a lousy play.

        If an athlete did that, would it really be out of line to call their behavior ‘bizarre’ and ask the question, what were they thinking?

        • Jimmy3

          This just in: The Cleveland Browns have signed QB Marty Rathbun to a 3-year, $15 million deal.

          • Ella Raitch

            They’ll rue the day (I cant stop myself)

            • Chewkacca

              RUUEAARGH!

            • Juicer77

              I will always LOL at this. 😉

        • dungeon master

          This is why you’re the investigative journalist and I’m a lowly BunkerHead ™. 😀

        • edge
      • flyonthewall

        he also left some good people with a million dollar tab he’ll never be able to pay so to me that shows he’s a major asshole and gets what he gets

        • Kim O’Brien

          i was thinking about that the other night . It is like they flat out STOLE like a million dollars in services . Unbelievable .

          • flyonthewall

            Exactly. But hey, they achieved what they set out to achieve so fuck everyone else and bye bye. I don’t think so. You’d think Marty being Mr. Philosopher that he is would have an understanding of karma but *shrug* he got what he wanted and that’s what’s important, right?

            • dungeon master

              Going to sit in the corner..

            • flyonthewall

              Not chiding you master, just explaining to you my anger at Marty. Until this point I really didn’t have any animosity toward him.

            • dungeon master

              Please, call me dungeon. And I’m heading over to join NOLA at the bar. Can I get you something?

            • flyonthewall

              🙂 Sure, I’ll have a Corona w/lime, thnx

            • dungeon master

              Mmm. On it.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Get out of that corner and come back over here to the bar. Opinions, ideas, thoughts….we all have them. There’s nothing wrong with yours.

            • dungeon master

              Thanks, dear. What’re we drinking?

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Let me see…it’s brunch time so, Bloody Mary’s? 🙂

            • dungeon master

              Mmm. Let me get flu his corona w lime. Brb

            • Kim O’Brien

              When he gets to the philosophy 102 course and he reads about determinism …i think his head might explode .

            • Missionary Kid

              Marty’s head will not explode. He’s so convinced that he’s right, and what he does is correct that any contrary information is disregarded or rationalized, just like it was when he was in.

        • dungeon master

          I don’t disagree with you, Fly. I did say stunned incredulity. I just think his reaction to the commenting community is reactionary and if he could calm down and think about it he’d see how it looks to us.

          • flyonthewall

            From what I read about his behavior in My Scientology Movie he cannot handle people criticizing or even questioning him. He called Louie a “fucking asshole”. For what, questioning/challenging him? If he doesn’t get the adulation he thinks he’s entitled to he gets all butthurt and whiny. He can’t control what people say or feel about him and it drives him crazy. He’s a control freak.

            • dungeon master

              You can take the man out of Scientology, I imagine it’s a little harder to stop being the IG. He was probably a lot happier those five years he wasn t speaking out. Much simpler. Did I mention, I have a problem with overabundance of empathy. It’s one of my fatal flaws (and hey! You read it here! On The Underground Bunker comment thread lol) I’m sorry. Did you say what you wanted to drink?

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Fuck it. I can’t even express what I want to say without typing a dissertation.

              It isn’t all about him and I think he hates that. Fucking over Ray Jeffrey and team was just the end for me. I wish him and his family the best but I could care less what everyone over at his site is blabbering about anymore. We have more important things to worry about.

            • dungeon master

              Amen!!

            • dungeon master

              Ready to shut up. But, booze, you know.. Can I have another?

            • Qbird

              blabbering. good word. lol

    • chelleinchicago

      The persecution complex is strong with that one.

  • Gerard Plourde

    Thanks for sharing this story of friendship and courage.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    I love that cartoon and the caption on the desk. Well done.

  • Fink Jonas

    I’m a little disappointed that Jenner didn’t make a statement herself about that day, probably she sees it as unimportant with all the things happening in her life and her famous family, I wouldn’t want Scientology taking the spotlight either.
    I would like to know what the spoke person for Scientology has to say about the transgender community, LRH said in one of the lectures that life after life down the time track we all have been male and female at one time or another, so they should not be surprised about two people that didn’t wait to go thru the implant station in Mars to be what they wanted to be.

    “working as first mate to Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard”
    What’s with LRH and transgenders, didn’t he work also with Denise Brennan? oh well thetans have no gender right? or family either. Wow! that cult is a trip.

    • Qbird

      Also, John McMaster Clear #1

      • Fink Jonas

        Imagine that… the first Clear! oh god! that says a lot about Scientology, I didn’t know he became a trans. either.

        • Qbird

          no, not trans, just a gay person, much beloved by most everyone,
          but that rat bastard Ron.

          • Fink Jonas

            oh got it.

        • Juicer77

          Someone correct me on this, but I think it’s preferred to say “she is transsexual” and leave out the “a”.

          • gtsix

            Yes.

    • Juicer77

      To give Ms. Jenner her due, it was more discreet and acting as a friend to let Kate tell the story in her own time and her own way. I would far rather read the facts here than some tabloid crap about it.

  • flyonthewall

    I read Queer and Pleasant Danger and really liked it. Her Scientology experience was great, especially the encounter at the bank and how her SO “career” started to unravel as a result of it.

    The gender stuff was very foreign to me, like from Mars foreign for real. Obviously I know that there are transgender people out there, at least one student at my kids’ school is transgender, but getting a peek into their world and how they perceive and are perceived was very eye-opening.

    • Jimmy3

      Mars is only foreign to you because deep down, you know you’re really from Venus. And it’s okay. We all love you the same.

      • flyonthewall

        I like to visit Mars but mostly just to drive the fancy cars

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          And now I’ve got Blondie’s Rapture…er…”rap” in my head, which probably hasn’t been in my head since I was 13. So, points to you!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I found out what transgender people go through in a different manner but needless to say, it had the same impact on me. I was just gutted to find out some of the things I did. It opened my mind and my eyes quite a bit.

      • flyonthewall

        It’s crazy right? It’s one thing to know, on a kind of superficial level, that there is a grey area not just b/w male and female but hetero and homosexual but to actually learn about someone’s experiences existing in that grey area is very very different.

        If you’re totally unaware of that world then it would prob be very easy to do or say something insensitive or even cruel but that’s what growing and learning is all about right? Becoming more aware

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Just finding out some of the hateful things people say and do to transgender people. SMH It made me really want there to be a Death Star, laser intact. 🙂

    • What’sup

      Try reading it again but this time tuck your junk up between your legs.

      Worked for me.

      • flyonthewall

        *scribbling* tuck junk…got it! thnx

    • littlefish

      if you’re ever interested in more reading about trans issues – theestablishment.co and autostraddle are great places to start. a little left of left, but real stories by real people.

    • Missionary Kid

      I was a part of a men’s group over 45 years ago. One of the things that really brought about my education was having a person who had undergone a sex change operation come and interact with us. Perhaps it was that encounter that caused me to lose fear of transgender people.

      We really do live in a prudish, sheltered society when we worry about the sexual orientation of people we share a bathroom with. We even insist on privacy when using the bathroom with people of our same sexual orientation. Things certainly have changed. I once explored an abandoned lumber camp, last used at least older than the 1930s, and discovered a 4-holer outhouse seat. There was no privacy there.

  • WOG with Attitude
  • Roger Hornaday

    Sea Org members have time to read the tabloid headlines at the checkout counter where they purchase their cigarettes so it’s safe to assume they know who Caitlin Jenner is. I imagine news of her and another transgendered person at the org spread quickly as sensational news always does in institutions like prisons for example where people lead monotonous, vacuous lives. A famous name like Jenner standing at their gates represents the media wanting to expose private things to the outside world. Jenner could be a problem because how do you ‘fair game’ her if she decides to bring a TV crew and start trouble? “Bruce Jenner is a crossdresser!” Nope, that won’t work will it? See?

    • Cedilla

      Roger Hornaday.
      🙂

    • MarcabExpat

      If anyone in the world is immune to slander, it would be a member of the Kardashian entourage 🙂

  • Hey everyone. What a great story about Kate and Caitlyn today. Gutsy move to go down there with a TV crew! Regardless of the anti-climactic outcome, there is no question that word of this got back to Jessica and made a difference. It always does, even if it takes a long time for it to sink in all the way.

    Tony posted this video for me today and I just thought a few comments were in order. I’ve been digging more into the recovery side of things lately between last week’s video on PTSD and this week talking about how these destructive cults (of which Scientology is but one of thousands) create completely bizarre world views and indoctrinate their followers that this is the way things really are. I only sort of realized this for myself fairly recently, as it started to dawn on me how much of my old “normal” I’d shed and how I was thinking and looking at the whole world very differently these days. The franticness and hyperactivity in my head has died down quite a bit, which I used to attribute to my “Sea Org work ethic” but now realize was just a lingering part of the SO indoctrination to “never be caught slack.” I’m not self-diagnosing as a PTSD case, but I did find it fascinating to discover that mental hyperactivity was one of the signs of PTSD and it made total sense to me how that would be. Anyway, putting some thoughts together for this video helped clarify a few things about the alternate reality that L. Ron Hubbard created, how I had even bought into the Illuminati global conspiracy nonsense because of Hubbard and it highlighted why critical thinking is so helpful in deconstructing it all. I’m really hoping that the stuff I’m putting out in these videos helps other people who have been going through similar stuff. I’m not pretending to be a therapist or trying to go there at all – just sharing some observations and ideas of what has been working for me.

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      I always find helpful ‘bits’ in your videos. They go a long way in helping to untangle.

      • jazzlover

        They even help never-in’s.

        • Rasha

          Hear, hear!

        • Kestrel

          Yes.

        • Everyone needs critical thinking. Everyone.

          • jazzlover

            My critically thinking self agrees. Still not sure how the other me feels 😉

            • Gotta be well rounded. Just make sure the other you is in charge of music, art and fun stuff and don’t let it anywhere near the checkbook and never, never let it decide which car to buy.

            • jazzlover

              Hear hear!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              If I don’t lay off the buffets, I WILL be well rounded.

            • Juicer77

              There’s enough magic and mystery in this world to admit we don’t know everything, and look on in wonder like a little kid. 🙂

            • jazzlover

              Absolutely.

        • TexasBroad

          Seconding that enthusiastically.

