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Monique Rathbun waives a response: Will the TX Supreme Court take up Scientology’s appeal?

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Monique Rathbun has waived her right to respond to the Church of Scientology’s petition to the Texas Supreme Court just a couple of days before the initial deadline for her to respond had arrived.

On February 19, the Church of Scientology International and four of its co-defendants in Monique’s harassment lawsuit filed a petition, asking the state high court to review an appellate decision that upheld the trial court’s denial of Scientology’s”anti-SLAPP” motion. Scientology argues that Monique’s lawsuit should be dismissed because it infringes on the church’s free speech rights. What Monique calls harassment — years of Scientology operatives following her and her husband, former Scientology official Mark “Marty” Rathbun; daily demonstrations outside their south Texas home; and even making visits to her family members and co-workers with creepy suggestions about Marty — was really just the church sticking up for itself in ways that should be protected by the First Amendment.

Comal County Judge Dib Waldrip disagreed, saying that Scientology was a business just trying to protect its turf against Marty Rathbun, who had been delivering Scientology auditing independently. (Monique was never a member of the church.) The Texas Third Court of Appeals, after taking more than a year, upheld Waldrip’s decision. But in its petition to the state supreme court, Scientology says that the appellate court erred on some of the facts of the case, and that the state’s appellate courts are in disagreement in general about Texas’s anti-SLAPP statute, the Texas Citizens Participation Act (TCPA), which is relatively new.

Before Scientology filed that petition last month, however, Monique stunned observers of the lawsuit by firing her entire legal team. Judge Waldrip has officially signed off on Monique’s bizarre move, and the state supreme court gave her until March 21 — Monday — to submit a response to Scientology’s petition.

Instead, she has waived her right to do so, according to a notation at the court’s online docket.

Our local expert on Texas appellate matters, TX Lawyer, had told us that this was one of the options available to Monique. And he said that it might be used when a party felt confident that the petitioner would not succeed in interesting the court in taking things further.

The state supreme court is under no obligation to consider Scientology’s appeal, but TX Lawyer told us that he believes the court will be interested in this case, with its somewhat outrageous factual allegations and the involvement of Scientology.

Will Monique’s decision not to respond affect the court’s inclination whether to move to the next step and take up this appeal?

We’ll add TX Lawyer’s thoughts as soon as we can get them.

And here he is…

It doesn’t mean much by itself. Respondents typically file waiver letters hoping that the court will just deny the petition for review without further bother. It’s a “nothing to see here” move. Without seeing Monique’s waiver the only thing that seems unusual about this move is the timing. These things are usually filed pretty much immediately after the petition is filed, so as to move the matter more quickly to the justices. Still, that’s no big deal.

As to the briefing, the next step is still for the court to request a response to the petition for review. That only takes one vote from one justice, so it’s likely to happen just because this case is interesting. The vote on full merits briefs will happen after filing of Mrs. Rathbun’s response to the petition for review and the church’s reply brief.

 
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  • I really wonder what Monique and Mark are up to, and hope that they prevail against the Church of Scientology.

    • They’ve got this.
      ..

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Is it awful that I still laugh at that movie?? πŸ™‚

        • April

          No, it’s not. Still one of my favorite comedies.
          Surely you must be kidding.

          • Baby

            And Don’t call me Shirley..

            ( That was just too easy..April)

            • April

              It was a setup. And YOU fell for it! bwahahahahahha
              BTW, do you like movies about gladiators?

            • Baby

              Yes..I did.. Uhmm depends.. I don’t go out and seek such movies, but I have enjoyed a couple..

        • Rasha

          This is one of the few delights left. I feel like a kid when I watch it – and I’ve never even been in a Turkish prison!

  • seriouslyWTF

    No comment

    • No comment to your no comment.

    • Baby

      Confucius say:
      ” Not to Comment…Is to Comment..”

      • seriouslyWTF

        Ah, very wise man.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Love the little HowdyCon logo.

    Karen & Allison together? Has to be fabulous. πŸ™‚

  • sashiebgood

    At the risk of rueing my day… I can only think that there’s some kind of settlement going on here, right? well, I hope so anyway. I’m really hoping that scn offered the Rathbuns a bunch of money to drop this whole thing.

  • Let’s kick off the ‘rue’ memes and jokes, cuz we know today shall be rue-full here πŸ˜‰ F5

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Rue-Fest?

  • Sarah James

    Captain David ” let him die” Miscavige has every right to send dildo’s to members and nonmembers as he pleases.
    What a jerk.

    • A dildo is a sacred item in the Co$ and therefore ecclesiastical. By sending her a dildo, they were trying to spread their gospel’s message which is “You’re fucked.” Co$ has the freedom of speech and freedom of religion to have the church message of “You’re fucked” and can disseminate said message in any manner they wish. Sending a dildo is akin to Jehovah Witnesses going door to door. As the world’s fastest growing religion, Co$ cannot understand the prejudice it faces when trying to spread their message of “You’re fucked.”

      • Sarah James

        Perhaps davy has a future in door to door dildo sales?

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I’d buy an extra large just whack him in the back of his head with it. Then I’d leave him by the garbage cans at the road, dildo in hand.

          • funnybroad

            Just in his hand? I can think of a better place…

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Just thinking of my local police department, they find enough weird shit. πŸ˜€

            • funnybroad

              Ok. I guess one in the hand is worth 2 in the ………..

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              I’d have to tie a string on them because they’d get lost in there. *gag* πŸ˜€

          • Sarah James

            I like your plan.:-)

          • Baby

            You can borrow mine NO’leans

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              LOL You’re too kind Baby. πŸ˜€

          • MissCandle

            I have a stainless steel thermos you can use.

        • Linda Clement

          Not a chance.

        • You had to bring that up.
          I was a door to door dildo salesman, but the only thing I ever sold was my thermos.

  • Graham

    Am I understanding this correctly? Monique has decided to throw in the towel. However the court might still wish to pursue this as it breaks new legal ground. So despite Monique having sacked her legal team and wanting to walk away from this the court might force her to stay in the game and produce a legal argument for her side?

    • Baby

      Graham.. We don’t know what is behind her/him decision. I’m hoping they have Aces up their sleeves..

      • Graham

        What’s puzzling me is the legal process. All the indications are that Monique, for whatever reason, has decided to walk away from this. If that’s so can the court force her to stay involved for the purposes of helping them pursue a legal argument to its conclusion? That seems to be what Tony’s saying when he talks about “the court’s inclination whether to move to the next step, and take up the church’s appeal by asking each side to submit full briefs”. Not sure what use a ‘full brief’ would be if it’s submitted by a lay person who has dismissed her legal team and whose heart is no longer in it.

        • Baby

          There are so many scenarios to this quagmire.

          I personally believe there is a behind closed doors agreement that we will NOT be privileged too.

          It will be a win win for all involved. That is just my opinion. Scientology will not make a deal without it also benefiting them.

          Marty and Mosey will not make a deal without it benefiting them.

        • TexasBroad

          If Monique wanted, she could have dropped the lawsuit, not just fired her attorneys. She’s the plaintiff…she could have stopped the whole thing. Still puzzling, but if she was done, she could just end the lawsuit.

          • Ben Franklin

            Keeping the lawsuit alive would be in her favor if she is really looking for a settlement in this case. Once the case is dead, there would be no incentive or interest to settle from the church’s perspective.

            • TexasBroad

              Agreed. My comment was in reply to Graham’s comment that it seemed Monique was walking away from everything.

            • Ben Franklin

              Simply walking away would not help Monique at all because the Church is notorious for going for the jugular especially when one becomes vulnerable. The Church’s goal is not just to win a fight, but, to utterly destroy their opponent.

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          We don’t know that Monique has walked away from her case. She has decided not to rebut the church’s petition to the Texas Supreme Court. If the petition is denied, I seriously doubt the U.S. Supreme Court will be interested in hearing the church’s appeal. Litigants often represent themselves pro se. Sometimes they win against teams of powerhouse lawyers from BigLaw firms. The difference in this case and the other pro se cases is Monique’s legal team was winning, and it was doing a stellar job. I have a hard time understanding what Monique gains from firing them, but it’s Monique’s decision to make, not mine.

          • Baby

            Ohhh I love your new avi.. beautiful…

            It is very difficult to understand..I agree..

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              Thank you, Baby, we share a love of art.

            • Baby

              Yes we do! My favorite color is pink.. and I love the Asian style of yours..

          • Graham

            Yes, it was just my assumption that sacking your legal team = giving up. If she’s sacked her legal team but is still carrying on that really is bizarre.

      • John McGhee

        Hopefully not the Jive Aces! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YLpUatutZDw

        • Baby

          Hey Irish.. I was thinkin of you yesterday.. Happy St. Pats.. love ya you handsome red head..

          • John McGhee

            Hahaha, back atcha, bombshell πŸ™‚

    • TonyOrtega

      Actually, this is probably her smartest move here. Rather than try to write a response herself, she’s letting the court decide just on Scientology’s petition whether they should take up this case. As TX Lawyer indicated, however, he thinks this case is just too juicy for the court to pass up. And if they bite, the court will then ask both sides to submit full briefs on the matter.

      If they don’t bite, the ruling by the appellate court is upheld. Scientology would probably then petition the US Supreme Court.

      • chukicita

        Scientology and SCOTUS would require more popcorn.

      • PickAnotherID

        If they do, it would be nice if SCOTUS threw ‘Hernadez’ back in their face and reminded them they are a business, not a church, and the IRS was wrong to say they were. Wishful thinking i know, but it’s all I’ve got until the cookie dough comes out of the fridge.

        • Rasha

          “Cookie Stuff” FIFY. ^_^

      • Linda Clement

        And wouldn’t that create yet more nasty scandal in the national press?

  • Supper Powers

    Damn. Another perfectly good day is rued.

    • Graham

      Let’s have less of your rued remarks πŸ™‚

    • PieFace

      You will rue the day you said this…

      • Baby

        Welcome PIE… Love your handle. cute name and avi.. You can sit beside me.. Better yet you can sit on my lap..

        Fork? Anyone? Forrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk

        • PieFace

          Aww, thanks…

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I saw what you did there.

  • aquaclara

    It worries me that Monique has left this suit rudderless I just hope she is ok. And I still hope Scientology can’t win in this appeal.

    • rued-derless FIFY

      • aquaclara

        Funny!

    • Sarah James

      +1

  • OOkpik

    I’m very much looking forward to Texas Lawyer’s thoughts on this ’cause it looks like a bucket of worms to me.
    Thanks for sharing your professional insight, TX L.

  • Sejanus

    This case now is just full of such…
    wasted opportunity.

    I wonder how big the briefcase full of money would have to be. 5 million?

  • Jeb Burton

    Never forget, in my opinion, that her husband is a psycho, look at his history. Seem this is all the warriors doing. Something fishy going on.

    • Sarah James

      I don’t think of him as a psycho, but he is damaged. I wouldn’t want to walk a day in his shoes. I do hope he is safe and can keep Monique and the baby protected as well.

      • Linda Clement

        Marty must have seen more of the worst than anyone, and felt obligated to do some things that probably give him nightmares. I was really struck by an interview Mike Rinder did in which he spoke about his time in RPF. Marty was more or less about to beat him up and Mike looked him in the eye and said, “I’m not playing this game any more, Marty,” and Marty, knowing exactly what he meant, stopped instantly. Which tells me that he wasn’t beating people up for the fun of it. You all know much more about this than I do, but mentally and emotionally processing those experiences must be sheer hell.

    • Baby

      You never a have a kind word bout anything Jeb. We all have our own battles to contend with.

      • Jeb Burton

        Is there something positive in this story I am missing? I always have a kind word and I’m very loveable. Just don’t ask my exes. They didn’t understand my sunny disposition.

        • Baby

          Don’t let me holler for Bury..

    • ^This comment really sums you up Jeb.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Look everyone, the spirit of Easter is here.

      Ah Jeb, you’re the salt on my margarita dear. ; )

      • Frodis73

        On the floor.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          You’re very spicy today love. πŸ˜€ ❀

          • Frodis73

            Lol, just one of those days.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Do you girl. ; )

      • Jeb Burton

        Hope you get a rotten egg in your basket. Happy Easter!

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Nah, I’ll be eating ham at the family’s house then coming home to have a few cocktails with my husband before I screw his brains out.

          I think Jesus would approve.

          • daisy

            I am fairly certain it is Mark 14-8

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              When the youngest child goes forth to fish with his grandfather, there shall be lovemaking in the home.

              I may not have the quote quite right. πŸ˜€

    • Rasha

      I often forget other people’s opinions. They get in the way of mine.

    • Susan B.

      Psycho is in the eye of the beholder.

  • Baby

    Mama.. “Why doesn’t Mr. Rathbun like Mr. Ortega? ”

    ” Never Mind Roo.” “Mark my words Scientology is still going down..Cause it is very bad..” f5

    • f5

    • joan nieman

      Good one Baby! I really think Marty has suddenly become confused and disorientated. It is so ” off the wall ” what he and his wife have done. It is difficult to understand. They must have just reached some kind of breaking point after all they have been through. I hope they can live peacefully and content no matter what happens next.

      • Baby

        I agree with you Joanie..

        Unless they both know exactly what they are doing..xo

    • Linda Clement

      And Marty has played a big role in that.

  • Mary

    The only thing I can figure is that Monique settled with the church and the rest of this is just BS. Red herring shit.
    Nothing else makes sense unless Monique and Mark had a big fight and she wants nothing more to do with him or his fucking (ex) church. (Am I not suppose to say “fucking?”)

    • Baby

      Swearing is allowed Mary.. But you have to pay a toll.. Forward $200 to me.. and I’ll take care of it for you.

      • Mary

        The check’s in the mail.

        • Baby

          You are now free to emote with words of your choosing! Fuck AWAY..

      • daisy

        FUCK- you made me pay &500

        • Baby

          Well.. You feel for my heavy regging .. I can’t help it you were a sucker..

          Plus you look like you have money.. with you Whale looks..

    • check…check….FUCKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yep, it’s allowed!

    • Bea

      100% allowed – the proprietor here used it twice in the same response to one of my posts on this very topic…

  • FredEX2

    I ❀️ Karen de la Carriere. Thank you for posting this interview with Karen & Allison Hope Weiner. She’s a Heroine and is so tenacious. She may seem tiny and delicate,…but she’s a force to be reckoned with. She’s also the sweetest person and a support to so many who have been caused terrible wrongs and sufferings thru being Fair Gamed at the hands of that evil little destructive demon psychopath Miscavige and his evil minions.

    • aquaclara

      You said it!!

      I haven’t listened to the video yet, but will shortly. Karen kicking up the truth is not to be missed.

    • Bernie

      Karen is great. I loved when she said DM was a sadist and gave an example of making people crawl on their knees and not allow them to walk. OSA – look up laws regarding “aiding and abetting”.

  • Chee Chalker

    I’ve lost count of the Days of Rue…I think we’re up to Rue Day #4 or 5.

    • Supper Powers

      The days of wine and rueses.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        “The days of Whine and Rueses.”

        There. Fixed it for you…

        • Supper Powers

          Ha! Yes.

  • Frodis73

    I just can’t with the whole Monique and Marty stuff today. It seems like she made the biggest freaking mistake and I fear that by her doing what she did, it will make it harder to find lawyers that want to take on the church. She was winning FFS. This makes no sense and I truly hate not knowing what is up.

  • BosonStark

    I like how Karen mentioned that Scientology ads cause spikes in views of her videos which expose them. Of course, the cult is placing the ads now mainly to give the active members the delusion that that Scientology is saving the planet and still marketable.

    It’s ironic that many more wogs know about their big Xenu secret than active Scientologists. The only super power of many Scientologists at this point seems to be ignoring the plain facts about Hubbard and the beliefs, history, and practices of their own cult.

  • Supper Powers

    Edited because disqus.

  • PickAnotherID

    And in other news, it’s “National Lacy Oatmeal Cookie Day”. Not to be confused with “National Oatmeal Cookie Day”, which is on April 30th. The difference being “Lacy Oatmeal Cookie’s” and “Basic Oatmeal Cookies” can be seen below. Significant ingredient differences have been highlighted, and yes, there is a difference between baking powder and baking soda. If today’s story has you down, bake some cookies!

    Basic Oatmeal Cookies:

    1 cup packed brown sugar
    1/2 cut white sugar
    2/3 cup butter, softened
    1/4 cup water
    1 egg
    1 teaspoon almond extract
    1/2 teaspoon baking soda
    1 cup all-purpose flour
    3 cups rolled oats

    Combine all ingredients in the order shown.
    Refrigerate dough overnight.
    Drop by rounded teaspoonful onto lightly greased cookie sheet.
    Bake at 350F/175C 12 to 15 minutes (Times vary with ovens)
    Remove from oven and let rest a minute or two before removing from cookie sheet.

    Lacy Oatmeal Cookies:

    2 eggs, well beaten
    1 cup white sugar
    1/4 cup melted butter
    1 pinch salt
    2 teaspoons baking powder
    1/2 cup flour
    1 teaspoon vanilla extract
    1/2 cup light brown sugar
    1 cup pecans (broken>
    1 cup raw oatmeal

    Mix all ingreadients together, the oatmeal going in last. Mix well.
    Drop 1/2 teaspoonful for each cookie onto cookie sheet. Space well, they spread.
    Bake on top shelf at 335F/168C for 10 to 12 minutes (Times vary with ovens)
    Remove from cookie sheet immediately.
    Let cool until crisp

    • chukicita

      “Refrigerate dough overnight.”

      Argh.

      • PickAnotherID

        Worst part of the recipe. The anticipation drives me crazy.

        • UhLasare

          No time for overnight refrigeration here. I will mix them and stick in the freezer for a bit then bake. They’ll probably be a disaster. I’m horrible with cookies. But we’ll see.

        • UhLasare

          Oh well, I didn’t make them afterall. Better for my diet. πŸ˜€ I did save the recipes, though.

    • UhLasare

      Thanks. I think I’ll make these!

  • EnthralledObserver

    There’s a part of me that suspects there is a ‘surprise legal-team’ addition to be made right at the last minute… a blindside, a ‘in your face, you whiny little bitch’ moment coming up right when a response is required, but not beforehand.
    Or… I could just be hopeful. This is too juicy to let go of… I don’t wanna! πŸ™

    • Jimmy3

      I’m fully expecting Chuck Norris to kick the courtroom doors down at the last second.

      • EnthralledObserver

        *nods* I can see it… I really can… last second.

      • Juicer77

        I like it… let’s take it to Broadway!!

      • Kim O’Brien

        his hip would fall off. He’s like 80 now

        • Jimmy3

          That’s only 8 in Chuck Norris years.

    • JOE BLOW

      I vote for this version.

  • Jimmy3

    I know it’s not cake but

    • PickAnotherID

      I wish I could. I swiped so much rhubarb out of my Mom’s patch when I was a kid, I devolped an allergy to it. My mom just went, “Well, now you know what Karma’s all about.”

      • Draco

        Don’t you love it when parents get all squishy and lovey when you are feeling crap?

    • Observer

      Not a shoop.

      refresh

      • Frodis73

        Oh…that looks good.

      • Supper Powers

        ?
        F5

        • Juicer77

          Hollywood After Dark. Rue striptease. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

          • Supper Powers

            *shudders*

            • Juicer77

              Granted this was many moons ago. Still… (there’s a riffed version by the Rifftrax predecessors, The Film Crew.).

          • DexterSka

            The MST3K almuns did a funny version of it.

      • Jimmy3

        Thank you for being a friend
        Travelled down the road and back again
        Your heart is rue
        You’re a pal and a confidant

        Thank you for being a friend

        • ithilien

          Is it possible to have a friend in scientology? With all the spying and ratting out?

    • Draco

      Pie is always good – especially RUEBARB pie.

    • joan nieman

      Now we can rue the day.

  • chukicita

    Beez in da trap, Katniss. [f5]

  • Polly Anna

    Phillip Seymour Hoffman died by “suicide” after portraying LRH. Who would be surprised if something nefarious happened to Karen made to look as if it were self-inflicted? R2-45 comes to mind…

    Karen is incredibly brave to continue to speak out loudly and publically. She has more than saved thousands of people, making Alexander justifiably proud.

    • Supper Powers

      You might consider rewording that.

      • Linda Clement

        Please leave out the part about Karen getting shot.

    • Frodis73

      PSH died of a heroin overdose and it had NOTHING to do with the Co$!!! #%!!@#^%$$#@*

      • Polly Anna

        … after being clean for quite some time.

        • Tony Ortega

          ….which is what happens in a lot, if not most, overdose deaths.

        • Frodis73

          Yeah, so? You know nothing about addiction if you think that is something special. People in recovery constantly relapse…even people with 20 or 30 years can relapse. Why the hell do you think they say one day at a time? Because every addict knows they will always have that urge to pick up again.

          • Polly Anna

            Knowing the covert operations against Paulette Cooper and the way the Co$ operates, why would it surprise anyone that they would know exactly how to make such a thing appear to be self-inflicted? I for one, have always been suspicious. Just sayin’!

            • Frodis73

              I’m very familiar with the church and their nasty tricks…I’m also a junkie and know addiction VERY well. Addiction is hell…it’s complex and it rules your life.

            • Frodis73

              Plus, it was NO secret that he was using among his closest friends…his wife kicked him out of their house ffs. No scientology involved.

            • Jimmy3

              I hate bullshit conspiracy theories like this, because they cast unnecessary doubt on the very real truth that LRH had JFK killed.

            • Frodis73

              I know! So frustrating. Let’s shine some sun on the REAL conspiracy.

            • EnthralledObserver

              No… I mean, not that that couldn’t be true, but the conspiracy of note is that the CO$ keeps fucking up the world over giving TO material to write endlessly causing all addicted Bunkeroos to get absolutely NO sleep and all of us to DIE! It’s well known that TO does not require any sleep, so he alone remains unaffected to continue writing and addicting new followers daily – the poor saps don’t comprehend what is ahead for them.

            • Draco

              IKR?

            • Acherontia

              IT ALL MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW, JIMMY.

            • Mockingbird

              JIMMY !!! (Shaking fist) ! Mark my words, you will rue this day !!!

            • TheMirrorThetan

              OMG. Sherlock Jimmy has just solved the mystery!

            • Mockingbird

              The new Alex Jones, David Icke and David Avocado Wolfe of the Bunker.

            • PJK

              No, everybody knows that a time-traveling JFK from an alternate future killed JFK. At least those of us who watched Red Dwarf’s seventh season. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tikka_to_Ride for more information and the reason why JFK would assassinate himself.

            • Frodis73

              I had forgotten about Red Dwarf and now it’s been mentioned twice in the past 24 hours. How funny.

            • Susan B.

              Amen that and I don’t like the comment at the start of this thread which includes “something nefarious” and Karen in the same sentence. Creepy.

            • Linda Clement

              He was exterior on the grassy knoll. Trouble was, he still had that real-world form of dyslexia that afflicted him in the military when he went to war with Mexico, and instead of shooting at the Prez he fired a flurry of shots in the direction of the front seat, thus creating mass confusion and nicking the Governor of Texas in the wrist.

            • Kim O’Brien

              maybe they followed Paulette …but they never did anything to anyone else . The COS does not stalk people , or hire private eyes, or wage some sort of campaign against people who leave the Church . All that stuff is just a big lie . Monique dropping her law suit just PROVES it. Sure …MAYBE a few years ago they messed with Paulette, but that was just a couple of people , and they were expelled . Your stories are all just lies,. IF it were true …why would Monique drop the lawsuit ? And who in their right mind would believe in that “disconnection” rumor ?! That was just a lie …the church has proven that it is a lie . Stop making stuff up . If there was ANY proof …someone would take them to court .I for one have always been suspicious . Just sayin!

            • daisy

              I understand what you are saying. That they could do something similar, debatable but in this case I doubt it. His death was a natural one for a heroin addict, I am afraid.

        • Jimmy3

          … Which happens quite often.

        • Acherontia

          Tolerance for drugs such as heroin decreases after periods of being clean, but the addict will still crave it. If they then take the amount they were used to before they relapse, there is a high risk of OD’ing. Very sad.

        • TheMirrorThetan

          That is exactly how lots of former addicts die.
          They don’t have the tolerance level they previously did.
          Chill out with the conspiracy theory crap. COS have plenty of true horror stories a it is.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      PSH? No.

      Something happening to Karen? Ummm No.

      Is she making Alexander proud? Absolutely.

    • TexasBroad

      That COS had anything to do with PHS is a pretty outrageous suggestion…not one I’ve heard before and not supported by any evidence of it. COS is responsible for enough evil on its own. No need to make anything up.

      • Graham

        Yep- no need to make anything up. Indeed, making stuff up is counter-productive as it just muddies the waters. The more conspiracy theories and other bollox that circulates the more difficult it is to get a handle on the documented atrocities. Difficult to see the wood from the trees if someone keeps putting up fake trees all over the place. Wild, unsubstantiated speculation plays right into the hands of OSA.

        • Polly Anna

          There is a substantial difference between speculation and fabrication. But thanks to all for once again confirming the pack mentality and that free thought and expression are not welcome. I can’t wait until I post that it is a nice spring day and my garden is blooming, only to have the same individuals jump on me like a pack of rabid beasts. Have a nice day.

          • Kim O’Brien

            as long as you don’t post something fucking stupid like winter committed suicide by overdosing on heroin …you should be fine . Or not . We have our own gardens

            • Polly Anna

              … and obviously your own thought police as well!

            • Kim O’Brien

              think about Brad Pitt in a sarong …i command you

          • Frodis73

            We are not a pack of wild beasts, but there are lots of people here that are very good at pointing out stupidity. Free thought and expression are very welcome here. Scientology is responsible for so many horrible things, it’s a waste of time to focus on stuff that is not true. You can speculate all you want but there is NO evidence that the church had anything to do with his death while there is a lot of evidence that he’s an addict that had relapsed. Trust me, we would absolutely love to pin his death on the church…but common sense shows that it is just not true.

          • daisy

            I feel like I have been respectful, I just happen to disagree with you. If my past education differed from the bunker residents I would also say that to. If one member is disrespectful it doesn’t mean we all are.

    • Kim O’Brien

      you really look like a fool …. honestly

      • seriouslyWTF

        Okay. So, in , PollAnna’s defense, that theory has come up before and with the craziness in Miss Lovely I can understand why someone would come to that as a possibility. It does not make her a fool nor does it warrant an attack or name calling. You can all disagree without being mean about it. Geez.

    • daisy

      While I agree about Karen being brave, I highly doubt that Phillip dying had anything to do with COS. They had no motive, Often drug abusers after they have been clean and sober will take their old dosage of their drug of choice. That can result in an over dose. When we speculate about conspiracy theories we are counter productive. We want to maintain Tony*s factual reporting, and not spread misinformation
      Oh crap somebody already said this better down thread

      • Draco

        You said it just fine. Even if you do use * instead of ‘

  • Fred G. Haseney

    Happy Saint David Miscavige Day

    I hope you had a Happy Saint Patrick’s Day. This is Photojournalist Fred G. Haseney with his eye on Scientology. For today’s blog, I’m near the Pacific Area Command Base (β€œPAC Base” or β€œBig Blue”), the Church of Scientology’s West Coast headquarters, in Los Angeles. More specifically, I’m reporting from the Scientology Media Center, located at 4401 Sunset Boulevard, in Los Angeles, because it’s about to open.

    http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/JennyAtLAX/Happy%20Saint%20David%20Miscavige%20Day/1%202016-03-17%20DSC04583_zpsjllzku3n.jpg

    This is the Scientology Media Center, in Los Angeles. Item #1 covers a sign over the front gate. Item #2 covers one of two signs to the right of the front gate. Item #3 is a cover over the second of two signs to the right of the front gate. Item #4 covers a sign that faces Sunset Blvd., west of the front gate.

    http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/JennyAtLAX/Happy%20Saint%20David%20Miscavige%20Day/2%202016-03-17%20DSC04567_zpszp1s9ff3.jpg

    Item #1 covers a sign over SMC’s front gate, as seen from across the street.

    http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/JennyAtLAX/Happy%20Saint%20David%20Miscavige%20Day/5%202016-03-17%20DSC04589_zpsthff8dre.jpg

    Item #2 covers one of two signs to the right of SMC front gate.

    http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/JennyAtLAX/Happy%20Saint%20David%20Miscavige%20Day/7%202016-03-17%20DSC04598_zps3pm60pjt.jpg

    Item #3 covers the second of two signs to the right of SMC front gate.

    http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/JennyAtLAX/Happy%20Saint%20David%20Miscavige%20Day/8%202016-03-17%20DSC04560_zps6itpdu6w.jpg

    Item #4 covers a sign that faces Sunset Blvd., west of the front gate.

    http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/JennyAtLAX/Happy%20Saint%20David%20Miscavige%20Day/11%202016-03-17%20DSC04564_zps9gglf90m.jpg%5B11%5D 2016-03-17 DSC04564

    Three people confer in preparation of SMC’s grand opening. The guy on the right is definitely a Sea Org (“SO) member.

    http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/JennyAtLAX/Happy%20Saint%20David%20Miscavige%20Day/12%202016-03-17%20DSC04570_zps86uvp9mp.jpg

    This van, about to exit SMC’s front gate, is owned and operated by the Church of Scientology International.

    http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w25/JennyAtLAX/Happy%20Saint%20David%20Miscavige%20Day/14%202016-03-17%20DSC04587_zpsyipqqoed.jpg

    SMC’s parking structure has received a fresh coat of paint; the light fixtures and staircase still have protective material taped to it from the work.

    Originally posted to JennyAtLAX (with more photographs), “Happy Saint David Miscavige Day,” March 18, 2016.
    https://jennyatlax.wordpress.com/2016/03/17/happy-saint-david-miscavige-day/

    • Juicer77

      Oh, boy!! Now all we need is the giant ribbon in place and we’re all set for a grand unveiling!! Does DM dare get that close to a public street?!?

    • Rasha

      Their bus is advertising a radical new revenue stream:

      “LEASE
      SMOKING
      -STEP UP!”

      …in “status” I assume.

    • Hamtaro

      Nice job, Fred. I really hope your next report is:

      http://enrollment.rochester.edu/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/And-Its-Gone..jpg

      • Juicer77

        That was fast! XD

      • joan nieman

        Wouldn’t that be a dream come true. Getting rid of the nightmare.

      • DexterSka

        All the of the people have the look of Sea Org members. One of them even has keys.

        • Fred G. Haseney

          You’re right, DexterSka: they’re all Sea Org, especially the guy with the keys!

    • JOE BLOW

      What’s with the sign cover-ups. It’s nauseating how everything in $cientology is like….Grand Gala Opening!….Internationally known singer! (when they’re not even known outside the block they live on, turns out his mother lives in France). This will change everything! The Guh-lax-y has never witnessed such a…..!!

      Gotta go puke now. ‘scuse me.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Gala! Gala! Gala! I want to be there at the Grand Opening, something that’ll be difficult to keep outsiders away from. Sunset Blvd. is a very busy street to try and block, even if you’e Saint Miscavige.

        • JOE BLOW

          Really appreciate your coverage Fred!

    • Observer

      I wonder if the van driver is a hired wog. It seems odd that Miscavige would entrust a means of escape to a Sea Org member. Or maybe a goon or two rides around in the van all day.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        I’ll lay odds that the van driver is Sea Org.

      • Rasha

        Per Transportation Tech, the van has only .85 liters of fuel. Also, the driver is to remain conversing with handlers the depot at all times, and is monitored by 7 Range Rovers along the route, and which get 2.3 mpg, and are to be running constantly for the duration of the transportation.

        • Observer

          I know you’re snarking, but that’s not all that far-fetched. I bet the van has GPS too.

          • Rasha

            Yeah, sad, really.

          • HappypantsDance

            Probably that GPS is discreetly mounted beneath the van. Wouldn’t put it past DM to start microchipping So members.

            • DexterSka

              They’re handle of technology seems pretty lousy though.

      • DexterSka

        There are some members that drive.

    • No bed sheets on the tower.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        I noticed that, too. They’ve deviated from the plans.

        • Juicer77

          (f5)

        • PickAnotherID

          Heh! And they thought it would just take a simple sign permit for that. Guess they just couldn’t get around those special zoning rules for antenna, or the FAA and FCC rules regarding antenna tower modifications.

          • Fred G. Haseney

            Maybe the City of Los Angeles disapproved Scientology’s “CSW” (“Completed Staff Work”) presented for “antenna tower modications.”

            • DexterSka

              Why do they call it completed when you’re making a proposal? You’d think English would be easier to understand.

            • Fred G. Haseney

              Not in Scientologyville!

    • Bea

      I wonder if there is a Mike Rinder helicopter waiting in the wings? That would force everyone inside in short order and cut down on DM’s speech.

      • PieFace

        I hope so, might give them some much needed enturbulation.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Just the recorded sound of a helicopter might given everyone at their Grand Opening reason to run and hide.

        • Juicer77

          *snort*

        • OOkpik

          How about these guys with video cameras and “Call Me” banners?
          Great visibility on both sides. It would be a win-win. *snickersnort*

          • Fred G. Haseney

            Win-win; snick;snort!