        • UhLasare

          Yes, definitely!

          • jazzlover

            Chris has a very even-keeled and well-balanced perspective on things. I’m often amazed at how this is possible, given his fairly recent escape from the bubble.

            • UhLasare

              Chris was my introduction to this rabbit hole after reading about/watching Going Clear. I appreciate the balance and calm. I understand the anger and also J&D of other critics, but Chris’ reasonable approach speaks most to me.

            • jazzlover

              Usually, those doing the least yelling get the most serious attention 🙂

    • Roger Hornaday

      One of the outstanding ideas you mention is to not blame yourself for having been taken in. I’d like to suggest that you may consider the experience of having been so thoroughly fooled as a valuable one that affords you the opportunity to achieve a measure of understanding you would probably never have reached for had you not had it.

      • Great point.

      • UhLasare

        I’m still working on this – was never in a cult, but in a toxic relationship with a manipulative, narcissistic liar, and I really beat myself up for being such a fool.

        • Juicer77

          I hope you’re free now (sounds like this was in the past) and doing well.

          • UhLasare

            Yes, thank you! Things came to a head 15 years ago, now. I’ve done much healing, but there was some very serious damage, and I paid for it with years of debilitating depression and anxiety. Thankfully I’ve been free of that for several years now. Chris Shelton’s videos have helped – especially the ones with Rachel Bernstein.

        • Missionary Kid

          It took me many years to see that I found myself gravitating towards people like that. I now either run from them or confront them very early.

          • UhLasare

            Thankfully I’ve only been involved with the one. A second one might have killed me. I’ve learned a lot and grown as a person, and I am much less credulous than I used to be. I still feel like a fool for falling for the nonsense when it was so plain to many others, but learning about the deliberate manipulation they use is helping.

          • UhLasare

            I’m glad you learned how to deal with that type, as well. Poisonous people can do a lot of damage – it definitely feels good to be safeguarded because you now have the knowledge and tools to deal with them and not get sucked in.

        • JanInThePan

          you’re not alone in that- and for me it’s happened more than once.

          • UhLasare

            I’m sorry.

    • Sejanus

      Slack is never a bad thing when used to recharge the batteries properly.
      Great vid as per usual as well!

      • Just ask J.R. Bob Dobbs. Slack is king!

    • Juicer77

      Well said. Amazing road you are traveling. Thanks for sharing it with us. Can we look forward to some interaction with Ross & Carrie soon? 🙂

    • Len Zinberg

      Chris, your videos are filled with insight and understanding that can only be arrived at by a process of very honest self examination. They are immensely helpful, Thank you

    • Honest self-examination and insight is something that a good therapist will try to develop in a client – and your videos seem to have helped you do this as well as helping all of the people who follow them.

      For what it’s worth, the Sea Org mindset involves a very strange version of a work ethic because inefficiency, unnessary stress and make-work are built in. Most real world employment must be revelation for ex-SO members because it’s the results that matter, not doing the job exactly according to an orthodox doctrine (which doesn’t work in any case).

      • Missionary Kid

        One of the things that drove GM into bankruptcy was the lack of feedback from the factory floor and customer base, other than sales figures.

        As $cientology dies, the labor intensive methods that once were a normal part of operations lead to either overwork or even more inefficiencies.

        The rigidity of following “source” prevents feedback and change that might KSW. The only thing keeping $cientology going is the whales and the large amount of assets it has managed to acquire.

        • The strangest thing to me is the way in which those assets are never, ever, reinvested. They are just pointlessly accumulated and even the CofS does not seem to know why – it’s just always been that way.

          Stranger still is that, despite having a growing pile of unused assets, the IRS officially considers them to be non-profit. How do they justify that?

          It’s crazier than Scrooge McDuck’s money bin – as least Uncle Scrooge had fun swimming in his money.

          You can’t compare the CofS to a conventional business – inefficiency isn’t a a failure, its a functional feature, serving to keep members so busy with make-work that they don’t have time to think about what they are doing.

    • pluvo

      I had the opposite reaction and enjoyed ‘slacking off’ when I got out (it might have to do with that I was older than you when I got involved). In the cult a person is only considered having any worth when she is ‘up-stat’, and suffering sleep deprivation is looked at as being ‘on purpose’.
      I thought that it is obnoxious as tiered people are normally not good producers. No normal company would allow that their workers are chronically tiered. The atmosphere of constant emergencies, threat and sleep deprivation is a means to manipulate, indoctrinate and to install fear and get subjugation.

      (http://www.upperbridge.org/sleep.html)

    • April Moonlight

      great insights chris shelton. i always watch your videos within the first few days that you post them. it’s really cool how you are able to delve into your own mind and discover these insights, and then take it even further, to reach out and help others. thank you. 🙂

  • Tracy Schmitz

    hi everyone! so when (pardon my language) IN THE HELL IS HOLLYWOOD all of it going to have a clue and put out a COLLECTIVE LOUD statement about this “thing”… (of course when no money can be made?!) i know everyone has to work and everyone in that town is all about themselves, but shame on them (when they don’t need the work or the money) for those to even work or associate with culties!…EVERYONE with a name, a face, and power and money in that town should be DENOUNCING it every hollywood rag/paper/magazine etcetera.

    • it’s getting there. people are still a bit afraid of what “denouncing” might do to their careers out here. many still remember the way the Church operated in the 80s/90s, and there’s a general assumption that there are still way more Scientologists than there really are… celebrities are becoming aware of what is really going on, and how to shine the light (safely) now. that’s why we’re seeing more and more references in tv/movies, J&D in interviews, etc.

  • Sid (Phil Jones)

    Rod did this up and posted it on Twitter. Kate re-tweeted it. Pretty cool. (F5)

    • Totes on-brand. Approved!

      • Sid (Phil Jones)

        If I was Madison Avenue I’d pay you several million dollars for that design.

        • The payment will come when you and Willie and Kate and Lori and Ron Senior and the legions of disconnected are hugging your loved ones again.

          • Missionary Kid

            Amen, and thank you for the excellent design. It causes fear and avoidance when $cientologists spot it. They just melt away and hide.

            • That’s because Hubbard’s mindfuck means that love goes right through them, like neutrinos. But they see it. It leaves a little message behind in them. That they’re loved. Never underestimate love.

            • Dice ✓

              can it be automated? so people could upload their picture and get the finished billboard in return?

          • aquaclara

            You have a big heart…..

            😉

        • Juicer77

          Hooray for reaching all the people who follow Kate’s tweets!

      • Baby

        You are getting around Artoo.. yay.. Love it

    • MereCatWatcher

      A series like this would be great. You and Willie on one. Lori on one and all the other disconnected family members, each one on the sign next to call me. It has an impact.

      • Dice ✓

        I am sure your are right, we might be able to automate this thingy for people who don’t have the time or skills – maybe a free service!

        • MereCatWatcher

          I found it really had an impact seeing the large picture of someone who is saying “Call Me” in front of all the background pictures of the many loved ones who cannot or donot call. Seems like getting a lot of these out with different people asking call me would help emphasize how many folks are hurt by this disconnection.

          • Dice ✓

            Yeps! It’s the next big Thing! 🙂 just need to formalize it so it’s easy to make by people and it’s a perfect format for Twitter and it’s personalized.

            • MereCatWatcher

              The next wave of call me! Maybe it can go viral. Thanks for working to make it happen. I’m also thinking post cards that can be sent to the loved one. It would be so easy for sci to get rid of all these scary signs. Just discontinue disconnection for real!

    • Dice ✓

      That is a fracking good idea!

      • Our original concept was to use real people, but legal issues made it too difficult to resolve in time. I can design what you’re talking about, but I don’t have the back end chops to make it work technically. I’m sure someone here might know. I’d be happy to set it up.

        • Dice ✓

          if it’s hosting you mean i can do that. If it’s scripting and time, i can do that if you have the framework or some tools from the webz!

          • Phil gave you my email, contact me and we’ll work it out. I’ll be in later this morning.

            • Dice ✓

              Yes! i will do that.

  • nottrue

    I will always remember when Bruce won the Olympic gold medal and I have nothing but respect for Caitlyn now. Just a great person

    • jazzlover

      It was kind of a big deal, wasn’t it? He helped open the Expos brand spanking new Olympic Stadium with a bang, and then appeared on the Wheaties box almost instantaneously. He/she has led quite a life, for better or worse. Can’t really ask for much more than that.

      • i have an 8×10 glossy of the famous “hands in the air” pic, signed by Bruce, in a box somewhere… a gf at the time got it for me when she ran into her in CT in the mid 90s… who woulda thunk, huh? and that is one of the many weird reminders that i am on the right path. still not entirely sure where it will take me, but it’s been an interesting ride, so far.

        • jazzlover

          That’s all any of us can ask for. He made something of himself, almost out of nowhere, and you can too!

          • thanks for the daily affirmation, jazz!

            “I’m Good Enough, I’m Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me!”

            • jazzlover

              SNL! 🙂

  • PickAnotherID

    Any other “church” would have been happy to see them, checked if the daughter was free, and escorted them to her office. Only $cientology brings out more and more ‘security guards’. Sick.

    • Sejanus

      Yeah they could have had a chance at a celeb in Jenner.
      After all they love celebs right?
      Missed opportunity.

  • chelleinchicago

    How likely is it that they tried to keep this from Jessica? And if that’s the case, if someone decided to surreptitiously share this information with her, how likely is it that her reaction would be to write that person up? (At least she’d know someone was asking to see her….I do get that.) I wish I didn’t anticipate this sort of warped reaction, but that’s what I get for spending so much time reading about Scientology and cult life.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      I’d be shocked if she didn’t get thoroughly Sec-Checked after the attempted visit.

    • Cedilla

      chelleinchicago,

      Precisely.
      Now I know I’m not the only one who thinks too much.

      Alright.
      It’s time for me to go outside to my garden and forget about the COS’s barbed wire contacts on their adherent’s minds.

      • Juicer77

        Happy gardening! It’s the best for decompression.

  • That the estimable fabulousness that is Auntie Kate finds a good and supportive ally in Caitlyn Jenner raises her in my perception. I feel for anyone trapped in cults of any kind. Ms. Jenner has battled with gender identity for decades in the cult of celebrity, for that I have great empathy. I don’t watch “reality” TV anymore (no huge judgement, just don’t care), but the vapid vortex that is the Kardashians is inescapable. Her association with that family circus, and being a Republican (once again, I don’t hate Republicans, just hypocrites) has left a bad taste in my mouth.

    From the sublime to the ridiculous. We’re a varied species. We vary from the darkest black skin to the palest white. From sturdy and broad to sylph-like. From Europe to Africa, Asia to Australia, our genetic diversity is a wonderful thing to behold. Just as we marvel when we see a Great Dane playing with a Chihuahua, I marveled when I saw Tom Cummins and Grant “Tiny Robbins” Cardone frolicking in this picture. Don’t break him Tom!

    • jazzlover

      And kudos on what may be the first reference to albinos in the Bunker! LOL

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Isn’t that
      “Working shudder to shudder,” surely?

      • jazzlover

        LOL. I am shuddering right now just looking at those 2 pieces of electrical tape where Tom’s eyebrows should be. Did the real ones get singed off as he exited the galaxy?

    • Jimmy3

      Imagine the echoing in those giant, empty skulls when they speak to each other. That’s gotta make it hard to communicate.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Ugh. There’s so much oil in that picture there should be a BP representative standing nearby.

      • Qbird

        now Shell too, Nola – 🙁

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Grrrr!! I know. 🙁 Those *&@$#%!*&!!

      • Sine qua non

        Or a FLAG rep to sign them up for a trip to the Stupor Powers building and assessment on the Oiliness Table!

    • I don’t want to know where those fingers have been.

    • Mark Allen Shreck

      it’s the look but don’t touch crew…else our hair, and possible enhanced faces, may shatter…

  • Chocolate Velvet

    When I heard that Auntie Kate was going to be a part of this season of this show, I cringed a little at the thought of her diving into the sewer of reality TV. But knowing Kate, I figured she would bring some light and love into the mix and everyone involved would be better for it. From what I have seen of the show, she did just that. I love her for her strength and her kick-ass work as an activist and a counselor of sorts for young people. I have seen so many comments over the years from people who feel that her bold and open-hearted way of reaching out has helped them when they were in a very bad place. So glad to see that this reality TV gig paid off for Kate on a personal level. I cannot imagine not seeing my own child, not being able to hug them and tell them I love them, for thirty years. Now at least her daughter knows Kate wants to make contact.

    So much love to you, Auntie Kate! Keep on shining that light!

  • Kim O’Brien

    Off Topic but i wanted to share some proud parent news

    My daughter just received the Presidents Education Award . Signed by the Secretary of Education and The President of The United States of America. Only four kids in the state of Colorado earned this …and my daughter is one of them .Look out world …my kid is here , and she is a woman of purpose 🙂

    • Juicer77

      Terrific!!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Congrats! ❤

    • Jimmy3

      Congrats! That is quite an honor. I know how she must feel, too. You know back in the day I won the Presidential Fitness Test?

      • Science Doc

        It must have been great meeting President Truman.

        • Jimmy3

          It was the bomb.

          • gtsix

            TOO SOON!

            ML,
            Japan

      • Kim O’Brien

        you are only like 17 years old …how far ” back in the day ” are you going ? 🙂

        • Jimmy3

          Not too far. I get winded easily.

      • Juicer77

        I think we all need to post younger pix of us with our awards. If only there were a way to make it anonymous so people had to guess. (HEY – HOWDYCON GAME!) I got a national one for musicianship. Lord I’m a geek.

        • vicariousthrill

          I was 8th grade graduating class valedictorian. After that, downhill all the way. But I learned to think critically!

        • Kestrel

          I’m sure I can find a picture of me holding a 12-pack of beer I won in a darts tournament. I don’t have the award anymore. I pissed it away.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I’m game. I’ve got some doozies!

          Do tell about your band geekines.

          • Juicer77

            I play the flute and for one memorable semester, filled in on the tuba. XD

      • Franklin Adams

        I did as well. Got a fancy patch to put on my hi-speeds (Army slang for our track suit) when I enlisted for my trouble. You don’t see them often.

    • flyonthewall

      ….

    • vicariousthrill

      So wonderful! What would you say is her favorite subject? Future engineer? Social worker?Teacher? President???

      • Kim O’Brien

        anything that buys me a guest house

  • Science Doc

    O/T. Saw The Who last night in LA. Probably the best show I’ve seen them do in the past decade. Pete’s guitar work was as good as ever, and Roger’s voice somehow showed little evidence of age. Musicianship was overall the best I’ve seen in any rock concert. Zach Starkey’s drumming was the best I’ve ever seen. His father Ringo was at the concert. Roger has allergies that can trigger asthma attacks, and at one point he berated somebody in the first row for smoking pot in his airspace. Pete advised that person on the efficiency of absorption via suppository, which is true enough. I had a lot of trouble standing by the half way point and had to sit through several songs. Row 20 on the floor, center. Great view of a superb show. Was offered some overpriced T shirts, but no one forced me to buy any, unlike you know what. We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.

    • flyonthewall

      but..but..how will anyone know you were there if you don’t buy a t-shirt??

      • Science Doc

        I’m saving up for the Neil Young logo adult diapers at Oldchella.

        • flyonthewall

          may i have some toast with my jelly? Thank you

        • Glen

          I’ve been calling it Babyboomachella.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          If Fugazi brands a hearing aid, I’ll be all over it in 20 years. Glad you had a good time at the show. Rest up for Oldchella!

    • Juicer77

      Glad you had a great time! Hope you’re not in too much pain today as a result.

      • Science Doc

        It’s awful. Part of the problem is climate related. It’s much warmer at my country house and I’m going there presently. My elderly dog is having the same problem.

        • Juicer77

          Much sympathy to both of you! 🙁 ETA: I remember the days when activity caused a severe backlash (pardon the pun) later on.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I hope they have you on a pain control regime. Nothing is worse than pain day after day that wakes you up all night. It made me start to go bonkers after awhile. Finally, I went in and he wrote out three scripts and not only did the pain dull I was finally able to sleep. Best to you. I’d broken my wrist and arm in half.

          • Science Doc

            Thanks. It’s a work in progress. Some days are deceptively good. Then there is today.

    • Jimmy3

      “Pete advised that person on the efficiency of absorption via suppository…”
      There is the lols

      • ze moo

        Only a Brit (or perhaps a Canadian) would use that euphemism to say ‘shove it up your ass’.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I was talking to my college roommate who lives in town and he said we’d better go see all the shows before everybody dies. Sounds like I missed a great one.

  • RK

    It would have been so simple for her daughter to come out and say hi and chat for a minute. Instead they send security people and staff to keep them apart. Scientology is weird. They say that Sea Org staff are the best, most dedicated, experts in their field, but they can’t handle a brief conversation with a parent. Really weird.

    • The security people were only inerested in the information that they could get out of their visitors. They try to recruit people , but they are afraid of them, as well.

  • nottrue
  • nottrue
    • flyonthewall

      I wanna be Jackie Onassis
      i wanna wear a pair of dark sunglasses
      I wanna be Jackie O oh oh please don’t DIE!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    My dearly beloved brethren of the Bunker,
    Today’s reading will be from
    The Epistle to the Howdycondeans

    And in those times,
    Before the Drumpheans came to the city,
    For their Post-Factual Con-vent-ion – those ions being negative,
    There came there out of the East and West,
    Yeah, even unto Mile-Highers,
    Columns of smoke before them,
    Singing “Sarong, It’s been good ta know ya”
    A motley multitude, some with attitude,
    Some being dudes and some dudettes
    And all with altitude
    And the Spirit of Punk reigned over them
    In that city where rivers burn
    And rocks roll

    And the Dark Dwarf angered at this.
    For he hated squirrels and reigned over chipped monks
    But he suffered greatly with cloven hoof and mouth disease
    So that his were to be found, like unto the Gadarene Clams,
    Casting themselves into The Sea of Golly Gee
    And PIs were sent there as his emissaries
    And they emissed
    And he was pissed
    For the water in Hemet, being Real Water, was so strong
    That he was obliged to cut it with whisky
    But it did not make him frisky.

    Unto that place came lovers of crows and Bar-Keeps
    Yeah, and Observers and OTs
    Many and Lovely were they there,
    Yeah, and Sparrows and Birds of Many Colours.
    But one swallow does not make a summer
    So many more were swallowed,
    Elixirs and Ale Mary’s,
    And they sucked Cocktails on Howdycon Boulevard.
    And they ate of cheeses and the Twelve Apostates, playing lutes
    And flutes, were of good cheer.
    And it was good.

    There was live-blogging and Periscoping
    But for the Dark Dwarf, Peristalsis
    And footbullets, though he had waited to see the white of their Anonymous masks.
    And there was lobbing of Lobbs and throbbing of COBs, inciting of mobs, sobbing of blobs.
    For it is written that if a man hath not height of spirit, what will it profit him to wear shoe-lifts.
    He will be like unto the sparrow of the bakery, well fed and insignificant.

    Thus endeth The Epistle to the Howdycondeans

    Please rise now and open your hymnal to page 47
    We will sing
    “Nearer, My COB, To Thee”

    • Rasha

      “In that city where rivers burn”

      Kudos, good Sir.

    • flyonthewall

      ….

    • Cedilla

      “And they sucked Cocktails on Howdycon Boulevard.”

      “Unto that place came lovers of crows and Bar-Keeps
      Yeah, and Observers and OTs”

      Cool. I like you!!

  • outraged

    Leslie Jones of SNL joined Scientology because she was broke. They let her in because she acted crazy.
    This lady is blessed. Somehow she never really got caught by the Scioctopus.
    http://www.fishwrapper.com/post/2016/05/26/leslie-jones-snl-scientology-pictures-photos-pics/

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Australia’s 9 News – “Scientology leader’s father convinced ‘absolute power’ has corrupted his son”

    http://www.9news.com.au/world/2016/05/26/19/16/scientology-leaders-father-convinced-absolute-power-has-corrupted-his-son

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      It’s good that they have a link for his interview. We did the Channel 9 Australian tv and they told us we wouldn’t be able to link or post outside of Australia. It would have been nice to make it available here and elsewhere. We did the “Today Extra” Australia show live. It was pretty nerve racking to do live tv.