      • MostEthicalPimp

        What day is the grand opening?? I might be able to arrange something.

        • Fred G. Haseney

          It might be March 19, 2016, which coincides with Scientology’s event at the Kodak Theatre facility, in Hollywood.

    • Baby

      Excellent reporting Fred..thank you.. Great Pictures.. Wow.. You got some really good shots.

    • aquaclara

      Thanks, Fred. Love your tours.
      Hey Davey, MGM and Paramount never did this….and, oh, never had to. Because they make real movies.

      So. Here we have a planned opening for an in-house shop.. Something far, far less exciting than a commercial studio.
      Yippee.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        i wonder is tom cruise preparing his “grand opening ‘speech and in house video already.. so awesome he has been ordered, i mean volunteered to do so!..

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Jimmy & Fly doing a podcast would have more viewers. πŸ™‚ Yes, I would like this to happen. LOL

        • joan nieman

          Hey! That’s a great idea you have Nola.

        • Juicer77

          I second this idea. Hilarity ensues!

    • The place matches their web sites:
      scientologymediaproductions.com
      scientologymediaproductions.net
      scientologymediaproductions.org

      Registered 12/12/2012. No rush.

    • Sarcasmo

      Thanks, Fred. As always, good stuff.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Know anybody with an infra-red camera or thermal imaging device?

      • Fred G. Haseney

        How and when would such devices be used?

        • Eivol Ekdal

          It would show the signs underneath the shrouds in more detail – forgive me, I am a geek.

      • FredEX2

        Just use your OT superpowers to see thru the walls. πŸ˜†

      • Franklin Adams

        Infrared filters and IR film would work too. Stick em on and in an old film SLR. It would probably be the most cost effective, that is if you could find a place to develop the film, which might be a bit challenging nowadays.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      when can we see the “bust” of tom cruise erected?

      • Fred G. Haseney

        I’ll be sure to keep my camera greased for that blessed event!

    • Draco

      I didn’t know they are about to open. Where are the big red ribbons? The balloons? The confetti machines? Shrubs? DM’s little podium?

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Where are the millions of Grand Opening attendees? Are they on that bus marked “Church of Scientology International”? Are they all “little people” like their fearless leader Saintly David Miscavige?

    • PickAnotherID

      Based on the shape, I suspect “Item 3” is the intertwined triangles that were supposed to go near the top of the tower in the first pic. Funny how all the publicity about that turned out.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Who knows when the blessed event (Grand Opening) will be, although I guess sometime tomorrow as that will coincide with Scientology’s event at the Kodak Theatre.

        • ze moo

          I wonder what local news will cover the ‘grand opening’? And which clamlebrity will be DM’s puppet?

    • Missionary Kid

      Brain fart. I read that last one as “HAPPY SAINT DAVID MASSACRE DAY.”
      Thanks for the report.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Now, that would be an “event” to cover.

        • Missionary Kid

          AGREED!!! I think my hopes distorted my reading ability.

    • Mary

      Thanks Fred. Can’t’ wait to see the unveiling of Ron Miscavige’s book, Ruthless and the fanfare around that as well.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Same here, Mary!

    • Noesis

      On a slightly different, but related topic…one of the “benefits” of being a former Scientologist is that one already knows what it is like to be personally and intimately monitored by a dishonest, coercive organization that pretends to be forwarding “freedom.”

      An article in today’s Guardian describes more about the incredible build-out of a potential technological police state architecture by the Five Eyes…especially the US and England:
      http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/18/chelsea-manning-insider-threat-surveillance-government-employees

      For those that are not familiar…the recent revelations by Snowden about the mass surveillance done by the NSA and its partners…are NOT new. This stuff was going on for many decades prior to the details revealed by Snowden. If you doubt it, just pick up an old copy of “The Puzzle Palace” written in the very early 1980’s by James Bamford. It was chilling even then…but much less well known.

      The thing that has changed the most since then is not the amount of information collection being done by governements, but the ease of that collection because so many people have moved their lives onto the internet. SIGINT is, and always has been, much easier than HUMINT. SIGINT is now done on such a mass scale that it essentially involves every single person in the industrialized world.

      And the folks in the governments of the Five Eyes even have their own internal “PTS” policy…read the article above. It sounds almost EXACTLY like the SP / PTS policies of Scientology…and for very good reasons.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Yes, Noesis, in the document obtained by Chelsea Manning, published by the Guardian, there are eight “Insider Threat Motives:”

        1. Greed or Financial Difficulties. In fact, a stopping block in progressing up Scientology’s “Bridge to Total Freedom” is financial difficulty. I remember being in the Sea Org and owing someone money; it can be a problem for the individual owing the debt; it can become a problem for the group that the individual is aligned with (in this case, the Sea Org). That’s why the Sea Org demands a “Project Prepare” for someone who wants to join the Sea Org: there can be nothing that will tear a Sea Org member away from his/her post, including debt.

        2. Disgruntled or Wants Revenge. In Scientology, we learn that an upset can lead to revenge. In the ARC Triangle (that is, “A” meaning “Affinity,” “R” meaning “Reality,” and “C” meaning “Communication”), if any of those points are out-of-balance (as in a “break” of the affinity that someone has for someone or something else), it can cause the disgruntled person to seek revenge.

        3. Ideology.

        4. Divided Loyalties. This rings a bell. Scientology has a long list of Suppressive Groups that a Scientologist cannot be connected to. In Scientology, it’s either L. Ron Hubbard or the highway. In Scientology, you risk being taken off training or auditing (spiritual counseling) if your actions indicate any signs of being connected to any group or person “known” to be antagonistic or “against” Scientology.

        5. Vulnerable to Blackmail. What does the enemy of Scientology know about a Scientologists that can make the Scientologist an enemy against Scientology? That is, what can Scientology’s enemy hold over a parishioner’s head to keep him in the enemy’s ranks?

        6. Ego/Self-Image.

        7. Ingratiation.

        8. Family/Personal Issues. A Scientologist with a husband against Scientology can thwart a wife’s progress up the Bridge.

        All of these points are called “out points” in Scientology, or “bad indicators.” Any one of them can punch a hole in Scientology’s bubble world.” Likewise, they can punch a hole in the security of a government.

        My thanks to Tony Ortega for providing a safe place for this forum.

        Source:

        https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2766933-Chelsea-2.html

        • Noesis

          The entire situation with these potentially dangerous mass surveillance programs is that we are always just one bad actor away from the information being used for political purposes. Imagine if Richard Nixon or J. Edgar Hoover had access to the sort of data that is now collected.

          The Nixon “enemies list” was a perfect playground for abuse of the extremely detailed and sensitive information that is now collected and stored about the activities of ALL Americans who use the internet.

          A further problem with collecting “evidence” before a crime is even suspected, let alone accomplished…is that one never knows what “might become” a criminal act in the future.

          Doubt that statement? Just ask any of the surviving Japanese Americans who were part of the more than 125,000 that were forcefully relocated and imprisoned in camps during WWII…for the “crime” of their Japanese ancestry. They did not know previously that it would become virtually illegal to be Japanese and live in the US…until it was illegal and they were arrested.

          It is remarkable that the “debate” about mass surveillance has essentially ended…with no significant changes being made post Snowden.

          And if anyone believes the phone call “metadata” program being limited was significant, then welcome to the world of being made stupid via deliberate propaganda and misinformation. The phone metadata program was always of virtually no use and BY FAR less intrusive than what was actually revealed in the details released by the Snowden leaks.

          Limited phone meta-data storage was the chemical equivalent of L. Ron Hubbard “cancelling” Fair Game and Disconnection. None of those things ever really happened…but there are pieces of paper that say they did.

          • Jenny Lee de Becker

            That’s why I never could understand how TC could do Minority Report and not “get it”

            • Noesis

              Well…he is not exactly the brightest bulb.

              But I heard that he did actually read a book…once.

              So there is that.

        • Noesis

          These are all classical counter-intelligence “outpoints” (LOL) that have been used for decades to spot potential moles.

          What is unusual today is the level of paranoia, not about moles from the intelligence agencies of “enemy” countries, but about honest whistle blowers inside one’s own spook agency that are willing to tell the truth about what is being done by those very agencies to the entire population of the countries they are supposed to “protect.”

          This is homegrown tyranny in the making and people are for the most part simply ignoring it (or actually advocating for it) because they are frightened of external “terrorists.”

    • BosonStark

      I see they didn’t bother to Mediterraneanize it with a stucco job. It’s really not that much different from what was there before. Now if they can just get their silly TV station up and running, the laughs can begin.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        I can just envision the near future: husband and wife seated around the television.

        HUSBAND (TO WIFE): What’s on the “Scientology Cable Network” tonight, dear?
        WIFE (TO HUSBAND): “Wheel of Misfortune.”

        A commercial has just ended. Pat Sajak and Vanna White who hosted the syndicated version since its inception have since been become part of David “Ruthless” Miscavige’s new network. Tonight’s episode has a very special guest.

        PAT SAJAK: It’s your turn, David.
        DAVID MISCAVIGE: That’s “Saint” David to you, Pat.
        PAT SAJAK: It’s your turn, Saint.
        DAVID MISCAVIGE: One more wise crack and you’re off to the RPF!

        • ithilien

          How many vowels can you buy with 1.5 billion?

    • Kestrel

      Thank you for your update, Fred.

    • scottmercer

      Bleh, I worked there every day 1989 to 1993. Disgusted that it’s part of the Clampire now. Actually I blame the management of KCET (same idiots that were in charge when I worked there so long ago) for not being able to hold on to the facility, having to disengage from PBS and move to a tiny facility in Burbank. What a disgrace.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        And now it’s Scientology’s turn to mess up, but in a BIG WAY!

    • ithilien

      I love your posts

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Thank you, ithilien; they’re fun to do!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    While I shake my head and wonder,
    hoping for the best for Monique,
    here’s a bunch of old limericks:

    There once was a tyrant from Philly
    Whose speeches were insufferably silly
    He would hector and rant
    All this meaningless cant
    But dumb whales still clapped willy-nilly

    There once was a bully named Dave.
    He just loved to hurt and deprave.
    He locked up his wife
    For the rest of her life
    But the world knew he was a knave.

    In the “Church” where he preyed,
    Immense fortunes he made.
    The squeak of John Lobbs
    Drowned out his slaves’ sobs –
    Rice ‘n beans was all they were paid

    There once was a crook called DM
    The doublecross was his emblem
    He stole, beat and robbed
    While his victims all sobbed
    The deluded still thought him a gem

    There once was a con named El Ron.
    At posing and lying, he shone.
    On his face, a big cyst,
    He was frequently pissed.
    He’s not missed, now he’s dead and gone

    There once was a thug called Miscavige.
    His cult, he did fully mismanage.
    His aim was not true,
    His “values” askew,
    And the beatings he gave were quite savage.

    There once was a sociopath
    Excessively given to wrath.
    While maintaing his front,
    The diminutive runt
    Walked on on his psycho path.

    There once was a man who was tiny.
    He loved everything that was shiny
    When he stood on his box
    Like a pustulant pox,
    DM’s voice was insufferably whiny

    There was a scoundrel named Ron
    Who did eighty thousand men con.
    That’s a lot to have robbed
    But, while he never sobbed,
    The tears still roll on and on

    There once was a tyrant named Ron
    Who led thousands of innocents on.
    A coward, not brave,
    His successor, wee Dave,
    Hid out and continued the con

    These are baby otters,
    not to be confused with a small rotter:

  • Juicer77

    I am watching Monique’s case with my hands over my eyes, peeking through my fingers a la horror movie style. No idea where this is going. Stay tuned, I suppose.

    Karen did a good job with the interview but it’s probably not a great choice for new $ci watchers. Too many $ci terms and half finished sentences that don’t make sense out of context. But all kudos to her for doing it and speaking out about how the “church” has been harassing her!

    • Linda Clement

      Something I’ve noticed about Karen is that she pauses before speaking and then uses complex grammatical structures. She gets a lot of information into a single sentence, and only rarely has to go back and repeat a point. If you typed up her interview this morning with the appropriate punctuation, you’d get perfectly structured English of which very few people are capable in our age of sound bytes and snippets.

  • Simi Valley

    Xander posted another vid where he asks clams about Shelly. This time he made sure to mention that she’s “COB’s wife” and a lot more people paid attention … at least for a couple of seconds.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpcEvSqQ9oE&feature=youtu.be

    • Juicer77

      Yeah, ‘cuz the security guards outside my church always stop me from talking to people. SMH
      Keep on keepin’ on, Darth. Great work.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        I’ve never been to a church that had security guards. LOL

        I’ve the ushers standing around making sure everyone is cool but never security. Another example of how Scientology is completely oblivious to how they look to the outside world.

        • Juicer77

          I wonder how many public $cientologists are going under the radar (leaving quietly) because they are getting SOOOO many instructions on who NOT to interact with. They’ve got to be questioning planet clearing policies that involve complete seclusion!

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            The constant grind for money or time or their kids for the Sea Org or joining staff has got to be getting bad. I had a thought the other day that, what if there are more people “pretending” right now than actual die-hards to COB & KSW. I hope it’s true. I hope the whole damn thing is crumbling underneath his tiny feet. πŸ™‚

            • Juicer77

              With so few members and many 2nd and 3rd gen subject to family blackmail (also known as Disconnection), I bet the pretenders are a very large group.

            • If this is so (and I think this is distinct possibility) it’s going to become very important when membership has declined significantly from the present base, and there is a crisis (e.g. another defection).

              If enough ‘pretenders’ decide that the CofS no longer has the organisational capacity to persecute them for leaving ,there will be nothing to fear but fear itself. If some walk away, and noting happens to them, they could trigger a chain reaction.

              This is why I think that Scientology’s organisational collapse, when it comes, will be unexpectedly sudden and complete – rather like the collapse of the Soviet Union.

              The only unsettling aspect is that the CofS will likely still have a lot of money. If the ‘true believers’ retire to Scientology’s isolated compounds, the social situation could turn nasty.

            • richelieu jr

              I agree totally about the collapse, but not about the pretending– there are people avoiding regges, courses and flying under the radar as much a s possible to keep their families together, but day-in, day-out pretending? Impossible (see above)

            • I see your point about pretending (the moral of one of my favourite novels, Kurt Vonnegut’s “Mother Night” is, “be careful of who you pretend to be, because one day you may wake up to find that’s who you are”).

              However, that requires you to be immersed in an isolated social situation where you can never let your guard down. Perhaps, as Scientology’s organisational ability declines so does their ability to force their members to keep up a pretence at all times. Like a lazy method actor, members may then find themselves slipping out of character – and begin to consider playing another, more fulfilling role.

              The UTR people, who are not taking courses or making significant
              donations, might as well have left for all the use they are to the CofS.

            • richelieu jr

              Here is the thing, basically proven by Patty Hearst and god knows how many undercover cops and agents, Even the occasional Actor- You can in,y constantly pretend to be something you are not for a little while without actually becoming it,
              .
              Scientology, the military and ever totalitarian cult of personality or just plain cult is based on this basic principle.

          • richelieu jr

            Don’t believe the hype– it was nearly always thus. There is a greater air of desperation, but the heavy hand was never far and always feared.

        • Tracy Schmitz

          per my response above: and telling them to “ignore this person, don’t talk to him, don’t say anything and so on!” yes, quite normal for any religion/church/faith to do this! and these members don’t get that it’s NOT normal? much less being told who they can and can’t converse with? most adults can figure this out on their own and talk to who they want or don’t want to because it’s their adult right on their little ole self to do so!…. just this simple simplicity of being told by ANYONE including your “religion” what you can or can’t or should or shouldn’t do with some person talking to you on the street should make them pause at the very very least!…

        • ze moo

          The Believers Chapel has security guards from among their members. They also have ammo dumps in the basement of their churches.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Sounds very holy. I’ll bet their “pastor” has a nice pad too. Maybe even an offshore account or two? πŸ™‚

    • Sunny

      Wow. This video shows very clearly the control Scn has over its members. They almost answer him until security tells them to ignore. The grip is so tight on those last remaining dregs of the membership!

      • Linda Clement

        I was surprised at how many of them seemed perfectly comfortable with Xander until the security guard steered them away, after which some became instantly nervous, to say the least. I couldn’t tell if they were afraid of Xander or the guard, but one guy in particular was smiling at Xander and heading over to talk with him until the guard snagged him and mumbled something, after which he ducked his head and said, “Thank you, sir” to the guard in such a servile tone!