  • Xenu is my Homeboy

    OT: Hopefully a link should appear soon
    https://twitter.com/SteveCannane/status/735869781677617152

  • Jimmy3

    Hey, I gotta go for a bit… If someone named Crazy Ass Larry comes here, you’ve never seen me. Please? Thanks you

    • Qbird

      copy that. but stay close by, ok?! Tks.

    • Franklin Adams

      We are not presently disposed to discuss a user by the name of Jimmy3, if he does, in fact, exist.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Noted.

  • Kutschie Ku

    Something isn’t quite right here. In 1980, there was no Disconnection Policy. It was not applied for decades. I know that a 100% because I was routed off staff because of a SP in my family. Nobody allowed me to disconnect and stay on staff or continue services.

    If Bornstein didn’t see his/her daughter since 1980, it was for other reasons but disconnection policy of the church. David Miscavige adopted it around 1985…

    • George Layton

      hubbard was a happy, jolly fellow and he loved children.

      • Sid (Phil Jones)

        And it was really Miscavige who invented overboarding and the RPF.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Wow. There it is in writing. It must be true.

        • Kim O’Brien

          and he had a wonderful smile

    • flyonthewall

      was this SP in your family someone who could make trouble for the cult? A lawyer, journalist, official or opinion leader of some sort?

      • Kutschie Ku

        Yes, a relative who was an asshole. Really. Even before I got into Scientology, he was a nightmare, constantly trying to force his ways on me.

        Nobody was allowed to disconnect. We were all routed off and the only services we could do was PTS/SP studies or auditing. We were told to solve our problems.

        I’d like to disconnect, but the Ethics Officer said: No, no, no, no disconnection. Handle or get out.

        • flyonthewall

          so they would of caused trouble for the cult then? They weren’t just some joe shmoe?

          eta – what I’m getting at is, maybe you weren’t forced to disconnect from them bc they would of caused a flap? Whereas with other people, the person they were PTS to weren’t a threat to the cult so they would of been forced to disconnect from them

          • Kutschie Ku

            I really wasn’t the only one with a PTS sit. No PTS type was allowed to disconnect. No PTS A, PTS C or PTS1. That was before Miscavige.

            • vicariousthrill

              Kutschie, are you still in?

            • Kim O’Brien

              of course .

        • Mrs. V.

          You mean instead of disconnecting, you were forced to change his mind and make him think the same way as you and scientology in order for you to continue with scientology? Why? Why couldn’t you continue to be a scientologist regardless of how this guy acted?

          • Kutschie Ku

            They didn’t say that word for word. But it was clear that I was listed as unfit for staff, getting training or auditing except PTS training/auditing. I was allowed to attend sunday service, Scientology events and be a volunteer.

            I was told that this SP would ruin my wins in Scientology. There is something to it as I wasn’t happy with that guy constantly butting into my affairs, including haircut, who to marry, what to wear, to which God to pray or not.

            • Mrs. V.

              Why would he ruin your wins? How did he affect them?

            • Qbird

              we ain’t gonna get any real answers Mrs. V. dammit.

            • Mrs. V.

              I never do. But I keep asking, hoping to poke a few holes in their un-logic and maybe get them to actually think about what they’re saying, instead of parroting what they’re told.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Gosh, I had always heard that the Tech was very, very fragile, but you are confirming it for me.

              Early Christians were burned alive and fed to lions. Pity that the early apostles couldn’t have simply let them disconnect from those ruthless Romans.

            • Mrs. V.

              Really. It’s the only help for man-kind on this planet. Unless someone around you disagrees. Then you’re screwed.

        • Qbird

          COS says, handle it or YOU are Disconnected? Am I reading that right?

          • Kutschie Ku

            I was allowed to go to events and study PTS materials. Other Scientologists maintained contact with me. They didn’t disconnect from me but I was not allowed to disconnect from my relative that asshole.

            • Qbird

              Well now, how fucked up is that?

              And I bet you DID let that asshole go, no matter what cos said, did etc. — you got him out of your life, right?

    • gtsix

      Oh this old trope.

      • flyonthewall

        you know what’s hilarious? I saw vids with this indie recently who actually cited Way to Happiness as proof that within Sci policy disconnection is not allowed. Pathetic

        • Kutschie Ku

          If not for David Miscavige introducing a policy that was cancelled for decades, nobody would disconnect. And this can be hard on a person too. My relative used that for his advantage. He might me into a kind of slave. Had to call him, visit him, etc. and under normal circumstances, all of you would have disconnected from that nut case.

          • George Layton

            Was it cancelled for decades or did it not exist for decades? I’m confused.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              The Policy was cancelled, but the practice continued.

            • Kutschie Ku

              No, it didn’t. There was no org/mission/group before 1985 that did allow a person with a PTS sit to disconnect. I checked around and would have disconnected in a heartbeat of that asshole of relative of mine. He was a real piece of shit.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              You are being willingly obtuse. You came here with what I choose to believe was a sincere observation. You are being given very reasonable replies, and you are doggedly (or should I say dogmatically) clinging to a very narrowly defined point of view that is incorrect. You have in essence learned something very well, apparently from that PTS relative who insisted that everyone agree with only his opinions.

            • flyonthewall

              How could you possibly know what was going on every org/mission/group before 1985 everywhere? How is that possible? You weren’t everywhere at once

            • Out and about

              Defensive a bit are we? I have a relative in the media, and after OSA checked this person out, I got auditing clearance. Of course donations were always welcome. From the doubts and criticisms I’ve made over the years, I never got declared, but I blew! They still refuse to accept, and still expect donations etc…each org does what it does for their benefit. Also, while the policy was cancelledlled, at the very end of the cancellation, was written that disconnection applied for suppressive persons. Screwed up man issuing screwed up policy.

            • Qbird

              Please place policies where they belongas ~

            • Kutschie Ku

              I am not sure. Assume some people just disconnected as they do now and that is why it was cancelled.

              It was originally applied only a very short time and then cancelled as off policy. David Miscavige decided in the mid 80s to use it after it was not applied in decades.

            • George Layton

              There is a LOT more information outside the box and just because it is putting scientology in a bad light does not make it false data. Read up more on what others have gone through AND GOT OUT OF regarding scientology. Reading negative comments about scientology will not hinder your placement on the bridge it will give you understanding of what the bridge really is.

          • flyonthewall

            I’m sorry that this person was abusive, I am sensitive to that, more than you know actually. But disconnection was never cancelled. It may have been enforced in varying degrees throughout the years but not cancelled. SP/PTS tech is a key part of Scientology isn’t it? How can you have SP/PTS without disconnection?

            eta – I might have used the word abusive too liberally here. You haven’t really told me anything to show that they were abusive. Had to call and visit him? They smothered you? Ok, doesn’t really sound abusive but…

            • Kutschie Ku

              Disconnection was COMPLETELY CANCELLED. It was out of the question. It was off policy back then. Nobody was allowed to disconnect, not even in the smallest PTS A sit and not when your relative had connections to other SPs. If you criticize the church, please take that in consideration. Some people can remember the old times and they are asking themselves what you guys know if anything…

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              We only know that what is true for you is entirely subjective.

            • flyonthewall

              Ok well there are other ex’s from that time period who would disagree with you and they have responded to you here so maybe you want to talk to them about it.

            • dungeon master

              I think it may also have depended on who your relative was to the church. Just my opinion.

            • Kutschie Ku

              PTS/SP tech was a course, auditing that took place in orgs. So, I was continuing but only with that. I studied the entire course, nothing about disconnection in it. I got PTS/SP auditing, lots of it, nothing with disconnection in it. That was 1982.

              But I was not allowed to do the OT levels or become an auditor because of my PTS situation.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Just because something is not written down does not mean it doesn’t exist.

            • Mrs. V.

              Why weren’t you allowed to do the OT levels? Shouldn’t those levels have helped you handle your relative?

          • Mrs. V.

            What I’m getting here is, hubbard forced you to remain in contact with someone who was quite terrible, and another would have forced you to sever the contact. Either way, these people are saying who you can and cannot be in contact with. Both are a lose/lose in my book.

            • Qbird

              yeah – there ya go – fuck this shit. I have never had an Ethics Officer involved in my life – ever!!! can’t even imagine it. And life’s been good to me so far.

            • Mrs. V.

              Yep I get to talk to who I want and ignore who I want and my spiritual well-being remains unchanged.

    • Mrs. V.

      “Nobody allowed me to disconnect and stay on staff or continue services.” So if given that choice, would you have disconnected from your family member in order to stay on staff and continue services?

      • Kutschie Ku

        Yes, I would have preferred a disconnection from that relative. Nobody would have wanted him to be a relative. He smothered anyone. Only his opinion counted. I was of age already then, but he didn’t allow me to chose anything in my life for myself.

        • George Layton

          LOL, I think you have him confused with scientology.

        • Mrs. V.

          But hubbard forced you to remain in contact with him?

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Heh 😛

          • Kutschie Ku

            The ethics officers told me to handle it. Hubbard wasn’t there.

            • Mrs. V.

              But only hubbard could cancel or issue policy, right? So it was hubbard’s policy to not allow you to disconnect from someone who you really wanted to disconnect from. I mean the ethics officers would not have been able to do that unless it was sanctioned by hubbard.

            • Kim O’Brien

              was his name Skip ?

            • salin

              ouch. *snicker*

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          That would be awful. Putting up with an opinionated relative who could magically make everyone around him bend to his will. Ain’t nobody got time for that.

        • Qbird

          Was this your father?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Word clear semantics and get back to me. Meanwhile, this should help.

      There was no Disconnection Policy, but there was disconnection.

      • Sid (Phil Jones)

        Exactly. This is why in press interviews I always talked about the ‘practice’ of disconnection. They would ask about the policy and I would answer that it didn’t matter about whether there was a policy or not, but that there was plenty of disconnection going on.

      • Kutschie Ku

        Nobody disconnected before 1985. If you are lying to you and others, go right ahead for all I care.

        • Qbird

          No wait, Kutschie Ku. I do not believe you are lying about what you experienced.
          Did you get that asshole relative out of your life?
          because common sense says that’s what you should have done.
          got nothing to do with anything else. Pls tell me.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Simply calling people liars when they disagree with you is not good communication. There is ample evidence, both anecdotal and in writing that disconnection was practiced throughout the entire history of Scientology. Your personal experience is not the only source of information.

        • Douglas D. Douglas
    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Are you trying to claim that Disconnection didn’t exist, or only existed in a very watered-down way, before 1985? Hubbard created and used (and abused) Disconnection to control his followers; Miscavige has simply picked up that mantle and run with it.

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      “In 1980, there was no Disconnection Policy… I know that a 100%”

      This is the L Ron Hubbard method of research. I saw something once. It now holds true for everyone.

      I can assure you, having been in Scientology since 1969 that there was plenty of enforced ‘disconnection’ going on. How do you know how it was for everyone else? You need to shake your limited Scientology thinking process.

      • Kutschie Ku

        I was looking for a way to disconnect in the early 80s and found nothing of the kind you say. Any EO told me that there is no disconnection.

        • Qbird

          EO’s lie, don’t they? Their favorite power-trip game.

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      Having re-read this and your comments below I have to call bullshit. I’m sorry. This just doesn’t ring true to me. “the Ethics Officer said: No, no, no, no disconnection.” I don’t think so.

      • Kutschie Ku

        You calling me a liar? I call you one.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          There’s that Communication Tech in full flower.

        • flyonthewall

          ….

        • Observer

          The problem Scientologists have here is that 1) we know all about acceptable truths and TR-L, and 2) there are a whole lot of exes who have lived it.

          Please, open your eyes. You don’t have to spend your life online lying to protect your religion. There’s a big, beautiful world out here where you’re not being monitored every second of your life.

    • Mrs. V.

      If Kate’s daughter was allowed to cut off all contact with Kate, why weren’t you allowed to cut off all contact with your abusive relative?

    • 9001

      The PTS/SP policy was handle or disconnect. Here’s HCOB “PTS Handling” from 1973:
      http://www.suppressiveperson.org/sp/archives/475

      • gtsix

        I love this bit:

        These data are:

        1. That all illness in greater or lesser degree and all foul-ups stem directly and only from a PTS condition.

        2. That getting rid of the condition requires three basic actions: (A) Discover; (B) Handle or disconnect.

        Bold is mine. Math is herd.

    • George Layton

      Oh sheesh, I forgot it’s Thursday. Good luck with stat… err I mean that.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Nobody “allowed” you to disconnect? You say you were of age at the time? So why would you even need their permission or their approval?

      You have no first hand knowledge of Kate’s situation so trying to compare it to yours is useless. You have no idea what her family was told. You’re operating under the illusion that Scientology treats every person/situation the same. They don’t.

    • Scream Nevermore

      Given all the evidence regarding disconnection, you must accept that we are a bit suspicious of a lone poster denying it. On a Thursday.

    • Missionary Kid

      What’s true for you is true for you… regardless what the objective facts are.

    • The thing here is how it is applied, one is told to letter-reg with happy thoughts and nice words so what is an SP anyway is degraded by how DM is doing it. Margaret whom told me to go handle the family situation did so with no formal declare nor any harsh words. If we read the book Ruthless what is going on is presented as clearly as need be.

      Disconnection has been in effect from earlier than your 1985 and has always been policy, thing is how bad is the situation and what can be done about it, I am not familiar with when the disconnection became formalized but would guess it was done at Saint Hill Manor to make situation workable ~ people do disconnects in family where Scientology is in no way involved.

      It is the excesses which junior has placed on persons.

  • outraged

    For Kate, the photo of Jessica in her Sea Org outfit was the first time she’d seen anything about her in 31 years.

    In WHAT religion in WHAT world are children hidden away for years and years, so family and loved ones catch only pathetic glimpses from photos and are treated like armed insurgents when visiting, instead of parents and friends.

    • flyonthewall

      well you see it all started when this insane occultist sci-fi writer wrote a book called Dia….oh you were being rhetorical. Nevermind, sorry

  • Orglodyte

    Just watched Chris Shelton’s video. Wow. Every word makes sense, especially the part about “splitting,” or black and white thinking. I have struggled all my life with inner conflict, before and after Scientology. Am I in the right career, with the right partner, doing the right thing with my life? A huge part of my energy has gone to these questions, i have linear feet of journals agonizing over “what I should do.”

    Yet every career, partner, life choice, is part “good” and part “bad.” Even good and evil themselves are splitting-type thoughts, a reason (IMO) why religions that focus on good vs. evil mythologies seem to move people to more destructive and irrational behavior than reliigions whose gods embody both creative and destructive qualities.

    I am sure part of the attractiveness of Scientology was “cognition hunger,” the urge toward epiphanies that momentarily relieved the inner conflicts. I once laughed for 45 minutes straight in a Dianetics session, when I “realized” that the cause of my recurring pneumonia was an incident in my childhood. That is powerfully addictive stuff.

    After I left Scientology, my inner conflicts became even stronger, in the absence of the stabilizing mythology of Hubbard. Looking back on my long and varied life, I am finally realizing that most of those choices I agonized over were pretty much “chocolate or vanilla,” that every partner I’ve ever had has been a decent human being with flaws, as am I; that every job has had its great points and its downsides, that every choice, agonized over or not, has led me straight to the life I now enjoy.

    That of course includes the choices I made in both joining, and leaving, Scientology. I used to say it was worth every penny to acquire my shiny Quantum Mark VII Bullshit Detector. But really I got far more than that. I might never have been able to see the flaws in my thinking that have caused me so much distress if I had not encountered Scientology, the reductio ad absurdum of flawed thought patterns.

    Thanks Chris, and may your work reach a wide audience, far beyond ex-cult members.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Thank you for sharing that. It’s an incredibly brave and honest assessment, and I’m glad you’ve reached a place where you can let go of that dichotomous thinking. I struggled with the same kind of thing when I was younger, and I was never involved in scientology. I imagine the scientology overlay reinforces that 10x, which makes your successful recovery from it all the more impressive to me.

      • Orglodyte

        Thanks. Only a couple months ago, after 20 years out, I realized that my agonizing over my agonizing was much worse after Scn than before. I caught some of Hubbard’s mental illness — reasonable, since Scn is a sort of mind virus dedicated to cranking out copies of itself.

        I’ve been reading the Tao a lot lately. Here’s something cool:

        Recognize beauty and ugliness is born.
        Recognize good and evil is born.
        Is and Isn’t produce each other.

        • Missionary Kid

          A big part of Taoism is acceptance of the world around one, and realizing that while one cannot control it (as is the goal of $cientology) that one can use the forces of the world around one to one’s advantage, but to fight those forces is ridiculous and futile.

          I’m not a Taoist, but while my father was “saving souls for Jesus” in China, he became, unconsciously, a practicing Taoist. It’s not a religion, but one way of looking at the world.

          • Orglodyte

            Best to be like water,
            Which benefits the ten thousand things,
            And does not contend.

            • Missionary Kid

              The metaphor of water rushing around a rock or over a dam shows how powerful it can be. It can also be shaped and moved by using one’s subtle power.

          • Orglodyte

            Here is a very funny seven second video about futilely fighting the forces of the world around you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJiRijiLwbQ

            • Missionary Kid

              Good one. That’s OSA, right?

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          A mind virus is an apt way to describe it. “Is and isn’t produce each other…” I like that. Thanks for sharing!

    • Missionary Kid

      I call the good/bad thinking dualism. The problem is that life is not that way. There are things done that have different immediate and long range consequences, or have consequences that affect others differently for each person. IMO, that type of thinking leads to distorted judgments, because every person is a complex individual. Hubbard tried to focus on how he wanted the world to operate, and it doesn’t.

      If one studies biology, one finds out that nature includes a great number of ways of solving problems, and that it adapts. $cientology doesn’t adapt. It is static, and that’s one of the main reasons it is dying.

      $cientology doesn’t accept differences, especially those that posit a different world from it’s conception of how $cientology says it does.

      • Orglodyte

        Yes yes yes. Hubbard’s extreme dualism even extends further than you say because it is not internally consistent. Umpty million words of “always” and “never” and “this invariably causes that” ties the mind up in knots that prevent it from ever moving.

        Until the silliest thing comes along and cuts the Gordian knot. Are you an ex, MK?

        • Missionary Kid

          No, I’m not, but fundamentalist beliefs, like I was raised in often have dualism as an aspect. When those beliefs start to deal with everyday actions, they lead to ridiculous judgments.

          In order to reduce sexual, you end up with, to put it facetiously, commands like, “Don’t dance, drink, smoke, or chew, or go with girls (or boys) who do.

          An excellent example of this type of thinking is in Richard Feynman’s writing https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/ev3gy/excerpt_from_richard_feynman_is_electricity_fire/ where orthodox Jews asked him if electricity was fire, so they could decide if they could use electrical devices on the Sabbath.

          • Orglodyte

            One of my all time favorite books! I cannot drink tea without thinking of the “cream or lemon” scene.

            • Missionary Kid

              I met someone who had him for a class at CalTech. The student was in awe of Feynman.

              I’ve read the book written about him, Genius, and tried to watch the movie that Matthew Broderick played Feynman (also directed by Broderick). The movie was just too slow for me.

  • ze moo

    “Tom Cruise cheated death after being given secret astronaut training by NASA”…. I smell a pr plant from TC’s stable of $cieno stunts. I just can’t believe any of it.

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/space/tom-cruise-cheated-death-after-being-given-secret-astronaut-training-by-nasa/news-story/39f310c973fd44aaa06e54d27f3b0915

    • Franklin Adams

      What a load of crap. NASA has never supported Space tourism. Ever. Closest they ever came was Teacher in Space, and that didn’t go well. Either way thats not tourism, Krista McAuliffe didn’t pay anything except her life and she was trained as a payload specialist.

      They didn’t object to Roscosmos doing it with their part of the ISS and their launch vehicles but they wouldn’t do it themselves. I don’t think they can legally.

      • That morning I was on construction site and told them if anything happens they are D.M.F.

    • gtsix

      To prepare for the trip he was given an induction course by NASA in Florida and was taught how to replicate walking in a space suit by wading in a water tank.

      Wow! I gave my nephew secret NASA training 13 years ago, and didn’t even know it!

      • ze moo

        Did your nephew get water wings too? I know TC had them!

        • gtsix

          Floaties are reserved for big beings.

    • Kay

      I highly doubt any of this…it’s beyond ridiculous.