        • Mary Smith

          Yes I think next time it would be great if Xander confronted them closer to the parking garage so the security guards would not have any impact. If I was still in the church and he mentioned COB’s wife to me, I may have gone home and googled it. It would not have crossed my mind otherwise to care about his wife. I didn’t know who Leah was either since I don’t watch TV.

    • Mockingbird

      A lot of us never heard of Shelly Miscavige white we were in the cult. I barely knew anything about Miscavige either. A lot of us were in submission to Hubbard through his doctrine. So if you mentioned Shelly it created zero emotionally response. Now, saying COB now carries far more weight than he used to and mentioning Shelly as his wife in my opinion carries more weight.

      • Juicer77

        This ^^^
        Key To A Successful Marriage? Not so much.

        • Jimmy3

          I’m sure COB has a key to her chamber.

        • Mockingbird

          Doh !

      • Tracy Schmitz

        hi mockingbird.. just a thought.. you and others never heard of shelly when you were in? and not much about “the pope” of scientology? did you know he was married? and wasn’t shelly BEFORE she disappeared at everything and anywhere wasn’t she? i’m confused as to how members of a “religion’ don’t know their leader has a wife and what her name is? and then, where is she?..

        • Sunny

          Hi Tracy, I can tell you what I know from my experience. A person who has a position that is at the Int Base is not known or seen much around other properties. What goes on at the Int Base (including its location) are confidential, especially (oddly enough) to Sea Org members.
          I was raised in Sea Org in LA area from the age of 3 up to 32. I never heard of Shelly. Until I was sec checking a family member (of Shelly’s) who mentioned her often. Otherwise I would likely have never heard of her.
          Of course when COB was around with his entourage, she was there, but it was not like anyone would ever be politely introduced to the people he was with. Everyone was beneath him and you were expected to know who was who and it was ethics for you if you batted an eye.
          I doubt 5% of Scientlogists and Sea Org members would be able to point her out in a crowd.

          • Tracy Schmitz

            wow, thanks for your reply sunny and wow, that is shocking information!… amazing in a bad way….thanks agian..

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Seriously? other scientologists do not know where Int Base is?

            • Sunny

              Correct.

            • richelieu jr

              They call it “Over the Rainbow” and it is suffused with mystery and power.

              They are right about there being a munchkin and a witch and a little half-man playing god behind a curtain, so there is that.

          • richelieu jr

            “I doubt 5% of Scientlogists and Sea Org members would be able to point her out in a crowd.”

            Well said, @Sunny, though I feel obliged to point out that this is normal as Shelley hasn’t been near a crowd in uears, and probably never will again. Anne seeing her in one would be mistaken, lying or hallucinating (otherwise said, a Scientologist).

            It is also worth noting that 5% of SeaOrg members and Sciolons wouldn’t make much of a crowd in and of themselves.

            It would certainly be possible to find Waldo (Wally) amongst them- especially if he wasn’t white or had his hands in his own pockets.

        • Simi Valley

          The lowly members who are still in (and not under the radar) feel that it’s none of their business to know such details about the leader. Not that SO members have social lives anyway where they would appear together as a couple because that doesn’t happen.

        • PickAnotherID

          Basic rules of $cientology: Never let the thumb know what any of the fingers are doing. Never let a finger know what the other fingers are doing. Never let a hand know when a foot has taken a bullet.

          • richelieu jr

            .. And never let that hand get anywhere near your private parts or anyone else’s.

        • Mockingbird

          The way events worked was not like the Oscars with a red carpet. Miscavige controlled a stage presentation that was taped. The tapes were sent to class V orgs, commonly called orgs or churches in the cult.

          At my local org I would sit with other cult members and watch the videos from international management. We had one for Hubbard’s birthday, one for Dianetics anniversary, one for the Freewinds anniversary etc.

          Most Scientologists didn’t ever learn anything about the families of management or the rules the upper Sea Org members live under.

          The closer you are to Flag, an advanced org or LA the more you usually know about those things. Many people just focused on their own bridge progress and their local org. While I was on staff all I cared about was our org growing.

        • Mockingbird

          Also we were fed a fiction that the watch dog committee was in charge and made to believe Miscavige reported to seniors like a COB in a company would. We were fed a book on the command channels in Scientology that pretended Scientology had a system of checks and balances with many executives.

          • richelieu jr

            I think the IRS was given that same book.

            • Mockingbird

              Yes, along with a mountain of lies.

      • Mockingbird
    • Graham

      Amazing how many of them look helpless and turn to the security guard for advice on what to think and how/whether to answer the question. They really do look like brainwashed sheeple. So much for being masters of communication.

      • richelieu jr

        Yeah,my ou have to fall pretty low when you are taking advice from a private security guard. In the real “wog” world, those guys are basically useful as horrible warnings and examples than founts of wisdom.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      isn’t it common (overflowing sarcasm here!) for ALL religions to have goons outside their entrance warning it’s members “don’t talk to this guy, don’t answer him, ignore him, etcetera, etcetera!” and those who are members in this video don’t get that it’s NOT normal for this to happen? or that someone is telling them to do so?

      • Ben Franklin

        The picture the Church paints of it’s critics is what make it’s members think it is normal. Remember the church tells its followers that the people protesting are criminal, hatefull, and most despicable beings on the planet, that the only thing they do is harass people. That is why members seem to have no problem with, or don’t see anything wrong with church goons dealing with protesters the way they do.

    • Mark Allen Shreck

      Have to say, I was surprised of the amount of “foot traffic”. Not sure the actual time that this 4 minute video represents, but there were at least 53 people, some were obviously staff but still more than I would have expected. IMHO, when comparing the question with political elections, not really a shock that most either didn’t know or didn’t care…

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Wow.

    • It’s Me!

      Some great reads there using COB’s wife! That was Leah Corea (of Chick Corea) that did a double take at 00:49, pretty sure that was Chris Alexander (of Rick & Minty) that was “not interested” at 00:58.

  • Tony Ortega

    TX Lawyer thoughts added to the post.

    • Juicer77

      Any thoughts on if this indicates a likely settlement? Is it likely that the Rathbuns would continue to let the courts kick the ball around if they are just going to settle?

      • Observer

        I don’t think the Rathbuns can stop the courts from considering anything.

        • Juicer77

          What I mean is, if they settle the whole process stops immediately.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        “No” and “who can tell” is my amateur response.

        • Baby

          I concur

      • TonyOrtega

        TX Lawyer has already explained why he thinks a settlement is unlikely at this point. Miscavige would want to see whether his petition is taken up by the court. There’s no benefit to him now to settle as long as he’s waiting to see if the court is going to knock this case out of existence.

        • Eivol Ekdal

          I concur πŸ˜‰

      • TX Lawyer

        It is indicative of further litigation, not a sign of settlement.

  • Baby

    f5

    • joan nieman

      Good find.

      • Baby

        I know Joanie.. I kept snoopin..ha

  • Mockingbird

    Good byzantine legal twists filled day Bunkeroos.

    I have some ideas on the legal choices in the case, but honestly feel at this point the privacy of the Rathbun family exceeds the value of disclosure. It’s not useful for exposing Scientology or helping anyone so I am going to leave it be, for the moment. I hope the Rathbun’s are not harassed any further and get some compensation for their troubles.

    • Kim O’Brien

      what harassment ? They obviously either made the whole thing up …or it really was not all that bad and they just over stated . All that ” evidence” …just goes poof now . It is like it never even happened .

      • Mockingbird

        The truth is the truth no matter what Scientology says.

        • Kim O’Brien

          they don’t have to say anything , Monique and Marty dropped it . They were winning …and they dropped it . Not settled …quit . Scientology does not need to say a word , or be held accountable for anything ( when it comes to this example ) It drives me nuts …but it’s true. Legally …nothing ever really happened . It was all …shall we say …a misunderstanding between 2 old friends . ( cuz that is what they will say …ugh ) I am SO putting my emotional eggs in the Laura lawsuit case / basket. Someone has got to be victorious .

          • daisy

            Emotional eggs, I like that.

  • Supper Powers

    First shift break.

    Bob are on the nest and one of two has hatched.
    http://dceaglecam.eagles.org/#

    • Juicer77

      Mmmm… breakfast. Don’t look right now if you’re squeamish.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      What is that they are ripping up and eating?

      • Supper Powers

        A fish.

        • TheMirrorThetan

          Thanks. This is great.

      • Ben Franklin

        American enemy

    • Baby

      So cool Supper.. wow great shots..

    • Jimmy3

      Who gets to eat them?

      • Ben Franklin

        You can’t eat them unless you want to become a property of the Feds.

    • Frodis73

      So cool!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Mr. President and The First Lady are DC’s couple of the moment. We’re all excited for them around here. They’re getting online front page coverage on WaPo and everything.

      • gtsix

        This is better than the snow owl coverage. My office has this up on our big screen in the lobby. Cmon eaglets.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I was in love with the snowy owl. I was so sorry to hear about his/her ultimate fate.

          I hope these little babes make it. This couple raised one successfully already, so talons crossed they can do it again. Keeping Up with the Eaglets is much better reality TV than Keeping Up with the Kardashians.

          • gtsix

            Me too. I had to run downtown that day, so I walked by the Post building and chuckled as people stood in line to take photos of the owl. It was very pretty.

            Little eaglet is fuzzy πŸ™‚

      • Observer

        refresh.

        EDIT: she is serious.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Would Elizabeth’s head explode if I revealed that these eagles are illegal aliens who should be deported back to Cloud Cuckoo Land? (And no, we have not seen a birth certificate for either of them– long OR short form.)

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          What?! She can’t be. The comments on her post–an exchange b/n her and a friend–suggest it’s tongue in cheek.

        • Kim O’Brien

          Trump voter

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          But what’s funnier-slash-sadder to me is the disclaimer the Foundation felt it had to put on the eagle cam web page. Do people not know how nature works?

          “This is a wild eagle nest and anything can happen. While we hope that two healthy juvenile eagles will end up fledgling from the nest this summer, things like sibling rivalry, predators, and natural disaster can affect this eagle family and may be difficult to watch.”

          • Juicer77

            Wait ’til one eaglet pushes the other out, or eats it. Probably a wise comment to post esp with so many kids watching. Nature is a heartless bitch sometimes. But then so am I. πŸ˜‰

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              True, they are encouraging teachers to show the live feed to their classes.

              We had a pair of mourning doves nest in our upper porch a few years ago, when my bf was a freelancer. He could see them from his home office window. Which he thought was neat, at first. After the last carcass hit the porch and the couple vacated, he cleared out the nest and closed off the spot. He was like, “I can’t take this again next year.” I don’t blame him.

            • Juicer77

              Why are we ruining everybody’s fun? πŸ˜‰ Stop being a sensible adult and let’s go TP the teacher’s lounge.

    • ze moo
    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Who needs rabbit holes when you can have an eagle cam?

      Thank you for this– Mrs. D is going to LOVE it!

    • Juicer77

      FUZZY! TOP HEAVY! SQUEEEEEEEEEEEE!

  • Ben Franklin

    It is now a case of Goliath beating up on unarmed David. David is hoping that Goliath will have mercy and withdraw form the fight, or that a good Samaritan will sympathize, and say enough is enough, this is not a fair fight, and comes to the rescue of David. Only time will tell what the final outcome will be in this case.

  • Jeb Burton

    Thanks for the explanation TX lawyer. Would love to know your theory on why they would bail out of the case in the first place. Is it just a possible settlement or something deeper?

    • TX Lawyer

      This is not a bail out move. Mrs. Rathbun still gets the opportunity to respond to the petition for review if the Texas Supreme Court wants to move forward with the case.

      • Supper Powers

        Can you please answer my question at the top? I’m glad to se you.

        • TX Lawyer

          What question would that be?

          • Supper Powers

            Can the state intervene at this juncture? Ive seen them do it in case in FL, but it’s my only frame of reference, so thanks for any insight.

            • TX Lawyer

              The A.G.’s office could file a friend-of-the-court brief, but that’s all (and there is no realistic possibility they will even do that in this case). It’s a private dispute between private litigants.

            • Supper Powers

              Thank you.

  • ze moo

    I look forward to a TX Supreme Court slap down of the ‘it’s a first amendment case’ argument. Given the unanimous slap down from the Appeals court, going to the state supreme court smells of a major foot bullet. $cientology is a business, not a religion. Except when tax exemption comes into play.

    • Observer

      I bet ol’ Wally Jefferson is safepointing his former colleagues like there’s no tomorrow (for a handsome fee, of course.)

    • Ben Franklin

      The problem in the United States, though, is the fact that religion is not defined by the Courts, the definition of religion is left to the people who practice the particular religion. The Courts have been reluctant to define what constitutes religious activities.

      • ze moo

        The appeals court and trial judge have given good decisions on the ‘religiousosity’ of the actions the clampire took. Jefferson may barked up the wrong tree.

        • Ben Franklin

          The trial judge did, but, it is the Supreme Court of the United States that has been reluctant in delving into matters of religion.

  • Supper Powers

    Scott P, could the state intervene the lawsuit?

  • Observer

    My favorite snark article about Ron Sr.’s book so far. Apologies if it’s a repost.

    http://popdust.com/2016/03/16/david-miscavige-dad-scientology-expose/#slide1

  • Ella Raitch

    So just read degraded being….. How likely is the conversation depicted, in real life? Or is this parody taken to an extreme?

    • Techie

      Ella, guess you meant Regraded Being from Mark Rinder’s blog this morning. It is exaggerated for comic effect but the thought process is for real. Imagine really really really believing in the Easter bunny – in the Midwest it is easy because there are a lot of real bunnies out in the yard in springtime. So as a true believer in the Easter bunny you have to think they are hiding eggs for you – but they are out a bit early this year, well they must be hiding the chocolate, real eggs would be very rotten after a week out there – well, honestly you never see them carrying anything. Hm. But maybe they only do that at night..And really they don’t walk erect, it would be very hard for them to carry eggs around. But maybe the Easter Bunny is a special bunny who can walk erect somehow. Like the picture in the grocery store ad. So it gets hard for the True Believer, even if they are only 6 or so, real information does not match the belief. I can hear the doubters now shouting “of course the True Believer could obviously see that there is no Easter Bunny”. but wait a minute. On the one hand you have obvious but boring ordinary facts. Real life. On the other hand you have the possibility to break free of the surly bounds of time and space, to transcend facts, to get some free Easter candy. One side of your brain sees the little bunnies squeezing under the fences with no candy, the other side remembers the adults that you trust for every detail of your young life, telling you in all seriousness that the Easter Bunny will do great things if you only believe. How to resolve such a conundrum? It literally makes your brain hurt. To stay in the group, to go on hoping you will one day reap the benefits promised, to go on believing you have to twist the facts into an ever more grandiose spiral of excuses, inventions and self-deception. They call it “cognitive dissonance”. Instead of rejecting nonsense you force it to make sense by injecting more nonsense. That is what the ever more fantastical panels in the strip show, as the true believer spins a fantasy to explain the fantasy that is flawed by a bitter bit of real life. To survive on pure chocolate makes one very sick, as anyone who has eaten a whole chocolate bunny can attest. But that is the dream, may the dreamers wake before they suffer all the consequences.

      • Everyone knows that Scientologists don’t worship rabbits.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Beautifully put, Techie! Thank you for this analogy.

      • Ella Raitch

        Thanks for the response… And yes, “degraded being’ was a result of disqussing on my phone late at night after a 5 hour drive.

        I did think it was exaggerated for effect but man…. With Scientology you can never be too sure (apologies for more typos but I can’t see what I’m typing on this tiny screen!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Somebody at OSA loves me!!!

    This was posted yesterday on a two day old thread by some completely random two-time only poster (using a familiar name) who finds my pontifications pretentious. How can I not feel very, very special? Not particularly shattered or confronted, mind you, but definitely special. Makes me feel I need to be posting more– even if only for the pretentiousness.

    (Refresh!)

    • Supper Powers

      Ha! Pontificate away!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        My response, for the record:

        EDIT:
        N/M. I was just ‘whelmed by all the specialness and attached the wrong screen grab…

        (Refresh!)

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        I meant to say, this is my response, for the record:

        • Juicer77

          LOL

    • Rasha

      “…I don’t think the rest of the group needs to see this….”

      …and you are being pretentious. Delicious.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Pretentious? MOI???

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        They don’t need to see this but I’ll put it here in this public place. SMH The troll quality is really tanking these days.

    • Jazzlover will rue the day they attacked you

    • Victor
    • Observer

      I for one enjoy your pontifications.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Seconded.

      • Robert Eckert

        The phrase is “I, for one, welcome our new pontificating overlords.”

        • Observer

          Oh, that’s much better!

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          That sounds… formidable.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        You are Lord, Observer.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      This flaccid flan troll is junior varsity.