    • Juicer77

      Bwahahahahhahaaaaaaaaaa! Nice try, Tom’s stupid PR team.

    • JanInThePan

      cheated death? Probably just helped the Vomit Comet live up to its name.

    • Kitz

      *sigh* The things they got wrong in that “article.”

      The pool that they train for EVA’s is Houston, not Florida…

  • Mark

    What a damned shame there was no-one there to take pictures during Kate and Caitlyn’s LA adventure… (refresh dress-codes):

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Uh… in the presence of such splendor, how could you have left the lovely Snortimer BUCK NEKKID? That sweet piggy could at least sport a bow…

      • Mark

        I was going to give him a pair of Dame Edna Everage-style shades (in honour of ‘Judy In Disguise—With Glasses’) but then he’d have had trouble with his flight-plan…

        • jazzlover

          Given that, the Abs Fab girls might have made a good substitute 🙂

          • Mark

            Well, Patsy was a man for a while back in the 60s (until it fell off) 😉

            • jazzlover

              LOL

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          You are always thinking of others.

        • Missionary Kid

          I love Dame Edna. He’s hilarious.

    • George Layton

      Hey there are Shelly’s shoes! We’re getting closer.

      • Mark

        Sadly, no: they’re his own very special pair of hand-crafted John Lobbs 🙁

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          The ones with the “lifts,” amiright? The ones that nobody is supposed to actually look at.

        • John Lobsters . . .

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Wow those are trippy. Ladies actually wear those?

            • Alexander McQueen!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Strange Artoo but true. My friend Brooke designed his garden’s at his large flat outside of London. Above his bed he had an original painting called Areshole. He’d go on these week long coke binges and lock himself and some tricks inside, leaving his staff without their paycheck’s sometimes. When he’d emerge there was snow seals and liquor bottles all over and the place would be trashed. Nice guy but not much of a morning person. Didn’t he lose one of his muse’s,as well as, his Mum in one year. According to Brooke he had been going downhill the past two years. He made a suit jacket for Prince Charles ans sewed” I am a cunt” in one of the inside pockets.

            • A tortured genius by all accounts. Love the Charles story.

            • Juicer77

              Not unless we have trust funds available.

    • Newiga

      I have the exact same skirt as the one COB is wearing. Except mine is red. *pssst, who wore it better?? I DID!!*

    • Graham

      Somewhere in your archive I believe you might have a record of Slappy sneaking into a $camatology function in Clearwater wearing a fetching red gown? Remember that one?

      • Mark

        Ah, yes… Thanks for reminding me, Graham… (F5):

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Troll feeding frenzy.

    How did your Bunker experience rate?

    On a scale of 1 to 5 where 5 gives you maximum sadistic pleasure
    As your lies about disconnection strike at real people, genuinely broken families, parents or children who haven’t been seen in years or even decades.

    Were Bunkaroos helpful and courteous despite evidence of dishonesty and bad faith?
    On a scale of 1 to 5 where 5 indicates civility in the face of obstreperousness.

    Did you reflect on your need to be vicious, dishonest and vindictive?
    On a scale of 1 to 5 where 1 is the behavior of a sociopath like Hubbard.

    Did you create your on-line persona at the behest of OSA?

    Are you rather an Indie drunk on Kool-Aid 35 years on?

    And have you con-sidered getting professional help?

    Thank you for taking the time to fill out this questionnaire.
    It will help us improve service.

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      My EasyBake oven is starting to smoke.

    • Qbird

      Indy POV. yes?

  • Illinoisian

    This is a test. For the next twenty seconds, this comment section will be testing the Thursday afternoon stat deadline alert system. If this were a real stat deadline alert, you would be given information on how to participate fully and courteously in roundabout and repetitive conversational threads. To repeat, this is only a test.

    • Dice ✓

      is it working?

      • Illinoisian

        Well, yes and no.

        Yes, the test itself works just fine.

        As to the alert system . . . no, we don’t have information on how to participate in roundabout and repetitive conversation threads that arise early on Thursday afternoons and harp on the same issue until you want to chew on your throw pillows.

        In the event of an actual alert, we have to wing it.

        • Dice ✓

          I see 🙂

  • Observer

    To all Scientologists, lurking or otherwise.

    Refresh

    • Mrs. V.

      A classic.

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      This is one of my favorites of all time. I’d love to have something like this posted nearby major Orgs.

      • Supper Powers

        I’d give money to fund that!

        • Dice ✓

          in concrete Yes!

      • Observer

        I’ll be happy to send you the original if you like.

    • Scream Nevermore

      Can I put that on Twitter??

      • Observer

        Absolutely

        • Scream Nevermore

          Done!

          • Qbird

            good!

    • Dice ✓

      Just follow the Exit’s signs, they are not allowed to be blocked!

    • Bobby Tolberto Aka TDA
  • Very Sane Larry

    I’m sorry to interrupt you fine fellows on this lovely afternoon but by chance has anyone happened to see a bloke going by the name of Jimmy3 here lately?

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Never heard of him.

      • Very Sane Larry

        How utterly *facial tick* disappointing. If you see him please do let me know poste haste. There is a very urgent matter I must address with Mr.3 concerning some theta bucks he is indebted to me.

        • Qbird

          theta bucks… ok, wilco

          • Kay

            Wow….looks like one of those British “fascinators” they wear on their heads in lieu of a hat now. Very fashionable, Monsieur Deer.

          • JJ

            It’s a scope for lining up deer hunters and charging at them…

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Oh sorry…J3 and I went to a local striptease establishment with that money. Pretty sure it’s all gone.

          https://m.popkey.co/00c3c8/70Vg_f-maxage-0.gif

          • Todd Tomorrow

            This is called “raining”.

            • Scream Nevermore

              I learned that playing GTA V!

          • Cedilla

            They all have Jr 3 hair.

        • Cedilla

          Larry,
          You’re too late, Mr. 1890’s.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Does he owe you bitcoins? My bookie actually takes those now.

    • Qbird

      nope.

    • Who? Nah.

    • Observer

      Who?

      • Very Sane Larry

        I see. Very well. Thank you for your time all the same and please do forgive my barging in like this.

        Oh I almost forgot. If it’s not too much trouble could you give him this for me if he happens to drop by? A little joke between old friends, he’ll understand. f5

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      After Jimmy 2.0 we just lost track. He got so far ahead of us.

    • Mrs. V.

      Nope. Never seen him.

    • George Layton

      I have never heard of him and he didn’t ask me to tell you that.

    • Jimmy how many and the what now?

    • Kim O’Brien

      down the hall , first door on the left . That dude owes me a bajillion dollars and a new pair of Manolo Blahnik’s ( long story )

      • Very Sane Larry

        Thank you kind Miss. I can see you are an honorable woman and you shall be duly rewarded. Excuse me…

    • OOkpik

      He says to tell you he isn’t here but you can usually find him swinging from a chandelier with his Bunker buddies.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      It must be Thursday before 2:00…

      (refresh)

      • flyonthewall

        Or it could be a friend of his with a quirky sense of humor having some fun? *shrug* You never know!

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          J3 has no friends.

          This is true.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          He’s done the avi switcharoo before but that was late into the night.

          • flyonthewall

            *eyeroll* It was me

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Are you sure. This bloke was really on the piss and actually screwed up and replied by accident as J3.

            • flyonthewall

              pretty fuckin sure I know when I do things but whatever, lol

            • gtsix

              Oh wisest of Flies, can you teach me that skill. I need to find out how all my beer bottles end up empty in the recycling bin. I never seem to remember how that happens.

            • flyonthewall

            • gtsix
            • Todd Tomorrow

              Well I’m sure it wasn’t you. In fact I’m sure it wasn’t you. Heh Heh.

      • OOkpik

        Oh, s&it!
        You trying to tell me Crazy Ass is Very Sane?? He…..er…um……Hooda thunk it in a billion years.

        Jimmy3??? I’VE NEVER SEEN HIM!

    • Nat-leficent

      Shoo.

      • flyonthewall

        hey you! Did the eagle land?

        • Nat-leficent

          I’ll check when I get home today 🙂

  • nottrue
  • According to scientology, thetans/spirits have no gender. So, in a way, that makes Cait and Kate true OTs who are at cause over MEST/physical universe. And now it’s official – two true OTs were sighted for the first time ever at the Scientology org.

    • Mrs. V.

      Wow. “Two true OTs.” What a great way of looking at it.

    • gtsix

      Well.. Kate maybe, who has talked at long and lovely length about genderqueer… but Caitlyn does identify as a woman.

    • Lucille Austero

      Ooh. The aliens on the new Syfi show Hunters are genderless. The show has a little bit of a Mormon thing going on, but I’ll watch for $cibot references.

    • JJ

      So then why are they so uptight about gay and lesbian issues? Aren’t those non-issues ultimately?

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    “Why is the vet selling Scientology propaganda?”

    (Pete)

    https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/4l1qj4/scientology_puppies/

    • Newiga
      • Mrs. V.

        Who a cute widdle thetan? You are! Yes you are!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Aww, they are so cute!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Elizabethan collars for fashionable Kitty’s.

        • Ann B Watson

          Hi Todd Tomorrow, If I may inject a memory your post brought up to me.When young I haunted Museums and I swear in the MFA in Boston there was a wonderful Elizabethan Kitty with a ruffed collar.I loved him!
          Will get back to you about dear Quentin.Got to have a little surgery again first.xo

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Ann, I hope your surgery goes well. I’ll be having good thoughts for a speedy recovery. Remember to make sure you get plenty of pain medication. After all this isn’t Eastern Europe! How long will you be layed up?

            • Ann B Watson

              Hi Todd Tomorrow,Thank you I take all your good thoughts with me.Well this is my third surgical biopsy so my surgeon and I are old OR buddies.Basicslly all is high tech.Go in,stay one night go home and the worst is waiting for pathology.Very much like waiting outside the doorway of a Mr William ” Bill” Earles’s Office every night for months to have my “talk” with him.Go/ Intel my Superior in all things cos until I finally blew months later.
              I enjoy your posts alot.xo

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Thanks, I enjoy yours too. Off to work.

      • Cedilla

        The animal kingdom does not deserve to be treated the way the “wanna be dominated humans” want to be treated.
        Leave the innocents alone.

    • Qbird

      part of the game:

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Now that I’m older I remember seeing those crummy WTH pamphlets in my dentist office.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Every time I see “WTH” I think, “What the hell.” Then I realize it means Way to Happiness here, and I think, “What the hell?”

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Well Ii remember how stupid they were in the sixth grade. I asked my Mum about them recently and the husband wife team are still at it. I did like the fact they were generous with the nitrous oxide and were the first to offer headphones hooked up to a Discman. And that would be for a simple cleaning.

        • Missionary Kid

          Me too.

  • BraveBloggers

    PERSON: “I’m here to see my daughter/friend/(insert relationship here)”

    Possible Responses by CoS:

    “No, religious bigot.”
    “Your only terminal is the international injustice chief.”
    “No person by the name is here.”
    “We don’t know where that person is.”
    “They are on a mission and don’t want to be found.”
    “We told them they can’t, err, don’t have to talk to you and they don’t want to.”
    “We’ll give them a message.”
    “Why? Who are you? Are you a journalist or Fed?”
    “This is private property and you need to leave.”
    “Sure.” (Later) “Um, what’s your number? WE will have them call you.”

    PERSON: “I’m here to see my daughter/friend/(insert relationship here)”

    Response by most every other job, organization, place in the world.

    “Sure, one moment so we can see if they’re available. What’s your name?” (This even happens to some degree in actual confinement facilities like penitentiaries, even if it’s during specified visiting hours.)

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Scientology Media Productions today announced that its new training film Command Intention and the Sea Org will be aired on June 15. Starring Tom Cruise and COB RTC David Miscavige, the film instructs Scientologists on what Command Intention is and why they need to instantly obey all commands with no Q&A from the R6 Reactive Bank. This life-affirming film proves that there has never been a better time to call yourself a Scientologist than now!

    http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/scienowriter/COB.TC_zpsd0yxdfks.png

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I see that BB3 is demonstrating “If-I-Can’t-See-You-You’re-Not-Actually-There” Tech over one eye. Being such a big Big Being he only needs the one.

    • edge

      I’ll never forget the Rich Hall Tom Cruise joke. ‘I’ve never seen a Tom Cruise movie where you couldn’t figure out the plot in 18 seconds. He’s a cocktail maker. A pretty good cocktail maker too. Until he has a crisis of confidence and can’t make cocktails anymore so he meets a woman who convinces him to be a better cocktail maker. What a riveting piece of cinema that was!
      ‘Then he’s a race car driver. A pretty good race car driver too. Till he has a crisis of confidence and can’t drive race cars anymore and then meets a woman who convinces him to be a better race car driver.
      ‘Then he was a jet pilot! I think many of you are starting to see a pattern developing here! Was he a pretty good jet pilot? Yes he was! Until he had a crisis of confidence and can’t fly jets anymore until he meets a woman who convinces him to be a jet pilot!
      ‘Then he was a sports agent!’
      Rich didn’t mention A Few Good Men, which, despite the good performances from all involved falls into this same pattern. A navy lawyer. A pretty good navy lawyer too. Until he meets Jack Nicholson and gets a crisis of confidence but Demi Moore convinces him to be a better navy lawyer.

    • Lucille Austero

      Command Intention is so 1953.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Au contraire madame! Totalitarianism never goes out of style amongst the robber villains and fascists of the world.

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      And by “airing on June 15th” it means that the staff will sit in a small dark room on the campus watching it five times and writing a success story each time. Security will watch for bad indicators during the airing of course. Once they get a license to broadcast outside the compound then Scientology will very soon take over the world.

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      Does Tom speak German in English with a Scientology accent?

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        In the most dramatic scene of the film, Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler backflashes
        Reichsführer RTC David Miscavige, whereupon Herr Miscavige delivers a vicious RTC-grade slap to the face of Herr Himmler.

        Because the RTC outranks the SS, Himmler must bear this insult!

        Reichsführer IAS Tom Cruise and Reichsführer RTC David Miscavige then board their Focke-Wulf Fw 200 Condor to attack the forces of Suppression in Thuringia — the very same location where COB hid the raubgold in the Merkers salt mine.

        http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/scienowriter/a92f587091c8804fed39de6c23d431bf_zpsndimwfex.jpg

        • Sid (Phil Jones)

          So, in the end Tom and Dave just Focke off.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Basically yes.

  • Lucille Austero

    Hmm hmm hmmmmm hum hmm. Oh hey. I’m just humming along to pass the time until Karin Pouw gets back to Tony. Should be any minute now. Hmmm hmm hum.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
      • Lucille Austero

        Snort!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          It was a tiny fist bump and it was meant to be a gif, but I’m glad you clicked on it anyway 😀

      • Observer

        Master Chief!

  • Dice ✓
  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Quite an adventurous story!
    In the case of Scientology disconnection it’s good to do SOMETHING.
    I was wondering while reading the article if Jessica knew about her father being a transgender. Kate and Cait were filmed when they were waiting. I wonder if Jessica has seen the footage and if she recognized her father, now Kate, and Cait, a celebrity. Did she understand, was she shocked? These questions come to mind.

    Such a GREAT CARTOON with all these details! Clearly Scientology without a mention of the word.

    How could I read: YOU IDIOT JOIN TODAY, when I had only half a glass of demi-sec?

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      Unless she was OSA she wouldn’t see any video footage. Any info that does get to her (and it would very little) would be filtered by OSA first. Any negatives they can think of will be embellished or added. “They were acting crazy and screaming at reception. We had to bring guards in to calm them down. You wouldn’t want that enturbulation on your lines.”

      • Kestrel

        How sad. How sad that these are the actions of a group cloaked by the word “religion.”

  • Rock Jurgens

    So much weird in one place. Overload of weird. I don’t understand the trans thing. To me, it’s mental illness. I also don’t understand the draw of $cientology. To me, it’s preying on people with mental illness. So, yeah…

    • Nat-leficent

      Everything is mental illness to someone.

      • Rock Jurgens

        Perhaps. Deciding to mutilate your body to address emotional inadequacy/problems, pretty sure that’s textbook DSMIII nuttiness. Yet, go assuage that lib guilt any way ya want. All aboard for penis choppin’.

        • flyonthewall

          wow

          • Cedilla

            flyonthewall,

            Troll feeder.

            • flyonthewall

              Cedilla,

              …butt…face..r

            • Cedilla

              Ha.

        • Cedilla

          Troll.

        • OOkpik

          • Qbird

            My neighborhood skunk just had her babies, methinks.
            She went missing for 4 days & now just came back.
            Her mate was not so lucky, however. I found tracks in one of those late snowfalls last month & it looked pretty clear to me that some bird of prey got him. Track track, wing prints, no more tracks. :/ it happens.
            Yeah, an owl is my guess. Ha! Oopik!

            These sure are cute baby skunks.

            • OOkpik

              T’wasn’t me!
              Our family actually had a pet skunk for years. I don’t recommend them as pets (or dinner) but have to admit, it was a very interesting experience. He was about the size of a small coffee mug when we got him. I was very fond of him. Rock…maybe not so much.

          • Cedilla

            OOkpik, Cute.
            “Three Little Maids From School Are We”

            f5
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXWkIZUPmDY

        • Bobby Tolberto Aka TDA

          Textbook nuttiness is believing in Galactic Overlords and invisible massless, timeless thetans.

          Just remember

          https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/2274/7159/original.jpg

    • flyonthewall

      Some native american tribes said that transgender people had two souls in one body.

      • Cedilla

        Don’t feed the troll.

        • flyonthewall

          • Cedilla

            Fly,
            Love it.

        • Lucille Austero

          *maybe it’s hungry*

      • sashiebgood

        I often wish that our settler ancestors had listened a lot more to the Native Americans and less to their baser instincts of hatred and fear… it seems to me that if we’d had more of a Native American mindset about our world and country, things would be a lot better now. our environment would be more revered, people treated more kindly. I know that they had their share of strife, but somehow their societies seemed a lot more rooted in reality.

        • Ann B Watson

          Hi sashiebgood,Great to see your post.Eons ago I took a year course in college on different Native American Tribes.It was more from the viewpoint of their spiritual heritage and uniqueness of each group.
          Scientology all about Total Control not spiritual enlightenment.Oh and worship that dollar always.xo

        • JJ

          It is interesting how closed minded and rancorous western European people have been on very many subjects relating to individuality, while most Native Americans and many Asian cultures are not quite so uptight. Judeo-Christian tradition background?

    • gtsix
    • Cedilla

      Don’t feed the troll.

    • Lucille Austero

      So, Rock, are you just here killing time waiting for Karin Pouw to get back to Tony like me? Maybe we could read some sciency stuff about gender while we wait. Wanna?

      • flyonthewall

        Me no understand “gendar”. What me no ‘stand be crazy! Ooga-booga-booga-boo!

        • chelleinchicago

          I remember back when they called homosexuality mental illness. Yeah. Fun times.

          • flyonthewall

            kind of like a certain cult leader we all know and hate?

            • chelleinchicago

              Good old Famous Dave.

            • flyonthewall

              i was thinking Hubbard but Miscavige works too

          • Kay

            Yeah…it was listed in the old DSMlll and DSM1V as a mental disorder.

      • chelleinchicago

        I was thinking we should discuss the whole “preying on people with mental illness” thing. Would saunas and high doses of niacin fit into that category?

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Probably that bag of rocks in your head doesn’t help.

    • Kay

      It is a real syndrome with neurological abnormalities going on in the brain, complicated sometimes by environment, and certainly it has a mental health component since people who have it really have a lot of painful difficulties dealing with it and with their families. I wouldn’t want this condition, it is really, really tough for those who have it. I’ve had three year old male patients try to cut off their own penis with a scissors or a knife, because they insist they are a girl…that’s too young to even put it in the ballpark of experimentation or preference.

    • sashiebgood

      nobody’s asking you to understand it, but just to let people live their lives as they feel best. As long as they’re not hurting anyone, what business is it of yours? plus it’s been amply proven that many a highly intelligent person has been drawn into Scn and other cults. what’s your excuse?