    • Frodis73

      Lol, that guy is a dick. Flunk.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Then again, he/she is just doing their job. Of being a dick.

    • Tsk, that’s “rein in” as in horses, not “reign in” as in Queenie.

      Just don’t call people, who should have used five minutes due diligence to keep predator groups out of schools (part of their job, I thought), “brain dead” because apparently that is genocide against everyone’s Snowflake Safe Space. (Sunday, while I was dealing with a failing router.)

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        They apparently have progressed to spell-check (“exceedingly,” “pretentious,” and “pontifications” are spot on), but have yet to find a homophone-check.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Wow. That was some exchange.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              I have found it works best to link to the final comment in the thread, then ask people to scroll up to the beginning.

            • Frodis73

              TY! I knew there was a trick, but I couldn’t remember what it was…I’ll probably forget again too. lol

            • I did that for the first link I posted, but it left out the top of the thread, and posts in the middle.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              I wondered about that.

              Disqus. Musta been developed by a WISE-run company.

            • Tempting to write a browser plug-in that adds a “BAM!” button that opens all the comments in a Disqus thread in one shot. Disqus would hate it β€” added spice!

            • richelieu jr

              Problem is it would only say “AM”, “BA” or M!” at any one time.

            • richelieu jr

              I’m actually quite u clearly on this process and would like to learn how…

            • richelieu jr

              I bet that guy is a blast at parties and in bed.

              (And yes, I’d bet my own left nut that JL is a guy. Seems like the type who will mans plain why his joke was actually funny until 3am and he is the only one left at what used to be a party.)

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            whoa!

          • Nat-leficent

            I’ve had the thought several times that “jazzlover” uses the “Jazzlover” troll himself to seem more important and garner sympathy. No proof — just a thought. The original jazzlover never said anything interesting or controversial enough to warrant himself an imposter imo but trolls are not known for their logic, so I chalked it up to one of those “I’ll never know for sure” things.

            • Remember when fly had 2 different accounts trying to be him? Why pick on fly? I know fly didn’t do that.

              And wasn’t the first JL troll discovered to be another account that they forgot to change their name on —the display name was JL but when you hovered over it showed a different name. Then when they got called out on that, there was the creation of a separate JL troll. Now another new one. It’s just weird and I can’t really picture JL doing that to themselves.

            • Nat-leficent

              No proof — just a thought.

            • Thoughts are always good to put out there!! We know from experience, that often many of us have had suspicions about something but we never expressed them to anyone—until things got too far!

            • Nat-leficent

              Love you guys, seriously.

            • Back atcha!

            • daisy

              At the very real risk of offending JL. He does not understand that he doesn’t admit when he is wrong and will defend any point he makes until the end. To be his sock he would have to realize that.

            • I think I recognize a style from way-back, but I’ll leave it at that. Speculation, right or wrong, serves no one β€” except Linda Hamel.

            • Nat-leficent

              True.

            • ithilien

              Thats whats fun about anonomous boards!!

        • Techie

          It is really too bad, so many otherwise interesting self-published works suffer from the lack of an editor who knows the difference between “to” and “too”, “bridle” and “bridal”, “tack” and “tact” etc. I suppose you could make an algorithm that makes a suggestion based on word counts of nearby words in other works. But it would probably be just as unintentionally hilarious as Google Translate.

          • April

            This morning, I asked my son if he wanted puffed wheat cereal for breakfast. He responded, “weed cereal? why would I want to eat weeds?”

            • joan nieman

              When my son was little, he got up one morning and came into the kitchen. He asked me what I was doing. I replied “Baking”. He started looking around in lower cupboards and the the fridge. I asked him what he was doing. He replied” Looking for the bacon”!

        • richelieu jr

          That’s because the are all a bunch of homophone-phobes.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Triple D – congratulations on getting a reply from OSA!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Is it pretentious for me to think that somebody is butthurt over the off-hand comment “These people have little else to do these days?”

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Or else maybe they didn’t like that you pointed out they have so few members any more?

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            What… that, too?

          • Frodis73

            That is a good bet, they seem to be sensitive to that…it’s becoming harder and harder to hide their shrinking I bet.

    • Steve Juts
    • Snuzey

      You’ve reminded me of a time maybe a couple of years ago when I called Krustie Alley a twat, and a week later someone tried to call me out on the gender specific-ness of that insult, saying I’m damaging the fight for equality by using female genitalia in a degrading fashion. I laughed to myself heartily and thought the poster was a prick.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Such an ugly word. So glad that there was someone officious enough to point that out to you.

        • Snuzey

          I’ve never used it since I got that telling off…… cough….. honest.

      • As far as I’m concerned twat is applicable to men and women.

      • gtsix

        Well.. back in the 90’s, I was volunteering as security for the DC Dyke March, and we were named the “Twat Team”. The t-shirts were AWESOME, but sadly my one night stand stole mine.

      • ithilien

        It WAS using female genetalia as an insult. If youre a woman, you were insulting yourself

    • Juicer77

      You portentious pontificator, you! πŸ˜‰ I just love how they comment on threads that are months or even years old. Confront, my lily white posterior! Or they could remove the comma. Whichever.

    • So glad I told that ding dong to “Fuck off” last night!! Let me say it again JL-impersonator FUCK OFF!!!

      May they rue the day they try to mess with the bunker!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        So, post #2 was directed to you? I could never find it.

        • I got no reply from them last night. They popped in last night when OUR JL was conversing with someone. If I got a direct reply from that asshat, I’d do the same as you, post it here, and reply with a second FUCK OFF! πŸ™‚

        • MM

          “I could never find it.”

          That would be because – Surprise! – they deleted it πŸ™‚

          F5 for how that particular thread unfolded yesterday (sequentially, w/o the Disqus tree structure).

          Also, notice with whom capital-J Jazzlover tag-teamed on that one, and who just below replied to you with a jazz video when you complained about capital-J Jazzlover’s comment to you πŸ˜€

          • LongtimeLurker

            Dear (possible) OSA,

            Wow.

            You have been trained to confront and shatter.

            You probably believe you are the best of the best.

            And yet you can’t even properly imitate an internet commenter.

            Okay, sure, Disqus forced you to go capital J, but you didn’t even try to match the user’s image?

            And you didn’t bother reading up on jazzlover at all.

            He would never say “group” and I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t bother posting on an old thread to save someone’s feelings.

            You suck at your job.

            No…listen…seriously…

            For real…you really REALLY suck at it.

            We’re laughing at you.

            Stop it, you’re just embarrassing yourself.

            • Madison KinSmed

              Lurker! Hi! So happy to see you! Hope all is well!

            • daisy

              MKS – meant to say hi yesterday. Nice to see some of my favorite people these last couple of days.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Better now.

              How you doin’?

            • Madison KinSmed

              I’m glad you’re better! I’m doing well – had a nice little fight on Twitter re sciento for a couple weeks and thought of your wordsmithing. 😎 Now, I’m just reading when I can – RL is demanding, in a good way. See ya’ around!

            • LongtimeLurker

              Did I reply? Disqus is confusing.

              If not – Happy to see you too.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            It’s like it all doesn’t quite fit together. It’s like… Scientology.

            • MM

              “It’s like it all doesn’t quite fit together”

              Funny you should mention that your capital-J Jazzlover could spell correctly, but seemed in need of a “homophone-check”…

              Remember ‘Jill Barras’, the I’m-not-a-Scientologist and supposed ‘Doctor’ who seemed to harbor quite the grudge against the real ‘jazzlover’? What was it again that she tripped over / that got her found out?

              ‘HIPPA’ vs. ‘HIPAA’ πŸ˜€

    • Just in time for Thursday 2pm, I wager!

      Beyond sad.

    • Fred G. Haseney

      With so little to do, OSA is keeping tabs on millions of ex-members! And as a devoted Sea Org member, working so hard to impress David “Ruthless” Miscavige, “Jazzlover” attempted to knock you off the perch he/she/it/OSA envisions that you sit on. Low blow, “Jazzlover.” Douglas D. Douglas is an avid, spot-on contributor to Tony Ortega’s Underground Bunker. When “Jazzlover” pointed fingers at Douglas D. Douglas, all he/she/it/OSA did was point fingers at itself. Footbullet anyone?

    • Mooser42001

      “Could you please reign in your pontifications”

      I second that, may you please “reign in your pontifications” for as long as you like! And long may you reign.

    • ithilien

      All of this commentary aside, i dont think future actions should be telegraphed to a very deep pocket-ed and desperate group, or else it should be limited as much as possible. One can be noble, or one can be expedient.

  • JOE BLOW

    So my question, and I’m sorry if this has already been discussed….but could this possibly be some kind of strategic move that indicates that they still want to win the case? Or…when she fired her lawyers she was in a state of mind, where she just said fuck it….I can’t stand it anymore, and now she’s regrouping after now having regretted that decision? Or…are these all now pre-arranged moves set out in a back room settlement they’ve already made with the cult?

    • Observer

      Nobody knows. We may never know. I just hope she doesn’t get screwed out of the recompense she deserves.

      • JOE BLOW

        Amen to that. If this was a TV movie and I was the writer, the next scene would be the judges of the court convening in private and agreeing that, Hell no, there may have been some very grave injustices by this organization and we’re going to allow it to play out and making the decision that allows that. And the teaser for the next episode….Courtroom scene, “Order in the court!” “In regard of the matter of Monique Rathbun versus the COS….cut….tune in next week.

        • Juicer77

          I like the Chuck-Norris-kicks-in-the-door-just-before-the-gavel-bangs scenario that J3 wrote.

          • JOE BLOW

            Yeah that’s a great one. How about this one: Remember in I forgot which Godfather movie it was but the one where Al Pacino arranges the removal of all his enemies simultaneously…the corrupt vatican official on the stairs….the mafia kingpin with the pen and others….

            Well in our story while Chuck knocks down the door of the court…..chinese stars flying furiously, while somewhere in Clearwater……

            But of course in our story all of the bad guys are arrested and receive their rightful day in court. After which the unanimous verdict is an eternity in hell.

            • LongtimeLurker

              F5 (caution – Italian on Italian violence)
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfbYp9oaIT8

            • daisy

              The best scene in the best movie EVER

            • JOE BLOW

              Great scene. Thanks!

            • Kim O’Brien

              pssst ….i nailed it . got the raise , got the bonus structure πŸ™‚

            • LongtimeLurker

              You so cool!

              Well done.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            You mean Original OT VII Chuck Norris, former Scientologist? That one?

  • SCIENTOLOGY IS A DEAD END ROAD

    Karen is the most tell-it-like-is whistleblower of all of them.
    I applaud her.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      I join in your applause. This was an excellent interview.

    • Newiga

      Karen is a hero in my book. I admire her energy and courage deeply. She’s been through so much yet still manages to be an on-point, effective critic/whistle-blower and hasn’t lost that beautiful smile. Thank you for everything you do, Karen!

  • Lighthouse

    Another great interview Karen and Allison!

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    My theory is that the Rathbuns just want to get on with their lives, so they agreed to a big settlement which included enough cash to compensate the legal team, but required them to be dismissed.

    As an ex, I can say that getting on with the rest of your life is important.

    • Juicer77

      Discussion downthread about this. Settlement would mean the whole process stops immediately, and this latest move indicates no settlement is in place. It’s just a placeholder to see what happens in the higher court.
      As to getting on with their lives, I hope they do so as soon as they can, and are able to bring up their child in peace.

    • Tony Ortega

      If they’d wanted a settlement and to get on with their lives, they could have had Ray Jeffrey do that for them. Instead, they fired Ray and are now having to submit their own filings to the church, without counsel. And as TX Lawyer has explained, with Miscavige pushing for this appeal, there’s not only no sign of a deal happening, there’s also no motivation for one as far as Miscavige is concerned.

      • ze moo

        After appealing to the TX Supreme Court the CO$ can and IMHO probably go the US Supreme Court if things don’t go their way. There is a lot of money that can delay and perhaps derail Mossies case. Except what is left of Mossies case? The clampire has no incentive to settle unless the TX Supreme shoots down the CO$ argument.

        Then the matter becomes how expensive is it to go the US Supreme Court and will a settlement then be offered. Except that the Rathbuns have seemingly thrown in towel and there doesn’t seem to be any incentive at all to end the case. The firing of the Rathbun legal team at that point in time is just too perplexing to understand.

        The clampire really wants to overturn the lower courts decision on $cieno land being a money making enterprise. In the Rathbun matter, they are screwed. The trial judge and Appeals Court saw through the sham and ruled properly. The decision makes any present or future ‘noisy investigation’ very problematic for the clams. That is what DM et al are trying to overturn. Plus, it is, as always, an opportunity to fund raise.

        It is always about the money, except when it is about fealty to DM. That fear is what DM wants to have enshrined in law.

  • joan nieman

    I enjoyed Karen’s interview so very much.Karen has such a passion you can feel and it holds you spellbound until the last word. I believe, through her u tube videos and other inputs, that she is doing a great service in speaking out on the horrors of the cherch. Thank you once again Karen.

    • Ben Franklin

      Karen has a great talent in explaining Scientology Lingo and Madness in such a way that it becomes very easy to understand even for those who might not be familiar with Scientology

  • Supper Powers

    Marty is just irking me as the day goes on. Even when something is handed to him, by Ray Jeffrey no less, he still has to do something to fuck it up. I’m begging to think he does not want resolution on a deeply emotional level; that he thrives on conflict. And uses it as a way to make himself feel intellectually superior. If he went with the program, what a pleeb he would be! Yeah, I know my armchair psychological interpretation borders on offensive. I realize I don’t have enough information to make conclusions. I just can’t understand in anyway why they are doing this. It’s their choice and their life, sure. But then Marty should stop engaging film makers, doing radio interviews, and writing books about it because it’s an unwritten invitation for the public to be involved. I hope this is the last we hear from the Rathbuns and they go quietly live a happy and fulfilling life without anymore interviews or anymore public blog posts about CoS or anymore books Oracle insists we purchase.

    • Ben Franklin

      Someone got to be the warrior that slays the dragon. Let’s put it that way.

      • Supper Powers

        Right now he appears to be tilting at windmills.

        • Ben Franklin

          Yep. He probably thinks that he is the one that can take this beast down. Only time will tell.

        • Ben Franklin

          Something to do with “walking the middle path” is my best guess. In other words: “I am the only rational person, everyone is my enemy or they just don’t understand me”

          • Juicer77

            Somehow I doubt it. Given his personality style, history etc. he is more likely to take a no-holds-barred approach. Part of me wonders if he is impatient with the incredibly slow legal process, since he knows the Co$ delays on purpose, and is ready to unleash some serious criminal details on the Dear Leader. But doing so without legal representation is basically negotiation suicide. Purely my speculation. Nothing to see here.

            • Ben Franklin

              Reason I made that comment is because of what he said about wanting to take the middle path because he was complaining that critics were just as bad as the church. He was trying to argue that what the critics were just as guilty as the church in not being open minded. His perceived solution was to retreat in an Island where he saw both the church and the critics as his enemies. You never know, maybe he likes the Church now, more than he likes it’s critics

            • Juicer77

              TY for the clarification. It’s a valid point about being in the middle, and such a rarified path would suit his own estimation of himself. Wow, I sound down on him. I guess as someone who gets in her own way too often, I hate to see someone else do it so determinedly!

            • JaxNGold

              That’s incredible. Did Marty actually say that? Critics just as bad as $cientology?? And we’re not open minded about $ci? What the hell should we be “open minded” about — the abuse, the child & adult slave labor, the fact that Hubbard was a liar and conman, the mind control, trying to destroy people…etc etc ?! Wow.

            • Ben Franklin

              See this article from Marty’s site: https://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/the-great-middle-path-revisited/

              There are other articles where he has complained about critics of Scientology. Unfortunately, I just don’t have enough time to dig them out right now

            • JaxNGold

              Will do. Thanks for the link. I only read his blog on a few occasions.

            • Ben Franklin

              I used to, but nowadays I don’t have a lot of interest in reading his writings because it comes across to me as someone desperately trying to either become a guru or prove some sort of a higher level of enlightenment.

        • They might be giants.

    • Juicer77

      PLEASE see Louis Theroux’s movie and tell me what you think. Pretty please!

      • Supper Powers

        I’m willing to be wrong about him. I want to be, in fact. So if that film can shed some light, I’m open to it. Plus, Louis Theroux.

        • Juicer77

          *chuckling gleefully* All I’m saying is, you need to see this movie and form your own opinion. Plus, as you said, Mr. Theroux.
          What you wrote above is exactly how many of us feel.

      • Tony Ortega

        I enjoyed the movie a great deal. I thought Marty was great in it. But I also think you can watch that film and think that Marty came off like a total chucklehead. Especially when he goes nuts on Louis over a simple, and quite justifiable, question. I wonder if Marty will be at the Tribeca premiere.