    • TheMirrorThetan

      If you don’t understand something then go and fully educate yourself about it, instead of shit-talking and making phobic remarks on a blog you have never posted on before.
      You do have internet access, so use it. So, yeah…

  • Chee Chalker

    It can be difficult to wash the perfumed stink of Kardashian off, so here’s hoping that Cait can use her celebrity to discuss more that the latest handbag/shoes.
    I always thought Bruce was a decent person (albeit a little bit trapped). I was a little disappointed in Cait in that she seemed focused on the material things. It would have been nice to see this side of Cait. I wish they had filmed it….the more light shined on the cockroaches of scientology, the better.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      That show showed me Bruce was as sharp as a spoon. I’ve never understood “log cabin” republicans. And he did shill for designer’s just like Kris K. Sure, he has been a horrible father to his first two rounds of children leaving them without a parent,twice. I loath those people who just pop out kids and let the prior children grow up without a father. But now she’s at least has a job working for Kardasian/ Seacrest productions. But they are treating this as a death of Bruce and a celebration of his new gender Cait and her friend’s, who were actually hired after arduous auditions. Suddenly, as in death, he has rose to sainthood. I doubt he would have given any of them the time of day, let alone attempt to understand the difficulty of becoming trans without a staff of hair stylist and makeup artist on call 24/7. I do wish her the very best, but these insipid reality shows are far from reality. I’ve seen the tranny’s in my city forced to work the streets, beat up..I was so inspired and elated that Kate Bornstein was put on the show, hopefully she’ll be able to point Cait in the right direction other than the floor of her Escalade to avoid the paps. Awful that won’t be expoloitive enough and those cans will end up on the cutting room floor. Late for work so sorry about the lack of editing. This show exploits the issue not address it. Just like how funny Honey Boo Boo’s high blood pressure was.
      Edit, Why did Kate’s relationship with her daughter not shown?
      Clearly. It could have been used as a vehicle to address another hot topic,
      Scions brutal homophobic., as well as, toxic policy of disconnection., Caitlyn could have insisted upon it!

      A

      • beauty for ashes

        Todd~ Kate answered questions about her daughter and scientology in a forum at Caitlyn’s old religious university. Her answer was beautiful, I’ll try to find it in my old comments. I know I shared it here.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Some people grow up within a gender prison.

    Others grow up with a species problem – not being imbued with humanity
    This is a good deal more troublesome.
    Trolls generally suffer from this bizarre condition of being not quite human
    And yet not any other species either.
    Can they be cured of their sadism and violence, of their emotional drought?
    The jury is out.

    • jazzlover

      As it’s hard to be a saint in the city, it’s hard to be compassionate if one’s never been shown how it’s done.

      • Ann B Watson

        Hi jazzlover, A very timely point or may I say note? Thank you.Always

        • jazzlover

          You’re welcome, Ann. Good to see you here 🙂

      • Cedilla

        One can be born with compassion.

        • jazzlover

          That’s probably a conversation for another time and place, but although I’m no expert, I would think that it would be a stretch to believe that human emotion and character traits are completely built into genetic code alone. There are other factors that play a part in the make-up of any individual. I think that some are more prone to have compassion, but that doesn’t always mean that they will be compassionate.

    • JJ

      But is they over the bridge trolls or under the bridge trolls?

  • Glen
  • nottrue

    Look you two dickheads it’s time to read a book and i mean her book….

    • jazzlover

      Jeez, Johnny looks embalmed with a foot in the grave there.

      • Dice ✓

        I think he is looking good F5

        • Todd Tomorrow

          He finally looks like that creepy dirty old man that he is! Like those Jr. High, wrestling coach’s that spent too much time lurking our shower room.

  • Baby

    f5

    • Dice ✓

      F5

      • jazzlover

        He’s got those mandatory “faraway eyes” 🙂

        • Dice ✓

          It’s the millennium look

          • jazzlover

            “Thank you Jesus, thank you Lord”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyK1bZZ7E-s

            • Dice ✓

              They are not just rolling, they are stoned 🙂

            • jazzlover

              LOL. That’s the pasty white dude channeling his inner blackness 😉

            • Dice ✓

              ha ha The Anger management – The Anger!

            • jazzlover

              That tune always cracked me up. It was basically a throwaway – but funny to listen to Mick trying to sound like a bible-belter 🙂

            • Dice ✓

              He got that right! 🙂

            • jazzlover

              Amen. Now seed your faith 🙂

            • Dice ✓

              Ramen!

            • Cedilla

              “Now seed your faith”

              Yes.
              Like Soupy Sales in 1965 on New Years Day telling little kids watching his show to send “little green pieces of paper” out of their sleeping parents wallets and send them to him.

            • jazzlover

              I’m too young to have seen that, but I was being facetious.

            • Missionary Kid

              You need to read Uncle Shelby’s ABZ Book by Shel Silverstein.
              M. M is for money. Don’t mommy and daddy fight about money? If you want to make mommy and daddy real happy, take the money out of daddy’s wallet and mommy’s purse and send it to poor, poor, Uncle Shelby, P.O. BOX ???, ETC. (FAKE ADDRESS).

              It’s a book that 8 to 80 year olds will appreciate. Not for younger kids. They might think he was serious.

  • Observer

    OT: We had a sunshower so I ran out with my camera. Those blackberry blossoms smell so good.

    • Dice ✓

      It’s weird how they are defying gravity!

      • Bobby Tolberto Aka TDA

        Yeah, the berry will grow upside-down if the flower is positioned the wrong way.

        And Disqus continues to turn my photos sideways. Well, move your device or your head, people. ♒️

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Do you bake?

      • Observer

        I do, but I hate blackberries.

        • Qbird

          oh no Obs. I love Blackberries, but I hate Raspberries.
          I am pretty fond of Boysenberries.
          How do you feel about wild strawberries?

          • Observer

            Never had them

            • Qbird

              Oooo… teeny-weenie itty-bitty bursts of flavor! To die for!

          • Lucille Austero

            How do you feel about marionberries?

            • Kestrel

              They are the crack of the berry family.

            • Qbird

              ha!!! I believe you Kestrel.

            • Qbird

              Never heard of such a thing, Lucille! Did a google search & after looking at photos, I do believe I would love ’em! 🙂

              Okay ~ ever hear tell of the Saskatoon berry? Ahhhh… kinda like blueberries.
              Wonderful little gifts of the earth!

              Holy moly there are a number of berries I have never tried! Look ~

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Ever had a golden raspberry? Imagine raspberry flavor without the tang and sweet tasting like honey.

            • Qbird

              Your description of this makes my mouth water, L.wrong! And no, I’ve never heard of it. But I have a friend who’s parents own/operate a strawberry farm in the southern part of MN & they planted (& now sell also) Black Raspberries — very very yummy!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I’ve only had them a few times. Fresh out of my aunt’s front yard in Massachusetts. So good.

        • Juicer77

          Please send them all to me, care of:
          Mail Me Those Blackberries
          PO Box Nom Nom Nom
          Yummyville, UK

          • JJ

            Don’t forget huckleberries. Pretty much worth fighting off a black bear for…But $30.00 a gallon…

            • Juicer77

              I’m gonna start a huckleberry farm and rake in the bucks!!

            • JJ

              Very fussy little berries seem to prefer to be where they want to be and always someplace isolated and up in the hills. Was and probably still is a lot of competition for them. When they went corporate a few years back, people would go through and rip off branches trying to get as much as they could. Took the old day feeling of “let’s go up and go huckleberrying” right out of it…

        • Lucille Austero

          Whaa?

    • Flying High

      Awesome Observer and my best to you today! 🙂

    • Baby

      Look at those raindrops .. beautiful..

  • Dice ✓

    Some social media forbid “Hate Speech” So what to say when you hate Scientology? – Dear Miscavige would you please STFU ?

  • Dice ✓
    • Nice.

    • Qbird

      omg – look at his face whilst reading! XD big laugh.
      I really like this man, Louis Theroux.

      • Dice ✓

        He is funny 🙂

    • Baby

      f5

  • nottrue

    Best sellers in Scientology …..Miss Lovely wins .Beats Scientology Bible…5 stars

    • I was going to email Tony today and ask him in a sneaky way how many critical books I should bring to HowdyCon, so the authors can sign them, but then I figured he probably gonna give me a smartass no answer, plus I would look like a total weirdo carrying a backpack full of books to a dinner.

      • Cedilla

        “plus I would look like a total weirdo carrying a backpack full of books to a dinner.”

        No.
        You wouldn’t.

        • OOkpik

          If I were going to HowdyCon, *sniff* would I look like a jackass hauling a cartload of signed SP books home with me? Um…never mind…

      • Juicer77

        Dooooo eeeeeeeeeeeet

      • flyonthewall

        that’s a good idea! Let me know if you ask and if you get an answer…and also what the answer is.

      • gtsix

        He’ll say “bring them all” just so you haul a rucksack full of books around cleveland.

        • Cedilla

          He wants Trump to see a Ruskie carry a rucksack full of books around Cleveland.

          Hell, you could become The White House Correspondent’s Dinner 2017 Announcer.

        • jazzlover

          I had a Russian math teacher in high school who used that word all the time. Other than that, his favorite expression (said in his distinct accent) was: “I vill strangle you with a shoelace” 🙂

      • TexasBroad

        You’ve given me an idea though….going to buy some nice book plate stickers and bring those just in case. (Sorry for the accidental downside….fixed it)

    • JaxNGold

      What I want to know is — did every single upvote for that drivel come from a $cientologist? ‘Cause we all know people out here in the real world aren’t giving Dianetics a 4-star rating on Amazon.

  • Jenny Griffith

    Karin Kapow is seriously behind on responding to your emails, Tony.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    A liitle OT (and I apologize if another commenter discussed this). Tom Cruise got his head “exploded” during AMC’s “Preacher” premiere on Sunday, and today, on the Ellen Degeneres show, SNL cast member Leslie Jones made jokes about her employment as a scientology telemarketer. Not to be outdone, Kristin Wiig jokingly revealed that her first job was as “an umpire for a scientology baseball team.” Scientology: the new, unlimited fodder for commedians. What a sea change from four years ago….

    http://www.eonline.com/news/767826/who-knew-leslie-jones-used-to-be-a-telemarketer-for-scientology

  • nottrue

    Sea Org going for a new look….Beats the Waiter look

  • sashiebgood

    I am cracking up to think of the reactions of the Sea Org Members to Caitlyn Jenner and Kate Bernstein. that had to be a banner day at LA Org!