        • Juicer77

          Perhaps my wording was faulty. I found the movie a fascinating portrait of someone who is manipulative, self-centered and apt to shoot his mouth off. And I’m not talking about DM.

          • Supper Powers

            I figured it would just confirm what many of us suspected of him. How unfortunate.

            • Juicer77

              I am just so eager to discuss this film with the Bunkeroos. You see someone fighting his own tendency to be brash and hot-headed, all the while trying to be a slick negotiator and control everything. Fascinating! I’ll shut up now because I’m sure TO is hoping I’ll shut my yap until he writes in detail about it after the Tribeca premiere.

            • Supper Powers

              I read a high profile mag review. It’s a shame. He is troubled me despite CoS.

            • Juicer77

              Which I guess is why I’m worried both for him (chucklehead and all) and his wife and kid. Darn this hard shell/soft center of mine.

            • Supper Powers

              Exactly. My thoughts, too. You know an allele is an expression of a gene when it gets “turned on”. Sometimes it never gets turned on. It’s like Marty was way messed up (the gene) before CoS, but CoS encouraged the worst part of him to be expressed. That, I empathize with.

            • Juicer77

              Really good metaphor.

            • It not the first time that he’s come off as having a flip-flop in his head.

              The Tip of the Spear December 18, 2012, Joel Sappell, Los Angeles Magazine, p.6

              I have compassion for the mess left inside his head by his experiences, but I wish he’d come to terms with that Scientology was just as bad during “his watch” as at any other times.

            • Juicer77

              That is probably too much for his psyche to handle. JMO.

        • I haven’t heard “chucklehead” used in years. Now I gotta go find someone to call that.

          • Juicer77

            Oh, EDDIE!!!!!! (Are you feeling better?) πŸ™‚

            • I think I’m clear of phone calls with Edward today, as it’s close to when he leaves for work now!! No, I’m not.

            • Juicer77

              Aw, crap!

            • Well, getting wrenched like that isn’t going to heal quick. It would have been worth it, had it somehow broke my jaw, then I could
              have got my dentist covered by medicare!! Hmmmm……now considering
              purposely going down the steps but with my luck I’d break my back or
              ribs. DAMMIT!

            • Frodis73

              I always think of this when I hear your Eddie stories. πŸ˜€

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9K6iV2yUCw

            • you know, i have never been able to watch that all the way thru because of James πŸ™

            • Frodis73

              Aww, yeah, he did love rocky. I did get to do one midnight show with him once, it was the summer before he died actually and we had tons of fun. I was listening to the songs yesterday and I’d like to go see it again. James would want you to watch it, but I totally understand.

            • I can’t watch Psycho again either. I told ya that before I’m sure. Last time I saw him was at Janice’s and he was having a Psycho movie fest and kept rewinding Norman saying ‘Mother blood, look mother blood’ over and over and he was laughing. Janice was about at her wit’s ends worried he was gonna break the tape cuz she had rented them!

            • Frodis73

              Lol! So him. I had rented a film from blockbuster for him that he needed for some last big assignment. He ended up returning it late for some reason. I fought with blockbuster over that after he died. They were such dicks about it, I refused to pay them.

      • Of course, Marty could have changed since the making of the movie. He’s been going thru years of getting out of scientology and for some people that’s not an easy road, but we’ve seen his thoughts evolve in the past few years.

        • Juicer77

          Sorry, read my comments downthread.

    • You left out the part that not only are we obliged to purchase the books, Oracle demands we post positive reviews on amazon, cuz you know she’s Marty’s biggest cheerleader and oh my fuck while typing this I just had a terrible weird thought. Could Oracle BE Marty?! Dun dun DUN!!

      • Ben Franklin

        My advise to him would be to stick with what made him famous, otherwise people won’t care much about anything else he does.

        • Juicer77

          Ooooh, burn.

          • Ben Franklin

            Marty has to remember that he is only famous because of his involvement with and speaking out against Scientology. Not that many people care about, or are interested in what he writes, says, or does that is not related to Scientology. That is the truth that Marty might not want to hear or confront.

      • Jenny Griffith

        I’ve thought that all along. Every post by oracle, seems to be how great marty is. Even old ones. I think Marty had a few sock puppets. He used to do this at WWP.

        • Yeah, Oracle is lockstep with him. Perhaps because they share the same feet.

          • Beth

            LOL

      • Snuzey

        I’ve been on the other end of Oracle’s rants, because I dared to be less than fan-girling Marty. It was both perplexing, slightly sinister yet hilarious… I did wonder if it was actually Marty, so this made me laugh! If it isn’t he has one hell of a good stalker!

        • Oracle “sees all, knows all”. I mean that would fit how he probably perceives his own personality. Part of him is still very egocentric from scientology, which would explain the “Give me a M! Give me a A! Give me a R! Give me a T! Give me a Y! What’s that spell? ORACLE! What’s that spell? ORACLE!”

          He is, as many have said before, damaged from spending most of his adult life not only in the prison of belief; but many of those years living within the prison of belief’s super duper paranoia bubble of miscavige’s. He has quite a few layers to try to peel off to find his core. What’s his core? The damaged 18 year old who joined scientology. I wouldn’t want to spend any time in his mind and I truly hope he’s getting help for dealing with everything. Mosey is the best thing that’s ever happened to him. With their son, I hope that helps him want to help himself even more.

          • Snuzey

            Couldn’t agree more. πŸ™‚ I just hope Oracle isn’t Marty otherwise he’s still got a long way to go… We are all going to get such an Oracle-bashing if she sees this!! Haha!!

            • Oracle would rue the day attempting to bash us bunkerites!

            • Bernie

              Oracle is female. She was offended by someone I know about four years ago, tried to hurt him through legal channels and did not succeed. She would post on Marty’s blog and go on and on and on, making me wonder whether she was drunk.

      • Observer

        Oracle claimed to be a friend of Karen a couple of years ago when she ventured over here to chastise Tony for daring to use a shoop to memorialize some of Scientology’s victims (Alexander in particular). That’s all I know beyond the nearly-Barbara-Schwarz-level of adoration she displays toward Marty (the real Marty).

        • I remember when they posted here, and then IIRC got banned. And I remember that shoop too!!

          • Observer

            Oracle is a fairly nasty piece of work, at least to those who don’t revere Lafayette. Say, wouldn’t that make her…a bigot?!

        • Frodis73

          I too have wondered if Oracle was Barbara at times. Both of them are unhinged, but Barbara is a bit more so.

      • Chee Chalker

        It’s fascinating how much this cult can damage a person (Oracle) mentally, while others survive and get stronger (Chris Shelton, Karen de la C, Mike, Headleys, etc)

        • Just like trauma in life, without a church involved. For example, 10 different people could have had childhoods like mine (I hope to fuck not!) and all 10 of us would cope/handle/deal with it differently. People who’ve been in a random terrorist attack, some people deal with it as well as you could hope; but others are traumatized for years afterwards.

          It doesn’t really depend on your basic life foundation either. Everyone is different and everyone reacts different. And when it comes to healing the mind; that’s the hardest muscle in your body to try to ‘heal’ and/or change.

    • Graham

      “Marty should stop engaging film makers” Does he rue Theroux I wonder?

      • You mean Therue?

      • Chee Chalker

        Yukka yukka. Pun of the day!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I think he is very damaged by his decades in the cult. I hope he heals and that he and Monique and their baby find peace.

    • If only… but you’re right. Marty is addicted to his very small spotlight. One way or another, he is going to step back into it, and demand that everyone pays attention to him.

    • Mooser42001

      Did you see the latest post on Marty’s blog? Marty is tired of the “culture of complaint”.

      • Supper Powers

        I’m not that culturally refined, so no.

  • Rasha

    O/T EagleCam… Momma just got up, tore off some fish, and fed the baby, with the Dad standing guard right behind. This is one family that will NOT be split up before the outside party is desperately thrashed, if not vanquished. Very heart. Much inspire.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Ooh! Ooh!

      Another feeding going on RIGHT NOW!

      http://dceaglecam.eagles.org/

      • Ben Franklin

        one just brought in a brand new fish

    • Draco

      The First Eagle Couple just made our local news πŸ™‚ They are famous even here!

    • Supper Powers

      If only our egghead of a species would pay such attention to our biological instincts.

      • Rasha

        IKR???

    • Frodis73

      I’m addicted to this camera now.

      • Rasha

        We’ve got about 3 or 4 full-screen watchers in the office here…. (having 3 monitors is suhWEET…)

  • Alice Graves

    Since Louis Theroux’s film has come up a lot recently, I wanted to share another documentary of his named “In Search of Wabi Sabi” with anyone who loves his films. This one takes him to Japan to learn about and try to understand “Wabi Sabi” – an ancient Japanese philosophy about life.

    This is the only film of his I’ve seen where he ends up truly in awe of his subject matter, rather than bringing in the usual irony he does so well. He is humbled, literally brought to his knees when after much struggle, he starts to fathom the commitment the Japanese have to their way of life. Super enjoyable film.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2P8z7kYJW0

    • Eivol Ekdal

      That is his older brother.

      • Frodis73

        I was wondering why the name was different in the title…and why i had never heard of this one. Lol.

    • Ben Franklin

      This was done by Marcel Theroux who is Louis Theroux’s sibling. He does look like Louis

      • Alice Graves

        Ah – didn’t know he had a brother but they do look a lot alike.

        • Ben Franklin

          They also sound alike.

    • Draco

      This is Marcel Theroux, not Louis.

      • Draco

        Who, it turns out is Louis’ brother …I just googled him because he sounds just like Louis!

  • Hamtaro

    Every story about recent developments in Monique’s case is disturbing for the same reason: it sounds like she and Marty are being ritualistically destroyed by the cult. The most recent prior example I can recall of this kind of continuous pressure resulting in life destroying capitulation would be Joan Wood. Joan Wood was the medical examiner in the McPherson case who inexplicably changed the official cause of death, which subsequently tanked the criminal case. As a result, she lost her job of 18 years, her excellent professional reputation and her medical license. She lived the remainder of her life as a virtual recluse. But no one ever heard about the details of how this happened until Mike & Marty blew and spoke about it publicly. Which was several years later.

    I sincerely hope that similar undue pressure is not being put on Monique. Unfortunately, the court documents would indicate this may have already occurred. If so, it’s tragic. I wonder which Sea Org member will eventually blow and reveal the details about Monique’s case?

    Destroyed lives: the only genuine end phenomenon of Scientology.

    • daisy

      If that were to be the case, I would think Marty would or should have known their potential to ruin a life, before bringing it to the courts in the first place. If not then he is an extreme example of one who cannot learn from the past.

  • After rue meme time! πŸ™‚ F5 [ETA: disqus always puts pix in their own order, I like the last 2, yes, I made ’em all. ]

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
      • LongtimeLurker

        Jesus.

        Can we up his meds?

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          It’s Friday, let him have his fun. LOL πŸ˜€

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        It took me several views to see that he tears off a strip like he’s skinning a springbok in the Kalahari. Good on ya, cat. Be your wild self.

  • Jenny Griffith

    ” All praises due to Allah” forget about that elronguy.

    • flyonthewall

      here’s another interesting one from that same FB page. I always wondered what God or Gods looked like. Now I know! Cool. f5

      • salin

        Where there’s Alfreddie. Sir Scamalot hitched is star to scamantology. Now one never knows on which scam he is going to pop up.

        • Frodis73

          Sir Scamalot, I love it!

      • Jenny Griffith

        Someone should post on thar about their ” Gods” being charged with medicare fraud. Is there any update on that story, do you know?

        • flyonthewall

          idk, i was just wondering myself

        • salin

          I don’t think he was charged – not sure how he skated around it given the World Literacy Crusade’s involvement. But his lady friend (did I read they were married?) Hanan Islam, a couple of her kids, and two educators from the local high school.

          • Jenny Griffith

            Rizza was charged.

            • salin

              Oh yea. Then a few weeks later was doing the selfie thing at the New Years gig. Like you, I wonder how that case is progressing.

          • Jenny Griffith

            Hanan is married to Alfreddie and Rizza is their son. They have a daughter also. Both kids and the mother were charged.

            • salin

              Yet he wasn’t. Ugh. Thanks for the refresher.

  • Sunny

    Godiva dark chocolate covered strawberries.
    Ready for the weekend.
    What’s up?

    • flyonthewall

      got red wine?

      • Sunny

        Yep

        • flyonthewall

          good good

          • Sunny

            Where’d the damn chuckleheads go?

            • flyonthewall

              Dave’s not here man

    • Juicer77

      Enjoy! Enjoying the quiet around here…

  • Jimmy3

    Today’s lesson: I can’t drink like I used to, and whoever said learning is fun is a damn liar.

    • Observer

      Welcome to Getting Older

      • Kestrel

        Ain’t that the truth!

      • Jimmy3

        Don’t worry, I can still drink my way out of that.

        • Observer

          Hahahahahahaha

        • flyonthewall

          that’s what my cousin jerry said too. He’s 22yrs old btw. f5

        • Nat-leficent

          πŸ™

    • LongtimeLurker

      Thursday night I helped a friend deal with losing his job by imbibing an amount of alcohol that even 5 years ago wouldn’t have really affected me the next day.

      But now, because I’m *cough* years old, I woke up at 2pm today.

      And then went out and drank too much at another friend’s birthday.

      It’s now 5:10 am and I smell like the Burger King I got on the way home.

      I’m stupid.

      Not OSA stupid, but still pretty stupid.

      • Jimmy3

        I used to work at a Burger King a looong time ago. That smell doesn’t wash out.

        • LongtimeLurker

          The real problem is that it’s making me want more Burger King.

          This could be a terrible spiral of doom.

          • Jimmy3

            One day, one of these district manager corporate types sat in the dining room and watched me. He tells my manager, “I watched that kid eat 7 chicken tenders!!! He can’t do that!!!”

            I said they should be thrilled that I enjoy the food here. That’s a positive thing, right?

            They didn’t think that was very funny. I ate a bunch more chicken tenders after he left.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Freakin’ area managers man. Screw those guys.

              Also, it’s not like you were working in the Lamborghini factory and taking home a V12 Aventador every day.

              Like, just let the staff eat the food.

            • flyonthewall
            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Nah, man, it’s all about the donuts.

              And I love this record.

            • flyonthewall

              my personal fav of theirs

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Mine, too.

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Aha! Now we in OSA have “Dead Agent” material on Jimmy3:

              Scientology hater Jimmy3 admits to embezzling corporate assets!

              That’s how Fair Game works: chicken tenders become a felony.

            • salin

              Correction: virtual apostate Jimmy3. Remember he recently did that self-study online become a $cientologist stint.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Keep drinking and you’ll be RTC in no time.

    • daisy

      There is a simple trick I discovered to avoid a hangover. Keep drinking.

    • gtsix

      You can drink like you used to.

      You can not recover like you used to.

      • Jimmy3

        I’ll drink to that!!!

        …wait

      • Nat-leficent

        ^^^^^^^^^

  • PRenaud

    Sorry is this was posted before, a republican candidate for state Assembly who does not want to answer if he’s still a scientologist or not… based on the comments if he wins the race he’s in for a ride as $cientology is clearly condemned http://timesofsandiego.com/politics/2016/03/17/leo-hamels-ties-to-church-of-scientology-eyed-in-assembly-race/

    • LongtimeLurker

      He claims to have been out for years and that he was never that committed.

      For anyone interested – Leo Hamel in Scientology’s Published Service Completion Lists

      DRUG RUNDOWN – 1990
      PURIFICATION RUNDOWN – 1991
      KEY TO LIFE COURSE Freewinds 7 – 1991
      LIFE ORIENTATION COURSE Freewinds 7 – 1991
      VOLUME 0 – 1993
      DRUG RUNDOWN – 1994 (again Leo? Get your act together, man)
      STATE OF MAN CONGRESS COURSE – 1997
      PURIFICATION RUNDOWN – 1997
      OBJECTIVES – 1997
      GRADE 0 EXPANDED – 1998
      GRADE I EXPANDED – 1998
      GRADE II EXPANDED – 1998
      GRADE III EXPANDED – 1998
      SUNSHINE RUNDOWN – 1999
      ABILITY CONGRESS Freewinds 38 – 2000

    • grundoon

      Is Leo Hamel related to OSA chief Linda Hamel?

  • gtsix

    The eaglet is feeding again:

    http://www.eagles.org/dceaglecam/

    Camera angle b

    • gtsix

      and done. Just a quick nosh for the baby.

    • Sandy

      Are you familiar with the MN DNR eagle-cam? We watch it every spring.

      webcams.dnr.state.mn.us/eagle

      • gtsix

        I am now! Thank you very much.

  • Today in Scientology:

    25 years ago, the US Supreme Court sends the Wolley Trolley back down with a loss for Scientology:

    Court Sends Krishna, Scientology Punitive-Damages Cases to Lower Courts March 18, 1991, Associated Press

    19 years ago, Yingling strongly denies that Scientology farted.

    Scientology Won Tax Exemption on the Merits March 18, 1997, Monique E. Yingling, Letter to the Editor, New York Times

    5 years ago, Boston Ivory Bean less than ideal:

    Demolition Imminent for Unstable Washington Street Building March 18, 2011, Alix Roy, South End Patch

    1 year ago, Jeffrey Augustine lights a candle:

    Scientology, Monique Yingling, and HBO March 18, 2015, Jeffrey Augustine, Scientology Money Project

    more today

    Yesterday 2 years ago, because I forgot:

    The Black Bag Department March 17, 2014, Mike Rinder, Something Can Be Done About It

  • Panopea Abrupta

    What is it with dentists and $cientology?
    You would think that Ron’s rotten gnashers
    would be enough to dissuade them.

    Today, in a city which shall remain nameless,
    I picked up a STACK of The Way To Slappiness rags
    that had been paid for and put there by a dentist.
    Oh, dear, at this rate, those pamphlets will be cleared in no time.
    My stats are way up already and it’s only Friday πŸ™‚

    • LillyPond LuLu

      Just picking up trash dumped at local clearwater restaurant. These are where I put my latest haul after finding them at local business.These are reported by CO$ to be helping save clearwater.

      • Skabetti

        Did you hang that bag on their door knob?

  • Mark

    Oh dear… I wonder who’s feeling rueful now? (Refresh moral scale):

    • beauty for ashes

      Can I just say, that the resemblance to Dolly Parton, or the homage, that Karen has in this outfit is terribly adorable. πŸ™‚

      • Mark

        I think we can all guess what Karen’s favourite colour is πŸ˜‰

      • Juicer77

        She and Vaquera could have a stylish boots competition!

  • Xenu is my Homeboy
  • salin

    trawling the net for recent Scieno tidbits. Found some funny irony. Check out the name of the site blasting the news of Ron Miscavige’s book: http://www.galaxynewsflash.com/reportage/a-ruthless-scientology-tellall-is-coming/1144781.html he he.

  • beauty for ashes

    The speculation (for me) about the Rathbun case has reached a saturation point. I rue the day this whole damn thing started. I just hope that everyone is okay in the Rathbun house and no one is being coerced or threatened. See? I’m speculating again!!!!! UGH!

    • All reasonable scenarios have now been explored. As Mr Spock might have said, ‘it is pointless to speculate further without additional data’.

      • Ben Franklin

        One thing is certain though, there are only two potential outcomes, either a win or a loss. If it is a loss they will rue the day.

        • There could be stalemate – then they would only have to rue the morning or the afternoon – not the whole day.

          • Susan B.

            Is this new to the UB or is it a re-rue:

      • beauty for ashes

        unfortunately I have a vast splendid imagination, which ignores things like logic freely.

    • JOE BLOW

      I’m “postulating” he’s going to give us all a pleasant surprise. Wouldn’t that be nice?

      • flyonthewall

        i would like some warning but that’s just me

        • April

          Then it wouldn’t be a surprise. πŸ˜›

    • Jimmy3

      Marty’s pants reached a saturation point.

      • flyonthewall

        someone made a boom-boom! Oh it’s me

        • beauty for ashes

          Can always tell the people with kids!

        • Susan B.

          It’s getting all cultish up in here and I believe I’m not as funny as I think I am.

      • beauty for ashes

        Butt crack sweat?

      • Ben Franklin

        Nah. He is just playing possum.

        • Jimmy3

          Ah, youre right. One of those possum with wet pants.

          • Ben Franklin

            Yep. It a whole different game when going toe to toe with king kong

            • Jimmy3

              I gotta say tho, my dog has caught a possum twice, and both times he lost interest very shortly after it played dead. It is very effective. I’m gonna try it if I’m ever about to be arrested.

            • Ben Franklin

              LOL, try it only if you are immune to tasers. Cops tend to enjoy playing that game.

      • Nat-leficent

        You sound like a presidential candidate

    • flyonthewall

      I have a feeling his baby is being coerced into wearing wittle itty bitty cutsie outfits and playing hours upon hours of peekaboo. Makes me sick.

      • beauty for ashes

        Aww, it is fun to dress them up. I have a thing for stripes, and those onesie footie jumper thingees!

        • flyonthewall

          booga-booga-booga! aaaaahhhh booga-booga-booga! *funny face* *tickle* aaahhhh booga-booga-booga! *poke*

          Ok that’s it I’m going to the hospital and stealing a baby, brb

          • gtsix

            My lawyer advised me to use “borrowing”. Apparently that’s different.

          • beauty for ashes

            **belly shaking laughter****

        • April

          I have a weakness for babies and toddlers in sailor outfits. Simply adorable.

    • daisy

      I agree we are giving him the attention he craves but doesn’t deserve.

      • beauty for ashes

        Oh I takes total responsibility for my vivid imagination/ apocalyptic visions/ anxiety.

    • Frodis73

      ^^^This, totally. I just can’t anymore.

    • aegerprimo

      All of us are speculating.

  • flyonthewall

    Nice Darth Xander video impinging on clams at the Flag birthday event

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHyY_yZE3BM

    • Jimmy3

      Is he a real Sith Lord?

      • flyonthewall

        no but he plays one on youtube

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I want you and Jimmy to start a podcast. You can do it as an Easter present for me. πŸ˜€

          • flyonthewall

            I’ll do it but I want top billing and hot coco…with marshmallows

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              You got it. πŸ˜€

              For realz though, I bought one of these this past winter and omg….everyone in my house loves it!! Well worth the money (and you can hunt around & find cheaper prices for them): http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E5IL2Q4?keywords=hot%20chocolate%20maker&qid=1458339779&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

            • flyonthewall

              So it’s like a blender kind of but only for cocoa? Interesting.

              Sometimes I miss working in an office bc we had a fancy Keurig machine and I got all the hot cocoa I could drink, no muss no fuss. So good

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Yep, pretty much like a blender for hot chocolate. You can use powder or syrup and it has the little basket you can use to add real chocolate (or whatever you want) to it. It also warms it to the perfect temperature. Now I know what to get you for your birthday. πŸ˜€

      • flyonthewall

        Apparently there is a Darth Xander in the sw universe

        http://swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Xander

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Wow, everyone looks so thrilled to be attending.

    • Sherbet

      Why all the garment bags/change of clothes? If these are members coming to the party from their homes, they wouldn’t need to have, say, a SO uniform in their garment bags, would they?

      • flyonthewall

        we get to play dress up! yay!

        • Sherbet

          And pretend we just came in from the suburbs to attend this fabulous party! And we’re almost all 20-something women! And we’re not fooling anyone!

  • Observer
    • Juicer77

      Wow, the one about the mom who was harassed, publicly shamed and got death threats – for trying to help her daughter. Glad the guy got his comeuppance.

  • nottrue

  • salin

    Internal Discussion re: incessant, continuing media coverage of the announcement of the book: Ruthless

    Exec 1: We need a distraction. This news has started blowing into comm lines. Something has to trump it, and fast.

    Exec 2: The Birthday is past, we can’t use that. Wait – won’t a bunch of professors of Psyche be retiring this Spring?

    Exec 1: A number of wogs retire every year. So what.

    Exec 2: But how many do you think might be retiring *this* year. Doesn’t that signal some kind of victory? A whole bunch of psyches vacating their positions?

    Exec 1: But aren’t they just replaced with new psyche meat?

    Exec 2: You said we need a distraction. Let me talk to Dan Shermworm. We need an internal blast, and I think he can deliver.

    Internal Memo

    This Memo is to announce a momentous milestone which is about to be masterfully met on the path to total psyche oblivion. Let it be broadcast boldly, in order to blast up the meteoric magnitude of the moment. At this time, across the globe, it is inevitably predicted that in-numerous malignant manifestors of evil psyche – and their attempts at casting Galactic chaos – those who not only treacherously ply their imprisoning practices, but who also plot and conspire to enlist, create, and perpetuate an army of additional arsonists against humanity – WILL , this very Spring, be swept aside – cast out of their roles, like a comet’s tail to our unstoppable victorious march on the path to total planetary clearing.

    In this moment, we MUST dial our efforts up 16x, we must focus. We can not be distracted from this impending victory. We must be prepared to act, to give, and to step into our righteous positions as the only ones able to free humanity. Let us take a moment of contemplative silence to thank Man’s Greatest Friend for sparking our crusade towards total Freedom (TM).

    • Susan B.

      Man’s Greatest Friend = Man and Woman’s Best Friend:

    • Baby

      Bravo.. Bravo.. f5

  • Simi Valley

    I forgot to say that I really loved seeing Karen on that show. She said a lot of stuff that should hit people right between the eyes.

  • JOE BLOW

    Hey Osa, “How’s tricks?” Get it “tricks”?

  • Supper Powers

    The eagle cam is overwhelming right now. http://dceaglecam.eagles.org/#

    • Rasha

      I have some wonderful screenshots. I’ll post them as soon as I can…. Gotta head home before another customer calls…..

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Please do. I feel like every time I tune in, there’s nothing going on. Just a lot of intense staring and some random pecking.

        • Supper Powers

          Camera b is interesting right now. http://dceaglecam.eagles.org/#

        • Supper Powers

          F5

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Ooohhh, do we have feeding here? We just have boring ol’ nesting again on the livestream. I can never catch it at the right time.

    • Ben Franklin

      I love their disclaimer, which states:

      “This is a wild eagle nest and anything can happen. While we hope that two healthy juvenile eagles will end up fledging from the nest this summer, things like sibling rivalry, predators, and natural disaster can affect this eagle family and may be difficult to watch.”

      • Supper Powers

        That’s how it goes. Mother Nature is in control.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Aww, this is the first I’ve seen the little hatchling in real time! He’s as wobbly as I am after half a bottle of sake. His sibling needs to come out soon and make it a proper party.

  • sizzle8

    Time to update Marty’s blog.

    • Mooser42001

      Well, I think Rathbun has concluded he’s had it with the culture of complaint, so they withdrew their complaint.

  • nottrue

    … At least he calls it a cult

    https://youtu.be/PQpNzrS66Ro?t=117

    • Susan B.

      That guy looks soooo familiar. Have I seen him somewhere???

      • Baby

        Susan.. I think it was in another lifetime.. Check your track and get back to us..

        • Supper Powers

          Spit out my wine!!!

          • Baby

            Than my job is done here..that is what I was going for Supper..

        • Susan B.

          I don’t know anything about this “check your track” business but I’m told I’m a new entity and I have no pasts lives. No past lives means no ruing over past lives mistakes. I’m rue free.

          • scottmercer

            I get a new life everyday when I wake up at Noon.

          • Baby

            Oh you are soooooooo lucky.. I’m trying to deal with being Cleopatra..It is absolutely exhausting Susan..

            • Susan B.

              Is the denial killing you? (Cleopatra, Queen of de Nile)

            • Baby

              hahaha.. Yes.. and the viper.. eeeeeeeeeeeeeek

            • Robert Eckert
            • Baby

              Wait.. WWWWhat?

            • Robert Eckert

              It’s stereotypically phrased that she “held an asp to her breast”

            • Baby

              Ahhhhhhhhh yes.. that’s what I remember! Good Morning Robert..

        • Susan B.

          BTW, you do realize, right?

          • Baby

            hahahaha.. NO .. Susan. I went to your avi at one time.. and couldn’t figure out who it was.. OMG..hahahhaa…

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Has this been shared yet today? Celebitchy–which does a decent job covering scientology, for a celebrity gossip site–has a post on Pater Miscavige’s upcoming book. Nice to see that they cite Tony for the info. They also give a shout out to The Unbreakable Miss Lovely (which they say they couldn’t finish because it was so upsetting).
    http://www.celebitchy.com/476412/scientology_leader_david_miscaviges_dad_wrote_a_tell_all_book_called_ruthless/

    • Frodis73

      Those comments are pretty great.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Yeah, the Celebitchy comment crew is pretty savvy, especially when it comes to the CoS. They’re good people.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Karen is an unmined treasure trove of history of the Scientology movement’s “tech history” and details.

    Her being a Class 12, she’s walked the walk of the whole Hubbard practice in detail. Less than 100 people have become Class 12 in the history of the movement, more like 50 people or less.

    It’s unprecedented that there is no other long term Class 12 ex Scientologist publicly talking and available for historians and anyone wishing to get into her 40 years of story.

    I love Alison’s interviewing and smarts. Savvy articulate women are so enjoyable to listen to.

  • This insane case is a perfect example of where Scientology gets you.

  • Rasha

    O/T Eaglet Flood (just a few)…

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Look at that eaglet with his crazy bedhead! These are great–thanks for sharing, Rasha!

      • Rasha

        S/He’s a little rocker!! ^_^

    • Great pics. I like it how no one talks about the sad fate of a poor dude who had to set the cam in eagles nest. Oh look, they are feeding baby eagle a fish! Yeah, ok.

      • Rasha

        If he walked away with little damage, my hat’s off to him. If not – I’ll be donating blood this weekend, so…….

        • I am mostly joking, but I do wonder how did they manage to place it there. Eagles are vicious assholes.

          • Rasha

            I think about those things all the time. “Oh, ants in their hole!! How interes — hey! Wait a sec!!”

            • Exactly. Eagles are even known for attacking mountain goats and making them fall off the cliffs so they can have some delicious goat snacks later.

            • Rasha

              I enjoy nature documentaries that show reality in the natural world. It’s not all cuddly and take-home to snuggle. Things eat things. Things have a purpose, and it doesn’t take you into consideration. It all works when respected. I think that’s cool.

            • Mooser42001

              I’ll try and remember that when some vicious, crazed, hyper-patriotic, red-white-and-bald eagle tries to knock me over a cliff. Try and make an escarp-goat out of me, will he? I’ll stand on the rock where mooses stood! Well, if I could I surely would.
              And nothing I eat ever makes any noise when I bite it, except for green beans, sometimes, if they’re very fresh.

            • Rasha

              I respect that. It works. ^_^

            • Mooser42001

              Are you kidding me? It doesn’t work. I’d give anything for a nice steak. I try and grab rabbits, but they’re too fast, then I catch myself, and ram my head into a tree, screaming, “You’re herbivorous, damn it herbivorous!” Every once in a while, while eating water-cress in a pond, I get a shrimp or a crab or crayfish. Gosh that’s good, but I can’t let anybody see. And they aren’t even kosher!
              I’m supposed to be a symbol of good-natured, if somewhat stupid, universal compassion and kindness, radiating from my palmate antlers. Instead all I can think about is a pork-chop. With apple-sauce. I’d give my entire rack (in season) for a good pair of incisors. Oh well, can’t fight your custard, that’s what I always say. Can’t fight your custard.

            • daisy

              I feel your pain.

            • Ella Raitch

              Aah Mouser….. Why u no post more often?

            • Agree with you on all points.

            • daisy

              I can watch murder shows and have a bit of blood lust, but I make everyone change the channel at animal shows in case they do something to another one ???

            • Mooser42001

              Poor little goats. Fluffy little white things, aren’t they, with cute shoe-button eyes. But eagles don’t care. That’s what they’re like.

            • And don’t get me started about things they do to turtles.

            • TexasBroad

              I have an irrational, deeply ingrained fear of turtles. It’sknown well enough among my friends, a guy once broke up with me by putting a picture of a turtle on his door with a note that just said “yeah, bye”. Now my husband just sends me turtle pics to freak me out for hiis own amusement. I’m mostly afraid of the giant, man-eating ones.

            • Frodis73

              That is the weirdest break up story I have heard, i think. Wow, what a chicken shit way to end a relationship!!

            • TexasBroad

              I thought so too, but it was effective. I didn’t even try to knock and find out why!

            • Turtles are God’s genetic engineering prank. Ugly mofos live almost as long as rocks and it pisses eagles off to no end.

            • OceanMomma

              What ever you do never watch anything with Peter Prichard in it. He’s the turtle man. My little one was hooked on his documentary and we had to watch it DAILY for months. I now know far more than I ever wanted to about every kind of turtle there is.

          • Mooser42001

            “Eagles are vicious assholes.”

            Thank you. I’ve never liked them. What self-respecting bird goes in for an Imperial Symbol gig? Alopeciac, fish-stealing raptors.

            • Haha. I do like the one on my NRA card though.

          • gtsix

            They placed the cameras when the eagles.were not there, knowing they would return to the next for the next baby laying.

            Eagles.are.mean… but don’t you be dissing the freedom birds! ( if only ben Franklin got his way, we’d be talking turkey)

    • aegerprimo

      WOW!

    • aquaclara

      It’s nursery visiting hours? Yay!

  • Rasha

    3 more…..

    • Baby

      Awwwwwwwwww precious.. thanks Rashie..

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Awwww he definitely looks more like his father, don’t you think?

      • Rasha

        Definitely the beak. Yup. ^_^

    • Frodis73

      Awwww!! So cute!! I’ve been watching on and off all day, but keep missing the babies.

  • MostEthicalPimp

    Dumb OT question: Is Head Lice a psychosomatic illness? I need to know ASAP!

    • Rasha

      …unless I’m imagining it…..

      • MostEthicalPimp

        I really should call the help number in the back of an old Dianetics book and say that I have done ten Dianetics sessions but it still hasn’t cured my lice.

        • Rasha

          And then ask for you money back. XD Actually, head lice is easier to be rid of than Scientologist callers, and more pleasant company, to boot.

    • flyonthewall

      are you asking for a friend?

    • I think your BTs have manifested into tangible form. Keep thee to the cans STAT!

    • Sherbet

      I thought those were bunny ears on your head, Pimp. Now I see you have a huge problem.

    • I’ll say.
      Just talking about itching will make everyone in the Bunker itch.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Stop it.

        • I’m scratching my arm. Scratch scratch scratch…..my nose feels itchy now…

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Aaagghhh, stop!

    • Baby

      hahaha When I was young and too dumb to have a baby ( 19) My little one was playing in a sandbox at the Y .. and let’s just say..

      She landed in the ER with a Swim Cap on her head with me screaming.. ” MY BABY HAS BUGS CRAWLING IN HER HEAD..IS SHE GONNA DIE..” ( Don’t ask..)

  • Jeb Burton

    Hogan just got $115 million. Imagine what you would of got Monica. Separate yourself from your psychotic husband.

    • sizzle8

      Monica??

  • The Toronto org looks as bad as ever. Pix later.

    • Rasha

      Gosh, maybe that really is St. Hill-Sized……

    • Baby

      Bring it.. xo

  • Susan B.

    So when Galaxy Press shows up at the Comic Con and they have their Crap Nebula t-shirts on and books by lrh for sale how possible is it for them to convert Comic Con goers to scientology? Comic Con is for *Science Fictions* fans, right? Imagine a Comic Con person gets suckered in and getting as far as OT three to find out about the supposedly *non-fiction* 75 million year history of Earth and volcanoes and xenu and body thetans. Is Galaxy Press really a front group for CO$ as I’ve heard it described? I would think that Galaxy Press brings in money in book sales, no?
    To OSA: Keywords: Comic Con, Galaxy Press, front group for CO$, crap Nebula, xenu, body thetans.

    • Couple other keywords: Call home, stop scientology disconnection

      • Susan B.

        thx. short on brain space here. in the last hour of the work week.

    • As a newly appointed Bunker’s Chaplain, by OTVIIIisGreat! himself, as of yesterday, AD 66, let me assure you that Galaxy Press is definitely not a scientology front group, but rather a jovial congregation of sci-fi nerds, just like all of you here. Great books and jokes, that’s all! Haha LOL

      • salin

        Just sell the books on your charm and reassurance, don’t let them browse the books first.

        • And there better be no funny CALL ME bookmarks infiltrations.

          • salin

            If they buy the book – they can’t put it back on the table with the CALL ME bookmark. Infiltration attempt : isolated.

  • salin

    Reminder to click the recommend for Today’s Underground Bunker! At 125 recommends at 9:00 pm EDT. Can we hit 150 before tomorrow’s post?

    Scroll down to the eagle cams and still shots – for warm and fuzzy ‘wows!’

    It is behind clouds – and light – but there is (at least right now) some Aurora action on one of the last nights for six months for the Tromso, Norway sky cam to be webcasting. http://virtualtromso.no/en/northern-lights/138-live-northern-lights-activity-and-forecast.html

    And a different kind of sky action happening called “Red Sprites” caught from the International Space Station: http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=123701

    Explanation for the phenomenon on the front page of: http://spaceweather.com/

  • β€œLet’s give God a vacation / He must be tired of it all / Making the game, taking the blame / Twenty four hours a day on call.”

    http://youtu.be/HGmIKTB54JU

    • aegerprimo

      I love Mose.

  • SNAFU

    This has probably been posted already, but just in case, ABC’s 20/20 to air in a few minutes reads: “Ron Miscavige, the father of Scientology leader David Miscavige, discusses his controversial son.”

    • SNAFU

      Hmm, the online listing that I quoted was incorrect for some reason. It appears to be a 20/20 on some drug lord.

      • daisy

        IIRC Tony said that the interview will be aired shortly after the book release. Don’t quote me.

        • Observer

          Shortly before.

          • All News Platforms belong to us.

            “The Interview will Air on β€œ20/20,” Friday, April 29 at 10 p.m., ET,
            and Across All ABC News Platforms” http://abcnews.go.com/Press_Release/ron-miscavige-father-scientology-leader-david-miscavige-speaks/story?id=37715704

          • SNAFU

            Sorry for the false alarm. This was what I saw on TV Guide online:

            • salin

              Rather have a false alarm – than miss it if it suddenly appeared.

            • Cedilla

              A disappointment in an Outfront Media/Regency Outdoor Advertising kinda way.

              It’s ok.
              ABC will air The Ron Miscavige story on April 29.

              (But I won’t be holding my breath).

            • Baby

              Hi Cedilla.. Always happy to see you.. xo baby

            • Baby

              Oh SNAFU I’ve done that before.. We just appreciate the fact that you were letting us know in the first place..

    • aegerprimo

      Link please. Thanx.

  • MostEthicalPimp

    Just saw this at the vons (safeway) near PAC

    • Jimmy3

      Real crazy water

    • Tony Ortega
    • Oh wow. So CCHR is a real charity now. Pretty sure any psychiatrist who drinks this BPA free water will melt.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        Yes, you know it’s real because they tell. Just like a used car salesman.

    • Robert Eckert

      It has electrolytes!

      • No Niacin though. Bullshit.

      • Jimmy3

        I had to send my meal back the other night. One bite and I spit it out. “Where’d you learn to cook??? This has no electrons in it!”

      • MostEthicalPimp

        Which plants crave.

    • Dice

      8 Ph is way off the scale, even plants will suffer and city dep. would shut down the water supply. It should only be used as a cleaning detergent.

  • aegerprimo

    OT – now for something completely different…
    (squishy-face cat)
    ….

    • aegerprimo
    • Special Ops cat acts as a rat.

      • Baby

        heh.. watch the R word. Mr. ( teasing..) now..

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      He’s all grown up!

      • aegerprimo

        Yes he is! I’m sure you remember him posing in front of TUML as a kitten I just rescued.

        https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8863/17955396030_af57430846_c.jpg

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Our little street kitteh. So happy he found you.

          • aegerprimo

            So happy he found me too.

            • Baby

              Oh Bunker Surgical Nurse I can NOT believe that is the same kitteh.. you are his Guardian Angel.. But who saved who, eh? Beautiful.. and he was a cutie pie as a kitty too..

              I bet he just loves his mama..

            • aegerprimo

              I love him.

            • Baby

              Awwwwwwww.. so sweet.. will he sit on your lap.. and cuddle ? You are getting ready for work, eh?

            • aegerprimo

              He is a cuddle cat!
              (I do not work today, it is Saturday, and WHEW I’m not on call this weekend either. The alarm clock in my head made me get up before dawn. UGGH!)

            • Baby

              AWWWWWWW he is..sweet.. is his eye ok.. ? I was worried when he was a baby..couldn’t be in better hands though..

              I had a maincoon once and all she did was hide under the bed.. sigh.. no matter what I did..but I rescued her ( I think 13) so she was set in her ways..

              Before dawn ..UGGGGGGGGGGGGGh is right..

            • aegerprimo

              He is blind in his right eye. (He doesn’t know.)
              I made this drawing of him.

            • aegerprimo

              A sketch I did of my one-eyed baby blue cat.
              ……………

            • Baby

              OHHHHH.. beautiful..You are so talented aeger..I could NOT keep my hands off him.. and smother him in kisses..

    • Newiga

      Adorable kitteh!

    • Juicer77

      Now that’s trust! *puts ear close to picture to hear the purring* Sweet kitteh. He’s gotten so big! <3

    • TheMirrorThetan

      He is so cute.I love blue cats.
      I cant believe he grew up so quick.
      Does that eye that was injured give him any trouble?

      • aegerprimo

        He is blind in his right eye. He doesn’t know or notice. He is full-fledged
        KITTEH.
        Bleu cats rule.

      • aegerprimo

        His eye healed, thanks to a wonderful vet I found who did surgery on his eye. He is blind in the eye, but he does not seem to know.

        • TheMirrorThetan

          That’s great. He looks like a cuddly sweetheart. πŸ™‚

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    I’d hate to be Marty’s ruemate right about now.

    • aegerprimo

      Heh heh!

  • Toronto Org. Hmm is that the start of new signage behind the temp sign? I’ll have to check earlier pix, because they’ve never had a permit for doing that.
    ..

    • OceanMomma

      What’s with the tape on the windows and are they currently using this building?

      • Frodis73

        I’m assuming the tape is preventing the windows from cracking more…or preventing them from shattering when they do fail…or it’s for holding the building up. ;-D

      • they use rooms on a third floor (or something) in another part of town. They’re trying to trick us into feeling sorry for their pathetic clam backsides, but it won’t work!

        • Juicer77

          We’re on to their little game! Mwahahahaha

    • Baby

      There ya go RM… Yep check for the permit.. What a dump.. Good Gawwwd

      • aegerprimo

        Yeah, looks like there are many missing windows.

    • Baby

      The sign says ” Now under renovation..” bawwwwwwhahahha.. They have been saying that for how many years?

  • MaxSpaceman

    Thank you Allison– a very good half-hour of television. What a guest!!

    Wonderful seeing you, Ms. de la C– you were wonderful, informative, composed, effective and compelling.

    (ps: wish you would do some few hours of Apollo videos, cut up into segments; wish you would reveal what it was you did in the 90s and some of the 00s when you were — as you noted in Allison’s show — completely “caught up” in the entire hypno-con & operation of the entire cherch. Besides the Class XII highest-level auditing, there were other things; the stories you have to tell would be so cool to hear. But- maybe best left for the autobiography- as you have your work and your Surviving Scientology to do. :->)

  • Sarah James

    I do hope that one justice gives that one vote.

    • Juicer77

      TXLawyer seems to think there’s a really good chance it will get heard by the higher court, just because it’s such an interesting case.

  • Baby

    So I’m on my way to the bathroom to brush my teeth..and my eye caught something beside my granddaughters drawing. Hmmmm WTF? Closer..closer.. standing on chair.. Ah Ha..

    Froggy.. Go Home to your Mama.. Grabbed froggy and put him outside.. ( Thought is was an M word for one second..) f5

    • Dice

      Could be an OSA frog. Always check the Quacks!

      • Baby

        Hahahha… They usually appear as Snakes Dice..

    • Kay

      OK…..that would freak me out, although frogs are OK, whereas any kind of R or M is just too much. I would have screamed because it does look like an M.

      • Baby

        Kay thank you.. I still am jumpy since the R incident.. Everytime I go into the kitchen I get a Hair anxious.. Still haven’t looked under sink ( Trap is set) or opened dishwasher..

        But.. Yes.. I was startled cause..shit.. You just would expect something like that stuck in the corner.. It was big too.. and I wet a cloth diaper and gently grabbed it as it wiggled for it’s life.. ugh

    • MaxSpaceman

      I’m not so sure about this one, Baby-

      I smell a rat.

      • Baby

        MAXXXXXXXXX!! ugh.. I love the dust on the frog’s nose..hahah.. How long has it been there?

      • Baby

        We get them all the time Max… NOT uncommon..but the way I found this one was.. I’ve got a couple on my window..now.. They always startle me when they thud..

    • aegerprimo

      That is a frog? Crazy! He looks very comfortable there.

      • Baby

        Yep.. and yes he was aeg.. He was as snug as a frog in a log..haha But when I went to grab him gently he came alive really fast.. and wiggled like crazy..

        I took him out to the Palm tree.. He needed to be outside..

      • Baby

        Here is a usual scene when I am at computer.. and the little foot always freaks me out..f5

  • Baby

    Talk about an empty Org..Jeeze.. night Padres.. xo love baby

  • OOkpik

    For you early-to-rise, Bunker buddies.

    • Juicer77

      Super! Thanks! xoxo

    • Dice

      The Danish people likes it when you having them for breakfast!

      • OOkpik

        I’m sure I’d likes them too.

    • Baby

      NOM NOM.. can I sneak one Oh wise Owl.. I’m just getting ready for bed ..No coffee..just that yummy fat crispy croissant? Please Please..?

      • OOkpik

        Help yourself, Baby doll. There are plenty more where those came from. <3

        • Baby

          f5 Fabulous.. Thanks OOK.. LOVIN IT!

  • Dice

    You don’t have any money? Bullshit…
    https://youtu.be/z9o6J4R3u28

  • Juicer77

    For under-the-radars, newbies (and people catching up, like me!) here’s a terrific post by Mike Rinder. It’s a snapshot survey of SP’s in 2013 and the results are very, very interesting. Read all the way through to the “Who Me?” section at the bottom – it’s worth paying attention to. http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-golden-age-of-sp-declares/

    • Baby

      THANKS Juice..Oh MY God yes.. He has come full circle since 2013.. amazing progress.. Off to read..

  • Baby

    While we wait for Mr Ortega.. Snooping at Marty’s.. and read Brian ( Love Brian) response to Marildi ( who can quote Hubbard on the spot as needed) Thought you would enjoy..
    …………………………..

    Brian | March 9, 2016 at 8:06 pm | Reply

    ” What Ron says and who Ron is are not the same person.

    β€œLove despite all provocations to do otherwise”

    β€œRuin them utterly”

    No monopoly on truth? I believe he says these benevolent things to sound like a Messiah.

    ” In all the broad Universe there is β€œNo Other Hope” for Man than ourselves”. Ron’s Journal 67

    Ron liked to sound wise and benevolent. His his high minded sentiments in words do not match his real motive and actions. His actual state of being and character.

    When Ron states that there is no other hope for human beings but him, it is an unquestionable revelation of a megalomaniacal ego. Not only did Ron want to take over the planet, Ron wanted to take over the universe. That is an unstable mind, a distorted self perception: negative ego.

    Just think about it Marildi. No other hope but me, Ron, the originator of the only technique to help mankind.

    Also on some tape he states that Buddha was only keyed out clear. So he puts himself above Buddha.

    I have pity for Ron and I hope he’s happy. But the man was a perfect study of selfish ego. I say that with no hate or disdain.

    And his students, those that give him altitude, reflect these doctrines in their psychological profile.

    We are the cream of the cream.

    We are the only ones to save the earth.

    There has never been a clear before Scientology.

    There has never been a true OT before Scientology

    Mystics are implanted beings (in this one sentiment he denigrates all the wisemen and women in history)

    I am the only one to find and go through the Wall of Fire etc etc.

    Yes, I agree, the OT materials are metaphors for cognitive states. But that view was not shared by Ron. So in that sense you are a squirrel.

    I believe people now consider the space opera stuff a metaphor because there is a sort of embarrassment now to associate ourselves with the idea that we actually believe the psych, Farsec, Ron is Lucifer, Mars is an implant station, Venus is an implant station, we are infested to countless beings that may cause hundreds of thousand of dollars to run out.

    Ron believed every word in my opinion.

    Con men do not wish to electrocute themselves with an emeter and commit suicide to free oneself of BTs.

    Only an unstable man with mental problems, living a life of selfishness and ego, betraying friends and family and defrauding us with the promise of 100% standard tech, stable exterior with full perception, could arrive at his pitiable state of delusional paranoia and the end of life.

    Where ever you are Ron, God bless you and help you to work out what you need to work out.

    Marildi, I have no faith or confidence when anyone tries to prove a point with β€œRon says.” Ron said a lot. But what he said and who he was were not the same person.

    A true sages words mirror his or her actions perfectly. That is because sages are wedded uncompromisingly to truth. At any cost.”

  • Supper Powers
    • Baby

      I read that somewhere today Supper.. I don’t know if it was here..or Lush’s Blog..somewhere..thanks..

    • Juicer77

      TY. His lack of “confront” will not win him any respect in DM’s eyes. Having this become a public issue is enough of an embarrassment.